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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Ralph,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Are you talking about cleaning on assembly or with an engine in the car ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’ve heard of folks flushing the entire engine with kerosene and even mineral spirits but I’ve just never been 100% confident I would get all of the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>solvent out of the small oil passages and risk the possibility of contaminating the fresh oil.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m always open to learning something new though.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>jim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> 'fot' <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I always clean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, inside the block, head etc - everything gets a double or triple clean/soak - rattle things around if possible, small brushes etc - even oil coolers that are not badly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking when not quite full of debris - the thinner helps release the particles from walls and tubes when shaken, do them numerous times until drained thinner shows ZERO particles - have never had a repeat failure from any debris floating around - have only lost 1 engine from bearing failure (RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 from piston failure (1147), 1 from pin failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor gear (RX7) in roughly 28 years<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ralph<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydpecd0af86yahoo_quoted_4726026279"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:19:17 AM CST, Jim Gray via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I don’t flush the “ engine”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and oil lines as I can within reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Ask yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler and sump line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>with a normal oil change?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Say what you want but since I’ve started doing this my oil quality on the average has been better and I’ve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>had better engine life.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830yqt20566><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a> <<a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Gray <<a href="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents and other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now and then, but is it really possible to do anything better than that? I may very well be wrong, but so far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Marcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Van: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>"fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <<a href="mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, "fubog1" <<a href="mailto:fubog1@aol.com" target="_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>, "fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>, <a href="mailto:bownes@web9.com" target="_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>, "Rocky Entriken" <<a href="mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com" target="_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Brian,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the piston is bottomed.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and connect it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the pan while draining.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Then I’ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo oil in the charger,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I’ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is with new VR-1,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F fender for easy access.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hour. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those things are really pricey so for now I’ll just spend the hour on a change. On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it’s generated.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>jim</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> Brian Schirano <<a href="mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> fubog1 <<a href="mailto:fubog1@aol.com" target="_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; fubog1 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:bownes@web9.com" target="_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>; <a href="mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com" target="_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES GRAY <<a href="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" target="_blank">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flush the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and cleaned it, but a flush?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell <br><a href="mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com" target="_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayahoo_quoted_4287730593"><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987><div><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oils about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality. After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as a result of the extra work.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race cars.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cutter.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to see any trash very clearly in the folds.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg fram...</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Glen</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: robert bownes <<a href="mailto:bownes@web9.com" target="_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>> <br>To: Rocky Entriken <<a href="mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com" target="_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br>Cc: britcars <<a href="mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a href="mailto:fubog1@aol.com" target="_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; vfracing <<a href="mailto:vfracing@aol.com" target="_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226yqt31919><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make the filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. And what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goes back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that’s just before the engine inlet – what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going the other way.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I’m concerned I’ll flush out the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), but buy a new cooler.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>--Rocky</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='background:whitesmoke;background-size: auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> barry rosenberg via Fot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='background:whitesmoke;background-size: auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Sent:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='background:whitesmoke;background-size: auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>To:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> fubog1 ; Phil Gott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='background:whitesmoke;background-size: auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Cc:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='background:whitesmoke;background-size: auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Subject:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon standing a while. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br>On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash getting in the engine.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Glen</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>To: FOT < <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am <br>Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Listerati, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there’s a reason) most run their lines. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Bud <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a> 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