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<p class="MsoNormal">I totally agree with Glen and Tony here. The skinny, hard Dunlops would be great if it were the spec tire for all production classes.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sadly, the technological genie is out of the bottle, and once that happens, putting him (or her) back in that bottle is essentially impossible.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Terry Stetler.</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 11, 2018 3:57:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?</font>
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<p>Some of the most fun I've had driving was on skinny Dunlops. Major drift, big slip angles, what a hoot. If we could get everyone to run that kind of thing it would be neat. I don't think that's possible in the context of running within mixed marque groups
though.</p>
<p>I do think that tire technology is why we need Southwick rear axles to begin with.<br>
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<p>Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2018 10:51 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:<br>
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="black">H<font size="2">enry you not only get it, but also touch on one of the main issues.<br>
Yes tire technology has allowed these cars to go a lot faster than was ever intended.<br>
They get faster and more stuff breaks; fix one thing and then the next weak-link fails.<br>
At what point does it end?<br>
Rack & pinion steering, tubular adjustable front suspension, light brake calipers, non-triumph gearboxes, wide rims, big-bore engines, the latest greatest big-$$ rubber, etc, etc, etc; some folks are willing and can afford to take it to the limit, some aren't/cant
afford it, especially with trying to stay within some set of rules.<br>
That's why tires are really the biggest equalizer, as difficult as it may be to control nowadays; we really need to level the field.<br>
The other point is that we have to remember that we're VINTAGE racing these cars, not doing ongoing development programs for GT cars...<br>
FWIW<br>
Safety FasTR!<br>
Glen<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: yellow04 via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">
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To: fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><fot@autox.team.net></a><br>
Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2018 11:02 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?<br>
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As the person who innocently started this thread on the subject of the <br>
readily available reproduction steel 16P calipers, a part I can't <br>
construe how anybody could call a cheater part, I'll add my two cents...<br>
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Tire technology moved Vintage Racing to a place that we can't go back <br>
from. Like it or not, in order to keep us safe at the speeds these new <br>
tires allow us to go, you need to get with the program or take your <br>
chances. Even the venerable Hoosier Vintage TD bias ply tire can be <br>
really fast in the right hands and we have proof many cars lost wheels <br>
running Vintage TD's. Safety enhancements were needed, and the gray area <br>
between whats a safety enhancement and a speed enhancement will always <br>
be the heart of the debate.<br>
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As I am now taking care of Old Blue, Bill Dentinger's TR3, a car that <br>
has been considered the most vintage correct TR3 running in the States, <br>
this is an issue I have personally been grappling with. It became <br>
crystal clear to me that to be comfortable running the car at any level, <br>
there were some things they did "back in the day" that just don't cut it <br>
any more. Updating some bits to make sure all the wheels stay on the car <br>
is just common sense. Taking it beyond that, there lies the conundrum... <br>
For what it's worth, under my watch Old Blue will run worm and peg <br>
steering, 87mm bore, a Triumph gearbox, and as many of Bill's original <br>
Triumph Competition Dept. bits as I can. Good fun.<br>
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Henry<br>
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On 2018-03-10 02:18, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:<br>
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> Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual "what is vintage"<br>
> debate - seems late in the season for it this time...<br>
> <br>
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