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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I understand the intent....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>When I went through my drivers school in a vintage race
group, the understanding was that you "drove the line". If someone wanted
to pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe
pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Or is responsibility not a word to mention in this
forum?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>One of the other racers shared an anecdote of "moving off
line" to allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after that session
and give him a new oriface for violating the basic rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>When I was active in Vintage I was in a close cockpit car
(Mini Cooper S) so giving hand signals was difficult. But my
expectation was that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car should use
that information in order to make a safe pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I guess it's something that needs to be discussed with each
vintage group and a consensus formed before racers go on track. If the
rule is "stay on the line" then one set of rule apply. If it's "if
you're not at speed pick a different line" that also needs to be agreed before
cars hit the track.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It all comes down to communication.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dallas</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484395603-26092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>too many toys, not enough $$$</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> fot-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Babcock<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
britbits@netzero.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'FOT'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding
Brakes, dangerous driving<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in the "douchebag's
position before, when some guy traveling at a speed that did NOT NEED to be at
the line, pointed me by while I was traveling at full chat--and pointed me into
a place I did not want to go. So my question is, if you
were traveling that slowly, why were you "pretty close to the line"?
The line is where you need to be when you need to be there, in other words, when
you are at speed and it's the only safe way through a corner. If you are <SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline">driving</SPAN> to the
line, you don't need to be there. If the line is the only place that the laws of
physics permit your car to be, then you do. </DIV>
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<DIV>There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting "if you are not
at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago this guy who drove a car
at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I always passed him so closely. I, and
the entire race group, generally lapped him at least twice, sometimes three
times. He was driving the line, precisely. Just where his driving instructor
told him to drive. And he never deviated from the line. I considered him the
most dangerous thing I would encounter in any day on the the track. I was
thrilled when he quit "racing". In contrast, when you come up on a gaggle of
FV's battling it out, they might be 20 MPH slower than you, but they need to be
where they are. Nothing but respect for that, lift and
wait. </DIV>
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<DIV>If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only safe path
through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up behind you can't tuck in
behind and wait for you to finish a corner--they'd have to stand on their brakes
to do that, and that's dangerous in any racing condition. As Burt Levy might
say, the other driver was to blame, but you are responsible. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows with picnics.
Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed you don't belong
anywhere near the racing line. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Steven,<BR><BR>Unfortunately they use the "r" word when describing
vintage events... so<BR>some of the "kids" who loved Pole Position or the
different PC games feel<BR>they need to drive like a jerk to be a "racer".
Or maybe they saw "Days of<BR>Thunder" once too often ;)<BR><BR>Aside
from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's probably not a bad idea to<BR>install
an in car camera. Next time.. grab an official and show them
the<BR>video. It's kind of hard to argue against a
video.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Jim<BR>Dallas<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
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On<BR>Behalf Of Steven Belfer<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:24
PM<BR>To: FOT<BR>Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous
driving<BR><BR>Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two weekends
ago I raced at<BR>Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new brakes that needed
bedding. This meant I<BR>needed to heat up my brakes in the first
practice session, let them cool so<BR>I could have good braking power for the
rest of the weekend. I was in the<BR>first group so at 8:30am, I told
the proper official-type guys what I needed<BR>to do and started in the back.
I'm also running a fresh engine and feeling<BR>that out as well.
Anyway, after about 3 or 4 laps I'm just about done<BR>bedding the
brakes and I'm about to get lapped. This is the first
"Warm-up"<BR>session of the weekend. A red 2002 is approaching me and I
waved him to the<BR>left and moved to the right a little bit, while staying
pretty close to the<BR>line. Next thing I know the guy is passing me on
the right ON THE DIRT at<BR>full speed. He re-entered the track, got a little
squirrelly, threw some<BR>rocks onto my car and kept going. This guy was
racing hard with a yellow<BR>P1800 and not letting up one bit. He didn't
want to sacrifice his lap time<BR>when overtaking me. The level of
aggression took me by surprise and made me<BR>angry. It was, after all
the morning warm-up and I truly did my best to get<BR>my job done safely and
get off <BR>the race track. I tell my friends and family,
when they ask if it's <BR>dangerous, "You see, it's a gentlemen's sport
and there's no prize money."<BR>I would say that most of the drivers are safe
and respectful of their<BR>machines and their abilities but all it takes is
one douchebag move and<BR>you're in big
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