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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To answer some of your questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Would lower oil temps stops ‘gear teeth breaking off’ Short answer NO. However, you should look at the differential as a complete system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you had tooth failure It could be due to a number of things: -<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Long Term Use/Operation Fatigue Failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>High instantaneous/shock loading Failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Improper backlash/clearances – Causing Tooth Failure as a result of incorrect tooth loading<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Improper lubrication/type/grade/flow/level/operating temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The beauty of synthetic oils is that it allows the system to run at MUCH lower temperatures (And operate at higher temps of course) as a direct result of the synthetic oil being able to FLOW/POUR with less resistance. Just like mixing a cake! The thicker the mix, the higher the work load required to mix, the more friction, the hotter the mixing temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The other side of the coin, in general, Synthetic is that is has LESS mechanical dampening for high shock loading than traditional mineral based oils for the same grade product. Even on synthetic engine oils you will see description such as ‘made for modern/tight clearances’ etc. etc. Reduced operating clearances and high oil shearing applications etc. is synthetics domain.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, when you look at the system as a whole. YES, it’s important to have the oil in its optimum temperature range. BUT all the other factors are equally important. The oil is not mutually exclusive in the equation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen@me.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 July 2015 4:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vucinic<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Jason Ostrowski'; ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower temps help? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I run Redline synthetic. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><br><br><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With the diff ‘tucked up’ and limited air flow. You are starting with a problem before you start!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!"</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter Vucinic</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com/">http://www.fot-racing.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Donate:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Archive:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Forums:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Scott Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Jason Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Friends of Triumph' Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff any good.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I agree that it is consumable.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recommends.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus to smooth transition between the gears.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>And really important is super smooth take-offs.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with me most of the time.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>He is never afraid to remind me of this.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>something like....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>or "Easy take off".<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the track.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Friendly Ghost Racing <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <<a href="mailto:sjanzen@me.com" target="_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'>Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger? 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