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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks all for the input and now I’m glad I asked. It looks like Venolia are the favorite with A & E & J & E not far behind. Pretty much anything<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>but the County brand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks again<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jim g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. John Lye<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 4, 2016 7:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com>; Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com>; Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net><br><b>Cc:</b> FOT list <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons. Several years ago, we<o:p></o:p></p><p>did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia. I weighed<o:p></o:p></p><p>them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight. Even<o:p></o:p></p><p>over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very close.<o:p></o:p></p><p>By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot on.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>John<br><br>On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin <<a href="mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=html-message><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what you pay for.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I weighed all my Venolias when I got them new and they were all dead equal; right on their spec.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Happy New Year everyone.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bill</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" title="sjanzen@me.com">Scott Janzen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com" title="spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com">Spitfire Racing</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" title="fot@autox.team.net">FOT list</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- 0.6/1,000 of wear, max. They'll be going back in the engine again with new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.<br>My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Sent from my mobile device <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing <<a href="mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn’t want to “spend that much”. I found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and given how nervous they made me, I don’t think I would do another build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County pistons.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in China but that’s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It’s a false economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in mere minutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don’t assume the one problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ll step off the soap box now!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Choose wisely!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Russ Moore</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Spitfire #49</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Jim Gray<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> 'FOT list'<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons</span><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get an opinion on County pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The last “ rebuild” only lasted minutes on track until it spun a bearing. The pistons were new<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand I’d like to know from the collective<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>if they are descent racing pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks as always,<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim g<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Farchive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fforums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Frjl%40gt-classics.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p><br>--<br>Thanks,<br>John<br><br><br><a href="mailto:rjl@gt-classics.com">rjl@gt-classics.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>