<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">What you can’t do well, at least I can’t, is go back and forth between tire types. As you know, Tony, Peyote is an odd car to drive. You drove it well, which meant you let it rip. It doesn’t respond to anything else. It’s a blast on hard Dunlops, but the tail out, front tires skittering style means driving anywhere close to the edge on Dunlops results in fairly frequent moments when the scenery is going the wrong way. Spend a few events on Speedsters that give a warning that things are going away, and let you catch it most times when it does, and when you switch back those backwards occasions come a lot more frequently. I spun four times in one lap at Laguna Seca and enjoyed a long talk at the black flag station explaining that I hadn’t forgotten how to drive, just needed a refresher on doing it with roller skate wheels. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Certainly I could just stick with them, or buy some that aren’t ten years old with blued rubber at the edges, but it’s not that much fun to watch people you normally lap run away from you in a corner because the organizers permit rubber that works. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the really unpleasant result of permitting better tires and the “safety” modifications they demand is that people who own the great race cars don’t race them. Who wants their Testarossa to get it’s pontoons blown off by a ratmobile like Peyote. There’s no way they’re going to make the modifications that would make them competitive. Every tech inspector worth their salt knows what those cars were built with. and futzing around with them threatens their megabuck value. So yup, that’s a shame, those cars were what drew me to vintage racing to begin with, but they’re gone and they ain’t coming back. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Tony Drews via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class="">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Some of the most fun I've had driving was on skinny Dunlops.
Major drift, big slip angles, what a hoot. If we could get
everyone to run that kind of thing it would be neat. I don't
think that's possible in the context of running within mixed
marque groups though.</p><p class="">I do think that tire technology is why we need Southwick rear
axles to begin with.<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2018 10:51 AM, fubog1 via Fot
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:16215c2818f-c8c-65ec@webjas-vaa044.srv.aolmail.net" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" class="">H<font size="2" class="">enry you not only get it, but also touch on one of
the main issues.<br class="">
Yes tire technology has allowed these cars to go a lot faster
than was ever intended.<br class="">
They get faster and more stuff breaks; fix one thing and then
the next weak-link fails.<br class="">
At what point does it end?<br class="">
Rack & pinion steering, tubular adjustable front
suspension, light brake calipers, non-triumph gearboxes, wide
rims, big-bore engines, the latest greatest big-$$ rubber,
etc, etc, etc; some folks are willing and can afford to take
it to the limit, some aren't/cant afford it, especially with
trying to stay within some set of rules.<br class="">
That's why tires are really the biggest equalizer, as
difficult as it may be to control nowadays; we really need to
level the field.<br class="">
The other point is that we have to remember that we're VINTAGE
racing these cars, not doing ongoing development programs for
GT cars...<br class="">
FWIW<br class="">
Safety FasTR!<br class="">
Glen<br class="">
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From: yellow04 via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><fot@autox.team.net></a><br class="">
To: fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><fot@autox.team.net></a><br class="">
Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2018 11:02 am<br class="">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?<br class="">
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As the person who innocently started this thread on the
subject of the <br class="">
readily available reproduction steel 16P calipers, a part I
can't <br class="">
construe how anybody could call a cheater part, I'll add my
two cents...<br class="">
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Tire technology moved Vintage Racing to a place that we can't
go back <br class="">
from. Like it or not, in order to keep us safe at the speeds
these new <br class="">
tires allow us to go, you need to get with the program or take
your <br class="">
chances. Even the venerable Hoosier Vintage TD bias ply tire
can be <br class="">
really fast in the right hands and we have proof many cars
lost wheels <br class="">
running Vintage TD's. Safety enhancements were needed, and the
gray area <br class="">
between whats a safety enhancement and a speed enhancement
will always <br class="">
be the heart of the debate.<br class="">
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As I am now taking care of Old Blue, Bill Dentinger's TR3, a
car that <br class="">
has been considered the most vintage correct TR3 running in
the States, <br class="">
this is an issue I have personally been grappling with. It
became <br class="">
crystal clear to me that to be comfortable running the car at
any level, <br class="">
there were some things they did "back in the day" that just
don't cut it <br class="">
any more. Updating some bits to make sure all the wheels stay
on the car <br class="">
is just common sense. Taking it beyond that, there lies the
conundrum... <br class="">
For what it's worth, under my watch Old Blue will run worm and
peg <br class="">
steering, 87mm bore, a Triumph gearbox, and as many of Bill's
original <br class="">
Triumph Competition Dept. bits as I can. Good fun.<br class="">
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Henry<br class="">
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On 2018-03-10 02:18, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:<br class="">
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> Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual
"what is vintage"<br class="">
> debate - seems late in the season for it this time...<br class="">
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