<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
<div> <font size="2">In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, there are some downsides to the O/D.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many junk TRs just for the overdrives.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you have to mod it to suit.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the mainshaft is different.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is normal these days, quality is always a big concern.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to be properly rebuilt, by the book.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of mechanical finesse.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big piston" A-type works well.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin).<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Glen<br>
</font></div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Larry Young via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6<br>
<br>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_1.2_d6df0125-c4e5-4c26-884e-b81f2758b4d0">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="aolReplacedBody">
Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison
a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also.
The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how
much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are
getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does
(or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need
to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a
couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are
relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo
J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a
Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey
deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000
regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you
can probably get by for half that.<br>
<br>
I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5
years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago
and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck
behind an RV going up a mountain pass.<br>
<br>
Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think
you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go.
It really boils down to what you prefer.<br>
- Larry<br>
<br>
<div class="aolmail_moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via
Fot wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="about:blank">
<div>I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also
from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great,
shifts smoothly, and (so far!) reliable.</div>
<div>Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare
transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a
wrecking yard looked them up yesterday: around $550. No, they
are not for sale!</div>
<div>I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone
is interested, I could look it up.</div>
<div>Cheers, Bill<br>
</div>
<br>
<div class="aolmail_moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young
via Fot wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="about:blank">
I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears,
easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive -
What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely.<br>
- Larry<br>
<br>
<div class="aolmail_moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin
nicholson via Fot wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="about:blank">
Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still
available since Herman’s passing?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dusty <br>
<br>
<div id="aolmail_AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px">
<div id="aolmail_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531450952573_4207">My wife
is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've
owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did
I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best
conversion?</div>
<div id="aolmail_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531450952573_4268"><br>
</div>
<div id="aolmail_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531450952573_4269">Bobby
Whitehead</div>
<div>Jester's Racing<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
<span><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Donate: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br>
<span>Archive: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a></span><br>
<span>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin@yahoo.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin@yahoo.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span></span><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="aolmail_mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a>
Donate: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a>
Archive: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<fieldset class="aolmail_mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a>
Donate: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a>
Archive: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<fieldset class="aolmail_mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a>
Donate: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a>
Archive: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a class="aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
<br>
Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</font>