<div dir="ltr">There are times when you wish you had just shut up and let the thread pass you by. I have just had one of those times. It was not my intent to cast any aspersions but just to tell how it was back when. It was a different world. If you wanted to make a phone call you needed a nickle but a phone box was on every corner and gasoline was 28 cents a gallon and it was 100 octane. So maybe I should have commented on that instead. <div><br></div><div>Certainly if you adhere to the old rules the field would seen be down to three or four cars and they might not make it to the end of a race. I have no complaint about the present manner of preparation or driving either. Have a good time and use what ever is needed to get to the end. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><p><strong><font color="#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Bill, I've really tried, but I can't help but respond to being
called out in this one. I know you said it doesn't matter to you,
lets just race - and that's my feeling too.</p>
<p>Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual "what is
vintage" debate - seems late in the season for it this time...<br>
</p>
<p>But... For the record, it's a Ford 8" rear end, not a 9".
Remember when we used to break axles and roll our cars? I do,
very vividly. The memory of the pavement whizzing by my left ear
as I was sliding on the drivers door before the car started to
barrel roll is indelibly printed in my memory. Before the
"southwick" axle conversion (which uses Ford 8" rear axle axles by
the way), the fix for this was to put a Ford 8" or a Dana rear
axle in the car instead of the stock unit. It was a SAFETY
change, not a performance improvement. That's what the prior
owner did to my car - put in a Ford 8" so it wouldn't roll. It
weighs more than a Triumph axle, and has roughly the same ratios
available as a Triumph unit. To switch to a Triumph axle would
cost enough I'd need to take at least half a season off of racing,
probably a full season. Afterwards, my car would be FASTER
because it would weigh LESS. Is the Ford axle legal? Probably
not, now that the Southwick conversion is accepted by every
vintage organization in the US for safety reasons. Is it worth
taking a year off of racing to put the "correct" part there? I
say - no, lets race instead.</p>
<p>A strict reading of the axle housing must be stock rule would
also prohibit the Southwick conversion and we're back to the cars
destroying themselves. That seems counterproductive to me, but
I'm not a purist. :)</p>
<p>Billet cranks? Carillo rods? I don't think the '62 GCR allowed
those. Certainly not allowed when we ran SCCA in the early 70's.
Many of us run those now because the stock stuff breaks and saws
your engine in half. However, THOSE DO provide a possible
performance advantage over a strict reading of the rules because
we can run higher RPM's semi-reliably. Good stock stuff is hard
to come by and we do what we have to in order to keep our awesome
VINTAGE Triumph's on the track - I figure that's most of our
justification for those parts.</p>
<p>Uncle jack's car (Dad) was extremely legal, and when we raced
each other our cars were virtually identical in performance. So
if I'm cheating to be faster I must be doing a bad job of it.<br>
</p>
<p>To me, parts substitution that keeps our cars running is in a
very gray area that some consider "cheating" and others consider
"just keeping it running". The trans replacement falls under that
category. I'm aware of one vintage organization that's taken a
hard line on transmissions - Bill, yours would be illegal there.
And as a result guys running GT-6's are pretty much screwed. I
don't know why the organization would rather see a competitor
replace a tranny every race weekend rather than have them out on
the track competing.</p>
<p>I'm just glad that I get to do this as often as I can afford, and
get to hang with a bunch of really neat people.</p>
<p>I could write another book on front brakes (the original topic),
one on various engine parts, carburetors, transmissions. I
already wrote the one on axles (above). <br>
</p>
<p>I'd rather folks not be terribly nit-picky about this stuff and
just appreciate the fact that we can muster up enough Triumphs at
an event that the organizers WANT us there and will give us a race
to ourselves.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_6613154434644967780moz-cite-prefix">On 3/9/2018 8:06 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot
wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Bill, if all the cheaters in
vintage were black flagged, half the field wouldn't finish!
Cheaters is a harsh word; non-compliant sounds better.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I know of guys with mid-50's
Corvettes, and one T Bird, who run big disc brakes, not the
original drums. One of whom runs a vintage organization!!!!!!</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Also, I like Tony but a 9 inch
Ford diff in a TR4? All vintage rules say the diff housing has
to be stock.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I also like Sam, who's given me a
lot of advice over the years, but is his car truely vintage
legal? Frankly, I don't care.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">This will probably get me
blackballed, but....</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I also don't give a hoot what you
run or how legal it is or isn't. Just go out and have fun.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've gotten 1 (one) medal in 11
years of vintage racing; not a very successful effort, you
might say. (so would I!). But I've had an 'effen blast! And
met a bunch of great people. And did what I set out to do.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">OK, I wrote this last night and
thought I'd sleep on it. After reading the comment about
Formula Libra, I guess other people feel as I do.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Were all the cars running today
raced "back in the day" or were they built to go vintage
racing today?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Ever see a tech inspector crawl
under your car and check to see if the drain plugs were safety
wired? Or check brakes or diffs? </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Full disclosure: I run a Celica 5
speed, legal according to the rules. Hitachi carbs (the Japs
took SU's and improved them).</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I don't like cheaters. I help
with the Erie Marathon where 43% or our finishers qualified
for the Boston Marathon, the goal of every good runner. The
last couple years we ferreted out 3 cheaters. They will never,
ever be allowed into the Boston Marathon. That's why I like
running, kind of a pure sport where technology doesn't help
you much.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">OK, end of rant.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hang loose. (I'm reading Brian
Wilson's book, so I thought a surfing term would be ok!)</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Bill</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fot@autox.team.net" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Bill
Dentinger via Fot</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="johnstydo@gmail.com" href="mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com" target="_blank">John
Styduhar</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="fot@autox.team.net" href="mailto:fot@autox.%20team.%20net" target="_blank">fot@autox. team. net</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 08,
2018 9:59 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Has
anybody ran these new brake calipers?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I would take
a note of tire cheaters on the False Grid, and then bring em in
with a Meat Ball Flag after one lap in the Feature Race.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Dentinger</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PS Three sets of tires needed. One for qualifying...one
for the feature race...and a special set for Tech. That latter
set can be experienced, but must have a minimum tread depth.</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div id="m_6613154434644967780AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">The
only item that SVRA regularly checks is tires from my
experience. And they do that at each gridding.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:49 PM,
Paul Ricco via Fot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div style="WORD-WRAP:break-word">We have not had
issues with stock calipers. We run Hawk or
Carbotech brake pads and good brake fluid. We do
bleed the brakes regularly and all seems to be
working good.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would be nice to get the benefit of less
unsprung weight on the front suspension by
switching to aluminum. However, I do not know
of any vintage organization that really allows
it by their rules. We all know that that do not
get enforced on a regular basis. However, I do
think SVRA has made a great effort to get people
to use a stock type caliper at their events. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<div>On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM,
Chris Marx via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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</div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span lang="EN-US">I’m still using
the original brakes the car
came with.</span></div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve put in some
nice brake pads and that is
working well for me.</span></div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers</span></div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span lang="EN-US">Chris</span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><b>Von:</b><span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot <<a style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>I<wbr>m
Auftrag von<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>DAVE
HOGYE via Fot<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag,
8. März 2018 17:28<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott
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[Fot] Has anybody ran these
new brake calipers?</div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51);FONT-SIZE:12pt">Good call, Scott. The
Wilwood calipers are aluminum,
but otherwise look very
similar to the the P or PB
calipers.</span></div>
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<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51);FONT-SIZE:12pt">DH</span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">On March 8,
2018 at 8:21 AM Scott Janzen
<<a style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
good to check your club
rules first though, if
enforced. VRG says you need
to use the original
equipment, and SVRA says <br>
<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:white;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:9pt">Alternate
calipers or wheel
cylinders must be of the
same material, design and
number of pistons as the
original component. There
must be no increase in the
frictional surface of the
pads or shoes.</span> </div>
<div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </div>
<div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">On Mar
8, 2018, at 11:09 AM,
DAVE HOGYE via Fot <<a style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">The
quality of the new
calipers is somewhat
suspect, but seem to
work as needed.<br>
The first pair that I
bought from BPNW had a
yellow (anodized ?)
finish with numbers in
the castings. The
second pair from BPNW
4 years later have a
silver finish and no
numbers in the casting
which made me wonder
about the quality. <br>
My first set has been
on my car from 2013.
13 race weekends a
total of 3,800 miles.<br>
Wilwood makes
beautiful replacements
now. They are
anodized black. I far
as I can tell, they
will fit our Triumphs,
but haven't made a
complete comparison.
Of course the price is
higher, but more
equivalent to the
importance of good
brakes.<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
DH<br>
<br>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">On
March 8, 2018 at
2:54 AM Henry Frye
via Fot <<a style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
I have seen these
available for a
while now, but fear
they are made<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
somewhere we don't
want to know from
materials I don't
want to think<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
about. I'm not brave
enough to put one of
these on a street
car, let<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
alone my race car.<br>
<br>
Has anybody tried
these calipers yet?
Any feedback???<br>
<br>
As long as good
cores are available
for 16P's, I'm
rebuilding OEM<span class="m_6613154434644967780m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
calipers.<br>
<br>
Henry<br>
<br>
On 2018-03-07 23:24,
DAVE HOGYE via Fot
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote style="MARGIN-TOP:5pt;MARGIN-BOTTOM:5pt" type="cite">
<div style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><br>
BTW, the PB
calipers are
available new for
around $100 each
new.<br>
That's pretty
inexpensive for
such an important
part. I purchased<br>
another set when I
thought I might be
having a problem,
but ended up<br>
just changing
pads. I'm glad to
have a new pair
standing by. Then
I<br>
can rebuild at my
leisure.</div>
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