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<p>To be clear, I didn't take offense at Bill Tobin's comment and
subsequent discussion. I'm a big boy and can take some ribbing.
But, the subject has come up enough times with some insinuation of
"illegality" that I wanted to make clear that to ME, it's not
cheating to run a Ford 8" rear axle. It's self preservation. If
someone thinks it's cheating / illegal, they are entitled to their
opinion and I'm unlikely to change their mind.<br>
</p>
<p>I did replace the fiberglass parts that came on my race car with
steel parts because running the fiberglass felt like cheating to
me. But I don't give the fellow competitors with fiberglass or
carbon fiber parts grief - I'm just happy they are at the track.</p>
<p>You can pick virtually any part of the car (remember front
brakes?) and have the "oh my god, that's ILLEGAL" discussion. Not
everyone will agree with you. That's fine - if everyone agreed
with me, the world would be a twisted place. Maybe a better
place, but I'm not going to bank on that.</p>
<p>Personally, I find it more interesting to discuss what works and
what doesn't on our cars.</p>
<p>I hope everyone has a great racing season and I hope to have the
opportunity to race you hard but clean.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2018 10:58 AM, Kas Kastner
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There are times when you wish you had just shut up
and let the thread pass you by. I have just had one of those
times. It was not my intent to cast any aspersions but just to
tell how it was back when. It was a different world. If you
wanted to make a phone call you needed a nickle but a phone box
was on every corner and gasoline was 28 cents a gallon and it
was 100 octane. So maybe I should have commented on that
instead.
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</div>
<div>Certainly if you adhere to the old rules the field would
seen be down to three or four cars and they might not make it
to the end of a race. I have no complaint about the present
manner of preparation or driving either. Have a good time and
use what ever is needed to get to the end. </div>
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<p><strong><font color="#000099">Never be beaten by
equipment.</font></strong></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Tony
Drews via Fot <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p>Bill, I've really tried, but I can't help but respond
to being called out in this one. I know you said it
doesn't matter to you, lets just race - and that's my
feeling too.</p>
<p>Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual
"what is vintage" debate - seems late in the season for
it this time...<br>
</p>
<p>But... For the record, it's a Ford 8" rear end, not a
9". Remember when we used to break axles and roll our
cars? I do, very vividly. The memory of the pavement
whizzing by my left ear as I was sliding on the drivers
door before the car started to barrel roll is indelibly
printed in my memory. Before the "southwick" axle
conversion (which uses Ford 8" rear axle axles by the
way), the fix for this was to put a Ford 8" or a Dana
rear axle in the car instead of the stock unit. It was
a SAFETY change, not a performance improvement. That's
what the prior owner did to my car - put in a Ford 8" so
it wouldn't roll. It weighs more than a Triumph axle,
and has roughly the same ratios available as a Triumph
unit. To switch to a Triumph axle would cost enough I'd
need to take at least half a season off of racing,
probably a full season. Afterwards, my car would be
FASTER because it would weigh LESS. Is the Ford axle
legal? Probably not, now that the Southwick conversion
is accepted by every vintage organization in the US for
safety reasons. Is it worth taking a year off of racing
to put the "correct" part there? I say - no, lets race
instead.</p>
<p>A strict reading of the axle housing must be stock rule
would also prohibit the Southwick conversion and we're
back to the cars destroying themselves. That seems
counterproductive to me, but I'm not a purist. :)</p>
<p>Billet cranks? Carillo rods? I don't think the '62
GCR allowed those. Certainly not allowed when we ran
SCCA in the early 70's. Many of us run those now
because the stock stuff breaks and saws your engine in
half. However, THOSE DO provide a possible performance
advantage over a strict reading of the rules because we
can run higher RPM's semi-reliably. Good stock stuff is
hard to come by and we do what we have to in order to
keep our awesome VINTAGE Triumph's on the track - I
figure that's most of our justification for those parts.</p>
<p>Uncle jack's car (Dad) was extremely legal, and when we
raced each other our cars were virtually identical in
performance. So if I'm cheating to be faster I must be
doing a bad job of it.<br>
</p>
<p>To me, parts substitution that keeps our cars running
is in a very gray area that some consider "cheating" and
others consider "just keeping it running". The trans
replacement falls under that category. I'm aware of one
vintage organization that's taken a hard line on
transmissions - Bill, yours would be illegal there. And
as a result guys running GT-6's are pretty much
screwed. I don't know why the organization would rather
see a competitor replace a tranny every race weekend
rather than have them out on the track competing.</p>
<p>I'm just glad that I get to do this as often as I can
afford, and get to hang with a bunch of really neat
people.</p>
<p>I could write another book on front brakes (the
original topic), one on various engine parts,
carburetors, transmissions. I already wrote the one on
axles (above). <br>
</p>
<p>I'd rather folks not be terribly nit-picky about this
stuff and just appreciate the fact that we can muster up
enough Triumphs at an event that the organizers WANT us
there and will give us a race to ourselves.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_6613154434644967780moz-cite-prefix">On
3/9/2018 8:06 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Bill, if all the
cheaters in vintage were black flagged, half the
field wouldn't finish! Cheaters is a harsh word;
non-compliant sounds better.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I know of guys with
mid-50's Corvettes, and one T Bird, who run big disc
brakes, not the original drums. One of whom runs a
vintage organization!!!!!!</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Also, I like Tony but a
9 inch Ford diff in a TR4? All vintage rules say the
diff housing has to be stock.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I also like Sam, who's
given me a lot of advice over the years, but is his
car truely vintage legal? Frankly, I don't care.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">This will probably get
me blackballed, but....</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I also don't give a
hoot what you run or how legal it is or isn't. Just
go out and have fun.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've gotten 1 (one)
medal in 11 years of vintage racing; not a very
successful effort, you might say. (so would I!). But
I've had an 'effen blast! And met a bunch of great
people. And did what I set out to do.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">OK, I wrote this last
night and thought I'd sleep on it. After reading the
comment about Formula Libra, I guess other people
feel as I do.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Were all the cars
running today raced "back in the day" or were they
built to go vintage racing today?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Ever see a tech
inspector crawl under your car and check to see if
the drain plugs were safety wired? Or check brakes
or diffs? </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Full disclosure: I run
a Celica 5 speed, legal according to the rules.
Hitachi carbs (the Japs took SU's and improved
them).</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I don't like cheaters.
I help with the Erie Marathon where 43% or our
finishers qualified for the Boston Marathon, the
goal of every good runner. The last couple years we
ferreted out 3 cheaters. They will never, ever be
allowed into the Boston Marathon. That's why I like
running, kind of a pure sport where technology
doesn't help you much.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">OK, end of rant.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hang loose. (I'm
reading Brian Wilson's book, so I thought a surfing
term would be ok!)</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Bill</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot]
Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I
would take a note of tire cheaters on the False Grid,
and then bring em in with a Meat Ball Flag after one
lap in the Feature Race.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Dentinger</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PS Three sets of tires needed. One for
qualifying...one for the feature race...and a
special set for Tech. That latter set can be
experienced, but must have a minimum tread depth.</div>
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On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot
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class="gmail_default">The only item that
SVRA regularly checks is tires from my
experience. And they do that at each
gridding.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018
at 2:49 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP:break-word">We have
not had issues with stock calipers. We
run Hawk or Carbotech brake pads and
good brake fluid. We do bleed the
brakes regularly and all seems to be
working good.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would be nice to get the benefit
of less unsprung weight on the front
suspension by switching to aluminum.
However, I do not know of any vintage
organization that really allows it by
their rules. We all know that that do
not get enforced on a regular basis.
However, I do think SVRA has made a
great effort to get people to use a
stock type caliper at their events. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On Mar 8, 2018, at
11:26 AM, Chris Marx via
Fot <<a
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wrote:</div>
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<div style="MARGIN:0cm
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lang="EN-US">I’m
still using the
original brakes the
car came with.</span></div>
<div style="MARGIN:0cm
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lang="EN-US">I’ve
put in some nice
brake pads and that
is working well for
me.</span></div>
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lang="EN-US"></span> </div>
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lang="EN-US">Cheers</span></div>
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<<a
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HOGYE via Fot<br>
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8. März 2018 17:28<br>
<b>An:</b><span
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Janzen <<a
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Triumph <<a
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<b>Betreff:</b><span
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[Fot] Has anybody
ran these new
brake calipers?</div>
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<div><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51);FONT-SIZE:12pt">Good
call, Scott. The
Wilwood calipers are
aluminum, but
otherwise look very
similar to the the P
or PB calipers.</span></div>
<div><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51);FONT-SIZE:12pt"></span> </div>
<div><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51);FONT-SIZE:12pt">DH</span></div>
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March 8, 2018 at
8:21 AM Scott
Janzen <<a
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href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sjanzen@me.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
good to check your
club rules first
though, if
enforced. VRG
says you need to
use the original
equipment, and
SVRA says <br>
<span
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:white;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:9pt">Alternate
calipers or
wheel cylinders
must be of the
same material,
design and
number of
pistons as the
original
component. There
must be no
increase in the
frictional
surface of the
pads or shoes.</span> </div>
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<div
style="MARGIN:0cm
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Mar 8, 2018,
at 11:09 AM,
DAVE HOGYE via
Fot <<a
style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>
<div
style="MARGIN:0cm
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quality of the
new calipers
is somewhat
suspect, but
seem to work
as needed.<br>
The first pair
that I bought
from BPNW had
a yellow
(anodized ?)
finish with
numbers in the
castings. The
second pair
from BPNW 4
years later
have a silver
finish and no
numbers in the
casting which
made me wonder
about the
quality. <br>
My first set
has been on my
car from 2013.
13 race
weekends a
total of 3,800
miles.<br>
Wilwood makes
beautiful
replacements
now. They are
anodized
black. I far
as I can tell,
they will fit
our Triumphs,
but haven't
made a
complete
comparison.
Of course the
price is
higher, but
more
equivalent to
the importance
of good
brakes.<span
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<br>
DH<br>
<br>
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<div
style="MARGIN:0cm
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March 8, 2018
at 2:54 AM
Henry Frye via
Fot <<a
style="COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
I have seen
these
available for
a while now,
but fear they
are made<span
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somewhere we
don't want to
know from
materials I
don't want to
think<span
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about. I'm not
brave enough
to put one of
these on a
street car,
let<span
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alone my race
car.<br>
<br>
Has anybody
tried these
calipers yet?
Any
feedback???<br>
<br>
As long as
good cores are
available for
16P's, I'm
rebuilding OEM<span
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calipers.<br>
<br>
Henry<br>
<br>
On 2018-03-07
23:24, DAVE
HOGYE via Fot
wrote:<br>
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<div
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BTW, the PB
calipers are
available new
for around
$100 each new.<br>
That's pretty
inexpensive
for such an
important
part. I
purchased<br>
another set
when I thought
I might be
having a
problem, but
ended up<br>
just changing
pads. I'm
glad to have a
new pair
standing by.
Then I<br>
can rebuild at
my leisure.</div>
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