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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">For what its worth:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The Kastner 1972 GT6 runs Toyo’s and is setup at 3 degrees negative and has been running a welded rear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The Group 44 1972 GT6 is 2.25 negative running on Hoosiers with a posi rear<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Both these cars handle well, slide well and have not “snap rolled” on me in years.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The comment earlier on Avons is interesting. I looked at the web site for them and might try a set.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I run Avons on some of my other cars and they are much more predictive.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The edge of grip is much more telegraphed and the warning comes much earlier that the tire will be letting go.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">They are just expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The Hoosier to me grip well - and then all of a sudden they let go. They yelp once and then are gone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">They are harder to find the edge without going over the line.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, November 10, 2017 at 8:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] TOYOs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My GT6 has a welded rear end. I get virtually all my braking done in a straight line and then am easing on the gas almost immediately in most turns. That pushes the rear end out and steers the car.
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, definitely the tires slip, and you can see it from the gummy rubber on them after a run, front and rear. However, on tighter turns, at a certain point if I push it too far, yep, the rear end just comes around. Usually you know when
it is coming, but on certain turns or perhaps when this driver is not looking for the signs, it’s been known to happen. Generally not once they are up to temp though.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have heard the Hoosiers are grippier cold, and no question I need two laps at speed to get full grip.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks guys, all looks positive for the Toyos. What is this rumor I had heard a couple of times that they stick good, but when they let go you're gone. Is this what you are talking about Scott? I can get a little drift out of the TDs on
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">26A GT6+, 28 TR6<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Thursday, November 9, 2017, 9:20:26 PM EST, Scott Janzen <<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com">sjanzen@me.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I’ve always been tempted to try the Hoosiers, just for comparison, but what has deterred me are camber settings. The R888s on my GT6 like about 2.5 degrees of negative
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the turns than with the radials. That said, and I am sure that there are differences between the cars and drivers, there are top three Spridgets in VRG on both types of tires. Of course, they have a solid axle in the rear, so the Toyos may not be operating
under ideal conditions on those cars. When I talked to Toyo they recommended 2.5-3 degrees of negative camber (even though their website says 1-3).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">No question the toyos are cheaper - $144 at tire rack, versus $183 for the TDs at Woodman.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">OK, thinking about Toyo Proxes for my GT6 next year. 205/60x13. I run Hoosier TD S's right now and have always. looking for opinions on these options, all three are VRG approved for my car. Also anything you
can warn me about or <span class="ydp654cb640yiv8118331586">advice </span> for switching from bias ply to radials? Just trying to get educated at the moment, I see a lot of guys running these but have heard some bad experience stories about spins from the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">26A GT6+, 28 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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