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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Is there a shorter (3/4 inch) 3/8-20 bolt that could be used for the flywheel that you know of?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Deanes via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <sbarr@mccarty-law.com><br><b>Cc:</b> FOT <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>the shorter ARP bolts are 350-2802.....you don't have to grind the end of the bolt<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><< </span>Don't you guys use steel inserts in those flywheel holes?<span style='color:#1F497D'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nope – I’ve always used them as supplied. And so long as I remembered to check the clearance for the radius under the head, it’s been fine. Frankly, I always wondered about why it was OK to torque the flywheel bolts down onto a relatively soft aluminum flywheel, but bad to use a steel washer – which was almost certainly harder. But I’ve always used Loctite on the flywheel bolts: mostly red, though sometimes blue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Scott (B.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Scott Janzen [mailto:<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 05, 2017 3:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <<a href="mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com">sbarr@McCarty-Law.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:timmmurphh@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmmurphh@gmail.com</a>; Steve Yott <<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>>; STEPHEN BOROWSKI <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; FOT <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don't you guys use steel inserts in those flywheel holes?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 5, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>This is what it looks like if you forget to chamfer the flywheel holes to clear the radius under the head.</span> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>timmmurphh--- via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Yott' <<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>>; 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks for the clarification Steve, that makes sense.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-7593207722922015599__MailEndCompose"> </a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Steve Yott [<a href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank">mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:timmmurphh@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmmurphh@gmail.com</a>; 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The reason they state to not use washers is they are afraid that the washers used will (1) not be hard enough and will compress under the bolt head and (2) all ARP bolts have very liberal radii between the head and shank. If there is a tight fitting washer this would be strain on this radius and could break the head.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The 7/16” ARP bolts used on Chevy flywheels is what I fit to TR’6, late Spitfires and modified TR4 cranks. These bolts come with the special washers to use with them. I have used a proper washer under the 3/8” ARP bolts many times with no problems using a correct washer. You can also use an ARP crown wheel bolt for the same purpose and these come with proper washers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Steve Yott <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>timmmurphh--- via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 04, 2017 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'STEPHEN BOROWSKI' <<a href="mailto:biznzman@pacbell.net" target="_blank">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FWIW<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just got a set of ARP 206-2802 flywheel bolts from Pegasus for the TR4. They are for “BMC A series”. The instruction specifically says, “DO NOT USE ANY WAHERS”, yes, all in caps for emphasis! They further state that ARP will not be responsible for failures is washers are used. The instructions also say, “Make sure there is an adequate chamfer under the bolt holes on the flywheel to clear the radius under the head of the bolt.” Torque is 55 Ft-Lb with specified lubricants on the threads.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’ve never had that much good luck grinding the ends of bolts and still having it square so as not to start it cocked and runing the female threads. Maybe it’s just me<span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>STEPHEN BOROWSKI via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 2, 2017 3:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> FOT List <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] TR4 ARP Flywheel Bolts Question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3242"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Does anyone have experience using the ARP flywheel bolts sold by Moss and others?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3241"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I understand that you may have to shorten the bolt or it breaks the rear seal???</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3257"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Are they supposed to have a washer or not?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3239"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-7593207722922015599yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496435068370_3240"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Thxs. Steve</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>rob deanes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>TR Racer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>