<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Ok. I asked about withdraw of the rear thrust washer up through the case because it looked to me that this would work. I had a good shot at it with a punch trying to drive it up and out and I was not making progress. The tab is correctly aligned (not spun). </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">It maybe that the centerline of the lay gears was slight off center while I was whacking away at the thrust washer. I'll try again by getting the lay gears back in alignment and then attempt to get the washer out. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks for the input guys. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Greg<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Robert Lang <<a href="mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com">robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yiv8525382772"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_2708"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_2707"><div id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30295"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_5005"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294">Yes it can. The lay shaft has to not be jammed into the car, but the bearing surface between the first gear end of the layshaft and the case will allow the thrust washer to come out as long as the tab is in the groove in the case. If that is not your situation, then you need to try to spin the bearing around. Note that it is pretty hard to get that rear thrust washer oriented incorrectly, but it can happen if the thrust washer spins in the case.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_5006"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_6792"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294">But getting that thrust washer out of the case using the safety wire does work - I've had to do it a few times recently including a case where the thrust washer spun in there.</span></div><div><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_6793"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294">Regards,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_6798"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294">Bob Lang</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_6799"><span id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_30294">339-927-4489<br></span></div></div> <div class="yiv8525382772qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515428586968_3150"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8525382772yqt5913884679" id="yiv8525382772yqt40738"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv8525382772yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, January 8, 2018 9:30 AM, Greg Blake <<a href="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv8525382772y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8525382772"><div><div>So the rear washer can come up out of the top of the box with the lay gears still in the case?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class="yiv8525382772yqt1423313768" id="yiv8525382772yqt07775"><div><br clear="none">On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Robert Lang <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com">robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15511">Hi All,</div><div id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15133"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15134">I recently had to deal with getting a recalcitrant rear thrust washer out of the case after the front one had spun - I wound up making a loop of .035 safety wire to fit around the rear washer and looped the other end around a pry bar and lifted straight up. I was able to get the washer in a position to grab it with a really small channel lock plier and pull the washer out. Others already commented on making sure that the lay gear isn't cock-eyed in the case.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15546"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15547">You def. want to double check the layshaft end-for this case when you get the thing apart.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15619"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15622">C ya,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15625">Bob Lang <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15626">339-927-4489<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv8525382772yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1515417875135_15120"><span></span></div> <div class="yiv8525382772qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8525382772yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, January 8, 2018 12:44 AM, M&M Hado via Fot <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv8525382772y_msg_container"><div dir="ltr">When the rear washer is not bound, jammed, or damaged, it simply slides out<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">since it has .007 - .012" clearance, if the gear float is within spec.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Also, there is an anti-rotation tab that lines up with a slot in the casing.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">If the washer had rotated beyond the point where the tab and slot normally<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">line up, then it's probably jammed and tougher to move or remove. You<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">should be able to see the washer through the end hole in the casing after<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">removing the layshaft which you already have out. You might be able to move<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">the washer with a small screwdriver or ice pick tool. Try to get the whole<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">assembly square so the gear isn't cocked which would jam it further. It has<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">to slide out evenly at both ends. If you have a new washer, you can see the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">anti-rotation tab I'm referring to.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Mike<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">From: Greg Blake [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>] <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 9:24 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhado@att.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhado@att.net">mhado@att.net</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 transmission rebuild - counter shaft gears<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Mike,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">How do I get that rear washer to drop out?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> On Jan 7, 2018, at 9:20 PM, M&M Hado <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhado@att.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhado@att.net">mhado@att.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Greg,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> It sounds like one or both of the laygear thrust washers are jammed or <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> damaged which is preventing you from moving the cluster. Also, the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> smaller or rear thrust washer has to be removed before you can slide <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> out the assembly in the first place. That 1/16" or so of extra <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> movement (after the small washer is out) allows the cluster to move to <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> that end and clear the forward end boss in the casing. Once you get <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> the gears out be sure to check the condition of the casing on both <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> ends where the washers are up against the casing. I've got several extra<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">TR6 boxes in case you need one.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Mike<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> From: Fot [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Greg Blake <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> via Fot<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:24 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> To: Fot<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Subject: [Fot] TR6 transmission rebuild - counter shaft gears<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> I am rebuilding a TR6 transmission and ran into a strange snag. When I <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> removed the countershaft the counter shaft gears did not drop to the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> bottom of the case. I had to tap on the counter shaft gear set with a <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> brass punch to get them to move far enough to allow the input shaft <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> and gear to be removed. Now that I have the main shaft out of the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> case, I can't get the counter shaft gears out of the case. I've been <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> able to move them a little bit by tapping on the gears with a brass <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> punch through the drain hole but I can't get them out. Has anyone run <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> into this before? Any ideas to get them out?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Thanks. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Greg<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Sent from my iPhone<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.fot-racing.com/">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Donate: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Archive: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Forums: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> Unsubscribe/Manage: <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado@att.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado@att.net</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.fot-racing.com/">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Donate: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Archive: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Forums: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6@yahoo.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>