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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">I have been watching this and am curious why do you’ll have so much pressure in the cooling system that it blows freeze plugs out. I have run Shelby’s, Mustangs
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I routinely strap that rear plug or lock it in with a 10/32 and a flat washer folded in on either side.<br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the remaining laps so figured
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed
a bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over kill, but Won’t be popping again. </span></p>
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On May 2, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the
head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested.
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PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>I just need to knock a new one in.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>I’m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ½ or even ¾” round</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>bar about 2’ long which I can scrounge at work.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>I’ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp58b51605yiv8104589017MsoNormal"><span>On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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