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        <div>Mark Craig, I don't know who put a bee in your bonnet but your comments are out of place and unappreciated and I will not get in the gutter with you. I thank God that we live in a free country so you may say what you like, I just can't spend any time on it.</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I am at Sebring this weekend and have not had a chance to answer the WHY question and as a disclaimer my response is worth about as much as you paid for it, my hope is that its helps someone out.</div><div><br></div><div>With all 4cyl engines that have 1,3,4,2 firing order and share a common intake runner for 1,2 and 3,4 all have the same problem, there is an over lap with the two cylinders that are in sequence concerning the intake charge and one cylinder actually robs charge from the other, and that is why when installing dual Webers the EGT reading to evens out. I personally don't care for the EGT gauges and prefer a cheap ($150) Air Fuel Ratio gauge, it does the same thing as an EGT gauge with less drama, just one fitting in the collector and done, another good thing about an O2 gauge is they read instantly where the EGT gauge take some time and the best place for the most accurate reading is at the end of the longest straight. I can say that running a dual SU's set up or a single Weber anything leaner that 12.5-7 to 1 is in the danger zone. With dual Webers I wouldn't be afraid to see 13.5-7 to 1, as far as what a good reading is for a EGT gauge its been so long since I have used one I couldn't say. I do have some brand new ones I will put on my Dyno someday but, not today ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
        
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                    On Friday, March 1, 2019, 5:45:23 AM EST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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    <p>I've always been told that about 6" from the head is where the
      probes should be.  Closer to the head would be slightly hotter,
      further away colder - but like Mark says it's awfully dang hot and
      a few inches is unlikely to make much difference in that.  As far
      as coming from front or back, that really doesn't matter - make it
      convenient to remove / install the probes, you'll be doing it
      every rebuild at least.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony<br clear="none">
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    <div class="yiv7322646066yqt4761537591" id="yiv7322646066yqtfd50456"><div class="yiv7322646066moz-cite-prefix">On 2/28/2019 9:18 AM, John Styduhar via
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        <div class="yiv7322646066gmail_default" style="font-size:small;">The location
          of the EGT sensors on #1 and #4 puts it on the outside curve
          of the tubes.   Does it matter where I drill the hole on the
          bend?  I can approach it from the side or outside of the curve
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        <div class="yiv7322646066gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:46
          AM DPPI - Mark Craig <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com">info@dieselperformanceparts.com</a>>
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              <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Yeah
                  you always will, closest to the head outlet is best,
                  but you also got to be able to install it and service
                  it. 2 -2.5” away from the outlet is going to be fine.
                  Think about it at 6-7000 RPM is an extra inch going to
                  matter much in the overall temp?? That engine is
                  putting out a flame front constantly like a torch, it
                  won’t matter . Remember you always got some like Rick
                  Parent that think they are the end all do all for all
                  Triumph ot any other engine in the world.  Use 1 &
                  4 cylinders as it is a known leaner condition on them
                  for 40 years. You want to measure the leanest place
                  you can as you know the rest is safe as compared. 
                  Check a lot of the cars in the pits, I have never seen
                  one on #2 or #3, ever. </span></p>
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              <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);">I
                  am no magical expert, I am just a good observer of
                  others and that’s how I got to know what I know.
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              <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
                  John Styduhar [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>]
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                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:10 AM<br clear="none">
                  <b>To:</b> DPPI - Mark Craig <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com">info@dieselperformanceparts.com</a>><br clear="none">
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation</span></p>
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                  <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal">That distance you mentioned would
                    put the sensor about 6" from the exhaust valve.  I'm
                    getting some difference of opinion from the
                    membership regarding which cylinders to use.  </p>
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                  <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:07 PM
                    DPPI - Mark Craig <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com">info@dieselperformanceparts.com</a>>
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                      <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Use
                          #1 & #4 about 2.0-2.5” from the header
                          flange.
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                                <b><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:red;text-transform:uppercase;letter-spacing:1.2pt;">Mark
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                      <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> Fot [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Styduhar via Fot<br clear="none">
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:30
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                          <b>To:</b> Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear="none">
                          <b>Subject:</b> [Fot] EGT gauge installation</span></p>
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                          <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal">I need some tips on
                            installation of a dual probe EGT gauge on
                            the TR4 race engine with twin Strombergs-</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal">What two cylinder to use
                            for probes.</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7322646066MsoNormal">Optimum EG temperature
                            for tuning purposes.</p>
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