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</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">careful removal of all of the scratches and worn areas of the bottom plate on the pump where the rotors set</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Van Vlack<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 14, 2016 4:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com>; 'marty' <trmarty@hotmail.com>; FOT List <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Marty, I experienced low to no oil pressure at idle on my 4A street car several years ago, and what fixed it for me was new rod bearings and mostly I think was a close inspection
of the oil pump and maintaining those clearances. So new rotor assembly and a careful removal of all of the scratches and worn areas of the bottom plate on the pump where the rotors set. Emery paper and a flat piece of glass and a lot of hand work getting
it flat. I am assuming the oil pump is similar to a 4a pump in it’s construction. Many highway miles later hot idle is 30 or above and at 3000 rpm it’s been a steady 65 to 70 pounds. Maybe look there if you haven't already done so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Marty, I think Peter is right. The GT motor I am about to rebuild had similar symptoms. Great pressure cold, 75-80, then dropping to 20-25 hot at idle, sometimes less and I had to keep
RPMs up to ensure lubrication. Uppon teardown, I had a a couple of big end rod bearings showing some copper, and others indicating wear also, all on the compression stroke side (opposite side of oil journal). Mains were all OK. I run street Mobil One 15-50,
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:54 AM<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 12 July 2016 4:09 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I could use some opinions. Some history. Spitfire small journal 1296 engine, rebuilt 6 race weekends ago included all new bearings. I tore it down this
spring to check it over prior to last weekend PVGP event. Cam and crank end floats were to spec. Rod and main bearings checked between .002 and .003 clearance. I do not have the actual numbers in front of me at the present. Cam bearings appeared to have some
slight visual wear at the bottoms but I did not actually measure them. I run Brad Pen 20W50. Oil temps run 210 and water temps run 190. EGT are 1200/1250 range on track. I was fighting low oil pressure at running temps all weekend. Once my oil temps come up
on track the pressure drops down to 35psi. If I add enough springs to the pressure relief valve I see over 125 psi cold so I am thinking my pump is putting out enough pressure. I tried shimming to get 50/60 cold at idle and it drops to 35 at operating temps
at 7000 rpm. I tried a new pressure gage over the weekend and the numbers did not change. I am currently running an auxiliary oil line to the head, I removed it at one point over the weekend and it had no effect. I tried a new pressure relief valve assy and
it had no effect. I believe this situation actually started a season ago because I added a washer to the pressure relief valve last season. I’m thinking it most likely is cam bearing wear even though all the bearings were fresh 6 events ago. Any guidance?
One thing I did learn this weekend is my accusump pressure gage is incorrect. It was reading about 30 psi higher that my dash gage. I was thinking it was probably correct and my dash gage was wrong until I replaced my electric dash gage with a mechanical
gage and its reading matched the gage I just disconnected. Oil pressure readings are taken at the port below the distributer.
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