<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>In response to your piston question, nope. Several of us in CVAR still run with 87mm pistons. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Greg<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:47 AM, davehogye <<a href="mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-label="Compose body">Hi Mike,</div><div aria-label="Compose body">That's a tough call. Fortunately for me, I had Greg Solow advising me during my build. When I first checked the protrusion, I had really low measurements along one side of the block. I actually had the block machined on a slight angle to clean it up. That gave me higher protrusion than the .003-.005" spec. at .006-.007". So I think it's better to be on the high side than shorter than .003" of the factory spec.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">If I recall correctly, when I torqued the head without a gasket in place it went to .001" around 40lbs. of torque with the .006-.007" protrusion. So something is squishing or giving quite a bit when the head is getting torqued. </div><div aria-label="Compose body">This is why a torque plate should always to used when the liners are bored. The liners change shape under pressure.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">I wouldn't get too hung up on what is happening with the head on torque measurement, but .008" with the head off seams a little high. But I thought .006-.007" was high too.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">Really, at that point I decided to just put the thing together.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">With the head off, are you still getting .008" protrusion?</div><div aria-label="Compose body">The only reasonable thing you can do to change that, is change the figure 8 or take a little off the top of the liners.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">Perhaps Ken can advice you better than me.</div><div aria-label="Compose body">Man, is everyone using 89mm pistons now? </div><div aria-label="Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label="Compose body">Dave</div><div aria-label="Compose body"><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Michael Moore" <<a href="mailto:mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com">mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Tony Drews" <<a href="mailto:tony@tonydrews.com">tony@tonydrews.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"davehogye" <<a href="mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:18:03 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Fot] Liner Protrusion, TR-4<br><div><br></div>Tony and Dave,<br><div><br></div>This is my first racing engine rebuild (2nd engine rebuild I have ever done), and I am trying to figure out each step as I go, so any advice would really help. I have read Tony's rebuild tips on the web, and Kas books. But it's sometimes hard to put word in correct actions.<br><div><br></div>I am currently fitting new liners I got from ken Knight, I assume these are ones you got Tony.<br><div><br></div>With them held in by bolts and washers torqued to 40lbs I had .007 protrusion, using .015 steel figure 8s, the copper I have are .020, so I assumed too thick.<br><div><br></div>After talking to Mordy Dundst, I put on head without gasket, before tightening I had .008 between deck and head. After tightening to 40lbs I could barely get .003 between head and block. Something doesn't seem right.<br><div><br></div>Can you guys advise on what I am doing wrong, or what I should do?<br><div><br></div><br>Thanks, Mike<br><div><br></div>62 TR4, Race car<br>63 TR4, Street car<br><div><br></div>Mike & Becky Moore<br>6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415<br><div><br></div><a href="mailto:mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com">mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com</a><br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br> <br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Tony Drews<br>Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:13 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion, TR-4<br><div><br></div>Quick question re: liner protrusion in a wet liner engine. My new liners dry fitted with "stock" figure 8 gaskets (0.020" thick) have 0.010" protrusion. Too much, I know. So, I'm going to make my own fig 8 gaskets out of shim stock. I have my choice between 0.015" <br>shim stock and 0.012" shim stock which would give either 0.005" or 0.002" protrusion dry. Any thoughts on which way I should go? I'm assuming that when I put some goo on the fig 8 gaskets to ensure that they seal that I'll get another thou or two protrusion so would go with the 0.012" shim / 0.002" protrusion.<br><div><br></div>I'll be running the Cometic gasket with the fire rings.<br><div><br></div>TIA<br><div><br></div>Cheers, Tony Drews<br><div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><div><br></div><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><div><br></div>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com</a><br><div><br></div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br><span>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a></span><br><span>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a></span><br><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3@icloud.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>