<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485260211209_10242"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485260211209_10241">I have always thought that head gasket "sealant" was not to seal the gasket but to act as a lubricant so to speak to allow the head and block to expand and contract at their different rates and not shear the gasket. I also heard this from Mr. Gasket tech department when I spoke with them. They test head gaskets to destruction and they told me the best "sealant" they found was Permatex High Tack in either spray or brush on. It took them more effort to destroy the gaskets with this product than anything else they tested. I have used it successfully on many engine builds. You can call their tech department and talk with one of their people, they are very friendly.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485260211209_10242"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485260211209_10242"><span>Barry Rosenberg</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485260211209_10242"><span>British Car Service</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, January 23, 2017 7:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7677791012"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_54132">Hi Neil. Since I retired from racing, I have built a couple of Triumph engines, and am now working on an MGB engine. On the first Triumph engine I did, I used used the stock Triumph head gasket, with Gaskacinch sealant, which I had used in the race car for 20 years or so. Gaskacinca is an old regional gasket cement found in the Midwest USA. I had trouble getting it to seal, and ended up with a combustion leak. My machine shop guy recommended Cometic for the head gasket, and Hylomar sealant. So I tried that combination, and it worked great.</div><div id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_54131"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_54130">I'm getting ready to use a Cometic head gasket on the MGB I am rebuilding, and thought I would use Hylomar sealant. Are you familiar with Cometic head gaskets? If so, what sealant would you recommend? I have some Hylomar left over from previous builds, but if you have something that is better, I'd like to use that. Do you ship to the US? If so, how would I go about ordering your Wellseal product?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_57717"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_57716">Thanks for your help.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_57715"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_57714">Jack Wheeler<br></div><div id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53176"><span></span></div><div class="yiv7677791012qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53177"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7677791012yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53181" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53180"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53179"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53178"> <font id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53182" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_56644" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Neil Revington <neil@revingtontr.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Ricco <paulricco@att.net>; Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; Joe Boruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>; "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 23, 2017 12:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Fot] TR3/4 Rear Main Seal<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv7677791012y_msg_container" id="yiv7677791012yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485121138377_53187"><br><div id="yiv7677791012">
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Thanks for copying me in on this.
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">or the superior sealant Heldite</span></div>
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with careful preparation using these cranks and we have been happy with the results. Here is what we learned:</div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">1. The Revington Seal Kit does work very well when it is installed properly. It is good product. </div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">2. There are a lot of cranks floating around that had the scroll removed, but they were not machined to the correct size for the seal kit. We have found some that have been machined too small and one that was too large. Too large was
just as big a problem, because the seal could not close all the way around the crank causing a leak with the oil pressures that we run.</div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">3. The aluminum seal housings are often not installed and sealed correctly. The problem is further compounded by the felt seal not being completely sealed when the rear main bearing cap is installed. We use 1 inch pieces of the felt
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">4. Measure your crank seal surface very carefully. If it is too small or too large, the seal will not work correctly. Both issues can be corrected. Have a good machine shop read the instructions and help you get the crank prepped per
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">5. Make sure that the machine shop leaves the correct radius corner when they machine the scroll off.</div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">6. Follow the instructions that Revington includes in his kit to the letter, and the seal will work great in racing applications.</div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">7. I will only use replacement seals for our housings that are purchased directly from Revington TR. I have been told that another vendor tried to have some produced and they may not be the correct size and specification for the Revington
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">8. Choose the sealant that you use for the housing very carefully. We have had very good success with Hylomar. There may be other good choices but that has worked for us.</div>
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal">Hope some of this helps and best of luck getting the motor sealed up.</div>
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On Jan 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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the scrolling from the rear of the crankshaft. The first was to use a rope seal, like the E-Type Jaguar. I took the dimension off the Jag crank, then machined the Triumph crank to the same OD. I used the stock Triumph aluminum seal to hold the rope seal
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Chevy Crank. Then I machined a two part aluminum retainer, similar to the stock Triumph rear seal, but with the inside machined to hold the Chevy seal in place. I think there was a kit available at one time, were you could buy the seal, and the adapter that
holds it in place (Moss (?) or someone like that had made up the same aluminum adapter that I had, and were selling it as a kit). Anyway, this worked pretty well as long as you got the Chevy seal well centered around the crankshaft.</span></div>
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the crank. If your cranks can be machined to this diameter, then see if you can find one of the old Moss conversion kits. When I sold my race car to Don Marshall (#11 EP TR-4A - Runoffs winner 1990), there were 2 or 3 of these seal adapters that went with
it. If you can track it down, see if one of these seal adapters is available (out of an engine), and could be used as a sample to have one machined. Or, you could do like I did. Buy the big block Chevy seal, and use it as a template, along with a stock
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<div class="yiv7677791012MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;"> Tony Drews via Fot <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Boruch <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jaboruch@netzero.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:jaboruch@netzero.net">jaboruch@netzero.net</a>>;
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 21, 2017 3:12 AM<br>
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I did get the message but don't have any alternate suggestions for <br>
rear seal if the crank is machined for the earlier seal kits.<br>
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- Tony Drews<br>
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At 06:57 PM 1/20/2017, Joe Boruch via Fot wrote:<br>
>Not sure if this went thru before, since I did not receive it in my <br>
>inbox and did not receive any replies. Sorry for the duplication, <br>
>if it went out previously.<br>
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>The recent discussion of the valve cover gasket reminded me to ask <br>
>about TR3/4 rear main seals. I know that the new improved Viton <br>
>seals are make to fit cranks that the scroll surface has not been <br>
>machined. All my cranks have been machined to fit the earlier seal <br>
>kits. Is there an upgraded seal kit to fit machined cranks or would <br>
>there even be any advantage to using the new seal? Joe(B)<br>
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