<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">And there's an ethanol shortage, that won't go away for a long time. <br><div><div>On Sep 14, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Murphy wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>As of September 1, 2008 all gasoline must have 10% ethanol by Federal <br>mandate. So I was told by a Mobil distributor. As always, a really well <br>thought out Federal mandate. At the same time they raise the CAFE standards <br>they lower the MPG by mandating ethanol. There was also a bill in Congress <br>to increase the mandated percentage of ethanol. Guess which lobbying group <br>was pushing that bill?<br><br>Tim<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Jim" <<a href="mailto:britbits@netzero.com">britbits@netzero.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:08 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">When MBTE was first proposed as an additive the local Triumph club <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">president<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">did a bit of investigation.. according to what he'd come up with the MBTE<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">mix was designed for catalyst equipped cars... for non-catalyst equipped<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cars (the bulk of the Triumphs) the incompletely burned emissions were<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">actually worse for the environment.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Just another example of poorly researched "science" being foisted on the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">American public. Don't get me started on the R-12 vs R-134 bs.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jim<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dallas<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Behalf Of Randall<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:02 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Helps the emissions (as the MTBE was supposed to do also!).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Don't kid yourself. For anything made in the last 20 years or so, it does<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">absolutely nothing for emissions, as the computer just tweaks the mixture<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">richer to compensate for the "oxygenated" fuel.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">For most cars made before 1970 or so, it does make them run leaner, which<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">does reduce tailpipe emissions.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But that leaves an awful lot of cars in between with fixed mixtures that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">were already tuned lean running on pure gasoline. And it only takes one <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them pushed into lean misfire under cruise conditions, to emit more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pollution than the oxygenate could reduce in hundreds of pre-computer <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cars.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Of course eventually they'll burn up the valves and so on, but you'd be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">surprised at the number of them still running around here. And remember,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">these are the only cars where oxygenated fuel is supposed to reduce<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">emissions at all.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And of course for Triumphs, we just adjust the mixture to suit the fuel, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">so<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">it does no good at all.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Randall in the PRC (People's Republic of California)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Fot mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Fot@autox.team.net">Fot@autox.team.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">____________________________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">See the Internet how it was meant to be seen with Cable Internet. 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