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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I like your idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the engine temperature could drop, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 00:23<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b> Mordy Dunst; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat removed from the radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the moment. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>So Q for radiator = mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for engine is mass x (Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and radiator and Tin of = Tout of engine, likewise Tout of radiator = Tin of engine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow rate. Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across the radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower Tout of the radiator. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate increases with RPM, but not linearly since it’s a centrifugal pump. Slip gets worse with RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower delta-t across the engine, but also has a lower delta-t across the radiator. Temperature will likely climb higher than with a lower flow rate system (depending on where you measure it, but heat transfer rate is lower, so you might reach a point where it’s inadequate to meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit happens. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <<a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance point.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet temperature of the block is lower?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a problem?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The water stays shorter in the block and don’t pick up that much temperature?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Interesting thing to test.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Bill Babcock [<a href="mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:ponobill@gmail.com</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 23:41<br><b>An:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Mordy Dunst;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"><span style='color:purple'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span style='color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, you’ll need to get comfortable with a higher no-load temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be high. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but less differential temperature across the radiator. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx <<a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"><span style='color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Mordy,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are two theories about cooling and water flow.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means slowing down</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant speed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>way. And I’ll test this version in the coming weeks. I’ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mordy Dunst [<a href="mailto:gasket.works@gte.net"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:gasket.works@gte.net</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45<br><b>An:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"><span style='color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"><span style='color:purple'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span style='color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris your the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed. There will be a steady state at some point. You would like it lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated. Nor the dwell time in the radiator. There certainly calcs for all this stuff. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MDunst<br><a href="http://headgasket.com/"><span style='color:purple'>Headgasket.com</span></a><br>626.628.3777 F<br>Triple R Munitions, Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT 2<br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: MadMarx <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>; 'MadMarx' <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>Cc: fot <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a 160F thermostat installed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marcel Van Mulders [<a href="mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be?"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'MadMarx' <<a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"><span style='color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span style='color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My diesel BMW runs always at 100°C/212°F when hot. What coolant thermostat is in it? If the T° is steady at 212°F, perhaps it is intentionally done so with a 212° thermostat.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Marcel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=NL><hr size=5 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Namens<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21<br><b>Aan:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10°C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span style='color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.fot-racing.com</span></a><br><br>Donate:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.team.net/donate.html</span></a><br>Archive:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.team.net/archive</span></a><br>Forums:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.team.net/forums</span></a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net</span></a><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br></span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.fot-racing.com</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br>Donate:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.team.net/donate.html</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br>Archive:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.team.net/archive</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br>Forums:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.team.net/forums</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br>Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill@ponostyle.com"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill@ponostyle.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>