<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">"Advantaged", by the way, also means lap times, so if someone was blowing the chicane every lap to gain time they would be black flagged or penalized. Also, the rules vary, but in most amateur racing if you run two or four wheels off the racing circuit you might be warned once and black flagged the next time. Blowing the chicane is running off the racing circuit. The pro rules are a little different in wording but identical in intent--it's okay to blow a chicane or run off the racing surface as long as you don't gain advantage from it. <div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yup, that is absolutely true. That is NOT an interpretation. That is the rule. Everywhere. <div><br></div><div>Some chicanes used to have gravel traps in them to eliminate that "benefit" but most have been replaced with pavement to reduce the yellow flags caused by cars stuck in a dangerous position. If you blow the chicane you can't rejoin in an advantaged position, and you have to make sure you rejoin the race safely. In general it's slower to comply with all that than it is to remain on the racing circuit. </div><div><br></div><div>But that is the rule. <br><div><br><div><div>On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Joe Curry wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>So, lets see if I understand all this.<br><br>1. The chicane is there to slow down the cars for safety reasons<br>2. It is a penalty for shortcutting the chicane, but only if you pass a car<br>when doing so.<br>3. It is OK to shortcut the chicane if you ease up a bit to let the car you<br>passed get back ahead of you.<br><br><br>Seems to me that under that interpretation you could run straight through<br>the chicane on every lap without a problem as long as you don't pass anyone<br>in the process.<br><br>Joe<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a> [<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On<br>Behalf Of David W. Riddle<br>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:46 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition<br><br>There is. They have a rule that if you short cut a chicane/corner <br>and gain an advantage you have to let the other car back in <br>front. Lewis did that.<br><br>One of the videos I sent early showed Shumi shortcutting that same <br>chicane in 2006 in a battle with De La Rosa in the McLaren and NOT <br>letting De La Rose in front. No penalty to Shumi.<br><br>A "Tire wall" behind the kerbs would make every race a processional <br>race like Monaco.<br><br>At 09:35 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Be that as it is, there needs to be something that keeps people from<br></blockquote>gaining<br><blockquote type="cite">advantage by running off the course. 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