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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My engine has sloppy 154 lbs ft at 3500 and a peak 165 lbs ft at 5500.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Peak power at 6100 – 178 hp.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bore 88mm, stroke standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cast iron head, with standard diameter valves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bill via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 3. September 2018 06:01<br><b>An:</b> Mordy Dunst <gasket.works@gte.net><br><b>Cc:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I do have an engine that produces 186HP per liter—the one in my 750 MV Agusta Senna. 140 horsepower at 12600 RPM. I promise you that every one of those ponies counts. 60 lb-ft of torque at 10500 RPM. Scares the crap out of me. I’d buy that a TR motor could produce 200+ HP if it revved to 10K. Failing that, not so much. Certainly not with a two valve, non-crossflow head with cross sections that looks like the casting was molded with plumbing parts. 200HP at 6000 rpm is 175 ft-lbs of torque. I think the most recent engine build for Peyote by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing was about 140 ft-lbs peak, and it’s 89mm with all the goodies. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 2, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Bill <<a href="mailto:bill@ponostyle.com">bill@ponostyle.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It always puzzles me when people say that. Horsepower is torque times RPM (and a conversion factor). Torque is horsepower/RPM. So how can one count more than the other? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 2, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Its the torque that counts. So, I suspect the motor enhancements took the benefit of the tractor stroke. If the motor is able to produce that power at 6k rpm with shift at 6500. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I shift at @ 6200 - my motor produces max power @5800 on the dyno. I use a kastner designed cam for which I have the masters. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id="__aol_mail_signature__"><p class=MsoNormal>MDunst <a href="http://headgasket.com/">Headgasket.com</a> <a href="tel:626.358.1616">626.358.1616</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Fax <a href="tel:626.628.3777">626.628.3777</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Triple R Munitions, Inc <a href="tel:626.201.9471">626.201.9471</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>T FFL 6,7 SOT 2<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sunday, September 2, 2018, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-left:6.75pt;margin-right:0cm'><div id="AOLMsgPart_1.2_6f74e8be-4e7c-4103-89ed-2529f44cfade"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What kind of modifications were done to the engine to extract over 200 HP from a tractor engine? Nitrous shot.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:05 PM Thomas Boyd <<a href="mailto:tom@trenterprises.com" target="_blank">tom@trenterprises.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All of our FIA race cars are running legal 87mm engines.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_8321584711312764493AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Just rolling roaded the latest SLR build at well north of 200bhp<br><br>Thomas Boyd<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Director<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>TR Enterprises<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:01623%20793807;302">01623 793807 (ext 302)</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.trenterprises.com/" target="_blank">www.trenterprises.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 1 Sep 2018, at 17:02, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If you really had serious compliance with most group's rules, I would guess half the TR cars would not pass muster. Let's have fun together. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Indeed there are Glen.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot <<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of fubog1 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkramer56@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div id="m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104AOLMsgPart_2_9833cc70-880c-4ad8-a3c6-7dd354e849c9"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>everybody else seems to be using 89.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a few guys running them (and winning)...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Glen <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Bob Kramer via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>To: van.mulders.marcel <<a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target="_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>><br>Cc: fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104AOLMsgPart_1.2_a86129b9-5eb9-4e6e-bc70-68cf0b670447"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody else seems to be using 89. The procedures are the same so It'll be the same. I blew a head gasket last time out, compression into the cooling system and blew off the bottom hose. I guess it wasn't tight enough, and scuffed two pistons before I could shut it down. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob Kramer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM, <<a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target="_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>It is definitely necessary to make that modification to the liners. The relieve should correspond to the shape of the combustion chambers : about 4 mm wide on a 89mm engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Marcel<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id="m_8321584711312764493m_8355303263618601104aolmail_m_-391070137228553199zwchr"></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Van: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>"fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] 89MM piston question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and liners need to relieve the liners to clear the intake valve, or does the extra MM make the difference?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Bob Kramer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Tue, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p 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