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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jack, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Indeed lots good discussion to get the ‘juices flowing’<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is a subject that is close to my heart and I am familiar with, and have been dealing with and resolving for 30 years in industry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Simply…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The crank shaft bolts are NOT shearing. The bolts are being stretched, clearance/low tension occurs, then fatigue failure will set in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The cause. Torsional Vibration of the crank shaft. Torsional vibration is a BENDING moment or moments in the crankshaft. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The SEVERITY and WHERE this bending moment occurs depends on a number of factors such as crankshaft weight, number of main journals, flywheel weight, harmonic damper etc. and is a function of the operating RPM’s.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Check out the below clip for a good visual on what can happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJUSRSJxpA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJUSRSJxpA</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4pCiNozLkk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4pCiNozLkk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If my memory serves me correct, I believe Kas did a lot of work on the TR6 engine on this very subject! I think from memory the flywheel run out at certain RPM’s was almost ½” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, if you accept the above explanation on the failure mode of the se bolts. You can now understand WHY this issue DOESN’T happen to everyone with the same basic engine and components.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s all extremely dependent on all the types of components used, component weights AND what RPM’s you like to make your MAX, and running RPM's through the gears etc. etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is the EXACT reason why constant RPM engines like SHIPS and racing boats, steam turbines AVOID certain RPM’s within plus/minus a few hundred of that figure/point. As it significantly reduces the risk of severe and damaging torsional vibrations in the crankshaft system. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is basically two major outcomes if you have this problem - <b>Flywheel bolts are stretched/items become ‘loose’ OR the crankshaft breaks</b>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the issue is not resolved, NO amount of Loctite (Loctite on grade 8 bolts is another while issue) or tension will fix it. I have had 2 and 1/2” diameter bolts where the head of the bolt has been completely ‘popped’ off. Let’s not forget if you are operating at say, 7,000 RPM, that can equates to 232 to 348 times a SECOND, that each bolt is exposed to this problem (stretching/fatigue). So I NEVER use 2<sup>nd</sup> hand bolts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My 2 cents worth. Lots of good articles out there on crankshaft torsional vibration<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!"<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter Vucinic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jack Wheeler via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 June 2017 5:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> timmmurphh@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Lots of interesting discussion here. This may surprise some of you, but my experience shows that the Factory knew what they were doing when they were designing the flywheel connection to the crankshaft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Early in my career, racing a TR-4A (SCCA D Production, then moved to E Production) I sheared off flywheel bolts on a number of occasions, and each time, I tried to figure out the cause of the failure. Understanding the causes of these failures, and with suggestions from other TR racers, here is the combination I came up with, which I used for the last 17 years I raced. And, of course, this was the time during which I was producing the most HP and turning the lowest lap times (thus more strain on this connection).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>First, I had 2 flywheel dowel holes drilled. By that time, I was using a Tilton aluminum flywheel and dual disk racing clutch. The stock crankshaft had 2 dowel holes, but for whatever reason, they only used one dowel. The stock flywheel came with 2 dowel holes drilled, but they were only 90 dewgrees apart, and they didn't go all the way through the flywheel, and they only used 1 dowel. I don't recall if the Tilton flywheel came with 2 dowel holes, or if I had to have a second one drilled 180 degrees from the first one. So, I installed dowels in both dowel holes in the stock crankshaft. I found some longer dowels that would go to the seat at the bottom of the crankshaft holes, all the way through the flywheel, and still leave about 1/8" sticking out on the flywheel side. Next is very important!!! I installed the stock lock tabs, such that the tabs covered the ends of the dowels sticking out. This kept the dowels from backing out, in addition to keeping the bolts from loosening up. As a back-up, I also used blue loc-tite on the stock bolts. In fact, I never purchased a new flywheel bolt. I had enough used bolts laying around that I just picked out 4 that looked good (threads, wear on the shoulder, etc.), had them magnafluxed, and they were good to go. Never broke one using this procedure. I used the factory recommended torque spec.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I know this sounds pretty simple, and it doesn't involve spending a lot of money on expensive parts, but it worked for me. There may be better options out there, but my concern was always to find something that worked, no matter what part of the car I was working on. Then "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". This approach worked for me for a long time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Footnote: The last time I sheared off a flywheel was at The Runoffs in 1980 (my first year at The Runoffs). Turns out I had installed the lock tabs 90 degrees off from where they should have been. Without the lock tabs to secure them, the dowels backed out, which eventually allowed the connection to loosen up and sheared off the bolts, spinning the engine to 8,500 RPM's (coming down the back straightaway). This necessitated a change to a back-up engine. With the approach described above, I never sheared off another flywheel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Good luck, and I hope you all find a solution that works for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id="ydp2b5c537byahoo_quoted_7449409330"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, June 7, 2017, 1:50:57 PM EDT, timmmurphh--- via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948><div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Is there a shorter (3/4 inch) 3/8-20 bolt that could be used for the flywheel that you know of?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948yqt22981><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Deanes via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <<a href="mailto:sbarr@mccarty-law.com">sbarr@mccarty-law.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> FOT <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>the shorter ARP bolts are 350-2802.....you don't have to grind the end of the bolt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204)'><div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><< </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Don't you guys use steel inserts in those flywheel holes?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> >></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nope – I’ve always used them as supplied. And so long as I remembered to check the clearance for the radius under the head, it’s been fine. Frankly, I always wondered about why it was OK to torque the flywheel bolts down onto a relatively soft aluminum flywheel, but bad to use a steel washer – which was almost certainly harder. But I’ve always used Loctite on the flywheel bolts: mostly red, though sometimes blue.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott (B.)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor'><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Scott Janzen [mailto:<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 05, 2017 3:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <<a href="mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com" target="_blank">sbarr@McCarty-Law.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:timmmurphh@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmmurphh@gmail.com</a>; Steve Yott <<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>>; STEPHEN BOROWSKI <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; FOT <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Don't you guys use steel inserts in those flywheel holes?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><br>On Jun 5, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is what it looks like if you forget to chamfer the flywheel holes to clear the radius under the head.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor'><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>timmmurphh--- via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Yott' <<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>>; 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Thanks for the clarification Steve, that makes sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a name="m_-7593207722922015599__MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor'><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Steve Yott [<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:timmmurphh@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmmurphh@gmail.com</a>; 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>The reason they state to not use washers is they are afraid that the washers used will (1) not be hard enough and will compress under the bolt head and (2) all ARP bolts have very liberal radii between the head and shank. If there is a tight fitting washer this would be strain on this radius and could break the head.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>The 7/16” ARP bolts used on Chevy flywheels is what I fit to TR’6, late Spitfires and modified TR4 cranks. These bolts come with the special washers to use with them. I have used a proper washer under the 3/8” ARP bolts many times with no problems using a correct washer. You can also use an ARP crown wheel bolt for the same purpose and these come with proper washers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Steve Yott <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor'><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>timmmurphh--- via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 04, 2017 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>FWIW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>I just got a set of ARP 206-2802 flywheel bolts from Pegasus for the TR4. They are for “BMC A series”. The instruction specifically says, “DO NOT USE ANY WAHERS”, yes, all in caps for emphasis! They further state that ARP will not be responsible for failures is washers are used. The instructions also say, “Make sure there is an adequate chamfer under the bolt holes on the flywheel to clear the radius under the head of the bolt.” Torque is 55 Ft-Lb with specified lubricants on the threads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>I’ve never had that much good luck grinding the ends of bolts and still having it square so as not to start it cocked and runing the female threads. Maybe it’s just me😊<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor'><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>STEPHEN BOROWSKI via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 2, 2017 3:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> FOT List <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3242"><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Does anyone have experience using the ARP flywheel bolts sold by Moss and others?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3241"><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>I understand that you may have to shorten the bolt or it breaks the rear seal???<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3257"><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Are they supposed to have a washer or not?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3239"><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3240"><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Thxs. Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>rob deanes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2b5c537byiv7876497948msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>TR Racer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=ydp2b5c537byqt31709><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947@yahoo.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>