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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill, if all the cheaters in vintage were black
flagged, half the field wouldn't finish! Cheaters is a harsh word; non-compliant
sounds better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I know of guys with mid-50's Corvettes, and one T
Bird, who run big disc brakes, not the original drums. One of whom runs a
vintage organization!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Also, I like Tony but a 9 inch Ford diff in a TR4?
All vintage rules say the diff housing has to be stock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I also like Sam, who's given me a lot of advice
over the years, but is his car truely vintage legal? Frankly, I don't
care.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This will probably get me blackballed,
but....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I also don't give a hoot what you run or how legal
it is or isn't. Just go out and have fun.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I've gotten 1 (one) medal in 11 years of vintage
racing; not a very successful effort, you might say. (so would I!). But I've had
an 'effen blast! And met a bunch of great people. And did what I set out to
do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>OK, I wrote this last night and thought I'd sleep
on it. After reading the comment about Formula Libra, I guess other people feel
as I do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Were all the cars running today raced "back in the
day" or were they built to go vintage racing today?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ever see a tech inspector crawl under your car and
check to see if the drain plugs were safety wired? Or check brakes or diffs?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Full disclosure: I run a Celica 5 speed, legal
according to the rules. Hitachi carbs (the Japs took SU's and improved
them).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't like cheaters. I help with the Erie
Marathon where 43% or our finishers qualified for the Boston Marathon, the goal
of every good runner. The last couple years we ferreted out 3 cheaters. They
will never, ever be allowed into the Boston Marathon. That's why I like running,
kind of a pure sport where technology doesn't help you much.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>OK, end of rant.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hang loose. (I'm reading Brian Wilson's book, so I
thought a surfing term would be ok!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I would
take a note of tire cheaters on the False Grid, and then bring em in with a
Meat Ball Flag after one lap in the Feature Race.
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<DIV>Bill Dentinger</DIV>
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<DIV>PS Three sets of tires needed. One for qualifying...one for the
feature race...and a special set for Tech. That latter set can be experienced,
but must have a minimum tread depth.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <<A
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small" class=gmail_default>The only item that SVRA
regularly checks is tires from my experience. And they do that at each
gridding.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">We have not had issues with stock
calipers. We run Hawk or Carbotech brake pads and good brake
fluid. We do bleed the brakes regularly and all seems to be working
good.
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<DIV>It would be nice to get the benefit of less unsprung weight on the
front suspension by switching to aluminum. However, I do not know of
any vintage organization that really allows it by their rules. We
all know that that do not get enforced on a regular basis. However,
I do think SVRA has made a great effort to get people to use a stock type
caliper at their events. <BR>
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<DIV>On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <<A
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lang=EN-US>I’m still using the original brakes the car came
with.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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lang=EN-US>I’ve put in some nice brake pads and that is working well for
me.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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<<A style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
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Auftrag von<SPAN
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HOGYE via Fot<BR><B>Gesendet:</B><SPAN
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8. März 2018 17:28<BR><B>An:</B><SPAN
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Janzen <<A style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
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of Triumph' Triumph <<A
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Has anybody ran these new brake
calipers?<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Good
call, Scott. The Wilwood calipers are aluminum, but otherwise look
very similar to the the P or PB calipers.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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March 8, 2018 at 8:21 AM Scott Janzen <<A
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wrote:<BR><BR>good to check your club rules first though, if
enforced. VRG says you need to use the original equipment, and
SVRA says <BR><SPAN
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calipers or wheel cylinders must be of the same material, design and
number of pistons as the original component. There must be no increase
in the frictional surface of the pads or
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Mar 8, 2018, at 11:09 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <<A
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style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
quality of the new calipers is somewhat suspect, but seem to work as
needed.<BR>The first pair that I bought from BPNW had a yellow
(anodized ?) finish with numbers in the castings. The second
pair from BPNW 4 years later have a silver finish and no numbers in
the casting which made me wonder about the quality. <BR>My first
set has been on my car from 2013. 13 race weekends a total of
3,800 miles.<BR>Wilwood makes beautiful replacements now. They
are anodized black. I far as I can tell, they will fit our
Triumphs, but haven't made a complete comparison. Of course the
price is higher, but more equivalent to the importance of good
brakes.<SPAN
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style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">On
March 8, 2018 at 2:54 AM Henry Frye via Fot <<A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"
target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>I have
seen these available for a while now, but fear they are made<SPAN
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we don't want to know from materials I don't want to think<SPAN
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I'm not brave enough to put one of these on a street car, let<SPAN
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my race car.<BR><BR>Has anybody tried these calipers yet? Any
feedback???<BR><BR>As long as good cores are available for 16P's,
I'm rebuilding OEM<SPAN
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2018-03-07 23:24, DAVE HOGYE via Fot
wrote:<BR><BR><U></U><U></U></DIV>
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the PB calipers are available new for around $100 each
new.<BR>That's pretty inexpensive for such an important
part. I purchased<BR>another set when I thought I might be
having a problem, but ended up<BR>just changing pads. I'm
glad to have a new pair standing by. Then I<BR>can rebuild
at my leisure.<U></U><U></U></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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