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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=453361822-02102008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Was it wheel barrows before the covered wagons?
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=453361822-02102008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> fot-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>DANNY D
FORGEY<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B> triumph
fot<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Studebaker stories<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Real vintage Studebaker. While doing geologic mapping in the
White-Inyo Mountains in California, we used an abandoned mining cabin,
circa 1900, as a base camp. So remote that it was unmolested by
thieves and still had a relic Studebaker Wheelbarrow along with other
items that were left there. I understand that Mr. Studebaker got his start
making wheelbarrows.<BR> <BR>We left it as we found it but would be
surprised if is still in the same condition today. <BR> <BR>Dan
Forgey<BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>From: westerneagleracing@att.net<BR>To: budscars@comcast.net<BR>Date: Thu, 2
Oct 2008 19:12:42 +0000<BR>CC: fot@autox.team.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot]
Studebaker stories<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Bud,</DIV>
<DIV>In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) in 55
they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly restyled and
given various Hawk names.</DIV>
<DIV>It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker lovers as
well.</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I am forwarding
it to my Newsletter Group</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rjohns@woh.rr.com href="mailto:rjohns@woh.rr.com">Robert Johns</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=budscars@comcast.net
href="mailto:budscars@comcast.net">RACER BUD</A> ; <A
title=spreiss@verizon.net href="mailto:spreiss@verizon.net">Steven
Preiss</A> ; <A title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Studebaker stories</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>All right guys, you have done it. I am going to
have to tell you my tale of woe. Visualize this! I was attending
the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in 1956.
After we attended classes, they grouped us in classes (more like bunches) to
do some racing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>After Studebaker had merged with Packard, they built a
variation of the Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the day.
What did I know of such things? I was stuck in Europe at the
time. Guess what they stuck in the class with me, one of these
monsters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Off we went, racing our little hearts
out. Me in my little TR2, the Stude (model?) Hawk, and several
more interesting pieces of iron. That Stude would blow my doors
off going down the straight and I would pass him on the next set of
curves. Back and forth we went, and I think I finally got far enough
ahead of him that he didn't catch me again. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Speaking of interesting iron. That race was
my first and only experience of running against a genuine Austin Healy
S (not M, but S). They were not many built, and the Importer for
Switzerland had this one, and it ran very well, with its cross flow
head and lots of tricks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Any ways, that is my Studebaker story.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bob Johns</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=budscars@comcast.net href="mailto:budscars@comcast.net">RACER
BUD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spreiss@verizon.net
href="mailto:spreiss@verizon.net">Steven Preiss</A> ; <A
title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008
9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think
53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were
literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby
promoting a movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one
of the cars that added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=spreiss@verizon.net href="mailto:spreiss@verizon.net">Steven
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008
2:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of my neighborhood friends growing up
was a Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt
inherited from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on
one or another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The
cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red
with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs,
always seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of
way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred to as
'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy farm<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>, the main pasture of which was lined with
over 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in from all over the
countryside and carefully placed side by side around the perimeter,
providing an endless supply of parts and projects. Martin was a
somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of carpet
"chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. He also was the first in
our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides
down narrow curving residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One
striking characteristic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a
little toggle switch always placed inconspicuously under the dash.
Another was their propensity for burning oil, which meant that the
dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads me to the point.
Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or intentional
daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of the
cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving true
meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
href="mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net">EDWARD BARNARD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ehusmann53@yahoo.com
href="mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com">ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=dkettler@tcbi.com
href="mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com">dkettler@tcbi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, 2008
3:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group
question</DIV>
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about
STP. A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning
has revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does
stand for Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference
to it standing for Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true.
The company did tie their name to the product for a short time
until Andy G. took over. But, the Wiki reference to King Richard
no longer being a spokeperson for the company is false.
According to the P.R. department, they have the longest
commercial endorse in history. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David
<SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Fot]
Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc:
"FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>,
edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date: Tuesday, September 30,
2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP = Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know
the "true" side of the story?
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car
show we had.
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