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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Removed my MSD and recieved the bonus of weight reduction. Engine didn't seem to miss it. I think their real benefit is only realized with a forced induction setup, so far not legal for vintage. <BR> <BR>Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net; fot@autox.team.net<br>Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:39:49 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box<br>From: fot@autox.team.net<br><br>
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%). </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of MSD</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, which are just great and run like a clock all the time.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Cheers!</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>AlexCamoletti</span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>De la part de</b> Jim Gray via Fot<br><b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08<br><b>À :</b> fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>We had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in Colorado. “</span><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies” </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>We didn’t move the timing light sensor wire around though.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and decided it wasn’t going to get fixed at that moment.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Dan, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the hood came back up while it was running.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>The distributor cap didn’t get put back on and it was running! The cap wasn’t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot away and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had told me that story and I hadn’t seen it for myself I would have called BS.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>All I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of order that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>As far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #’s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to me.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and MSD equipped car ( if that’s what your using ) I never did. MSD say’s no. I had to go back to </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence the dual spark up to 3K rpm.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>The point I’m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box since we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>jim g</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: navy; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p><div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span lang="EN-US"><hr width="100%" size="2" align="center"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> don@dcphotos.com; FOT@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4. Drove us nuts until we tried a new box. They will repair it very cheaply as I recall. </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??</span></p><div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentColor currentColor currentColor blue; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 2pt;"><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: don--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>To: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: [Fot] MSD box</span></p><div id="ecxAOLMsgPart_1.2_23cfa6ad-ff53-4d62-a2a3-4c67065df8b1"><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>This Spitfire that was “pawned” off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box in it. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 </span><span lang="EN-US" style='background: white; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>°</span><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>BTDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>on the #4 wire. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all over the place, them seem to settle down to 15°btdc </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>and then goes crazy again, settles down. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answers here. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Don </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>(512)-680-3540 </span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div></div><div id="ecxAOLMsgPart_2_43c29e9d-27d5-494f-9f43-6078f975d049"><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;">_______________________________________________</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;">Donate:</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;">Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;">Forums:</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;">Unsubscribe/Manage:</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve%40aol.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com</a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________
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