From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Thu May  8 06:47:06 2025
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 08:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1296 header...searching
Message-ID: <CAC5qWeDXbBjzTA+j6dUMrvC4EftgnXcyG++LfLwUxP5ugRPNPA@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

Moving up from the 1147 to a 1296 this summer.  I know this is a long
shot....but does anyone have a spare 1296 header sitting on their parts
shelf?

Joe, have you built any from the Stahl jigs lately?

Also, will be moving the 1147.  Lots of good internals, Venolia, Carrillo,
Calico, Shaftec.  If anyone is interested, please contact us directly.

Cheers,
Dave and Shelby
Spitfire #142
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May  8 08:18:59 2025
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 08:18:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1296 header...searching
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On 5/8/25 6:47 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote:
> Amici,
> 
> Moving up from the 1147 to a 1296 this summer.? I know this is a long 
> shot....but does anyone have a spare 1296 header sitting on their parts 
> shelf?
> 
> Joe, have you built any from the Stahl jigs lately?

I just happen to have a Stahl header.  Ceramic coated.  Needs to have 
the frame modified for clearance.  I don't think I will ever get around 
to using it.  No idea what it is worth.  Interested?

mjb.

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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:14:47 2025
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 13:14:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1296 header...searching
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Sold!  Thanks, Mark....gotta love FoT.  :-)

On Thu, May 8, 2025, 11:17?AM Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> On 5/8/25 6:47 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote:
> > Amici,
> >
> > Moving up from the 1147 to a 1296 this summer.  I know this is a long
> > shot....but does anyone have a spare 1296 header sitting on their parts
> > shelf?
> >
> > Joe, have you built any from the Stahl jigs lately?
>
> I just happen to have a Stahl header.  Ceramic coated.  Needs to have
> the frame modified for clearance.  I don't think I will ever get around
> to using it.  No idea what it is worth.  Interested?
>
> mjb.
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From glswanson71 at gmail.com  Fri May  9 06:29:16 2025
From: glswanson71 at gmail.com (Gary Swanson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 08:29:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1147 stuff
Message-ID: <CAAsC=-XxJfnkv16JruV7iLCfn6vULxwZPXZg+Cf4-NPF_3tF-w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,
I would be interested in talking with you about the 1147.  Not sure how to
contact you directly.  My e-mail glswanson71 at gmail.com
Gary
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Mon May 12 12:09:17 2025
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 18:09:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?=22on_the_cover_of_Victory_Lane=22?=
Message-ID: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>

Anybody have a copy of the parody song done decades ago by a handful of VSCDA racers
"On the Cover of Victory Lane" done to the tune of "On the Cover of the Rolling Stone"?
I loaned my cassette of it to someone years ago and it apparently never found its way home.

I heard it years ago done live at dinner on Saturday possibly at Grattan one summer.  I'm gonna guess Uncle Jack was involved.  Could Dentinger have been far behind?

Need a reminder of what it sounded like?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q

Big reward could be involved.  Think I might still have a bent rod or two in the attic.

Mike Jackson


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 12 14:41:21 2025
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 16:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] "on the cover of Victory Lane"
In-Reply-To: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>
References: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVbdb1tj3xFC2NOFTpETnR2vfNav5Ar5r5+-6wr-i6ay-A@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I don't have that song but I do have some of Jack and Bill Dalton's
racing tunes on the HRG website. I also put up some Triumph paradies, by
the Spinal Tappets, that I was told were performed live at a couple of
events.

The link to the web page is below. The two collections are packed in Zip
format, just click on the link to download to your device and extract them
locally. If any one has trouble getting this to work, contact me directly
and I'll see what we can work out.
Disclaimer:
I don't own the rights to these songs, just posting them for personal use.

https://historicracinggroup.com/sounds.php

Enjoy
Mike H

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 3:26?PM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Anybody have a copy of the parody song done decades ago by a handful of
> VSCDA racers
>
> "On the Cover of Victory Lane" done to the tune of "On the Cover of the
> Rolling Stone"?
>
> I loaned my cassette of it to someone years ago and it apparently never
> found its way home.
>
>
>
> I heard it years ago done live at dinner on Saturday possibly at Grattan
> one summer.  I'm gonna guess Uncle Jack was involved.  Could Dentinger
> have been far behind?
>
>
>
> Need a reminder of what it sounded like?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q
>
>
>
> Big reward could be involved.  Think I might still have a bent rod or two
> in the attic.
>
>
>
> Mike Jackson
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon May 12 14:49:52 2025
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 15:49:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "on the cover of Victory Lane"
In-Reply-To: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>
References: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <2CEED4C2-A70A-4ACA-A110-7A96F16D51DB@multivintage.com>

One of our very own FOT members; Mark ?Silo? was in the band? last I heard the band was not long for the journey? one of the members is moving overseas so the gig may be up. 
Surely, a tragic loss to the music industry. 
A copy must exist somewhere out there. 
They were very funny and a unique act to see live. 
I sat next to Kas and Peggy for one of their performances at a Triumph event.
Peggy Kastner was in stitches. 
A good memory.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2025, at 2:31 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anybody have a copy of the parody song done decades ago by a handful of VSCDA racers
> "On the Cover of Victory Lane" done to the tune of "On the Cover of the Rolling Stone"?
> I loaned my cassette of it to someone years ago and it apparently never found its way home.
>  
> I heard it years ago done live at dinner on Saturday possibly at Grattan one summer.  I'm gonna guess Uncle Jack was involved.  Could Dentinger have been far behind?
>  
> Need a reminder of what it sounded like?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q
>  
> Big reward could be involved.  Think I might still have a bent rod or two in the attic.
>  
> Mike Jackson
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From mark at efishers.com  Mon May 12 15:18:52 2025
From: mark at efishers.com (Mark Fisher)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] "on the cover of Victory Lane"
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVbdb1tj3xFC2NOFTpETnR2vfNav5Ar5r5+-6wr-i6ay-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3bc0161b-3454-3e08-c7cf-a2efa1b4049d@earthlink.net>
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 I haven't ever heard "Cover of the Victory Lane".
In related news, for what it's worth (free), as a member of Spinal Tappets,? I can point you at the ISOA website where you can download our catalog for free.
Discography

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Regards,

Mark "Silo" Fisher, builder of "Invincible II"
    On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 03:58:02 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Mike, I don't have that song but I do have some of Jack and Bill Dalton's racing tunes on the HRG website. I also put up some Triumph paradies, by the Spinal Tappets, that I was told were performed live at a couple of events.
The link to the web page is below. The two collections are packed in Zip format,?just click on the link to download to your device and extract them locally. If any one has trouble getting this to work, contact me directly and I'll see what we can work out.Disclaimer:I don't own the rights to these songs, just posting them for personal use.
https://historicracinggroup.com/sounds.php
EnjoyMike H
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 3:26?PM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Anybody have a copy of the parody song done decades ago by a handful of VSCDA racers

"On the Cover of Victory Lane" done to the tune of "On the Cover of the Rolling Stone"?

I loaned my cassette of it to someone years ago and it apparently never found its way home.

?

I heard it years ago done live at dinner on Saturday possibly at Grattan one summer.? I'm gonna guess Uncle Jack was involved.? Could Dentinger have been far behind?

?

Need a reminder of what it sounded like? ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q

?

Big reward could be involved.? Think I might still have a bent rod or two in the attic.

?

Mike Jackson

?

?
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Mon May 12 20:18:18 2025
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 21:18:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] "on the cover of Victory Lane"
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I wish Spinal Tappets had recorded TR Woman. Ms. Stevenson did a masterful
job on the vocal and keyboard live in Fontana Wisconsin.

Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
www.mnautox.com



On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 3:50?PM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Mike, I don't have that song but I do have some of Jack and Bill Dalton's
> racing tunes on the HRG website. I also put up some Triumph paradies, by
> the Spinal Tappets, that I was told were performed live at a couple of
> events.
>
> The link to the web page is below. The two collections are packed in Zip
> format, just click on the link to download to your device and extract them
> locally. If any one has trouble getting this to work, contact me directly
> and I'll see what we can work out.
> Disclaimer:
> I don't own the rights to these songs, just posting them for personal use.
>
> https://historicracinggroup.com/sounds.php
>
> Enjoy
> Mike H
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 3:26?PM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody have a copy of the parody song done decades ago by a handful of
>> VSCDA racers
>>
>> "On the Cover of Victory Lane" done to the tune of "On the Cover of the
>> Rolling Stone"?
>>
>> I loaned my cassette of it to someone years ago and it apparently never
>> found its way home.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard it years ago done live at dinner on Saturday possibly at Grattan
>> one summer.  I'm gonna guess Uncle Jack was involved.  Could Dentinger
>> have been far behind?
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a reminder of what it sounded like?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q
>>
>>
>>
>> Big reward could be involved.  Think I might still have a bent rod or two
>> in the attic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Jackson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May 13 10:14:42 2025
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 16:14:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Header Tank wanted
Message-ID: <LV3P223MB091319B30A832D1BAED968699096A@LV3P223MB0913.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Anyone have one for sale?

Cheers to all,

Henry Morrison (505)259-1537
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Tue May 13 11:54:47 2025
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 13:54:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 front chromoly stub axles
Message-ID: <CAEN1C=S4uowjd1Mm9gQnr35Uj+enq0FjfA2LJx9xwvymaTnQLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,
      Is anyone aware of a current source for GT6 chomoly front stub
axles?  I've been unable to reach Siam, and Dave Bean does not currently
have these in stock.

This is for use with "stock" GT6 wheel bearings.
Thanks,
Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
www.jspmparts.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 19 06:51:49 2025
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 08:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVY0krJH83=WV+VfJBnXrocyPwdV0pBnv+XGobxi6azQrg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to
last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running
without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a
system that works for you?

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream
(currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

thanks
mike h
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 19 07:07:24 2025
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 15:07:24 +0200
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVY0krJH83=WV+VfJBnXrocyPwdV0pBnv+XGobxi6azQrg@mail.gmail.com>
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I use a small alternator from a Suzuki Swift ?89 which should also fit to a Spiti.

I changed the pulley size to make it run slower.

 

Mine does work now 20 years.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 2:52 PM
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

 

I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

 

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

 

thanks

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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Mon May 19 08:20:31 2025
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 10:20:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVY0krJH83=WV+VfJBnXrocyPwdV0pBnv+XGobxi6azQrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Mike,
       The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference
in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more
expensive options.

When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service
since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical,
but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.

Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.

I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the
states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a
direct swap onto the mini denso.

[image: 20250519_095108.jpg]
[image: 20250519_095116.jpg]

We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore
race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down,
Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!



Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
www.jspmparts.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/


On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to
> last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.
>
>  Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running
> without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a
> system that works for you?
>
> BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream
> (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.
>
> thanks
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Mon May 19 08:34:46 2025
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 14:34:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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Do you have the part number for the powermaster?

Have a Good Day
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

Mike,
       The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more expensive options.

When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.

Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.

I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a direct swap onto the mini denso.

[cid:image001.jpg at 01DBC8A9.A5BE9340]
[cid:image002.jpg at 01DBC8A9.A5BE9340]

We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!



Jason Sukey
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On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

thanks
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Mon May 19 08:58:55 2025
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 10:58:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2025 Jefferson 500
Message-ID: <007301dbc8ce$8bb143b0$a313cb10$@mindspring.com>

Agree with Mike, nice work by Henry Frye, Dave Gott and Mark Wheatley as well.  I believe I have the respective finishes for Group 3 below correct (did not catch all the Group 4 races, but believe there was one Triumph):

 

Sat AM (Fri make up race) ? P1, P3 and P4

Sat AM GP3 ? P2, P3 and P5

Sat PM GP3 ? P1, P3 and P4 (Red  Flag finish)

Sunday AM GP3 - P1, P3 and P5

 

Nice weekend to all three of you!

 

 

Mark Cook

 

 

 

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 8:52 AM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

 

I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

 

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

 

thanks

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From tony.sheach at live.co.uk  Mon May 19 09:22:54 2025
From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 15:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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Hi all

My experience is that if you are going to use one of these Nippon Denso derived alternators, you need to go for the OE part.

The various copies all have short lives, mainly because the diode set lacks up and usually starts overcharging the battery and causing the output voltage to vary considerably, usually upwards. I?ve had this happen and it?s not pleasant when a dry cell battery gets fat enough to pop.

You can buy diode sets for the original Denso units and these are a quick change ?in the field? so my view is to buy a decent one and a couple of spare diode packs (the assembly with the spade terminals on the end) and replace as necessary.

I have one 80amp unit that?s done 10 years and is going back in after the current refit. I appreciate that most don?t need this sort of output, but it?s usually wet and dark here so it?s everything on. The smaller 45/50 amp units are probably longer lived.

Best wishes to all

Tony



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On 19 May 2025, at 16:12, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Do you have the part number for the powermaster?

Have a Good Day
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
Fax:        888-865-5279
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

Mike,
       The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more expensive options.

When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.

Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.

I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a direct swap onto the mini denso.

<image001.jpg>
<image002.jpg>

We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!



Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com<mailto:jason at jsperformancemotoring.com>
www.jspmparts.com<http://www.jspmparts.com/>
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/


On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

thanks
mike h
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon May 19 09:40:25 2025
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 15:40:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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If you go to the Powermaster website, they have a formula to determine the proper alternator you need based on crank pully size and max RPM of your engine. I burned up 2 of the cheap Denso units designed for fork lift use in a year and after installing the Powermaster unit all has been good.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:12:47 AM CDT, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Do you have the part number for the powermaster?
 
 ?
 
Have a Good Day
 
Mike
 
 ?
 
Michael T. Moore, CPA
 
3255 West 26th Street
 
Erie, PA 16506
 
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Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100
 
Fax:??????? 888-865-5279
 
Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
 
 ?
 
Mike,
 
? ? ? ?The mini-denso style alternators work great.? There is a difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more expensive options.??
 
 ?
 
When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!? There's clearly a difference.??
 
 ?
 
Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.
 
 ?
 
I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.? Here in the states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.? This is a direct swap onto the mini denso.
 
 ?
 

 

 
 ?
 
We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, Henry!".? We about fell out of our chairs laughing!
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
Jason Sukey
 
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
 
440.984.7720
 
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
 
www.jspmparts.com
 
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
 
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On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 

I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.
 
 ?
 
?Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that?works for you?
 
 ?
 
BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available?on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.
 
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thanks
 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon May 19 14:02:50 2025
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 13:02:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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While on the subject of alternators ...

Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator 
conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years 
ago it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. 
They replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used 
the wire going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past 
few years the alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 
2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was 
turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the 
alternator has a wire they never connected to anything.

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that 
starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator 
to buy.

I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from 
the Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with 
Delco 10 & 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.

So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an 
electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the 
fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.

Suggestions?

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon May 19 14:41:06 2025
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 20:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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No help here. My 1964 Spitfire came with a generator. We built it into a race car in 1971 and threw the generator away. After that I only had a battery and I fully charged it before each weekend plus a spare that I swapped out on Sunday.

--Rocky

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 3:03 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?


While on the subject of alternators ...

Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never connected to anything.

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to buy.

I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from the Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10 & 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.

So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.

Suggestions?

   TeriAnn

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon May 19 15:11:57 2025
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:11:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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The Suzuki 1987/1989 Samurai alternator that was mentioned previously is a
three wire alternator, and is very small.? You will have to make some mounting
bracket changes, but it fits well.

John
?



On Mon, 19 May 2025 13:02:50 -0700, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
While on the subject of alternators ...

Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never connected to anything.

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to buy.

I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from the Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10 & 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.

So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.

Suggestions?

?? TeriAnn


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 19 15:34:00 2025
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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Thanks for all the info. A bad 3 wire connector was what started all this
and a new one fixed my immediate problem. A couple of Denso, single wire
types, are on the way here as well as assorted brackets and a 4" pulley.
The good news is I don't need to scramble to make my next 3 events (just
make sure the battery charger is in the new camper) and hope to have the
reengineered parts installed in time for PittRace.

thank you

mike h

On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 5:26?PM R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The Suzuki 1987/1989 Samurai alternator that was mentioned previously is a
> three wire alternator, and is very small.  You will have to make some
> mounting
> bracket changes, but it fits well.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2025 13:02:50 -0700, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> While on the subject of alternators ...
>
> Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator
> conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago
> it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They
> replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire
> going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the
> alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and
> didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or
> better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they
> never connected to anything.
>
> I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that
> starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to
> buy.
>
> I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from the
> Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10 &
> 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.
>
> So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an
> electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the
> fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>    TeriAnn
>
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Mon May 19 15:52:20 2025
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 16:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon May 19 16:34:08 2025
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 22:34:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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I regularly see 15.7.  Not for long, but it?s there.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 4:52 PM
To: Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk>
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

I have a silly question, what voltage do you consider overcharging?  My current one charges at over 14v (maybe 14.5v) and wondered if I should be worried.  I?ve done total loss for years and have just started using an alternator again.

Chuck


On May 19, 2025, at 11:29?AM, Tony Sheach via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
? Hi all

My experience is that if you are going to use one of these Nippon Denso derived alternators, you need to go for the OE part.

The various copies all have short lives, mainly because the diode set lacks up and usually starts overcharging the battery and causing the output voltage to vary considerably, usually upwards. I?ve had this happen and it?s not pleasant when a dry cell battery gets fat enough to pop.

You can buy diode sets for the original Denso units and these are a quick change ?in the field? so my view is to buy a decent one and a couple of spare diode packs (the assembly with the spade terminals on the end) and replace as necessary.

I have one 80amp unit that?s done 10 years and is going back in after the current refit. I appreciate that most don?t need this sort of output, but it?s usually wet and dark here so it?s everything on. The smaller 45/50 amp units are probably longer lived.

Best wishes to all

Tony



Sent from my iPhone

On 19 May 2025, at 16:12, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
Do you have the part number for the powermaster?

Have a Good Day
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com<mailto:ofracer at gmail.com>>
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

Mike,
       The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more expensive options.

When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.

Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.

I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a direct swap onto the mini denso.

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We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!



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On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

thanks
mike h
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon May 19 16:37:19 2025
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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In my experience, 14.5 v is normal when charging.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 5/19/2025 4:52 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> I have a silly question, what voltage do you consider overcharging? 
> ?My current one charges at over 14v (maybe 14.5v) and wondered if I 
> should be worried. ?I?ve done total loss for years and have just 
> started using an alternator again.
>
> Chuck
>
>> On May 19, 2025, at 11:29?AM, Tony Sheach via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ? Hi all
>>
>> My experience is that if you are going to use one of these Nippon 
>> Denso derived alternators, you need to go for the OE part.
>>
>> The various copies all have short lives, mainly because the diode set 
>> lacks up and usually starts overcharging the battery and causing the 
>> output voltage to vary considerably, usually upwards. I?ve had this 
>> happen and it?s not pleasant when a dry cell battery gets fat enough 
>> to pop.
>>
>> You can buy diode sets for the original Denso units and these are a 
>> quick change ?in the field? so my view is to buy a decent one and a 
>> couple of spare diode packs (the assembly with the spade terminals on 
>> the end) and replace as necessary.
>>
>> I have one 80amp unit that?s done 10 years and is going back in after 
>> the current refit. I appreciate that most don?t need this sort of 
>> output, but it?s usually wet and dark here so it?s everything on. The 
>> smaller 45/50 amp units are probably longer lived.
>>
>> Best wishes to all
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 May 2025, at 16:12, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Do you have the part number for the powermaster?
>>
>> Have a Good Day
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 3255 West 26^th Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16506
>>
>> Phone: 814-616-8652? ext 100
>>
>> Fax: 888-865-5279
>>
>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com <mailto:mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com>
>>
>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally 
>> privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If 
>> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader 
>> is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or 
>> other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby 
>> instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and 
>> destroy this copy of this message.
>>
>> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *JS Performance 
>> Motoring, LLC via Fot
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
>> *To:* Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> ? ? ? ?The mini-denso style alternators work great.? There is a 
>> difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel 
>> options, and the more expensive options.
>>
>> When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in 
>> service since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye 
>> looked identical, but weighed substantially more!? There's clearly a 
>> difference.
>>
>> Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.
>>
>> I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.? Here in the 
>> states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.? This is 
>> a direct swap onto the mini denso.
>>
>> <image001.jpg>
>> <image002.jpg>
>>
>> We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium 
>> bore race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted 
>> "Slow down, Henry!".? We about fell out of our chairs laughing!
>>
>> Jason Sukey
>>
>> JS Performance Motoring, LLC
>>
>> 440.984.7720
>>
>> jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
>>
>> www.jspmparts.com <http://www.jspmparts.com/>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They
>>     used to last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends
>>     is the norm.
>>
>>     ?Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions,
>>     including running without one. That being said, any
>>     suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that?works for you?
>>
>>     BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live
>>     stream (currently available?on YouTube). Nice job against the 911
>>     Mr. Frye.
>>
>>     thanks
>>
>>     mike h
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 19 17:40:46 2025
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:40:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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Back in the days of IVR running events at Wendover, I switched to a 
single wire alternator in the Killer Spit.  I had to fab some brackets 
to make it fit, but it worked well.  The first event I ran at Wendover 
went very well, I was pleased.

The second event was a bit different.  First race I was doing fine, 
getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.  I came 
to the hairpin before the main straight, hit the brakes and nothing 
happened.  Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes 
failed.  I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along the 
concrete for quite a ways.  Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet and 
immediately saw the problem.  The single wire between the battery and 
the alternator had come undone from the alternator.  The wire was tied 
to the chassis with a nylon tie a foot or two from the alternator.  The 
O ring on the end of the wire had limited range of movement.  What kept 
it from shorting out on the chassis was the brake line to the left 
front.  It bounced around.  Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge 
machining?  Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the 
other end.  Every time the O ring bounced on the brake line, it sparked. 
  And soon enough the sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all 
the fluid drained out of the system.  No fluid, no brakes!

mjb.


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From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 19:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 04:04:00 2025
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 06:04:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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It's my understanding that 14.5 is the normal "full charge" of a 12v
battery. When the battery discharges, the alternator will increase output
to cover the discharge state, and current usage.  So yes, yours is probably
working as designed.

On Mon, May 19, 2025, 18:08 Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have a silly question, what voltage do you consider overcharging?  My
> current one charges at over 14v (maybe 14.5v) and wondered if I should be
> worried.  I?ve done total loss for years and have just started using an
> alternator again.
>
> Chuck
>
> On May 19, 2025, at 11:29?AM, Tony Sheach via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ? Hi all
>
> My experience is that if you are going to use one of these Nippon Denso
> derived alternators, you need to go for the OE part.
>
> The various copies all have short lives, mainly because the diode set
> lacks up and usually starts overcharging the battery and causing the output
> voltage to vary considerably, usually upwards. I?ve had this happen and
> it?s not pleasant when a dry cell battery gets fat enough to pop.
>
> You can buy diode sets for the original Denso units and these are a quick
> change ?in the field? so my view is to buy a decent one and a couple of
> spare diode packs (the assembly with the spade terminals on the end) and
> replace as necessary.
>
> I have one 80amp unit that?s done 10 years and is going back in after the
> current refit. I appreciate that most don?t need this sort of output, but
> it?s usually wet and dark here so it?s everything on. The smaller 45/50 amp
> units are probably longer lived.
>
> Best wishes to all
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19 May 2025, at 16:12, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Do you have the part number for the powermaster?
>
>
>
> Have a Good Day
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3255+West+26?entry=gmail&source=g>th
> Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
>
>
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
>
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> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *JS Performance
> Motoring, LLC via Fot
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
> *To:* Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>        The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference
> in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more
> expensive options.
>
>
>
> When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service
> since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical,
> but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.
>
>
>
> Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.
>
>
>
> I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the
> states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a
> direct swap onto the mini denso.
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
>
>
> We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore
> race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down,
> Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jason Sukey
>
> JS Performance Motoring, LLC
>
> 440.984.7720
>
> jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
>
> www.jspmparts.com
>
> https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to
> last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.
>
>
>
>  Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including running
> without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a
> system that works for you?
>
>
>
> BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream
> (currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> mike h
>
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From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 04:35:03 2025
From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 10:35:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <87f079c2-e1b6-4fa4-a856-6bf73fff9f19@bradakis.com>
References: <CAO0FjVY0krJH83=WV+VfJBnXrocyPwdV0pBnv+XGobxi6azQrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <87f079c2-e1b6-4fa4-a856-6bf73fff9f19@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1126521174.2505830.1747737303384@mail.yahoo.com>

 Had the same thing happen to me at Put In Bay with my braided clutch line!!? At least I could stop!!
    On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:24:19 PM EDT, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Back in the days of IVR running events at Wendover, I switched to a 
single wire alternator in the Killer Spit.? I had to fab some brackets 
to make it fit, but it worked well.? The first event I ran at Wendover 
went very well, I was pleased.

The second event was a bit different.? First race I was doing fine, 
getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.? I came 
to the hairpin before the main straight, hit the brakes and nothing 
happened.? Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes 
failed.? I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along the 
concrete for quite a ways.? Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet and 
immediately saw the problem.? The single wire between the battery and 
the alternator had come undone from the alternator.? The wire was tied 
to the chassis with a nylon tie a foot or two from the alternator.? The 
O ring on the end of the wire had limited range of movement.? What kept 
it from shorting out on the chassis was the brake line to the left 
front.? It bounced around.? Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge 
machining?? Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the 
other end.? Every time the O ring bounced on the brake line, it sparked. 
? And soon enough the sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all 
the fluid drained out of the system.? No fluid, no brakes!

mjb.

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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue May 20 11:14:24 2025
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 10:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <1126521174.2505830.1747737303384@mail.yahoo.com>
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A 12V LA battery sits at 14.5 only when it?s been freshly charged with no load applied. As soon as electrons start being rearranged it drops to 12.9 and heads lower quickly. Race cars runniong total loss suffer from the low voltage of LA (lead acid) batteries under loads. Pertronics poops out, other stuff works marginally. The easy fix is a lithium battery. Not only are they much lighter, they also have a much flatter discharge curve and higher nominal voltage Li-ion is typically 14 V, Li
FePO4 (caled LiFe geneerally) is 12.8. They work extremely well, last a very long time, and are zero maintenance other than charging them. Other than in endurance races opr an time you need lights I think alternators in race cars are nothing but trouble, take horsepower to turn, have belts, and die at lousy times. Other than that they?re great.


> On May 20, 2025, at 3:35?AM, Rich Hahn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Had the same thing happen to me at Put In Bay with my braided clutch line!!  At least I could stop!!
> 
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:24:19 PM EDT, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Back in the days of IVR running events at Wendover, I switched to a 
> single wire alternator in the Killer Spit.  I had to fab some brackets 
> to make it fit, but it worked well.  The first event I ran at Wendover 
> went very well, I was pleased.
> 
> The second event was a bit different.  First race I was doing fine, 
> getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.  I came 
> to the hairpin before the main straight, hit the brakes and nothing 
> happened.  Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes 
> failed.  I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along the 
> concrete for quite a ways.  Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet and 
> immediately saw the problem.  The single wire between the battery and 
> the alternator had come undone from the alternator.  The wire was tied 
> to the chassis with a nylon tie a foot or two from the alternator.  The 
> O ring on the end of the wire had limited range of movement.  What kept 
> it from shorting out on the chassis was the brake line to the left 
> front.  It bounced around.  Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge 
> machining?  Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the 
> other end.  Every time the O ring bounced on the brake line, it sparked. 
>   And soon enough the sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all 
> the fluid drained out of the system.  No fluid, no brakes!
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com  Tue May 20 14:12:49 2025
From: aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com (Alex Schlesinger)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 20:12:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dual valve springs - TR7
Message-ID: <BY3PR05MB8113978AE8AFFCD83DF8F9AFA49FA@BY3PR05MB8113.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Good afternoon,

Does anyone know of a dual valve spring that will work for a TR7?

Thank you,

[cid:image001.png at 01DBC9A2.06757ED0]

Alex Schlesinger
1060 Hall St. SW
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Wed May 21 08:58:32 2025
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (jeffsnook01 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 10:58:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1941 Chevy AK Series Pickup For Sale
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Hey friends, it's time for this sweet pickup to find a new home.  It's been
on display in the museum for over 20 years, but need to make room for my new
Volvo P1800.  Would appreciate if you could help spread the word.  
 
Just listed on Bring A Trailer, auction ends May 27th at 6:00 pm.
 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1941-chevrolet-ak-series-pickup-4/
 
Thanks,
 
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com
 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 22 07:44:57 2025
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 09:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Western PA Triumph mechanic
Message-ID: <29D23F54-DBFE-4C30-82EC-F17FED417930@me.com>

One of my race buddies recently sold a TR6 street car to someone with zero mechanical ability who lives just north of Pittsburgh.  (Sharpsburg).
We are trying to keep the guy from taking the car to Pep Boys or the like for repairs, where he will quickly get frustrated and lose interest.

Any thoughts on good shops?  Car needs odds and ends now, but who knows in the future.  Back in my Pittsburgh days I would have suggested Boffo Motors, but I understand they are gone.

Any Western PA Triumph members on this list?
Thanks!

Scott Janzen

From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 22 11:26:56 2025
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 13:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Western PA Triumph mechanic
In-Reply-To: <29D23F54-DBFE-4C30-82EC-F17FED417930@me.com>
References: <29D23F54-DBFE-4C30-82EC-F17FED417930@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcEWH4EocGDjH0FzOM0en-zy=Zmj_Z3-uRofgU2QBpZx5A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, if he joins the Western PA Triumph Assoc. he will get plenty of help
from an experienced crew, most of whom live in the Pittsburgh area.  Our
membership representative is Larry Ross.  Have your friend get in touch
with Larry and go from there.  Larry's email address shown above.

On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 9:50?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> One of my race buddies recently sold a TR6 street car to someone with zero
> mechanical ability who lives just north of Pittsburgh.  (Sharpsburg).
> We are trying to keep the guy from taking the car to Pep Boys or the like
> for repairs, where he will quickly get frustrated and lose interest.
>
> Any thoughts on good shops?  Car needs odds and ends now, but who knows in
> the future.  Back in my Pittsburgh days I would have suggested Boffo
> Motors, but I understand they are gone.
>
> Any Western PA Triumph members on this list?
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Janzen
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 22 12:51:43 2025
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 14:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Western PA Triumph mechanic
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR10MB440078790E432FB9484962D7A799A@MN2PR10MB4400.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <29D23F54-DBFE-4C30-82EC-F17FED417930@me.com>
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Message-ID: <89BC7CC0-BF5E-4790-B779-0AC9C3EFC6B9@me.com>

The guy?s name is Peter Szymanski. The car is a 76 TR6.  I?ve passed along yours and some other messages.
Sure seems like joining the WPTA is key.
Thanks for offering to help!

On May 22, 2025, at 1:30?PM, Lawrence Ross <larry at lrossagency.com> wrote:

 
Scott ?
 
Attached is a Membership application.
 
If you have any questions, please call my cell # listed below.
 
Larry Ross
WPTA Membership Director
(412) 780-8495 - mobile
 
From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 1:27 PM
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com>>; Lawrence Ross <larry at lrossagency.com <mailto:larry at lrossagency.com>>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Looking for a Western PA Triumph mechanic
 
Yes, if he joins the Western PA Triumph Assoc. he will get plenty of help from an experienced crew, most of whom live in the Pittsburgh area.  Our membership representative is Larry Ross.  Have your friend get in touch with Larry and go from there.  Larry's email address shown above.
 
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 9:50?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
One of my race buddies recently sold a TR6 street car to someone with zero mechanical ability who lives just north of Pittsburgh.  (Sharpsburg).
We are trying to keep the guy from taking the car to Pep Boys or the like for repairs, where he will quickly get frustrated and lose interest.

Any thoughts on good shops?  Car needs odds and ends now, but who knows in the future.  Back in my Pittsburgh days I would have suggested Boffo Motors, but I understand they are gone.

Any Western PA Triumph members on this list?
Thanks!

Scott Janzen
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 25 10:21:42 2025
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Membership - sponsoring Drew Holliday
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun May 25 19:16:33 2025
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 20:16:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Membership - sponsoring Drew Holliday
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 17:41:04 2025
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 23:41:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring
Message-ID: <IA2PR84MB3951F4889E5DC6EF86109EC9BA65A@IA2PR84MB3951.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I would like to Sponsor another Spitfire racer to this illustrious group.  Paul Magee has a somewhat newly acquired 1296 Vintage Spitfire and just completed the VSCDA drivers' school at Gingerman. He is a national level auto crosser in both Miata and FMod/F500. He will make a great addition to the group!

paul.d.magee at gmail.com

Mark, can you make it so.

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From solarant at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 17:48:54 2025
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 23:48:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 diff stub shafts
Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB3867C7D1456578C585276BC4D765A@MN0PR84MB3867.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Are there any stock stub shafts that are stronger than others?
Are there any aftermarket suppliers of these?

Thank you, Anthony.




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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 26 18:18:05 2025
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 18:18:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back home!
Message-ID: <103169c1-712e-49ca-9583-c5d82cb68688@bradakis.com>

853 miles in 3 days.  That's a lot of driving!  But this year's British 
Motor Club of Utah Memorial Day Run was pretty nice.  The club went to 
Steamboat Springs from Utah.  Unfortunately Karen and I were not in a 
British car, but my Pathfinder.  I have GOT to get a car on the road 
this summer.

An interesting occurance happened in Steamboat.  Sems some fellow was 
downtown, and he saw the line of British cars motoring by.  He tracked 
us down to a burger place, and said hello.  Turns out he was a racer, 
piloting a Porsche back in 1962, '63 back east, primarily Lime Rock. 
His name was, uh, I forgot his first name, but remember his last name 
was Hanger.  Or maybe Hangar, as in airplane.  No, his first name was 
NOT Cliff.  Might have to try and look him up in some old SCCA records 
or some such.  A few of us took a look at his *beautiful* Morgan Plus 8 
he bought new in 1991.  Lovely car!

Anyway, will get to the new list additions soon.

mjb.


From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 18:24:06 2025
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 00:24:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring
In-Reply-To: <IA2PR84MB3951F4889E5DC6EF86109EC9BA65A@IA2PR84MB3951.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I'll second, welcome to the group, Paul!

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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Sent: Monday, May 26, 2025 6:41:04 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: Paul Magee <paul.d.magee at gmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring

I would like to Sponsor another Spitfire racer to this illustrious group.  Paul Magee has a somewhat newly acquired 1296 Vintage Spitfire and just completed the VSCDA drivers' school at Gingerman. He is a national level auto crosser in both Miata and FMod/F500. He will make a great addition to the group!

paul.d.magee at gmail.com

Mark, can you make it so.

Marty Sukey


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From paul.d.magee at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:27:16 2025
From: paul.d.magee at gmail.com (Paul Magee)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 20:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon May 26 19:30:15 2025
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 21:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 diff stub shafts
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I?m assuming the bolt got inserted to get the remains of the stub axle out of the differential?

So, in over 10 years of racing my GT6, I have never sheared a stub axle (just jinxed myself).
The engine puts out about 200 hp. 
That said, I know others who have had this problem repeatedly. They finally gave up and installed a Subaru differential.
I?m really not sure what differentiated my outcome from theirs. I?ve run mostly a welded diff but also a limited slip.
I?d suggest the following:
Pick up a handful of stub axles and get them all crack tested. I don?t mean with dye- take them somewhere that can magnaflux them .
Secondly, you might try getting them cryogenically treated. I just had two sets treated that way, along with the ring and pinion - those I have had repeated failures on.
Let us know what you figure out!
Scott Janzen


> On May 26, 2025, at 8:27?PM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Are there any stock stub shafts that are stronger than others?
> Are there any aftermarket suppliers of these?
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> Thank you, Anthony.
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Mon May 26 19:38:17 2025
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 18:38:17 -0700
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon May 26 21:11:22 2025
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring
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Welcome, Paul. 
FoT are the best of the best if you enjoy your Triumph in competition.
Dave H.
Santa Cruz,CA

> On 05/26/2025 5:27 PM PDT Paul Magee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Thank you so much! I am very grateful.
>  
> Paul
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 26, 2025, at 8:24?PM, Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > I'll second, welcome to the group, Paul!
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> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg
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> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2025 6:41:04 PM
> > To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Cc: Paul Magee <paul.d.magee at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Fot] Sponsoring
> >  
> > I would like to Sponsor another Spitfire racer to this illustrious group.  Paul Magee has a somewhat newly acquired 1296 Vintage Spitfire and just completed the VSCDA drivers' school at Gingerman. He is a national level auto crosser in both Miata and FMod/F500. He will make a great addition to the group!
> >  
> > paul.d.magee at gmail.com
> >  
> > Mark, can you make it so. 
> >  
> > Marty Sukey
> >  
> >  
> > 
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From bownes at seiri.com  Mon May 26 21:11:20 2025
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 18:04:12 2025
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 00:04:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] PVGP TR/MG Challenge
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7 more weeks until the soon to be infamous Triumph/MG challenge at the PVGP Historic Races at Pittrace.  Lots of track time at a wonderful track at no extra charge. The Octagoners are talking trash already. Come on out and show them how it's done!

Marty Sukey
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