<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Halon 1211 (it’s a liquified gas) can cause cardiac arrhythmia but a concentrated dose of long duration is required. It does displace oxygen but that’s not its main method of fire suppression, as with CO2:<div class=""><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073567579690087X" class="">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073567579690087X</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m using Cold Fire foam (I bought the entire setup from Jegs), which is similar to AFFF. Its down side is that everything gets slippery but the big upside is that if you end up directly over a pool of fuel it will smother it and suppress the vapors whether it’s on fire or not. I want the longest possible period to extricate myself (assuming I can get out on my own).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.coldfire.biz" class="">http://www.coldfire.biz</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I didn’t want to use dry chemical (harder to clean up and it will corrode aluminum) or Halon or its replacement, Halotron, because although it excels at putting out a fire, it works best in an enclosed area and once the wind blows away the agent it can’t stop a reignition.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Duncan<br class=""><div>(retired firefighter)</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 19, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">Rocky, a couple things:</font></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">Isn't Haylon pretty noxious?</font></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">I use an AFFF system. Last year I got some solid info from Pegasus about useful life of the system. They told me it was recommended to replace the bottle's mixture every three years. You can do it yourself for about $60. Cheap insurance.</font></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">A friend set off his AFFF system by accident; said there was foam everywhere!</font></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">Cheers, Bill</font></div><blockquote style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class="">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="fot@autox.team.net" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">Rocky Entriken via Fot</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ofracer@gmail.com" href="mailto:ofracer@gmail.com" class="">Mike Harmuth</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="fot@autox.team.net" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">FoTTriumph</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:18 PM</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Mounting position for Haylon</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="">Mine is horizontal. Seemed to fit well in the footwell of my Spitfire.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">But yow! Been in there since 2005? While it’s out of the car, you should really have it checked and refilled. The powder in the bottle can cake over time and even if the gauge shows green, you pull the handle and nothin’ happens. Find any fire and emergency equipment supplier in your yellow pages and take the bottle to them. They’ll check it out, reload it, hang a new tag on it. It’s something that should be done every couple of years or so – ask them how often when you take it in, but I guarantee 13 years is too long!</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">They can probably give you the best answer as far as mounting it too, as long as you’re in their neighborhood.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">--Rocky Entriken</div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: tahoma;" class=""><div class=""><font size="3" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="fot@autox.team.net" class="">Mike Harmuth via Fot</a></div><div class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:26 PM</div><div class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="fot@autox.team.net" class="">FoTTriumph</a></div><div class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Fot] Mounting position for Haylon</div></div></div><div class=""> </div></div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">I just pulled the Haylon, plumbed in fire extinguisher, along with all the other stuff bolted to the floor in my Spitfire to do some touch up painting. It's been in the car since I bought it in 2005 and is still good (unscrewed the bottle and checked the cable pull as well). My question is, how should it be mounted? It's currently horizontal, which makes me think it's going to discharge liquid if I ever have to use it. Should it be mounted vertically or it it designed to dump liquid out which will then vaporize and push out the air, strangulating the fire?<br class=""><br class=""></div>Google is no help, all I get are ads for green replacement type systems.<br class=""><br class=""></div>thanks<br class=""></div>mike h<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" class="">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" class="">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br class="">Forums:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" class="">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" class="">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" class="">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br class="">Forums:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" class="">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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