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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I recall from another article, the ethanol is
mixed at the distributors, more or less at the end of the pipeline. I
think it had something to do with the ethanol not being good in the
pipeline. Plus, I think most of the ethanol plants are near the corn
(upper midwest and great plains states) and it wouldn't seem to make sense to
ship it to the refiners and then back north and east. It has been a pretty
large expense for the distributors to store and mix the ethanol as I
understand.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
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<A title=Billb@bnj.com href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com">Bill Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=timmurph@fastbytes.com
href="mailto:timmurph@fastbytes.com">Tim Murphy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=britbits@netzero.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] gasoline
comparison</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>And there's an ethanol shortage, that won't go away for a long
time. <BR>
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<DIV>On Sep 14, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Murphy wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>As of September 1, 2008 all gasoline must have 10% ethanol by Federal
<BR>mandate. So I was told by a Mobil distributor. As always, a
really well <BR>thought out Federal mandate. At the same time they
raise the CAFE standards <BR>they lower the MPG by mandating ethanol.
There was also a bill in Congress <BR>to increase the mandated
percentage of ethanol. Guess which lobbying group <BR>was pushing that
bill?<BR><BR>Tim<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Jim" <<A
href="mailto:britbits@netzero.com">britbits@netzero.com</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:08 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline
comparison<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">When MBTE was first proposed as an additive the
local Triumph club <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">president<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">did a bit of investigation.. according to what
he'd come up with the MBTE<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">mix was designed for catalyst equipped cars... for
non-catalyst equipped<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">cars (the bulk of the Triumphs) the incompletely
burned emissions were<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">actually worse for the environment.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Just another example of poorly researched
"science" being foisted on the<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">American public. Don't get me started on the
R-12 vs R-134 bs.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Cheers,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Jim<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Dallas<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [<A
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On<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Behalf Of Randall<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:02
PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">To: <A
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline
comparison<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Helps the emissions (as the MTBE was supposed to
do also!).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Don't kid yourself. For anything made in the
last 20 years or so, it does<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">absolutely nothing for emissions, as the computer
just tweaks the mixture<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">richer to compensate for the "oxygenated"
fuel.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">For most cars made before 1970 or so, it does make
them run leaner, which<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">does reduce tailpipe emissions.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">But that leaves an awful lot of cars in between
with fixed mixtures that<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">were already tuned lean running on pure gasoline.
And it only takes one <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">of<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">them pushed into lean misfire under cruise
conditions, to emit more<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">pollution than the oxygenate could reduce in
hundreds of pre-computer <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">cars.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Of course eventually they'll burn up the valves
and so on, but you'd be<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">surprised at the number of them still running
around here. And remember,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">these are the only cars where oxygenated fuel is
supposed to reduce<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">emissions at all.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">And of course for Triumphs, we just adjust the
mixture to suit the fuel, <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">so<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">it does no good at all.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Randall in the PRC (People's Republic of
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