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<div> <font size="2">If you're using a clutch PP from XXX, and a custom racing disc from YYY, those are the "correct" parts.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">If you're using a complete off-the-shelf clutch kit, there should be absolutely no adjustment/shimming required.</font></div>
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PP is just a big bellville washer that compresses axially with
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<div><font size="2">In other words the shim required is usually pretty thin, it's almost a matter of fine-tuning a given combination, not to correct another problem...<br>
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<div>not at the desperation point yet, but getting there! Laundry list is getting longer instead of shorter!</div>
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<div class="yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I’m trying to think of a time when I was at this stage of putting the car back together and it HADN’T reached a “moment of desperation” :-)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">With my Spit, I raced a pretty heavy schedule. Running with both VSCDA and Midwestern Council, I could do 10-15 races a year back in the day. So I was
almost CONSTANTLY in thrash mode between April and November. Which might explain some of my more interesting mechanical failures.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:56 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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using small thin hardened washers. Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix. Anyone think that solution is a disaster in the making?</span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it still can be normal, but if
they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>
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<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear="none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right. </span></div>
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