<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_2888"><span>Hi,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_2894"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3207"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3206">Thanks for all the feedback. It appears that my noise is piston slap possibly due to the bores being oversize. I pulled the head and there are slight witness marks on the pistons in the squish area as well as on the spark plug side... looks like I need to get the block re-bored and go to larger pistons.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3768"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3206"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3769"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3206">I measured piston rock at TDC and all the holes have about .010 rock from the squish side to the spark plug side. It is possible that there's some taper in the bore, it looks like the holes were just honed and not bored out.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3344"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3415">Seeing that the machine work was done 10 years ago, I can only blame myself for this cock-up!</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3603"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3616">Now, where's my plasticard... the racing budget getting closer to zero for 2016!<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3617"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_3618">Regards,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_4126">Bob Lang</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464882050693_4125">339-927-4489<br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, May 27, 2016 5:47 PM, Steve Yott <tr4@wi.rr.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7694931676"><div><div>Bill,</div><div>Thank you very much for stating so well what I know but just dont know how to say!!! Heck, even I understood what you said perfectly....</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In a nutshell use a good crank grinder and do lots of measurements!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:100%;">Steve Yott</div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br clear="none">From: Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> <br clear="none">Date: 05/27/2016 4:26 PM (GMT-06:00) <br clear="none">To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com <br clear="none">Cc: Steve Yott <tr4@wi.rr.com>,Fot <fot@autox.team.net> <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Piston / Head Clearance <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Indexing in this case means aligning the crankshaft in the grinding machine so that as the crank is rotated, the journal center is the center of rotation. In a four cylinder triump crank journals two and three, and journals one and four are in the same plane. So the grinder aligns the machine so 1 and 4 are concentric, grinds those two, then indexes 2 and 3, and grinds those. In a six there are three sets of concentric pairs. Any indexing error means the two journals ground with error may reach TDC at a different degree of crank rotation (offset horizontally to the main journal plane), or at a different height above the center of crank rotation (offset verticallly), or both. <br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><div class="yiv7694931676"><blockquote class="yiv7694931676" type="cite"><div class="yiv7694931676">On May 27, 2016, at 10:13 AM, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="yiv7694931676Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv7694931676"><div class="yiv7694931676" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">I'm a bit confused, Steve (not unusual these days). When you say "indexing", I think of rotational position; which would affect timing, but not piston/head clearance.<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Are you saying that the length of the throws (radial position) can be off as well?</div><div class="yiv7694931676" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">-- Randall</div><div class="yiv7694931676yqt9635802588" id="yiv7694931676yqt97882"><div class="yiv7694931676quote" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">On 27 May 2016 10:45 a.m., Steve Yott <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv7694931676quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv7694931676Section1" style=""><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Since most of you like to play the “death with pistons” game keep in mind one additional factor as you are building your engines. Over the years I have found crankshafts which were reground and the throws were not very precisely indexed. When a crank is setup on the grinding machine for grinding rod journals it is set and reset by the number of “throws”… on a 4 cylinder engine the grinder has to be indexed twice and on the 6 cylinder, 3 times. If the grinder, either the person or the machine is not perfectly accurate you will see variations of TDC for the throws! I have seen these deviations be as much as .006” when a good grinder will hold dimensions within .001”. <span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, if you are running close squishes…. Measure TDC on #1 and #2 on the four cylinder and #1, #2 and #3 on the 6 motors….. this way to can make sure your throws and TDC’s are spot on.</span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve Yott</span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class="yiv7694931676"><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv7694931676" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Styduhar [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com</a>]<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><b class="yiv7694931676">Sent:</b><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:32 PM<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><b class="yiv7694931676">To:</b><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com</a><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><b class="yiv7694931676">Cc:</b><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charly Mitchel; Steve Yott; Jim Gray; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><b class="yiv7694931676">Subject:</b><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] TR6 Piston / Head Clearance</span></div></div><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv7694931676"><div class="yiv7694931676"><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">My forged pistons are .006" in the hole at TDC and I use a .030" thick solid copper head gasket and stock crank at 6200 rpm. When removing the head, the piston tops are clean in the squish area and it looks like a slight indentation at the ledge of the combustion chamber, probably from piston rock when the engine is cold. </div></div></div><div class="yiv7694931676"><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div><div class="yiv7694931676"><div class="yiv7694931676" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:23 PM,<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com</a><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class="yiv7694931676MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">IN our experience with TR-4, and English Ford Kent<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">racing engines the safe clearance between the head<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">and the piston crown is .035". A TR-4 with billet<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">rods will just "touch" the head at 6800 rpm with<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">.026" clearance. It will "hit" the head hard enough<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">to make an imprint in the piston crown at .029"<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">I would say that the TR-6 crank probably flexes more<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">than a TR-4 does at high rpm. You would like to have<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">a little safety margin, I would think. I would not<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">run less than .035", maybe even a couple more if the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">engine is going to run over 6,000 rpm.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Greg Solow<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">The Engine Room<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Sports Car Specialists<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Santa Cruz, CA 95060<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">831 429-1800<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">------- Original Message -------<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">From : Charly[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">charly@mitchelplumbing.com</a>]<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Sent : 5/25/2016 6:52:35 PM<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">To :<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tr4@wi.rr.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">tr4@wi.rr.com</a>;<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Cc :<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] TR6 Piston / Head Clearance<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"> I tried b u idling a TR6 motor with a pop-up on the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">piston on c e. Instead of having the pistons cut<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">down to zero clearance I left them about .005" high.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">It eventually bent the rod and broken it. The<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">pistons had an imprint of the combustion chamber on<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">them. I learned that at 6000 rpm's, there is<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">enough deflection in the crank to let them hit the head.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">I believe most head gaskets are .0035" aren't they?<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">Charly Mitchel<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">TR6 #44<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none"><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">On Wed 25/05/16 11:31 AM ,<span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>sent:<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> The rattling is likely piston slap on cold forged<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">pistons. Did it go<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> away when it warmed up and came back on the next<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">cold start ?jim<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> -------------------------<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> FROM: "Steve Yott"<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> TO: "Robert Lang" , "FOT List"<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> SENT: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:27:27 AM<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR6 Piston / Head Clearance<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> I doubt that your .030 squish would cause the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">rattling as you<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> describe. The deflection caused by the crank, rod<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">and piston in order<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> to hit the head at .030 would be way up in the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">rpm’s like 8000!<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> Did the rattling go away after all the parts warmed<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">up and oil was<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> well disbursed or is it still rattling? My first<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">guess would be<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> either the engine was not pre-oiled or you have<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">loose piston pin<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> bushings…. Were the rods rebuilt with new bushings<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">fitted to about<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> .0003?<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> Steve Yott<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> FROM: Fot [ mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7694931676" ymailto="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="yiv7694931676Apple-converted-space"> </span>] ON<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">BEHALF OF Robert<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> Lang<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> SENT: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:29 AM<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> TO: FOT List<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR6 Piston / Head Clearance<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> Hi,<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> Where I was going with the query was this: I had a<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">late block<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> "decked" with the intent of making the deck flat.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">The machinist took<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> of .032 to accomplish the goal. With a head gasket<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">installed and the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> head torqued, the clearance in the squish area is .030.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> I had initially wanted only about .025 removed, but<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">we had to shave<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> an extra .007 to get rid of the fire ring cuts.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> On initial startup, the motor sounded like it might<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">be "rattling" and<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> I'm trying to figure out why.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> When I used a stethescope on the block, everything<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">sounds okay - no<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> rapping and the valve train sounds "normal" and<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">there were no weird<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> sounds coming from the crank.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> I guess where I'm going with this is: if piston /<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">head clearance is<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> too tight, I'll see some sort of indication on the<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">piston, right?<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> TIA for any sage advice.<br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">><br class="yiv7694931676" clear="none">> This is my first experience "decking" a block. 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