<div dir="ltr">In the 50's to early 70's days of the California Sports Car Club, if you were caught, and many were, with parts or items that were not allowed you were given a chance to defend yourself at the Contest Board meeting (once a month) and if they found proof you were guilty as charged, you lost your license for a YEAR. That's it, you did not race for a year in any class. <div><br></div><div>I ran the Rules Enforcement group and was on the Contest Board which consisted of current drivers in several classes. It was found most of the cheating took place from about 6th place back to about 10th place. Nothing much before that position or after the 10th place. Some entrants never understood that other drivers REALLY were FAST and thus they thought the leaders were the cheaters and that just was not true at all. Interesting. No one wanted to have the name "cheater" attached to their name. Several cars were checked each race by lottery for cubic capacity, weight, gears ratios, body panels and other major parts. It was pretty pure racing.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><p><strong><font color="#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I would take a note of tire cheaters on the False Grid, and then bring em in with a Meat Ball Flag after one lap in the Feature Race. <div><br></div><div>Bill Dentinger</div><div><br></div><div>PS Three sets of tires needed. One for qualifying...one for the feature race...and a special set for Tech. That latter set can be experienced, but must have a minimum tread depth.</div><div><br><br><div id="m_-3959243184787490700AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The only item that SVRA regularly checks is tires from my experience. And they do that at each gridding.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">We have not had issues with stock calipers. We run Hawk or Carbotech brake pads and good brake fluid. We do bleed the brakes regularly and all seems to be working good.<div><br></div><div>It would be nice to get the benefit of less unsprung weight on the front suspension by switching to aluminum. However, I do not know of any vintage organization that really allows it by their rules. We all know that that do not get enforced on a regular basis. However, I do think SVRA has made a great effort to get people to use a stock type caliper at their events. <br><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_-3959243184787490700h5"><div>On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class="m_-3959243184787490700h5"><div class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">I’m still using the original brakes the car came with.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve put in some nice brake pads and that is working well for me.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Chris<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>Von:</b><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot <<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>I<wbr>m Auftrag von<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>DAVE HOGYE via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 17:28<br><b>An:</b><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott Janzen <<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friends of Triumph' Triumph <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Good call, Scott. The Wilwood calipers are aluminum, but otherwise look very similar to the the P or PB calipers.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">DH<u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div id="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927ox-ddc382db58"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On March 8, 2018 at 8:21 AM Scott Janzen <<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>good to check your club rules first though, if enforced. VRG says you need to use the original equipment, and SVRA says <br><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">Alternate calipers or wheel cylinders must be of the same material, design and number of pistons as the original component. There must be no increase in the frictional surface of the pads or shoes.</span> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:09 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The quality of the new calipers is somewhat suspect, but seem to work as needed.<br>The first pair that I bought from BPNW had a yellow (anodized ?) finish with numbers in the castings. The second pair from BPNW 4 years later have a silver finish and no numbers in the casting which made me wonder about the quality. <br>My first set has been on my car from 2013. 13 race weekends a total of 3,800 miles.<br>Wilwood makes beautiful replacements now. They are anodized black. I far as I can tell, they will fit our Triumphs, but haven't made a complete comparison. Of course the price is higher, but more equivalent to the importance of good brakes.<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>DH<br><br><u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On March 8, 2018 at 2:54 AM Henry Frye via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>I have seen these available for a while now, but fear they are made<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>somewhere we don't want to know from materials I don't want to think<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>about. I'm not brave enough to put one of these on a street car, let<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>alone my race car.<br><br>Has anybody tried these calipers yet? Any feedback???<br><br>As long as good cores are available for 16P's, I'm rebuilding OEM<span class="m_-3959243184787490700m_-8657713854066577927Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>calipers.<br><br>Henry<br><br>On 2018-03-07 23:24, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>BTW, the PB calipers are available new for around $100 each new.<br>That's pretty inexpensive for such an important part. I purchased<br>another set when I thought I might be having a problem, but ended up<br>just changing pads. I'm glad to have a new pair standing by. 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