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<DIV>Bill Babcock wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to. Personally,
the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that have a bar, a
restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case that's the
Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in Portland), and the
ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets
up at every meeting and rants about parliamentary procedure and
whether or not they have a quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hey, Bill - we've got twinkies like that in the UK too! I
refer to them as paid up members of "The Chipping Sodbury Dynamo and Starter
Motor Appreciation Society" </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--<B>perish the
thought</B>. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, it's come to my notice over the years via this
list that the VTR isn't always the most popular with certain individuals,
and in a democracy everyone should be able to speak their mind. However as I
don't want to get involved in the whys or wherefores, I'll try to keep foot out
of mouth. If FoT is happy on its own then fine, if FoT feels association with a
national or local club is desirable, that's fine as well. In the UK, the Triumph
racing fraternity usually belong to one of two national clubs (Triumph Sports
Six and/or TR Register) but because that's the way we do it here, doesn't
mean North America should copy.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Perhaps its time for me to go into the fallout
shelter.......</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Andy Mace wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>This does raise
an interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we could
become some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of VTR?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like this,
essentially summarised as follows:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or
Standard) and because of that, there should be room in your local or
national club to accommodate your usage preference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and
current owners are getting older. This largely explains the diminution of
club memberships</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive their
enthusiast custodians and will need to have 'a home'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this - and
its my perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and
custodian base is so small that clubs as they currently stand will probably
not be viable as heretofore. This begs the question</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>6. What plans are national clubs making to address that
inevitable eventuality?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially 'grow
club membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive are already
known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>With regard to point 6, my perception of the evidence as
it relates to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at
all." Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to provide
'free' technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the internet,
clubs will continue to diminish in size.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Rant off</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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