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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Oh, please don’t see my post as a critic to your help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m sorry if my untalented English had sounded that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m always thinking that every technical item should work with the fluids it was designed for.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Water wetter is for sure a good thing, especially if you race in very hot areas. So for a race in Spain it would be a help for a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But in my colder area the engine should run without any help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Just coolant, pump and radiator, and these 3 should be enough for the job. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And my job is to find the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But I appreciate all the post of FOT….they are so helpful and giving me a different point of view on the problem and some hinds were to start searching.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> J Wagner [mailto:4msonset@gmail.com] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:20<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net>; FOT List <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was offering it up as a fix, if all else fails. And it's a lot less expensive than some alternatives on a budget or if you want to race this weekend, etc, and need a temporary fix.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>when I've used it, I've seen a dramatic reduction in running temps that were consistent.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:30 AM, MadMarx <<a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Justin,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>water wetter is only a cure for symptoms but not removing the cause.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I would like to find the cause before trying things.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> J W [<a href="mailto:4msonset@gmail.com">mailto:4msonset@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 07:24<br><b>An:</b> Bill Tobin <<a href="mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> MadMarx <<a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>>; FOT List <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff. I used in in my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran a little hot, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Red Line Synthetic Oil - WaterWetter® Coolant Additives<br><a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=10">http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=10</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interested to hear others on it especially relative to racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did own a TR8 for a few months. I recall it ran hot and it frustrated the hell out of me in general. (Water Wetter wasn't on the market then.) I scraped my knuckles one too many times under that hood. It was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4A. I decided it wasn't did me! So I never discovered why if was running hot. (All street cars)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill Tobin <<a href="mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a while back.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Electrical or mechanical?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Could be worth checking.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Good luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com" title="tr4racing@googlemail.com">MadMarx</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" title="fot@autox.team.net">'FOT List'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:20 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10°C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=5 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset@gmail.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></body></html>