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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=4>I resemble that
remark!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Jeff Snook<BR></FONT><A
href="http://www.snooksdreamcars.com"><FONT
size=4>www.snooksdreamcars.com</FONT></A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kaskas@cox.net href="mailto:kaskas@cox.net">Kas Kastner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Gt6steve@aol.com
href="mailto:Gt6steve@aol.com">Gt6steve@aol.com</A> ; <A
title=budscars@comcast.net
href="mailto:budscars@comcast.net">budscars@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=Billb@bnj.com href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com">Billb@bnj.com</A> ; <A
title=standardtriumph@btinternet.com
href="mailto:standardtriumph@btinternet.com">standardtriumph@btinternet.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> ; <A
title=bdischer@blakedischer.com
href="mailto:bdischer@blakedischer.com">bdischer@blakedischer.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] CAR RACING &
DEATH</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>If you start thinking about death and racing at the same
time you had best take up another sport like snooker.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Gt6steve@aol.com
href="mailto:Gt6steve@aol.com">Gt6steve@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=budscars@comcast.net
href="mailto:budscars@comcast.net">budscars@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=Billb@bnj.com href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com">Billb@bnj.com</A> ; <A
title=standardtriumph@btinternet.com
href="mailto:standardtriumph@btinternet.com">standardtriumph@btinternet.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> ; <A
title=bdischer@blakedischer.com
href="mailto:bdischer@blakedischer.com">bdischer@blakedischer.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008
6:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] CAR RACING &
DEATH</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi Bud,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I assume your diatribe is colored with liquor as is my response.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We all know in the backs of our minds that death is a reasonable
possibility in our game. Worse than that, debilitating injury,
IMHO. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nonetheless, we endure, do all we can to improve our chances and try
not to face it with ourselves or our families. But it is there.
It could happen. We don't want it to happen but it could. Our
wives have already thought this through and seen the possibilities.
They still support our crazy assed efforts to win. So are we lesser
than they? Maybe we're better at rationalizing...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Still, we'll all be pulling on the nomex and denying that it could
happen to us while our wives know full well what is at stake.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So do we quit racing and take up backgammon? Some will, most
won't. We are a kind of warrior and we can't leave that. We'll
just leave homage to our brethren, clash shields and move on...Steve</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/24/2008 6:11:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
budscars@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Gang....Here It Is.......Straight Out....CAR RACING
AND DEATH....I've kept kinda' Quiet about the subject
..Regarding Deaths in Vintage Racing...and have Layed Back and
contemplated things as I've read the numerous
emails......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The Essence of Race Driving is to go as fast as we can
to win!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Some of us will die doing that.....That's just the way
it is....That's REALLY the way it is.!.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Vintage...Who the heck knows who's driving over their
heads or not?...No Way To Tell.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Racer Bud's Conclusion..I.f the word DANGER creeps
into your mind very often..DO NOT RACE....... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Racer Bud..Spitfire #21</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/24/2008 6:11:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
budscars@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Gang....Here It Is.......Straight Out....CAR RACING
AND DEATH....I've kept kinda' Quiet about the subject
..Regarding Deaths in Vintage Racing...and have Layed Back and
contemplated things as I've read the numerous
emails......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The Essence of Race Driving is to go as fast as we can
to win!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Some of us will die doing that.....That's just the way
it is....That's REALLY the way it is.!.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Vintage...Who the heck knows who's driving over their
heads or not?...No Way To Tell.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Racer Bud's Conclusion..I.f the word DANGER creeps
into your mind very often..DO NOT RACE....... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Racer Bud..Spitfire #21</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:Billb@bnj.com href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com">Bill
Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:standardtriumph@btinternet.com
href="mailto:standardtriumph@btinternet.com">John Macartney</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=mailto:fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A> ; <A
title=mailto:bdischer@blakedischer.com
href="mailto:bdischer@blakedischer.com">bdischer@blakedischer.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008
5:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] VTR &
FoT</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not
to. Personally, the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones
that have a bar, a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in
my case that's the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment
here in Portland), and the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a
claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants
about parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a
quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I always thought the VTR existed to document the provenance
(however modest) of cars. The rest seems kind of ancillary. It's not the
cars that are diminishing, it's the members--if nothing else they are
kicking the bucket. No disrespect meant for those that love their clubs,
but unless these clubs get a lot more interesting, and figure out
ways to get the self-important twinkies to shut up, there won't be
critical mass of people younger than 60 taking part. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--<B>perish the
thought</B>. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Andy Mace wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>This does raise an
interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we
could become some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of
VTR?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like
this, essentially summarised as follows:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph
(or Standard) and because of that, there should be room in your local
or national club to accommodate your usage preference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and
current owners are getting older. This largely explains the diminution
of club memberships</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive
their enthusiast custodians and will need to have 'a
home'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this
- and its my perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do
this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and
custodian base is so small that clubs as they currently stand will
probably not be viable as heretofore. This begs the
question</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>6. What plans are national clubs making to address
that inevitable eventuality?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially
'grow club membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive
are already known. Barn-Finds will become ever more
infrequent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>With regard to point 6, my perception of the
evidence as it relates to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is
"nothing at all." Additionally, for as long as clubs and others
continue to provide 'free' technical information on "How to .....?"
projects via the internet, clubs will continue to diminish in
size.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Rant off</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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