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<DIV><BR></DIV>The nitriding cost (via Dennis Murray of Performance Engine Service in Austin, TX) turned out to be $400 (plus $72 shipping), much less than I expected. Dennis said that was his cost, so perhaps going direct to Mile High Crankshafts in Denver might cost a bit more. Compared to the cost of a forged crank that seems like a helluva deal for the Ford 1500 pre-crossflow race motor I’m building for the Morgan.
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<DIV>On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Brian Schirano <<A href="mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com" target=_blank>bschirano@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_59966>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</DIV>Brian Schirano<BR>585-305-0349 Cell <BR><A href="mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com" target=_blank>BSchirano@yahoo.com</A></DIV><BR>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Duncan Charlton <<A href="mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com" target=_blank>duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Greg Blake <<A href="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" target=_blank>gblake58tr3@icloud.com</A>> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Fot <<A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 11, 2015 9:06 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60032 class=y_msg_container><BR>Dennis sent my Ford 1500 crank to a guy in Colorado for nitriding. He said it would be about $800, including final straightening and grinding to spec (Monday I’ll pick it up and find out what the final cost is).<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Duncan<BR clear=none><BR clear=none><BR clear=none>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Greg Blake <<A href="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" shape=rect target=_blank>gblake58tr3@icloud.com</A>> wrote:<BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>> Sounds like a deal considering what we pay Dennis these days which does not include the nitriding process. <BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>> Can you specify bearing clearances and radius treatment?<BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>> Sent from my iPhone<BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:46 AM, <A href="mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com" shape=rect target=_blank>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</A> wrote:<BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>>> Does anyone have experience with APT nitrided cranks? They list a fully race prepped and nitrided 6 cylinder crank at just under a grand.<BR clear=none>>> Bob Kramer<BR clear=none>>> <A href="mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com" shape=rect target=_blank>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</A><BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>>> ---- Brian Schirano <<A href="mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com" shape=rect target=_blank>bschirano@yahoo.com</A>> wrote: <BR clear=none>>>> 2 Cents from a modest built GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock rods, crank, Good GP3 cam, etc). Russ's comments are dead on - building the car is one expense, racing it is a recurring one and his estimate of $1000 per event is good. So build in margin of safety in the motor (and other components) where you can.<BR clear=none>>>> aluminum flywheel and clutch & PP I went to Ted Shumaker, TSI - TS Imports<BR clear=none>>>> RE the rods - at the time of my first (only) rebuild a couple years ago I couldn't afford carrillos or Pauters, but did spend some long green on nitriding and polishing the crank, balancing everything, and of course the ARP hardware everywhere that counts . My car is NOT a high rev machine, I self limit at 6200 - 6300 RPM and it seems all the straights are uphill so she never redlines there anywise!<BR clear=none>>>> So to me, it can be done, but has to be consistent with the rest of your build. my next build will be a higher CR and hotter cam, so will be upgrading rods, and pistons as well. But the first build was built conservative for longevity.<BR clear=none>>>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano<BR clear=none>>>> 585-305-0349 Cell <BR clear=none>>>> <A href="mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com" shape=rect target=_blank>BSchirano@yahoo.com</A><BR clear=none>>>> From: Spitfire Racing <<A href="mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com" shape=rect target=_blank>spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</A>><BR clear=none>>>> To: 'Jamie' <<A href="mailto:tr6driver@yahoo.com" shape=rect target=_blank>tr6driver@yahoo.com</A>>; 'McKearn McKearn' <<A href="mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com" shape=rect target=_blank>mckearn2@gmail.com</A>> <BR clear=none>>>> Cc: 'FOT list' <<A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A>><BR clear=none>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:02 AM<BR clear=none>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> A properly built and modified race engine represents a mighty investment not<BR clear=none>>>> only of dollars but of time. Is that really where you want to pinch pennies?<BR clear=none>>>> After all, with the exception of pistons and crank that is one of the<BR clear=none>>>> primary components and all it takes is one piece inside an engine to reduce<BR clear=none>>>> all your work and investment to nothing more than scrap metal. One seized<BR clear=none>>>> valve, or substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn't take much.<BR clear=none>>>> Realize all the ancillary invested expenditures that are also at risk like a<BR clear=none>>>> weekend's entry fee you lose in an engine failure; the cost of time off from<BR clear=none>>>> work to go to a race weekend; the cost of food and lodging for the race<BR clear=none>>>> outing and the cost of just getting there. When asked, I usually advise<BR clear=none>>>> folks to figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum when you roll all in.<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> A number of racers have run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill and these<BR clear=none>>>> do present a less expensive alternative. I had the opportunity to rebuild an<BR clear=none>>>> engine last year with Pauter rods and they were quite substantial and were<BR clear=none>>>> well designed, constructed and balanced. Personally I have seen far too many<BR clear=none>>>> Chinese knock-offs; reproductions (call them what you will), that fail to<BR clear=none>>>> come close to the parts they try to mimic. <BR clear=none>>>> I suggest you perhaps delay your build until your war chest allows for top<BR clear=none>>>> quality internals. Do it once and do it right the first time and reduce the<BR clear=none>>>> potential for disappointing expensive disaster.<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> Russ Moore<BR clear=none>>>> Spitfire #49<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR clear=none>>>> From: Fot [mailto:<A href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</A>] On Behalf Of Jamie<BR clear=none>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM<BR clear=none>>>> To: McKearn McKearn<BR clear=none>>>> Cc: FOT list<BR clear=none>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> Although I was initially very wary, they have worked well for over 1,000<BR clear=none>>>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> Jamie Palmer<BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <<A href="mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com" shape=rect target=_blank>mckearn2@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR clear=none>>>>> <BR clear=none>>>>> Hi Gents.<BR clear=none>>>>> I am looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting rods for GT6.<BR clear=none>>>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping these are good. Also am still<BR clear=none>>>> searching for an aluminum flywheel without having something custom made. and<BR clear=none>>>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . Lets call it a race<BR clear=none>>>> car for the sake of argument....<BR clear=none>>>>> Thanks. P.J.<BR clear=none>>>>> _______________________________________________<BR clear=none>>>>> <A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR clear=none>>>>> <BR clear=none>>>>> <A href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.fot-racing.com</A><BR clear=none>>>>> <BR clear=none>>>>> Donate: <A href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/donate.html</A><BR clear=none>>>>> Archive: <A href="http://www.team.net/archive" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/archive</A><BR clear=none>>>>> Forums: <A href="http://www.team.net/forums" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/forums</A><BR clear=none>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:<BR clear=none>>>> <A href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver@yahoo.com" shape=rect target=_blank>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver@yahoo.com</A><BR clear=none>>>> _______________________________________________<BR clear=none>>>> <A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> <A href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.fot-racing.com</A><BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> Donate: <A href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/donate.html</A><BR clear=none>>>> Archive: <A href="http://www.team.net/archive" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/archive</A><BR clear=none>>>> Forums: <A href="http://www.team.net/forums" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/forums</A><BR clear=none>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:<BR clear=none>>>> <A href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com" shape=rect target=_blank>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</A><BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> _______________________________________________<BR clear=none>>>> <A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> <A href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.fot-racing.com</A><BR clear=none>>>> <BR clear=none>>>> Donate: <A href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/donate.html</A><BR clear=none>>>> Archive: <A href="http://www.team.net/archive" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/archive</A><BR clear=none>>>> Forums: <A href="http://www.team.net/forums" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/forums</A><BR clear=none>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: <A href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano@yahoo.com" shape=rect target=_blank>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano@yahoo.com</A><BR clear=none>>> _______________________________________________<BR clear=none>>> <A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>>> <A href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.fot-racing.com</A><BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>>> Donate: <A href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/donate.html</A><BR clear=none>>> Archive: <A href="http://www.team.net/archive" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/archive</A><BR clear=none>>> Forums: <A href="http://www.team.net/forums" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/forums</A><BR clear=none>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: <A href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3@icloud.com" shape=rect target=_blank>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3@icloud.com</A><BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>>> <BR clear=none>> _______________________________________________<BR clear=none>> <A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" shape=rect target=_blank>fot@autox.team.net</A><BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>> <A href="http://www.fot-racing.com/" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.fot-racing.com</A><BR clear=none>> <BR clear=none>> Donate: <A href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/donate.html</A><BR clear=none>> Archive: <A href="http://www.team.net/archive" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/archive</A><BR clear=none>> Forums: <A href="http://www.team.net/forums" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.team.net/forums</A><BR clear=none>> Unsubscribe/Manage: <A href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com" shape=rect target=_blank>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</A>
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