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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The stude V8 oil burning was primarily due to valve
guide</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>seals that hardened and disintegrated. The
6's due to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>slop in the valve guile area and too much oil in
the lifter valleys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>engine kits for the 6's came with a strip of spring
steel to restrict</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>oil to that lifter valley. Stude V8's
consistently put way too much</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>oil to the rockers, unlike most of our tractor
motors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The overdrives were pretty darn nice. my '62
stude pickup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>has a small V8 and overdrive and works very
well. hope to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>someday have occasion to tow a TR race car to
a race.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Studes were noted for strong engines,
rust, rattles,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and oil leaks - makes them a very large
Triumph with a </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>good electrical system!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>art de armond</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=budscars@comcast.net href="mailto:budscars@comcast.net">RACER BUD</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spreiss@verizon.net
href="mailto:spreiss@verizon.net">Steven Preiss</A> ; <A
title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I
think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were
literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the cars that
added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=spreiss@verizon.net href="mailto:spreiss@verizon.net">Steven
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a
Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited
from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on one or
another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The
cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red
with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always
seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of way. A buddy of
theirs had what they referred to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was
actually a small dairy farm<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>, the main
pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in
from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by side around the
perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and projects. Martin
was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of carpet
"chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. He also was the first in our
group of carpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides down
narrow curving residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One striking
characteristic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a little toggle
switch always placed inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their
propensity for burning oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar
friend. Which leads me to the point. Whether a result of
unintentional poor' design or intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were
always kept in the trunks of the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive
motor oil, giving true meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested
Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">EDWARD BARNARD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ehusmann53@yahoo.com
href="mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com">ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=dkettler@tcbi.com
href="mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com">dkettler@tcbi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP.
A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does stand for
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it standing
for Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company did tie
their name to the product for a short time until Andy G. took over.
But, the Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a
spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R.
department, they have the longest commercial endorse in history.
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<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David
<SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Fot]
Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: "FOT"
<fot@autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date:
Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP = Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know
the "true" side of the story?
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car
show we had.
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