<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Incidentally, if you really want a headache, try to figure out the price of fuel ethanol. What a convoluted mess that is. The feds supply a nice subsidy, but they pay it to the buyer (the oil companies) and theoretically that gets reflected back to the market price, though how that could happen in a competitive market escapes me. Essentially it LOOKS to me like ethanol is cheaper than finished gasoline if it shows up at the refinery for 2.70 or less. The subsidy looks to be about $.03 per mixed gallon of fuel or roughly $.30 per gallon of ethanol if it's 10 percent, I think. I need to go ask my economist friend to step me though the math and all the wiggle words. <div><br></div><div>Rack fuel ethanol prices are quoted by state, but there aren't any refineries that I know of in Minnesota. Do they mix the fuel in tanks in each state? or do they really ship it to the refinery? Local mixing makes sense, but I stopped expecting things to make sense a long time ago, especially when government regulation and subsidies get added to the mix. </div><div><br></div><div>Can't help but think the market would have done all this with much greater efficiency. <br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 14, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Gasket Works USA wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">It is intetersting... My wife has made a buisiness plan for a micro dairy (goat milk). The current trend to develop locally grown food stuffs is becoming more intriguing for a host of reasons. There are many articles in the NY times, WSJ and such. Between our neighbor and us we have about 10 goats milked twice daily. Our good producers make 8+ lbs of milk a day. Most make 1/2 that. The assorted milk products include yogurt, Feta and hard cheese (although these are much harder to make). Many of our friends trade home grown produce for whole raw milk, or pasturized milk. </font></div><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">So, sky photons come down and allow the the chloroplasts to convert some green house Gases (CO2) to sugars and cellulose. the Goats eat the converted photons and make milk. The milk is then converted to Feta and the byproduct is fermented to make alcohol eventually and they cycle continues. </font></div><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">Oh, The whey protein is not bad stuff it may look greenish but, tastes good. Organic growers like this stuff for its nitrogen content.....fertilizer. </font></div><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">Proud owner of 1979 Peugeot diesel that can run on 100 biodiesel from Waste Taco VEgie oil. 40mpg easy.</font></div><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">I put on extra large rolling radius tires to keep the Rpms low and short shift. Slow but, oh so much fun. Oh, and btw.. verrry comfortable suspension. </font></div><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"> </font></div><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">Proud owner of 2008 Honda GX CNG 30-40mpg equiv. ( I wish lived in UTAh... CNG about .070cents/Gallon Equiv there)</font></div><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0">Pickens maybe biased but, I like him. </font></div><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000" letterspacing="0" kerning="0"><br></font>_______________________________________________<br><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br><br>Fot mailing list<br>Fot@autox.team.net<br>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot<br><br></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(118, 15, 79); font-size: 16px; ">Bill Babcock</span></div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Babcock & Jenkins</div><div><a href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com">Billb@bnj.com</a></div><div>503.936.7660</div><div><a href="http://www.bnj.com">www.bnj.com</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">Editor</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">Ke Nalu e-Magazine</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><i>Paddlesurfing's Web Journal</i></span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><i><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></i></span></font></div><div><a href="mailto:Bill@kenalu.com">Bill@kenalu.com</a></div><div><a href="http://www.kenalu.com">www.kenalu.com</a></div><div>blog: <a href="http://www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog">www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br></div></div></body></html>