From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Fri May  3 11:04:07 2024
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 13:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New Members
Message-ID: <CAGctxs6Nwp+DagdXnkKaKSrskjeV5u3nS57NdLg-hA8T3VZzWQ@mail.gmail.com>

New TR-6 Racers at VSCDA school this weekend. They bought Allen
Watchco's(sp)
car number 6, red.

Please welcome Jaime Horner, jhorner68 at gmail.com and Jim Koktavy,
jkoktavy at me.com.

Jim is racing a Griffith and Jaime has the TR-6.

Regards,
Doug Mitchell
dbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May  3 15:04:36 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 15:04:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New Members
In-Reply-To: <CAGctxs6Nwp+DagdXnkKaKSrskjeV5u3nS57NdLg-hA8T3VZzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 5/3/24 11:04 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot wrote:
> New TR-6 Racers at VSCDA school this weekend. They bought Allen 
> Watchco's(sp)
> car number 6, red.
> 
> Please welcome Jaime Horner, jhorner68 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jhorner68 at gmail.com> and Jim Koktavy, jkoktavy at me.com 
> <mailto:jkoktavy at me.com>.
> 
> Jim is racing a Griffith and Jaime has the TR-6.

Okay, they have been added, welcome aboard!

mjb.


From fintouch at ptd.net  Sat May  4 09:02:21 2024
From: fintouch at ptd.net (finishing Touch)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 11:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
Message-ID: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>

I'm looking for a 1"x23 spline x 8.5 sprung clutch disc for my TR6 race 
car with a close ratio gear box. does anyone have one they could part 
with or know of a place to get one. I'd like to get it by May14th if 
possible. Currently T.S Imported Automotive? is out of them and not sure 
when he can get one. At this point, I'd rather not go the solid route.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz


From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sat May  4 11:19:09 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 17:19:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
In-Reply-To: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
References: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <SN7PR22MB3834AC8466F6DE718CB9F85A991E2@SN7PR22MB3834.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Try Spec in Birmingham AL.  they make several different sprung plates.  We use the #3 which has 23" spline.



?
John H. Hasty
Of Counsel
Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
301 S. York St., 
P.O. Box 488
Gastonia, NC 28053
704.864.6751?(p)?704.861.8394?(f)
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?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of finishing Touch via Fot
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:02 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6

I'm looking for a 1"x23 spline x 8.5 sprung clutch disc for my TR6 race car with a close ratio gear box. does anyone have one they could part with or know of a place to get one. I'd like to get it by May14th if possible. Currently T.S Imported Automotive? is out of them and not sure when he can get one. At this point, I'd rather not go the solid route.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat May  4 11:22:55 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 12:22:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
In-Reply-To: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sat May  4 13:16:11 2024
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
In-Reply-To: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
References: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <1472150208.7087574.1714850171797@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm pretty sure that clutch disk (1" x 23 spline) is what is used on the TR7 - hence the response from Greg regarding TWS (The Wedge Shop - which used to just do TR8's and TR7's it's also a local resource for me, because it is located in Taunton, MA - about 30 miles from my house.)
I would try local clutch supply places first BUT I second John Hasty's response. I've been using Spec for about 25 years, quality parts, for sure. If you do use Spec, if you EVER slip your clutch when shifting, I would stay away from the Kevlar clutch disks as I found it VERY easy to "glaze" them and that pretty much turns them into useless clutch disks. In AutoX, I had at least three different clutch disks fail after only a couple of events. Last time I got a clutch disk from them I got the "Stage 3" setup. I can get several seasons' use from that setup.


Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 11:11:55 AM EDT, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I'm looking for a 1"x23 spline x 8.5 sprung clutch disc for my TR6 race 
car with a close ratio gear box. does anyone have one they could part 
with or know of a place to get one. I'd like to get it by May14th if 
possible. Currently T.S Imported Automotive? is out of them and not sure 
when he can get one. At this point, I'd rather not go the solid route.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sat May  4 14:03:01 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 20:03:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
In-Reply-To: <1472150208.7087574.1714850171797@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
 <1472150208.7087574.1714850171797@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SN7PR22MB38347AB7FEDABAAAE86715DF991E2@SN7PR22MB3834.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

That?s correct, Spec catalogs them as for a TR7??


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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Lang via Fot
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:16 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6

I'm pretty sure that clutch disk (1" x 23 spline) is what is used on the TR7 - hence the response from Greg regarding TWS (The Wedge Shop - which used to just do TR8's and TR7's it's also a local resource for me, because it is located in Taunton, MA - about 30 miles from my house.)

I would try local clutch supply places first BUT I second John Hasty's response. I've been using Spec for about 25 years, quality parts, for sure. If you do use Spec, if you EVER slip your clutch when shifting, I would stay away from the Kevlar clutch disks as I found it VERY easy to "glaze" them and that pretty much turns them into useless clutch disks. In AutoX, I had at least three different clutch disks fail after only a couple of events. Last time I got a clutch disk from them I got the "Stage 3" setup. I can get several seasons' use from that setup.


Regards,
Bob Lang

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 11:11:55 AM EDT, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


I'm looking for a 1"x23 spline x 8.5 sprung clutch disc for my TR6 race
car with a close ratio gear box. does anyone have one they could part
with or know of a place to get one. I'd like to get it by May14th if
possible. Currently T.S Imported Automotive  is out of them and not sure
when he can get one. At this point, I'd rather not go the solid route.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz

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From dave at microworks.net  Sat May  4 18:00:25 2024
From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 00:00:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 14th to 5th in the Rain at Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <SN7PR14MB70434CE4428C8CE44C60F837B51D2@SN7PR14MB7043.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Started the first Feature Race for Group 1 here at Laguna Seca as 14th Overall. Some of the cars in my Class did not come out to play due to the rain. By the time the race ended I had worked my way up to 5th Overall including passing 4 cars on the first lap.

Video of the opening 2 laps with the rear camera

https://youtu.be/lUkXP7rrFtM

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From fintouch at ptd.net  Sat May  4 20:25:52 2024
From: fintouch at ptd.net (Finishing Touch)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 22:25:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wanted: 1" x 23 spline clutch disc for TR6
In-Reply-To: <1472150208.7087574.1714850171797@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <e6524ff2-90e6-4e1c-9048-1885ec29c5ba@ptd.net>
 <1472150208.7087574.1714850171797@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <92763d24-a347-492f-8829-3b089a2df042@ptd.net>

Thanks everyone for the leads and suggestions. I'm good for now (thanks 
Scott) and will reach out next week to the companies suggested.

Great and very helpful group,
Mike Kurtz
TR6 #51
TVR (in bloom)

From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Sun May  5 10:49:55 2024
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 12:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] lowering blocks
Message-ID: <CAG9YvYO0=x=8VqoRSjgV4X0eRMBXrDt_VNj_StPrnPutZ+me+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Spit/GT6 Amici
Curious if anyone has used a 1/2" lowering block and what it did to the
camber. I have one, but I really don't care to experiment blindly. Car sits
at -2.6 -2.7 degrees now in the rear, but in order to get some caster in
the front I'm now at -3.6 degrees up there. Thinking if the 1/2" block
makes the cambers match F & R, it's worth the change.
Also, any ideas on getting more caster without further increasing camber
would be appreciated (I'll be researching later)
Let me know your experiences -
Thanks
Brian

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From jgtrudeau at comcast.net  Sun May  5 15:15:51 2024
From: jgtrudeau at comcast.net (James Trudeau)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 17:15:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Variations in Spitfire Transmission tailpieces?
Message-ID: <1564C9B6-5FEE-44CD-83A8-7563B5A57049@comcast.net>

Last fall, the transmission tailpiece on former Russ More race Spitfire cracked at a Thompson. 

I put in a spare from parts Russ had provided with the car, and that one cracked after the first session this weekend at VSCCA Lime Rock! I had a spare ?eBay? tailpiece that I started to install, only to discover that the bearing seat was not the same as the original or replacement!

The eBay tailpiece has a step that would have prevented the equal diameter (2?) bearing and thick oil seal from seating fully into the recess. Since I bought the bearing and seal from Moss Motors, I assume it was for a standard 63 Spitfire. 

I now see a ?DD3? stamped on the opposite side from the ?303546? on the tailpiece. Since most of the online sources list the ?DD2? version, I assume that has the step. 

- Do I have a GT6 tailpiece?

- Are there different versions / eras of the Spitfire tailpiece?

- I assume mine wasn?t reamed deeper - which is what I crudely did with a dremel at the track to get the bearing to fit!

Anyone have sources for these DD3 tailpieces?

Thanks,

Jim


Sent from my iPhone

From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May  5 20:02:18 2024
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 22:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] lowering blocks
In-Reply-To: <CAG9YvYO0=x=8VqoRSjgV4X0eRMBXrDt_VNj_StPrnPutZ+me+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG9YvYO0=x=8VqoRSjgV4X0eRMBXrDt_VNj_StPrnPutZ+me+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02C7335F-C861-471F-A294-FD4712914BB3@me.com>

More caster in the front without changing camber- remove shims from the front bolt of the lower an arm and add an equal amount to the rear bolt. That should have the desired effect, but of course, check the measurements. Also, you will have to reset the toe-in.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2024, at 9:48?PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey Spit/GT6 Amici
> Curious if anyone has used a 1/2" lowering block and what it did to the camber. I have one, but I really don't care to experiment blindly. Car sits at -2.6 -2.7 degrees now in the rear, but in order to get some caster in the front I'm now at -3.6 degrees up there. Thinking if the 1/2" block makes the cambers match F & R, it's worth the change.
> Also, any ideas on getting more caster without further increasing camber would be appreciated (I'll be researching later)
> Let me know your experiences -
> Thanks
> Brian
> 
> --
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> 585-305-0349
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon May  6 08:37:16 2024
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 14:37:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] lowering blocks
In-Reply-To: <CAG9YvYO0=x=8VqoRSjgV4X0eRMBXrDt_VNj_StPrnPutZ+me+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG9YvYO0=x=8VqoRSjgV4X0eRMBXrDt_VNj_StPrnPutZ+me+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1949914715.7489343.1715006236692@mail.yahoo.com>

 Morning Brian,
I have experimented with these blocks in the past, with 3/8" to 3/4" thickness' determined on the condition of my leaf spring(s).? Currently I am using a composite spring rated at 250lb. rate with no spacer.? Camber is about minus 3 deg each side.? Toe is corrected with adjustable radius arms similar to what is used on GT6's.
Just my two cents, good luck sir,Bob T'64 Spit GT? autocrosser

    On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 09:54:29 PM EDT, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hey Spit/GT6 AmiciCurious if anyone has used a 1/2" lowering block and what it did to the camber. I have one, but I really don't care to experiment blindly. Car sits at -2.6 -2.7 degrees now in the rear, but in order to get some caster in the front I'm now at -3.6 degrees up there. Thinking if the 1/2" block makes the cambers match F & R, it's worth the change.
Also, any ideas on getting more caster without further increasing camber would be appreciated (I'll be researching later)
Let me know your experiences - ThanksBrian

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From aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com  Tue May  7 10:42:59 2024
From: aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com (Alex Schlesinger)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 16:42:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7
Message-ID: <PH0PR05MB8124A01BA2DDE141D006CC3AA4E42@PH0PR05MB8124.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Amici,

I am in need of a race clutch for my TR7. From my google searches SPEC makes one, curious if anyone has any experience with that brand or if anyone can point me in the right direction of what can be used. LT77 gearbox mated to the 4 cyclinder engine.

Thank you,

[cid:image001.png at 01DAA07C.0B978840]

Alex Schlesinger
1060 Hall St. SW
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From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Tue May  7 12:05:31 2024
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 18:05:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR05MB8124A01BA2DDE141D006CC3AA4E42@PH0PR05MB8124.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH0PR05MB8124A01BA2DDE141D006CC3AA4E42@PH0PR05MB8124.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB634727D7E36707104447DD7DABE42@IA1PR19MB6347.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Tilton or quartermaster - 71/4 inch single disc .
Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Alex Schlesinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Hi Amici,

I am in need of a race clutch for my TR7. From my google searches SPEC makes one, curious if anyone has any experience with that brand or if anyone can point me in the right direction of what can be used. LT77 gearbox mated to the 4 cyclinder engine.

Thank you,

<image001.png>

Alex Schlesinger
1060 Hall St. SW
Grand Rapids, MI 49503
C: (616) 291-6531
O: (616) 452-6836
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From solarant at hotmail.com  Tue May  7 14:27:04 2024
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 20:27:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR19MB634727D7E36707104447DD7DABE42@IA1PR19MB6347.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH0PR05MB8124A01BA2DDE141D006CC3AA4E42@PH0PR05MB8124.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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https://www.powertraintech.com/products/7-25-racing-clutch





Anthony Parker, Mechanical Engineer
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tony Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 2:05:31 PM
To: Alex Schlesinger <aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7

Tilton or quartermaster - 71/4 inch single disc .
Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Alex Schlesinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Hi Amici,



I am in need of a race clutch for my TR7. From my google searches SPEC makes one, curious if anyone has any experience with that brand or if anyone can point me in the right direction of what can be used. LT77 gearbox mated to the 4 cyclinder engine.



Thank you,



<image001.png>



Alex Schlesinger

1060 Hall St. SW

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

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O: (616) 452-6836

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Tue May  7 15:04:48 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 21:04:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7
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Don?t see any springs.  Needed for road racing to save on shock to diff & drive train I?m told.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2024, at 4:34?PM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

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https://www.powertraintech.com/products/7-25-racing-clutch





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Subject: Re: [Fot] Race clutch for TR7

Tilton or quartermaster - 71/4 inch single disc .
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On May 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Alex Schlesinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Hi Amici,



I am in need of a race clutch for my TR7. From my google searches SPEC makes one, curious if anyone has any experience with that brand or if anyone can point me in the right direction of what can be used. LT77 gearbox mated to the 4 cyclinder engine.



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 12 10:15:53 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 10:15:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd?
Message-ID: <925579f4-b6c6-4b6d-9786-dd42aafff4fd@bradakis.com>

Something seems to be going on with Team Net email.

Is this thing on?

mjb.

From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 14:34:15 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] SU needle recommendation for Kent Cam (or something else?)
References: <1021467585.535901.1715891655255.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi FOT,
Just put a Kent TR4-7 cam in my TR4; 300 duration. ?3 laps at Summit point so far, and past half throttle under load, power cuts and air fuel enrichens to 10.5:1. ?BUT plugs are white.? ?Was running an RC needle from the old cam, tried RA and not much improvement. ?Even when moving adjustment to full lean. ?The last test session is cancelled, so want to see air a best guess on a needle to try - figure someone must have experience with this cam and SU?s. ?11.3:1 compression?.?

Also, just put in a new HD condenser just in case it?s an ignition problem.
Any ideas or thoughts? ?Won?t be able to test the condenser until qualifying tomorrow, but air file holding steady at 2500 rpm shows 11.5:1 which seems way rich; old cam would be lean under those conditions.

Thanks for any ideas!!
Dave Gott

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From solarant at hotmail.com  Thu May 16 15:10:18 2024
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 21:10:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU needle recommendation for Kent Cam (or something else?)
In-Reply-To: <1021467585.535901.1715891655255@mail.yahoo.com>
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What needles do you have?

As last resorts,:
-Reduce fuel level in float bowl.
-Move fattest needle down in its mount.
-Put heavier spring on top of air valve.




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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:34 PM
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Subject: [Fot] SU needle recommendation for Kent Cam (or something else?)

Hi FOT,

Just put a Kent TR4-7 cam in my TR4; 300 duration.  3 laps at Summit point so far, and past half throttle under load, power cuts and air fuel enrichens to 10.5:1.  BUT plugs are white.   Was running an RC needle from the old cam, tried RA and not much improvement.  Even when moving adjustment to full lean.  The last test session is cancelled, so want to see air a best guess on a needle to try - figure someone must have experience with this cam and SU?s.  11.3:1 compression?.

Also, just put in a new HD condenser just in case it?s an ignition problem.

Any ideas or thoughts?  Won?t be able to test the condenser until qualifying tomorrow, but air file holding steady at 2500 rpm shows 11.5:1 which seems way rich; old cam would be lean under those conditions.


Thanks for any ideas!!

Dave Gott

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu May 16 16:40:38 2024
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 18:40:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU needle recommendation for Kent Cam (or something else?)
In-Reply-To: <1021467585.535901.1715891655255@mail.yahoo.com>
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Dave, here's a link to an online SU needle comparison program. Select your
carb size and then add needles from the pull down to compare them. The RC
and RA have different curves but end up in about the same place.

 How's your timing? Is the advance working? Check your throttle linkage,
are you getting the butterflies fully open?
Compression check out OK? Do you have another set of plugs? Did you
re-check rocker clearance? Cam timing off?

http://www.mintylamb.co.uk/suneedle/

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Good luck

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On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 4:51?PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi FOT,
>
> Just put a Kent TR4-7 cam in my TR4; 300 duration.  3 laps at Summit point
> so far, and past half throttle under load, power cuts and air fuel
> enrichens to 10.5:1.  BUT plugs are white.   Was running an RC needle from
> the old cam, tried RA and not much improvement.  Even when moving
> adjustment to full lean.  The last test session is cancelled, so want to
> see air a best guess on a needle to try - figure someone must have
> experience with this cam and SU?s.  11.3:1 compression?.
>
> Also, just put in a new HD condenser just in case it?s an ignition problem.
>
> Any ideas or thoughts?  Won?t be able to test the condenser until
> qualifying tomorrow, but air file holding steady at 2500 rpm shows 11.5:1
> which seems way rich; old cam would be lean under those conditions.
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas!!
>
> Dave Gott
>
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May 16 19:00:58 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 20:00:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SU needle recommendation for Kent Cam (or something else?)
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 17 17:23:29 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 23:23:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 needle question update
References: <1926579810.767323.1715988209074.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1926579810.767323.1715988209074@mail.yahoo.com>

Found the smoking gun for the odd situation: ?cam timing was off by A Lot. ? Luckily Harbor Freight?nearby had a dial indicator. ? Cam?is now timed correctly; car seems to run great after moving the crank 28 degrees. ?:-).?
Still wondering if anyone has a similar cam and a preferred needle; this cam is very close to the Kastner F cam but with a smidge more lift. ?(But, I know: many variables). ?I?ll see how the RG needle currently installed does in the am (WET).?

Thanks again for the help; ?on site and via email! ??I fogure?the end result is always good to know!!
Dave G


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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 17 18:26:02 2024
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 17:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 needle question update
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 18 07:59:48 2024
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 13:59:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 needle question update
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References: <1926579810.767323.1715988209074@mail.yahoo.com>
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 That's a good one Justin, it's like the infamous MGB heater control valve, when the valve starts leaking it drips directly onto the distributor & kills the engine.A design feature... I think not.I had a B in the shop once where the owner made a "deflector" to keep the water off of the cap...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 08:41:55 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

 congrats on finding the culprit?
The funniest hard to find bug I ever had turned out to be a freak rust pinhole in my heater return pipe? that was entirely self sealing at low rpm and at high rpm it would only release a perfect little spray mist? right onto the distributor cap?. ?ultimately causing the car to quit? (but the moisture would dry so quickly that it wasn?t perceptible, not even leaving any sign of coolant)? The car wouldn?t start for a while, but then it would be fine!
I only found it because the car died on a dark road with only one source of light? in the odd lighting?without a flashlight? i could see electrical charges swimming around my cap? ?and when I reached down and revved the motor? I spotted the little misty stream out of the corner of my eye! ?It was not visible in daylight!
?Justin?


On May 17, 2024, at 4:28?PM, David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Found the smoking gun for the odd situation: ?cam timing was off by A Lot. ? Luckily Harbor Freight?nearby had a dial indicator. ? Cam?is now timed correctly; car seems to run great after moving the crank 28 degrees. ?:-).?
Still wondering if anyone has a similar cam and a preferred needle; this cam is very close to the Kastner F cam but with a smidge more lift. ?(But, I know: many variables). ?I?ll see how the RG needle currently installed does in the am (WET).?

Thanks again for the help; ?on site and via email! ??I fogure?the end result is always good to know!!
Dave G


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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed May 22 10:16:53 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 12:16:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
Message-ID: <00a101daac63$76a33c40$63e9b4c0$@mindspring.com>

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

 

I like to have a back up set.

 

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Wed May 22 11:39:08 2024
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 10:39:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
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Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Mark Cook via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
To: Friends of Triumph Group Email
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.? In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

I like to have a back up set.

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed May 22 12:34:07 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 18:34:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
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They are also in Charlotte, 877 899 5024 I think the shoes are made somewhere in Ohio but they can tell you


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John H. Hasty
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:39 PM
To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>; Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Mark Cook via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
To: Friends of Triumph Group Email<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

I like to have a back up set.

Thanks,

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed May 22 14:36:50 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 16:36:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
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John and Ken,

 

Thanks and will give Carbotech a call ? was not aware they would reline brake shoes since it is not mentioned on their site.

 

Do you use the XP8 or XP10 compound?

 

Much appreciated,

 

Mark

 

From: John H. Hasty [mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 2:34 PM
To: Ken Knight; Mark Cook; Friends of Triumph Group Email
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

They are also in Charlotte, 877 899 5024 I think the shoes are made somewhere in Ohio but they can tell you

 

 


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Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.

301 S. York St., 

P.O. Box 488

Gastonia, NC 28053

704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:39 PM
To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>; Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken

 

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From: Mark Cook via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
To: Friends of Triumph Group Email <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

 

I like to have a back up set.

 

Thanks,


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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed May 22 14:53:06 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 16:53:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
Message-ID: <008f01daac8a$0bb9c800$232d5800$@mindspring.com>

All,

 

I spoke with Carbotech this afternoon after John and Ken?s email.  Carbotech will reline brake shoes and are familiar with vintage racing and autocross requirements.

 

Send the cores, along with brake drum specs (inside diameter so they can arc it correctly) and  your contact information (phone, email and address) to the Carbotech address below (not their Cleveland location).   They will give you a call back regarding the compound to use/recommended, based on type of racing (or street), vehicle drum size etc.

 

Carbotech Performance Brakes

4031 Dearborn Place N.W.

Concord, NC 28027

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Mark Cook [mailto:mecook at mindspring.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 4:37 PM
To: 'John H. Hasty'; 'Ken Knight'
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph Group Email'
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

John and Ken,

 

Thanks and will give Carbotech a call ? was not aware they would reline brake shoes since it is not mentioned on their site.

 

Do you use the XP8 or XP10 compound?

 

Much appreciated,

 

Mark

 

From: John H. Hasty [mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 2:34 PM
To: Ken Knight; Mark Cook; Friends of Triumph Group Email
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

They are also in Charlotte, 877 899 5024 I think the shoes are made somewhere in Ohio but they can tell you

 

 


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Of Counsel

Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.

301 S. York St., 

P.O. Box 488

Gastonia, NC 28053

704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:39 PM
To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>; Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken

 

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From: Mark Cook via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
To: Friends of Triumph Group Email <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

 

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

 

I like to have a back up set.

 

Thanks,


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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed May 22 15:00:08 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 21:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
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We use whatever compound that is meant by them for autocross, don?t remember the number, once you order from them they have that info on file and you need only to re-order and they have the specs. They did my TR3 rear shoes, and it seems that I had to give them the old shoes first which wasn?t a problem for me since I was less than 15 miles away.  I delt with Paul Jr.


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Of Counsel
Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
301 S. York St.,
P.O. Box 488
Gastonia, NC 28053
704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
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From: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 4:37 PM
To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>; 'Ken Knight' <kknight at klaenv.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph Group Email' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

John and Ken,

Thanks and will give Carbotech a call ? was not aware they would reline brake shoes since it is not mentioned on their site.

Do you use the XP8 or XP10 compound?

Much appreciated,

Mark

From: John H. Hasty [mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 2:34 PM
To: Ken Knight; Mark Cook; Friends of Triumph Group Email
Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

They are also in Charlotte, 877 899 5024 I think the shoes are made somewhere in Ohio but they can tell you


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Of Counsel
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301 S. York St.,
P.O. Box 488
Gastonia, NC 28053
704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:39 PM
To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com<mailto:mecook at mindspring.com>>; Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Mark Cook via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
To: Friends of Triumph Group Email<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes

Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?

I like to have a back up set.

Thanks,

Mark Cook


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu May 23 08:36:18 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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I used Carbotech a few times for front pads.  I had lots of problems with them.  Quality control is/was terrible.  The backing plate was ground down to the friction material at the sides of the pads and they were not square.  So, there was far to much clearance in the caliper slot.  This caused the piston to torque once the brakes were applied.  This makes the pads wear at an extreme angle and the pistons were leaving a witness mark in the bore from the induced torquing and side load.  The hot friction material was making contact with the caliper casting.  I talked with Carbotech a few times about this and they were completely defensive and said they sell a lot of these pads and no one ever complained about this problem before.  They were not willing to check quality control or make them correctly.  I took many photos and some video of exactly what was happening and made a direct comparison to standard pads and Hawk pads.  The standard pads were NOS from a quality manufacturer, which I can't recall at the moment.  Standard backing plate have a pretty tight fit in the caliper.  I think I found .010" clearance.  I found that the Hawk pads have very consistent production quality.  So I switched to Hawk.  I did like the feel of the Carbotech pads, but they really caused problems.  
I'll share some photos and later.
Dave H.

> On 05/22/2024 1:53 PM PDT Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> All,
> 
>  
> 
> I spoke with Carbotech this afternoon after John and Ken?s email.  Carbotech will reline brake shoes and are familiar with vintage racing and autocross requirements.
> 
>  
> 
> Send the cores, along with brake drum specs (inside diameter so they can arc it correctly) and  your contact information (phone, email and address) to the Carbotech address below (not their Cleveland location).   They will give you a call back regarding the compound to use/recommended, based on type of racing (or street), vehicle drum size etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Carbotech Performance Brakes
> 
> 4031 Dearborn Place N.W.
> 
> Concord, NC 28027
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mark Cook [mailto:mecook at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 4:37 PM
> To: 'John H. Hasty'; 'Ken Knight'
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph Group Email'
> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
> 
>  
> 
> John and Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks and will give Carbotech a call ? was not aware they would reline brake shoes since it is not mentioned on their site.
> 
>  
> 
> Do you use the XP8 or XP10 compound?
> 
>  
> 
> Much appreciated,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> From: John H. Hasty [mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 2:34 PM
> To: Ken Knight; Mark Cook; Friends of Triumph Group Email
> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
> 
>  
> 
> They are also in Charlotte, 877 899 5024 I think the shoes are made somewhere in Ohio but they can tell you
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> [image001.png]
> 
>  
> 
> John H. Hasty
> 
> Of Counsel
> 
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 
> 301 S. York St.,
> 
> P.O. Box 488
> 
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> 
> mhc-law.com http://mhc-law.com/ | jhasty at mhc-law.com mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:39 PM
> To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>; Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
> 
>  
> 
> Carbotech.  Used them for years.  They are in TX, use the Google.  Good Luck, Ken
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mark Cook via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:35 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph Group Email mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes
> 
>  
> 
> Porterfield is continuing to have production problems (since January) with the TR6 234 R-4 brake shoes due to curing issues and are trying a new resin.  In the meantime, is there another compatible product/brand for racing?
> 
>  
> 
> I like to have a back up set.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Mark Cook
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From fintouch at ptd.net  Thu May 23 13:48:18 2024
From: fintouch at ptd.net (finishing Touch)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 15:48:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
In-Reply-To: <746772936.1389257.1716474978675@connect.xfinity.com>
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I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never 
had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.

Mike Kurtz
#51 TR6




From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 23 15:01:56 2024
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 17:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> 
> Mike Kurtz
> #51 TR6
> 
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 23 15:26:46 2024
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 21:26:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
In-Reply-To: <411DFE38-2165-4BD2-BB2D-9F5F7F678616@me.com>
References: <a43b4500-4a3b-4f17-b622-d87d437e3803@ptd.net>
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I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.

Scott (B.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> 
> Mike Kurtz
> #51 TR6
> 
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Thu May 23 16:43:36 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 18:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22439C6C23B407CCCF7BCF6AE1F42@BN7PR15MB2243.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a43b4500-4a3b-4f17-b622-d87d437e3803@ptd.net>
 <411DFE38-2165-4BD2-BB2D-9F5F7F678616@me.com>
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Seems like there are several options for front brake pads, just not many for the rear brake shoes.  Outside of stock compounds for brake shoes which are not compatible for racing, racing compounds seem limited to Porterfield R-4, Carbotech, maybe Racetorations and Cambridge Motorsports' "uprated Mintex" shoes.  I understand Revington might make something.  Problem is not knowing the temp specs and torque/bite on these latter shoes based on the website descriptions.

Will share anything new that I learn.

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:27 PM
To: Scott Janzen; finishing Touch
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.

Scott (B.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> 
> Mike Kurtz
> #51 TR6
> 
> 
> 
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 23 16:55:18 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 22:55:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
In-Reply-To: <006c01daad62$a6439c60$f2cad520$@mindspring.com>
References: <a43b4500-4a3b-4f17-b622-d87d437e3803@ptd.net>
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I?m using stock shoes in the back of my TR4; seems to work OK! ?:-) and yes, I?m typically braking pretty late and hard.
I?m curious if anyone gets any real temperature on the rear brakes? ?Mine seem just a little warm coming off track?. ?But maybe others have cooked stock compound?shoes?
Dave G


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, May 23, 2024, 6:47 PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Seems like there are several options for front brake pads, just not many for the rear brake shoes.? Outside of stock compounds for brake shoes which are not compatible for racing, racing compounds seem limited to Porterfield R-4, Carbotech, maybe Racetorations and Cambridge Motorsports' "uprated Mintex" shoes.? I understand Revington might make something.? Problem is not knowing the temp specs and torque/bite on these latter shoes based on the website descriptions.

Will share anything new that I learn.

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:27 PM
To: Scott Janzen; finishing Touch
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.? I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.? I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.? The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.? If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.

Scott (B.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining

I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> 
> Mike Kurtz
> #51 TR6
> 
> 
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu May 23 18:32:48 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 17:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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Excuse me for not commenting specifically about the rear shoes.  I also use standard street shoes from Moss on the back of my TR3 with Datsun aluminum drums.  No problems at all.  Little wear as well.  I?ve changed the front pads a number of times in comparison during my relatively short racing years.
Dave H.

> On 05/23/2024 3:55 PM PDT David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I?m using stock shoes in the back of my TR4; seems to work OK!  :-) and yes, I?m typically braking pretty late and hard.
>  
> I?m curious if anyone gets any real temperature on the rear brakes?  Mine seem just a little warm coming off track?.  But maybe others have cooked stock compound shoes?
>  
> Dave G
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> 
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024, 6:47 PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> > Seems like there are several options for front brake pads, just not many for the rear brake shoes.  Outside of stock compounds for brake shoes which are not compatible for racing, racing compounds seem limited to Porterfield R-4, Carbotech, maybe Racetorations and Cambridge Motorsports' "uprated Mintex" shoes.  I understand Revington might make something.  Problem is not knowing the temp specs and torque/bite on these latter shoes based on the website descriptions.
> > 
> > Will share anything new that I learn.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:27 PM
> > To: Scott Janzen; finishing Touch
> > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net mailto:FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net mailto:FOT at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
> > 
> > I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.
> > 
> > Scott (B.)
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
> > To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net mailto:fintouch at ptd.net>
> > Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
> > 
> > I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> > >
> > > Mike Kurtz
> > > #51 TR6
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From afterapex at gmail.com  Thu May 23 19:25:08 2024
From: afterapex at gmail.com (greg powell)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 18:25:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu May 23 19:27:59 2024
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 21:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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My issues with Carbotech has not been the quality of the pads, it has 
been the shoes for the rear drums. I have had a couple of failures where 
the lining breaks up at the top or bottom edge, and once it starts 
crumbling, it is game over. I got to the point where I was mixing and 
matching shoes from different sets to actually get 4 shoes to wear out 
evenly.

Last year there was a thread here about running stock linings on the 
rear shoes, and the first thing in my head was that's nuts. But taking 
into account where those racers were finishing, I decided the worst 
thing that would happen is I needed to swap brake shoes in the paddock.

OK, I didn't go with the Moss Motors "who knows where they came from" 
shoes, I went to Rock Auto and spent all the money on a set of genuine 
Raybestos shoes, currently available for a whopping $32 plus shipping. I 
ran them for the first time at Summit Point last weekend and they seemed 
fine. Obviously, until I put eyes on them the jury is still out, but I 
really didn't think I could tell any difference in stopping power. Most 
importantly, my lap times were OK and consistent.

Thinking I probably had less coefficient of braking, I did nudge the 
balance bar a tad to the rear, and after the first session where I did a 
completely crap job of bedding them in, I never thought about them all 
weekend.

Henry

On 2024-05-23 10:36, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
> I used Carbotech a few times for front pads.  I had lots of problems
> with them.  Quality control is/was terrible.  The backing plate was
> ground down to the friction material at the sides of the pads and they
> were not square.  So, there was far to much clearance in the caliper
> slot.  This caused the piston to torque once the brakes were applied.
> This makes the pads wear at an extreme angle and the pistons were
> leaving a witness mark in the bore from the induced torquing and side
> load.  The hot friction material was making contact with the caliper
> casting.  I talked with Carbotech a few times about this and they were
> completely defensive and said they sell a lot of these pads and no one
> ever complained about this problem before.  They were not willing to
> check quality control or make them correctly.  I took many photos and
> some video of exactly what was happening and made a direct comparison
> to standard pads and Hawk pads.  The standard pads were NOS from a
> quality manufacturer, which I can't recall at the moment.  Standard
> backing plate have a pretty tight fit in the caliper.  I think I found
> .010" clearance.  I found that the Hawk pads have very consistent
> production quality.  So I switched to Hawk.  I did like the feel of
> the Carbotech pads, but they really caused problems.
>  I'll share some photos and later.

From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 23 20:45:07 2024
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 21:45:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
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We?ve been running stock shoes on the ChampCar TR6 for a long time now. We?ve needed the extra life to make it through a weekend. I?ve been running stock shoes in the vintage cars for decades. Occasionally one begins to crumble. I always err on the loose side of show adjustment and am probably giving up some rear braking.

On the endurance car, the addition of a splitter and a read wing last year has changed the brake dynamics. While we dropped lap times the  brakes can?t survive. We?ve cooked both the front and the back. 
We are going to have to upgrade to Wilwood all around. 

You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On May 23, 2024, at 9:04?PM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My issues with Carbotech has not been the quality of the pads, it has been the shoes for the rear drums. I have had a couple of failures where the lining breaks up at the top or bottom edge, and once it starts crumbling, it is game over. I got to the point where I was mixing and matching shoes from different sets to actually get 4 shoes to wear out evenly.
> 
> Last year there was a thread here about running stock linings on the rear shoes, and the first thing in my head was that's nuts. But taking into account where those racers were finishing, I decided the worst thing that would happen is I needed to swap brake shoes in the paddock.
> 
> OK, I didn't go with the Moss Motors "who knows where they came from" shoes, I went to Rock Auto and spent all the money on a set of genuine Raybestos shoes, currently available for a whopping $32 plus shipping. I ran them for the first time at Summit Point last weekend and they seemed fine. Obviously, until I put eyes on them the jury is still out, but I really didn't think I could tell any difference in stopping power. Most importantly, my lap times were OK and consistent.
> 
> Thinking I probably had less coefficient of braking, I did nudge the balance bar a tad to the rear, and after the first session where I did a completely crap job of bedding them in, I never thought about them all weekend.
> 
> Henry
> 
>> On 2024-05-23 10:36, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>> I used Carbotech a few times for front pads.  I had lots of problems
>> with them.  Quality control is/was terrible.  The backing plate was
>> ground down to the friction material at the sides of the pads and they
>> were not square.  So, there was far to much clearance in the caliper
>> slot.  This caused the piston to torque once the brakes were applied.
>> This makes the pads wear at an extreme angle and the pistons were
>> leaving a witness mark in the bore from the induced torquing and side
>> load.  The hot friction material was making contact with the caliper
>> casting.  I talked with Carbotech a few times about this and they were
>> completely defensive and said they sell a lot of these pads and no one
>> ever complained about this problem before.  They were not willing to
>> check quality control or make them correctly.  I took many photos and
>> some video of exactly what was happening and made a direct comparison
>> to standard pads and Hawk pads.  The standard pads were NOS from a
>> quality manufacturer, which I can't recall at the moment.  Standard
>> backing plate have a pretty tight fit in the caliper.  I think I found
>> .010" clearance.  I found that the Hawk pads have very consistent
>> production quality.  So I switched to Hawk.  I did like the feel of
>> the Carbotech pads, but they really caused problems.
>> I'll share some photos and later.
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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri May 24 15:55:03 2024
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From gt6racer at msn.com  Sat May 25 07:48:59 2024
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 13:48:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU float needle/seat
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Hi All, am having a little trouble with the needle/seat in my SU HS4 using the AM viton tipped parts from Moss. Using pressure 3-4 PSI (running) they have a quickly (< 1 hour use, but a lot of assembly/disassembly) shown a visible line, and are now sticking. Is there a recommended source for these parts ?   I see 070 and 096 bore parts offered - which is considered best for HS4 on a race 1300 ?
Should I be running higher fuel pressure ?

Thank you,
      Andrew Devenish

Sent from my iPad

> On May 23, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.
>
> Scott (B.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
> To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
> Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
>
> I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
>>
>> Mike Kurtz
>> #51 TR6
>>
>>
>>
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Sat May 25 08:20:07 2024
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 10:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU float needle/seat
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Andrew,

I presume they are sticking closed, not open?

I've seen some where the brass seat has a sharp edge that grabs the viton,
locking it shut.

I take a small center drill and break the sharp edge by hand.   That seems
to help.

3 to 4 psi is plenty high enough.   I run closer to 2 psi on mine.

Jason


On Sat, May 25, 2024, 9:59?AM Andrew Devenish via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi All, am having a little trouble with the needle/seat in my SU HS4 using
> the AM viton tipped parts from Moss. Using pressure 3-4 PSI (running) they
> have a quickly (< 1 hour use, but a lot of assembly/disassembly) shown a
> visible line, and are now sticking. Is there a recommended source for these
> parts ?   I see 070 and 096 bore parts offered - which is considered best
> for HS4 on a race 1300 ?
> Should I be running higher fuel pressure ?
>
> Thank you,
>       Andrew Devenish
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 23, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track
> days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I
> always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well,
> though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my
> GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also
> work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If
> you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option,
> in my opinion.
> >
> > Scott (B.)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:02 PM
> > To: finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
> > Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech
> relining
> >
> > I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or
> better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried
> quite a few.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and
> never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
> >>
> >> Mike Kurtz
> >> #51 TR6
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From gt6racer at msn.com  Sat May 25 09:40:59 2024
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 15:40:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SU float needle/seat
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Hi Jason, thanks for the reply. I think that is exactly what is happening. The car starts and runs very crisply, but after a few laps of the yard the O2 tells me it goes very lean and then it stops. Fuel pressure is still good. When I check, the fuel is very low in the front bowl, and the front two plug shows lean. I will carefully break that edge as you suggest.

Thank you,
      Andrew Devenish

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On May 25, 2024, at 10:20?AM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC <jason at jsperformancemotoring.com> wrote:

?
Andrew,

I presume they are sticking closed, not open?

I've seen some where the brass seat has a sharp edge that grabs the viton, locking it shut.

I take a small center drill and break the sharp edge by hand.   That seems to help.

3 to 4 psi is plenty high enough.   I run closer to 2 psi on mine.

Jason


On Sat, May 25, 2024, 9:59?AM Andrew Devenish via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Hi All, am having a little trouble with the needle/seat in my SU HS4 using the AM viton tipped parts from Moss. Using pressure 3-4 PSI (running) they have a quickly (< 1 hour use, but a lot of assembly/disassembly) shown a visible line, and are now sticking. Is there a recommended source for these parts ?   I see 070 and 096 bore parts offered - which is considered best for HS4 on a race 1300 ?
Should I be running higher fuel pressure ?

Thank you,
      Andrew Devenish

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> On May 23, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
> ?I loved the Carbotech pads when I was using them on my GT6 for track days.  I never had the odd wear problems that have been described.  I always used the Hawk Blues on my Spitfire racer and liked those as well, though they didn't have to deal with the same heat as was generated by my GT6 brakes at Blackhawk.  The Hawk Blues I use on my Spec Racer Ford also work really well and stand up to enough heat to turn the rotors blue.  If you're unhappy with the Carbotech pads, the Hawk Blues are a good option, in my opinion.
>
> Scott (B.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
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> Cc: Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Porterfield R-4 Rear Brake Shoes - Carbotech relining
>
> I agree. I get the pre-heated ones too. Carbotech stops as well or better, and last longer than any other pads I?ve tried, and I?ve tried quite a few.
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 23, 2024, at 4:10?PM, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>> ?I'm on my 3rd set of Carbotech front pads for my TR6 race car and never had any issues....I do spend the extra $ and have them pre-bedded.
>>
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>> #51 TR6
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sun May 26 10:32:10 2024
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 12:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New member
Message-ID: <CAGctxs6+4ZQixJmE82RTLCFSFcKHJwNo9b7Ktf5Z2H53mW5i7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Please welcome Kevin Kral with a 1963 Spitfire 4 that has been raced since
the '60s. His email is kevinjkral at gmail.com.

He has owned it since 2010 and is working in a SCCA license.

Regards,
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Sun May 26 11:30:03 2024
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 11:30:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member
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Welcome KevinSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 5/26/24  10:33 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] New member Please welcome Kevin Kral with a 1963 Spitfire 4 that has been raced since the '60s. His email is kevinjkral at gmail.com.He has owned it since 2010 and is working in a SCCA license.Regards,Doug Mitchelldbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 26 15:33:44 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 15:33:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member
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Okay, he is added to the list.  Welcome aboard!

mjb.


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May 28 16:14:37 2024
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 22:14:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Ghost Racing Triumph GT6+ Blackhawk Farms In Car
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Love the promo write up!  guess I gotta watch the video!

Cheers, Henry Morrison
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2024 3:55 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Ghost Racing Triumph GT6+ Blackhawk Farms In Car

?While the racing world prepares itself for a glimpse into the deep pockets of F1 at Monaco and the glory of the Indy 500, take a few minutes here to enjoy the hot seat of a common man.
We don?t get too many chances to see in car from the GT6 guys... Brendan Alexander was kind enough to capture this group 8 race footage of me on an angry drive at Blackhawk Farms last summer.
The video is neat because it shows off the cars strength and weakness.
I have grown to be proud of the car?s ability to race with and ultimately devour cars that are much faster.
It is a period correct car that drips its own race history; shipped directly from the factory in 1969 and built for SCCA competition. Qualified for the run offs and raced at Daytona in 1969 and had solid runs at Road Atlanta in 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974.
It remains as such and races currently in its original production specs-
-Stock CD 150 Stromberg carbs with original intake manifold.
-Stock rods and crank
-Original Delco distributor with points and condenser
-No alternator, no fan
What this GT6 lacks in straight line speed can often be overcome because it will let you take it anywhere you?d like to go.

The footage also highlights the Hard work and engineering brilliance of two modern GT6 masterminds.
Behold me being passed by Alex Amys (white) and Daniel Gehweiler (red). These two gentlemen have taken the more modern triple Weber platform to previously unmatched levels of GT6 excellence.
Just listen to song of their exhaust note playing through custom headers?as they walk by effortlessly; it is something like the sound of a car breathing in shots of Everclear while passing an older fellow?s car sipping Mull Wine.

<https://youtu.be/EzHJsJGJ6Qw>
[maxresdefault.jpg]
2023 Blackhawk Classic Friendly Ghost Racing In-Car Footage Triumph GT6<https://youtu.be/EzHJsJGJ6Qw>
youtu.be<https://youtu.be/EzHJsJGJ6Qw>
Enjoy.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars


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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue May 28 16:57:09 2024
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 22:57:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Ghost Racing Triumph GT6+ Blackhawk Farms In Car
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Agreed Henry, and yes the video is good fun!?See you at Blackhawk Jason?
Jake


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On Tuesday, May 28, 2024, 5:17 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

#yiv2986808940 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Love the promo write up!? guess I gotta watch the video!
Cheers, Henry MorrisonFrom: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2024 3:55 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Ghost Racing Triumph GT6+ Blackhawk Farms In Car??While the racing world prepares itself for a glimpse into the deep pockets of F1 at Monaco and the glory of the Indy 500, take a few minutes here to enjoy the hot seat of a common man.We don?t get too many chances to see in car from the GT6 guys... Brendan Alexander was kind enough to capture this group 8 race footage of me on an angry drive at Blackhawk Farms last summer.The video is neat because it shows off the cars strength and weakness.?I have grown to be proud of the car?s ability to race with and ultimately devour cars that are much faster.It is a period correct car that drips its own race history; shipped directly from the factory in 1969 and built for SCCA competition. Qualified for the run offs and raced at Daytona in 1969 and had solid runs at Road Atlanta in 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974.?It remains as such and races currently in its original production specs--Stock CD 150 Stromberg carbs with original intake manifold.-Stock rods and crank-Original Delco distributor with points and condenser?-No alternator, no fanWhat this GT6 lacks in straight line speed can often be overcome because it will let you take it anywhere you?d like to go.
The footage also highlights the Hard work and engineering brilliance of two modern GT6 masterminds.?Behold me being passed by Alex Amys (white) and Daniel Gehweiler (red). These two gentlemen have taken the more modern triple Weber platform to previously unmatched levels of GT6 excellence.?Just listen to song of their exhaust note playing through custom headers?as they walk by effortlessly; it is something like the sound of a car breathing in shots of Everclear while passing an older fellow?s car sipping Mull Wine.?

|  |
| 
| 2023 Blackhawk Classic Friendly Ghost Racing In-Car Footage Triumph GT6youtu.be |

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Enjoy.Jason Ostrowski?Friendly Ghost Racing?1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May 30 11:01:54 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 12:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRW 33976T valve
Message-ID: <C341A756-F337-479F-8706-CB199F4EE87A@icloud.com>

Folks,

The machine shop lost one of our exhaust valves. I can?t find a replacement with this number. 

Anyone know of a source?

TRW 33976T

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 30 11:59:40 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 17:59:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TRW 33976T valve
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Actually, ?looks like Ted Schumacher might have them as well, at TSI automotive. ?Is this a TR4 exhaust valve? ?I just had Manley custom make some for me?
Check out here:
https://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr3tr4aparts.html
Thanks,Dave

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On Thursday, May 30, 2024, 1:16 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Folks,
The machine shop lost one of our exhaust valves. I can?t find a replacement with this number.?
Anyone know of a source?



TRW 33976T

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From bbtr250 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 13:09:26 2024
From: bbtr250 at gmail.com (Bryan Brazelton)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 14:09:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRW 33976T valve
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I would contact Chris at S I Valves in California.  They just made me 3
full Sets.  It depends on what size valve you want.

800-564-8258

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 1:13?PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Actually,  looks like Ted Schumacher might have them as well, at TSI
> automotive.  Is this a TR4 exhaust valve?  I just had Manley custom make
> some for me?
>
> Check out here:
>
> https://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr3tr4aparts.html
>
> <https://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr3tr4aparts.html>Thanks,
> Dave
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>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024, 1:16 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> The machine shop lost one of our exhaust valves. I can?t find a
> replacement with this number.
>
> Anyone know of a source?
>
>
> TRW 33976T
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May 30 19:40:56 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 20:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TRW 33976T valve
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 20:18:03 2024
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 22:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive parts
Message-ID: <F29A7EAA-2394-47A2-8BA6-699C1DF5DFFD@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I?ve got a mostly complete A type overdrive that I?d like to try on my TR4A.  Most everything inside looks really good, but it is missing some parts.  I?ve circled the parts I need in the following picture:

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The parts I need are the accumulator springs (44), the solenoid bracket, solenoid, actuating lever, etc (55-59a and 62), the pump cam (4), and the spring set (64).  Does anyone have a spare junk overdrive unit that would have these parts or the parts themselves that they would be willing to part with?

I realize I should probably buy new springs and solenoid anyway, but I thought I would ask first.

Thanks,

Chuck