<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Class dismissed!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 4:48 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><div><br></div><div>That's very right, Bill. Torque is only a force (force times distance to the shaft centre). A cyclist is exerting a greater torque on the pedals than many a car engine has, yet his torque is barely sufficient to reach 60km/hour with his bicycle Why? Because his power is so low :his torque times an rpm of only some 100rpm is only 1 or 2 hp.</div><div>At one time, Volkswagen had a Polo diesel turbo and a Polo on gasoline : both engines had 75 hp, the diesel engine had much more torque : accelerating to 100km/u took exactly the same time though. The confusion is about the character of an engine : the same engine, for instance the TR 4 cyl engine, can be tuned (by means of the camshaft in the first place) to be peaky : a small powerband at higher revs, or it can be tuned to be more torquey : a bit more torque, but at lower rev's. It is power that counts : torque times revs, but not only the revs at maximum power or max torque, but the power integrated over the rev band you are using at the track. A torquey engine (broad powerband, at lower revs) with the same maximum power as a peaky engine (smaller power band at higher revs) can be a little faster on the track, and it will be easier to drive. But, i.e., a peaky TR engine with 180 hp peak power will always outperform a torquey TR engine with say 160 hp. And, given enough gears, and the driver isn't lazy, a peaky engine and a torquey one, both with the same peak power will deliver about the same laptimes. The gasoline Polo with low torque, was as fast as the turbodiese polo because the gearbox ratio's for both engines were carefully chosen to suit their characters.</div><div>Marcel.</div><div><br></div><hr id="m_-3610000027174034010zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Aan: </b>"gasket works" <<a href="mailto:gasket.works@gte.net" target="_blank">gasket.works@gte.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 3 september 2018 05:46:09<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question<br></div><br><div>It always puzzles me when people say that. Horsepower is torque times RPM (and a conversion factor). Torque is horsepower/RPM. So how can one count more than the other? <br><div><br><blockquote><div>On Sep 2, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3610000027174034010Apple-interchange-newline"><div>Its the torque that counts. So, I suspect the motor enhancements took the benefit of the tractor stroke. If the motor is able to produce that power at 6k rpm with shift at 6500. <div>I shift at @ 6200 - my motor produces max power @5800 on the dyno. I use a kastner designed cam for which I have the masters. </div><div><br></div><div> <br><div><br><div id="m_-3610000027174034010__aol_mail_signature__">MDunst
<a href="http://headgasket.com/" target="_blank">Headgasket.com</a>
<a href="tel:626.358.1616" target="_blank">626.358.1616</a> <div>Fax <a href="tel:626.628.3777" target="_blank">626.628.3777</a> </div><div>Triple R Munitions, Inc
<a href="tel:626.201.9471" target="_blank">626.201.9471</a> </div><div>T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2</div></div>
<br><div class="m_-3610000027174034010aolmail_replyHeader">
On Sunday, September 2, 2018, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div><br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 9px;padding:0 0 0 9px">
<div id="m_-3610000027174034010AOLMsgPart_1.2_6f74e8be-4e7c-4103-89ed-2529f44cfade">
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">What kind of modifications were done to the engine to extract over 200 HP from a tractor engine? Nitrous shot.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:05 PM Thomas Boyd <<a href="mailto:tom@trenterprises.com" target="_blank">tom@trenterprises.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>All of our FIA race cars are running legal 87mm engines.</div><div id="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493AppleMailSignature">Just rolling roaded the latest SLR build at well north of 200bhp<br><br>Thomas Boyd<div>Director</div><div>TR Enterprises</div><div><a href="tel:01623%20793807;302" target="_blank">01623 793807 (ext 302)</a></div><div><a href="http://www.trenterprises.com/" target="_blank">www.trenterprises.com</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On 1 Sep 2018, at 17:02, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">If you really had serious compliance with most group's rules, I would guess half the TR cars would not pass muster. Let's have fun together. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Indeed there are Glen.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">
Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010begin_alto_quote"></div>From:</b> Fot <<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of fubog1 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkramer56@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question</span>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div><span size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt">
<div id="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104AOLMsgPart_2_9833cc70-880c-4ad8-a3c6-7dd354e849c9"><span size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px">everybody else seems to be using 89.<br>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div><span size="2" style="font-size:small">HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a few guys running them (and winning)...<br>
</span></div>
<div><span size="2" style="font-size:small">Glen <br>
</span></div>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bob Kramer via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
To: van.mulders.marcel <<a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target="_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>><br>
Cc: fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question<br>
<br>
<div id="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104AOLMsgPart_1.2_a86129b9-5eb9-4e6e-bc70-68cf0b670447">
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolReplacedBody">
<div dir="ltr">I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody else seems to be using 89. The procedures are the same so It'll be the same. I blew a head gasket last time out, compression into the cooling system and blew off the bottom hose. I guess it
wasn't tight enough, and scuffed two pistons before I could shut it down. </div>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM, <span dir="ltr">
<<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target="_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div>Bob,</div>
<div>It is definitely necessary to make that modification to the liners. The relieve should correspond to the shape of the combustion chambers : about 4 mm wide on a 89mm engine.</div>
<div>Marcel</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<hr id="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_m_-391070137228553199zwchr">
<div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Verzonden: </b>Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43<br>
<b>Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] 89MM piston question<br>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and liners need to relieve the liners to clear the intake valve, or does the extra MM make the difference?<br>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_m_-391070137228553199gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="m_-3610000027174034010m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_gmail_quote">On Tue, </div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030802934667&sdata=SWmGSEgBI0WTR%2FLPy2xyAyLox06XFrLP1uOUEEjJQsI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
<br>
Donate: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030802934667&sdata=bwtZvpeCDT54Mf386NikjfQm6iL6gSbojCj6LMprugk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=bGtgg6p9%2FupNqhAQlkI%2FB0nJPSDj7dg31xvI0AOXMUY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fvan.mulders.marcel%40telenet.be&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=bBrUpAuO7h8B4XMaxfIeBhXngIWPYAeehbhSW6PQcB0%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=E7BslARTM9N9eIGRlESX76OWzXi5EtbuunX103bteG8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
<br>
Donate: <a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=MN6FZr9p7o90tMhq9SE93ZuzKDpC3jNDQB7eljZkWag%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=bGtgg6p9%2FupNqhAQlkI%2FB0nJPSDj7dg31xvI0AOXMUY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ffubog1%40aol.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfb7e0a419784422ba65f08d610099d2f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636714030803090929&sdata=9RxAJTlSbhfi1GxRVXAaBQKql1fIj3Xe8Te5AUXq%2Fzc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
<br>
Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br><span>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a></span><br><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tom@trenterprises.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tom@trenterprises.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill@ponostyle.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill@ponostyle.com</a><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
<br>
Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>