From mark at efishers.com Mon Jul 1 14:27:41 2024 From: mark at efishers.com (Mark Fisher) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 20:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 1 14:39:41 2024 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 16:39:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m a big fan of these Carbotech pads -if the attachment comes through. If not, CT2-XP10, pre-bedded. Last a long time, no excessive rotor wear, better, more consistent bite than Hawk Blues, Porterfields, some other makes I?ve tried. The pre- bedding is great - little need to bed in the brakes. I should note that the GT6 is hard on brakes - I?ll have rotor temps of 400 degrees when I come off the track. May not be the right compound for a Spitfire. I?m aware of TR4 racers using them - same calipers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2024-07-01 at 4.33.35 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 194135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 1 15:07:50 2024 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:07:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On my Spitfire, I used Hawk Blue pads. On my GT6, I used Carbotech Panther Plus pads. No idea if the Panther Plus pads are still available, since that was more than 20 years ago. Scott Barr, Attorney McCarty? Law LLP P: 920.257.2233 If you?d like the option to use encryption to send information to me, let me know. This message is subject to our email communication policy, available here From: Fot On Behalf Of Mark Fisher via Fot Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 3:28 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 2 21:42:30 2024 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18647983-983A-4094-9938-D4D889F48F6F@multivintage.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jul 3 06:39:35 2024 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 12:39:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <18647983-983A-4094-9938-D4D889F48F6F@multivintage.com> References: <18647983-983A-4094-9938-D4D889F48F6F@multivintage.com> Message-ID: Before you accept Jason's generous offer of uses pads, let me say that it's been my experience with the Hawk Blues that they're all done when they get to about one-third thickness. I don't know the science of it, but under half thickness, certainly at one-third thickness, they get hard to modulate, tend to lock up and generally make life difficult. Still love 'em. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 10:42:30 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Mark Fisher ; FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads Mark, For your car, with the 16P calipers I recommend the hawk blue. A consistent and maintainable set up uses a stock GT6 rotor- thickness of about .5?. True them up perfect on a rotor lathe. The $169.00 pads should last you a minimum of 2 full race weekends if you drive your ass off going for a class win. Also, If you have any interest, I have dozens good used pads that you you are welcome to pick from anytime. Complements of Friendly Ghost Racing. ?-?Probably one of the top 10 Best GT6 racecar teams of all Time? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? On my Spitfire, I used Hawk Blue pads. On my GT6, I used Carbotech Panther Plus pads. No idea if the Panther Plus pads are still available, since that was more than 20 years ago. Scott Barr, Attorney McCarty? Law LLP P: 920.257.2233 If you?d like the option to use encryption to send information to me, let me know. This message is subject to our email communication policy, available here From: Fot On Behalf Of Mark Fisher via Fot Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 3:28 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at efishers.com Wed Jul 3 07:25:59 2024 From: mark at efishers.com (Mark Fisher) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: References: <18647983-983A-4094-9938-D4D889F48F6F@multivintage.com> Message-ID: <1283514893.640821.1720013159285@mail.yahoo.com> Y'all are the best!? It is great to get the benefit of your experience.? We ran a Midwestern Council 2 hour Enduro with the Spit and our dog-eared Champcar TR7.? It was great back and forth racing, even though both cars were not at peak performance.? So much fun... Mark "Silo" Fisher On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 07:39:43 AM CDT, Barr, Scott wrote: Before you accept Jason's generous offer of uses pads, let me say that it's been my experience with the Hawk Blues that they're all done when they get to about one-third thickness.? I don't know the science of it, but under half thickness, certainly at one-third thickness, they get hard to modulate, tend to lock up and generally make life difficult. Still love 'em. Scott BarrMcCarty Law LLP(920) 257-2233From: Jason Ostrowski Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 10:42:30 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Mark Fisher ; FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads?Mark,?For your car, ?with the 16P calipers I recommend the hawk blue.?A consistent and maintainable set up uses a stock GT6 rotor- thickness of about .5?.?True them up perfect on a rotor lathe. ?The $169.00 pads should last you a minimum of 2 full race weekends if you drive your ass off going for a class win.Also,?If you have any interest, I have dozens good used pads that you you are welcome to pick from anytime.Complements of Friendly Ghost Racing.?-?Probably one of the top 10 Best GT6 racecar teams of all Time? Jason Ostrowski?Friendly Ghost Racing?1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? On my Spitfire, I used Hawk Blue pads.? On my GT6, I used Carbotech Panther Plus pads.? No idea if the Panther Plus pads are still available, since that was more than 20 years ago. ? ? Scott Barr,Attorney? ??McCarty?? Law LLP?P: 920.257.2233 If you?d like the option to use encryption to send information to me, let me know. This message is subject to our email communication policy, availablehere ? ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Mark Fisher via Fot Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 3:28 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads ? Hi All: ? What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? ? Thanks in advance, ? Mark Fisher ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 3 09:37:32 2024 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape.Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. This applies to all TRs.I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. Glen Efinger On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot wrote: Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com Wed Jul 3 10:25:21 2024 From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 12:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glen, great point! Seems that many race pad manufacturers try to give us the most material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck. This definitely works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run. More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say. It doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in the right direction. In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. Jason Sukey JS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720 jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is > make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the > profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the > disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, > ie not be rectangular shape. > Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & > they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the > pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of > "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular > shaped pads do as they wear. > This applies to all TRs. > I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of > the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. > > Glen Efinger > > On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All: > > What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Fisher > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 3 12:51:08 2024 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here. I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also due to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to the heat - related issues. However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, doesn?t that result in either: a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against the piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting the rotor and it just wears down until there is full contact, or b) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad is at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing more wear on those parts? Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is noticeable taper, I generally have found they are well more than half gone and I just replace them. I like my brakes to be at max performance. Same deal with rotors - especially stock ones are cheap for these cars, though I have gotten to splurging on the grooved, dimpled ones that do seem to provide a bit better braking and longer life of all components. On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot wrote: Glen, great point! Seems that many race pad manufacturers try to give us the most material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck. This definitely works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run. More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say. It doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in the right direction. In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. Jason Sukey JS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720 jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot > wrote: Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape. Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. This applies to all TRs. I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. Glen Efinger On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot > wrote: Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 3 12:59:45 2024 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:59:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> Message-ID: I think they are talking the shape of the periphery of the friction material, not the thickness.? Same thickness inside rotor to outside rotor, but "shorter" pad material closer to the center of the rotor.? Shaped like \_/ Piston / brake pad is flat to the rotor. Cheers, Tony On 7/3/2024 1:51 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here. > I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also > due to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to > the heat - related issues. > However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, > doesn?t that result in either: > a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against > the piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting > the rotor and it just wears down until there is full contact, or > b) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad > is at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing > more wear on those parts? > > Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is > noticeable taper, I generally have found they are well more than half > gone and I just replace them. ?I like my brakes to be at max > performance. ?Same deal with rotors - especially stock ones are cheap > for these cars, though I have gotten to splurging on the grooved, > dimpled ones that do seem to provide a bit better braking and longer > life of all components. > > On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot > wrote: > > Glen, great point! > > Seems that many race pad manufacturers?try to give us the most > material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material > puck.? This definitely?works against us with the ancient, two piston > calipers we run.? More heat, and more surface speed out towards the > edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. > > I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape > of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say.? It > doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a > big step in the right direction. > > In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big > file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the > same thing. > > Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps > keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the > fluid/seals. > > > Jason Sukey > JS Performance Motoring, LLC > 440.984.7720 > jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see > mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie > backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down > towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a > trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape. > Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the > disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards > the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't > develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st > brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. > This applies to all TRs. > I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the > shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. > > Glen Efinger > > On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi All: > > What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Fisher > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com Wed Jul 3 13:11:03 2024 From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:11:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, I've attached a picture showing what I was referring to as far as pad shape. I've started rotating between two sets of pads each race weekend. I true them up between races. It's not extreme, but there's enough taper wear during half of a weekend that I notice a slightly better pedal feel after swapping them out. Jason Sukey JS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720 jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 2:51?PM Scott Janzen wrote: > OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here. > I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also due > to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to the heat > - related issues. > However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, doesn?t > that result in either: > a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against the > piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting the rotor > and it just wears down until there is full contact, or > b) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad is > at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing more wear > on those parts? > > Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is noticeable > taper, I generally have found they are well more than half gone and I just > replace them. I like my brakes to be at max performance. Same deal with > rotors - especially stock ones are cheap for these cars, though I have > gotten to splurging on the grooved, dimpled ones that do seem to provide a > bit better braking and longer life of all components. > > On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Glen, great point! > > Seems that many race pad manufacturers try to give us the most material > for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck. This > definitely works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run. > More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a > recipe for radial taper. > > I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of > the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say. It doesn't > eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in > the right direction. > > In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file > to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. > > Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep > the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. > > > Jason Sukey > JS Performance Motoring, LLC > 440.984.7720 > jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > >> Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is >> make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the >> profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the >> disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, >> ie not be rectangular shape. >> Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & >> they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the >> pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of >> "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular >> shaped pads do as they wear. >> This applies to all TRs. >> I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape >> of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. >> >> Glen Efinger >> >> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All: >> >> What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Mark Fisher >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Tony On 7/3/2024 1:51 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here. > I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also due to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to the heat - related issues. > However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, doesn?t that result in either: > a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against the piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting the rotor and it just wears down until there is full contact, or > b) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad is at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing more wear on those parts? > > Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is noticeable taper, I generally have found they are well more than half gone and I just replace them. I like my brakes to be at max performance. Same deal with rotors - especially stock ones are cheap for these cars, though I have gotten to splurging on the grooved, dimpled ones that do seem to provide a bit better braking and longer life of all components. > > On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot > wrote: > > Glen, great point! > > Seems that many race pad manufacturers try to give us the most material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck. This definitely works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run. More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. > > I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say. It doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in the right direction. > > In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. > > Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. > > > Jason Sukey > JS Performance Motoring, LLC > 440.984.7720 > jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot > wrote: > Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape. > Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. > This applies to all TRs. > I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. > > Glen Efinger > > On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi All: > > What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Fisher > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 3 13:44:52 2024 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 19:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> Message-ID: <741643392.830042.1720035892973@mail.yahoo.com> The rotor speed is obviously the same inside & out but in terms of the swept area of the pad, as you move out from the centerline, the larger diameter means that the speed of the disc relative to the pad increases, more heat, higher wear.I have all of mine tapered straight down the sides, no angle cut @ bottom, but that serves the same function.Once you get the taper right, you can use all of the pad... Glen Efinger On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 03:11:30 PM EDT, JS Performance Motoring, LLC wrote: Hi Scott,? ? ? I've attached a picture showing what I was referring to as far as pad shape. I've started rotating between two sets of pads each race weekend.? I true them up between races.? ?It's not extreme, but there's enough taper wear during half of a weekend that I notice a slightly better pedal feel after swapping?them out.?? Jason SukeyJS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 2:51?PM Scott Janzen wrote: OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here.I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also due to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to the heat - related issues.However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, doesn?t that result in either:a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against the piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting the rotor and it just wears down until there is full contact, orb) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad is at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing more wear on those parts? Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is noticeable taper, I generally have found they are well more than half gone and I just replace them.? I like my brakes to be at max performance.? Same deal with rotors - especially stock ones are cheap for these cars, though I have gotten to splurging on the grooved, dimpled ones that do seem to provide a bit better braking and longer life of all components. On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot wrote: Glen, great point! Seems that many race pad manufacturers?try to give us the most material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck.? This definitely?works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run.? More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say.? It doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in the right direction. In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. Jason SukeyJS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape.Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. This applies to all TRs.I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. Glen Efinger On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot wrote: Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 3 13:46:59 2024 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Race Pads In-Reply-To: References: <1499706437.116065.1719865661787.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1499706437.116065.1719865661787@mail.yahoo.com> <1936900569.706622.1720021052095@mail.yahoo.com> <854B26D4-270C-4AFB-B7E8-3F4AE93AEDDA@me.com> Message-ID: <1091474113.832613.1720036019680@mail.yahoo.com> Yes Tony exactly!No we don't want a thickness change, that's the problem! Glen Efinger On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 03:29:16 PM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: I think they are talking the shape of the periphery of the friction material, not the thickness.? Same thickness inside rotor to outside rotor, but "shorter" pad material closer to the center of the rotor.? Shaped like \_/ Piston / brake pad is flat to the rotor. Cheers, Tony On 7/3/2024 1:51 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: OK, I?m confused and hoping to learn something here. I agree, the pads wear more on the outside, I?m guessing in part also due to the higher velocity of the rotor at that point, in addition to the heat - related issues. However, if you get the friction material shaped as a trapezoid, doesn?t that result in either: a) the piston stays square, the back of the pad stays square against the piston, and the outer edge of the pad is the only part contacting the rotor and it just wears down until there is full contact, or b) the pad surface rests square against the rotor, the back of the pad is at an angle, forcing the piston to cock in the bore and causing more wear on those parts? Personally, when the pads get worn to the point where there is noticeable taper, I generally have found they are well more than half gone and I just replace them. ?I like my brakes to be at max performance. ?Same deal with rotors - especially stock ones are cheap for these cars, though I have gotten to splurging on the grooved, dimpled ones that do seem to provide a bit better braking and longer life of all components. On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:25 PM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot wrote: Glen, great point! Seems that many race pad manufacturers?try to give us the most material for our money with a big, rectangular friction material puck.? This definitely?works against us with the ancient, two piston calipers we run.? More heat, and more surface speed out towards the edge of the rotor is a recipe for radial taper. I've found with enough complaining, I can get them to change the shape of the pad to a trapezoid, and it really does help as you say.? It doesn't eliminate taper on my GT6 that's brutal on brakes, but it is a big step in the right direction. In lieu of a properly designed friction puck, I sometimes use a big file to adjust the shape of the friction material to accomplish the same thing. Running a thick spacer behind the pad as they wear down also helps keep the pistons true to the bore, and reduces heat transfer to the fluid/seals. Jason Sukey JS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720 jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 12:14?PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Another point to consider re pad selection, & I don't see mentioned, is make sure that the pads have the correct taper ie backer flat down, the profile of the pad side should taper down towards the center of the disc/bottom of the pad to some degree, a trapezoid with the long side up, ie not be rectangular shape. Reason is that a lot more heat is generated towards the OD of the disc, & they'll wear more; having less friction surface towards the bottom of the pad w/a taper evens the pad wear, & it won't develop the other form of "taper", that usually requires that 1st brake pedal stab as the rectangular shaped pads do as they wear. This applies to all TRs. I've also seen many cases where "interchanges" don't consider the shape of the pad, although the pads are dimensionally correct & fit. Glen Efinger On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 04:43:42 PM EDT, Mark Fisher via Fot wrote: Hi All: What do you racers like for front pads on your Spits and GT6s? Thanks in advance, Mark Fisher _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frustrating since I?d replaced it two weeks ago! Since I has my old starter, Phil suggested I pull the new one and we?d refresh the old one before the afternoon session! Jackie up the car, wheel off, transmission cowling off, oil pressure sensor off and the bolts and soon starter follow. What followed was a lesson in troubleshooting as Phil and Mike tested old and new starters with my lithium jump pack in the bed of a utility golf cart. . The new starters internal jump was separated from its terminal lug. The old starters solenoid was indeed grimy (which caused the intermittent problems that had prompted the purchase of a new British Starter.)With Phil and Mike sanding contacts and reassembling components, I was reduced to tool supplier. With the old starters health rejuvenated, it was handed over to me to install, with Mike down on the asphalt holding wrenches and making jokes. The solution worked, the car is again starting on command! So my thanks again to FOT?s Phil, and Mike (and Mark Wheatley on some other questions) for getting this vintage novice ?back on track.? Mike and I had some close racing in the later sessions (that Mike as HRG leader organizes!). Jim Sent from my iPhone From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jul 7 18:22:15 2024 From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 20:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Team Support at Thompson Midnight Madness HRG Races In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glad to be of help Jim! You certainly drove that car very well. All the more remarkable as it is a relatively new car to you. Well done! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2024, at 3:32?PM, James Trudeau via Fot wrote: > > ? > Suited up and ready to head to grid in 10 minutes hit my fuel pump and starter buttons on my Spit, only to hear a lonely click and no motor turning ignition. Again. Click. Out of car, hood up, frantically checking for obvious problems: fuel pump, oil pressure override, loose wires? Nothing obvious. > > Jumped on my bike to consult with FoT members Mike Harmuth and Phil Gott. Get it push started and we will look at it after. > > I return to my car and strap in, when I look up, Phil Gott is there orchestrating the push and as my group is released I get the car started (to face a flag waving official in my path - don?t make me stall!). > > After my session, Phil came by and checked continuity- all good to the starter: Phil?s prediction was a broken wire inside. Frustrating since I?d replaced it two weeks ago! > > Since I has my old starter, Phil suggested I pull the new one and we?d refresh the old one before the afternoon session! > > Jackie up the car, wheel off, transmission cowling off, oil pressure sensor off and the bolts and soon starter follow. > > What followed was a lesson in troubleshooting as Phil and Mike tested old and new starters with my lithium jump pack in the bed of a utility golf cart. . The new starters internal jump was separated from its terminal lug. The old starters solenoid was indeed grimy (which caused the intermittent problems that had prompted the purchase of a new British Starter.)With Phil and Mike sanding contacts and reassembling components, I was reduced to tool supplier. > > With the old starters health rejuvenated, it was handed over to me to install, with Mike down on the asphalt holding wrenches and making jokes. > > The solution worked, the car is again starting on command! > > So my thanks again to FOT?s Phil, and Mike (and Mark Wheatley on some other questions) for getting this vintage novice ?back on track.? Mike and I had some close racing in the later sessions (that Mike as HRG leader organizes!). > > Jim > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 8 10:37:04 2024 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 11:37:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Who will be at Road America this weekend? References: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> I will be there as a spectator Friday & Saturday. Hope to see the FOT there. Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 Alexander Racing Ent. Website: Gasketinnovations.com Email: N197tr4 at cs.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 10:44:13 2024 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 16:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Who will be at Road America this weekend? In-Reply-To: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> References: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02.ref@cs.com> <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> Message-ID: <507074406.2287732.1720457053756@mail.yahoo.com> I'll be racing the TR3 (paddocked at the inside of turn 14, stop on by!).Jake Jacobsen On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:40:49 AM CDT, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot wrote: I will be there as a spectator Friday & Saturday. Hope to see the FOT there. Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 Alexander Racing Ent. Website: Gasketinnovations.com Email: N197tr4 at cs.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1720457028762blob.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 700259 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com Mon Jul 8 10:46:43 2024 From: aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com (Alex Schlesinger) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 16:46:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Who will be at Road America this weekend? In-Reply-To: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> References: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02.ref@cs.com> <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I will be racing the TR7 there this weekend, parked somewhere in the North Paddock. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 12:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Who will be at Road America this weekend? I will be there as a spectator Friday & Saturday. Hope to see the FOT there. Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 Alexander Racing Ent. Website: Gasketinnovations.com Email: N197tr4 at cs.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/aschlesinger at cleanplanetrecycling.com From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 16:42:40 2024 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Carrillo rods Message-ID: My long time machinist is retiring. As he cleans out his shop he has found TR parts that I brought to him to work on and occasionally reject. I picked up a few boxes of parts and in it was a rejected set of Carrillo rods. One is cracked and another has some impact damage from a blow up. If anyone needs one or two, or has one or two maybe we can put these to work? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162884 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH. From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 18:05:25 2024 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 20:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Team Support at Thompson Midnight Madness HRG Races In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's some in-car video of Jim (in Russ Moore's old Spit) and I racing in the dark after we got his car fixed back up. Thompson road course, last Saturday night. 2 red 63 Spitfires, we had LEDs on the roll cages so the spectators could tell us apart. Jim's were Red, Mine were Blue. The plug on mine shook out with a few laps to go and I went dark. Jim thought I had an off until we got back in the oval section of the track and saw I was still on his tail. https://youtu.be/FXzls1xzMTo mike h On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:03?PM Philip Gott via Fot wrote: > Glad to be of help Jim! You certainly drove that car very well. All the > more remarkable as it is a relatively new car to you. Well done! > Phil > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 7, 2024, at 3:32?PM, James Trudeau via Fot > wrote: > > > > ? > > Suited up and ready to head to grid in 10 minutes hit my fuel pump and > starter buttons on my Spit, only to hear a lonely click and no motor > turning ignition. Again. Click. Out of car, hood up, frantically checking > for obvious problems: fuel pump, oil pressure override, loose wires? > Nothing obvious. > > > > Jumped on my bike to consult with FoT members Mike Harmuth and Phil > Gott. Get it push started and we will look at it after. > > > > I return to my car and strap in, when I look up, Phil Gott is there > orchestrating the push and as my group is released I get the car started > (to face a flag waving official in my path - don?t make me stall!). > > > > After my session, Phil came by and checked continuity- all good to the > starter: Phil?s prediction was a broken wire inside. Frustrating since I?d > replaced it two weeks ago! > > > > Since I has my old starter, Phil suggested I pull the new one and we?d > refresh the old one before the afternoon session! > > > > Jackie up the car, wheel off, transmission cowling off, oil pressure > sensor off and the bolts and soon starter follow. > > > > What followed was a lesson in troubleshooting as Phil and Mike tested > old and new starters with my lithium jump pack in the bed of a utility golf > cart. . The new starters internal jump was separated from its terminal lug. > The old starters solenoid was indeed grimy (which caused the intermittent > problems that had prompted the purchase of a new British Starter.)With Phil > and Mike sanding contacts and reassembling components, I was reduced to > tool supplier. > > > > With the old starters health rejuvenated, it was handed over to me to > install, with Mike down on the asphalt holding wrenches and making jokes. > > > > The solution worked, the car is again starting on command! > > > > So my thanks again to FOT?s Phil, and Mike (and Mark Wheatley on some > other questions) for getting this vintage novice ?back on track.? Mike and > I had some close racing in the later sessions (that Mike as HRG leader > organizes!). > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Jul 8 19:09:45 2024 From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 21:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Team Support at Thompson Midnight Madness HRG Races In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C1E3858-157B-4B2C-BCD2-4CB4AA9BD3DB@aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vfracing at aol.com Tue Jul 9 04:08:56 2024 From: Vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 06:08:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Team Support at Thompson Midnight Madness HRG Races References: <7A85CEEB-89DD-49ED-8E7E-208FF193CA6A.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <7A85CEEB-89DD-49ED-8E7E-208FF193CA6A@aol.com> ?Glad to be of help Jim! You certainly drove that car very well. All the more remarkable as it is a relatively new car to you. Well done! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2024, at 3:32?PM, James Trudeau via Fot wrote: > > ? > Suited up and ready to head to grid in 10 minutes hit my fuel pump and starter buttons on my Spit, only to hear a lonely click and no motor turning ignition. Again. Click. Out of car, hood up, frantically checking for obvious problems: fuel pump, oil pressure override, loose wires? Nothing obvious. > > Jumped on my bike to consult with FoT members Mike Harmuth and Phil Gott. Get it push started and we will look at it after. > > I return to my car and strap in, when I look up, Phil Gott is there orchestrating the push and as my group is released I get the car started (to face a flag waving official in my path - don?t make me stall!). > > After my session, Phil came by and checked continuity- all good to the starter: Phil?s prediction was a broken wire inside. Frustrating since I?d replaced it two weeks ago! > > Since I has my old starter, Phil suggested I pull the new one and we?d refresh the old one before the afternoon session! > > Jackie up the car, wheel off, transmission cowling off, oil pressure sensor off and the bolts and soon starter follow. > > What followed was a lesson in troubleshooting as Phil and Mike tested old and new starters with my lithium jump pack in the bed of a utility golf cart. . The new starters internal jump was separated from its terminal lug. The old starters solenoid was indeed grimy (which caused the intermittent problems that had prompted the purchase of a new British Starter.)With Phil and Mike sanding contacts and reassembling components, I was reduced to tool supplier. > > With the old starters health rejuvenated, it was handed over to me to install, with Mike down on the asphalt holding wrenches and making jokes. > > The solution worked, the car is again starting on command! > > So my thanks again to FOT?s Phil, and Mike (and Mark Wheatley on some other questions) for getting this vintage novice ?back on track.? Mike and I had some close racing in the later sessions (that Mike as HRG leader organizes!). > > Jim > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 05:43:34 2024 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 07:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Team Support at Thompson Midnight Madness HRG Races In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, that looks like a fun event, thanks for sharing the video. Are you racing at Pitt this year? Cheers, Dave Spit #142 On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 8:29?PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Here's some in-car video of Jim (in Russ Moore's old Spit) and I racing in > the dark after we got his car fixed back up. > Thompson road course, last Saturday night. 2 red 63 Spitfires, we had LEDs > on the roll cages so the spectators could tell us apart. Jim's were Red, > Mine were Blue. The plug on mine shook out with a few laps to go and I went > dark. Jim thought I had an off until we got back in the oval section of the > track and saw I was still on his tail. > > https://youtu.be/FXzls1xzMTo > > mike h > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:03?PM Philip Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> Glad to be of help Jim! You certainly drove that car very well. All the >> more remarkable as it is a relatively new car to you. Well done! >> Phil >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 7, 2024, at 3:32?PM, James Trudeau via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ? >> > Suited up and ready to head to grid in 10 minutes hit my fuel pump and >> starter buttons on my Spit, only to hear a lonely click and no motor >> turning ignition. Again. Click. Out of car, hood up, frantically checking >> for obvious problems: fuel pump, oil pressure override, loose wires? >> Nothing obvious. >> > >> > Jumped on my bike to consult with FoT members Mike Harmuth and Phil >> Gott. Get it push started and we will look at it after. >> > >> > I return to my car and strap in, when I look up, Phil Gott is there >> orchestrating the push and as my group is released I get the car started >> (to face a flag waving official in my path - don?t make me stall!). >> > >> > After my session, Phil came by and checked continuity- all good to the >> starter: Phil?s prediction was a broken wire inside. Frustrating since I?d >> replaced it two weeks ago! >> > >> > Since I has my old starter, Phil suggested I pull the new one and we?d >> refresh the old one before the afternoon session! >> > >> > Jackie up the car, wheel off, transmission cowling off, oil pressure >> sensor off and the bolts and soon starter follow. >> > >> > What followed was a lesson in troubleshooting as Phil and Mike tested >> old and new starters with my lithium jump pack in the bed of a utility golf >> cart. . The new starters internal jump was separated from its terminal lug. >> The old starters solenoid was indeed grimy (which caused the intermittent >> problems that had prompted the purchase of a new British Starter.)With Phil >> and Mike sanding contacts and reassembling components, I was reduced to >> tool supplier. >> > >> > With the old starters health rejuvenated, it was handed over to me to >> install, with Mike down on the asphalt holding wrenches and making jokes. >> > >> > The solution worked, the car is again starting on command! >> > >> > So my thanks again to FOT?s Phil, and Mike (and Mark Wheatley on some >> other questions) for getting this vintage novice ?back on track.? Mike and >> I had some close racing in the later sessions (that Mike as HRG leader >> organizes!). >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian > On 07/08/2024 11:37 AM CDT JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot wrote: > > > I will be there as a spectator Friday & Saturday. > > Hope to see the FOT there. > > Thanks, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > Alexander Racing Ent. > Website: Gasketinnovations.com > Email: N197tr4 at cs.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net From rikrock at live.com Tue Jul 9 12:37:43 2024 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich rock) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 18:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] B b b. Nnnnnnn. Kk . 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URL: From damys0615 at gmail.com Fri Jul 12 13:53:25 2024 From: damys0615 at gmail.com (David Amys) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 14:53:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Who will be at Road America this weekend? In-Reply-To: <1877666071.2225743.1720535427315@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02.ref@cs.com> <1294FEB6-07F4-481C-BBE6-2361082D1E02@cs.com> <1877666071.2225743.1720535427315@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Deb and I will stop by tomorrow to visit. No race car, just spectators. On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 9:52?AM Brian Garcia via Fot wrote: > I'll be there with the Barracuda and the Cheetah in my normal North > Paddock spot. See you then! > > Brian > > > On 07/08/2024 11:37 AM CDT JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > I will be there as a spectator Friday & Saturday. > > > > Hope to see the FOT there. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > Alexander Racing Ent. > > Website: Gasketinnovations.com > > Email: N197tr4 at cs.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/damys0615 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mecook at mindspring.com Thu Jul 18 12:03:48 2024 From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:03:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01dad93c$d706e770$8514b650$@mindspring.com> Actually, There is a specific search page which will allow you to input a search string. Though almost DOS like compared to Windows 11, it does work. http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/ How to use it: http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=fot -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 1:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Search On 7/17/24 7:43 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > Hi. > Can someone tell me if/how we can search this board for topics discussed ? The searchable archive is listed in the footer of every message, http://autox.team.net/archive. It may or may not be helpful, as it is currently some ancient software held together with bubble gum and duct tape. I would really like to update it, get something more modern and more robust, but not quite sure what to use. Good luck with the old system, though, hope it helps. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mecook at mindspring.com From mark at efishers.com Mon Jul 22 08:49:59 2024 From: mark at efishers.com (Mark Fisher) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 14:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Steering Question References: <1831599057.885336.1721659799672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1831599057.885336.1721659799672@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All: Trying to learn what I can about the racing Spit6. The builder passed in 2017. Anyone know why the suspension setup would have the passenger side tie rod "nut up" while the driver side is the stock "nut down"? Seems that in order to do this, a driver's side arm would need to be installed on the passenger side for the taper to be on bottom instead of the top. The manual indicates that the stock installation is nut down on both sides.? I don't want to put it "right" if there is a racer's reason for it. Thanks, Mark "Silo" Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Jul 22 10:02:17 2024 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Steering Question In-Reply-To: <1831599057.885336.1721659799672@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1831599057.885336.1721659799672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C364897-F8D3-4BB4-AD0C-1E55704F6944@comcast.net> It may be they were addressing a bump steering issue from the extra weight of the 6 block. What would change if you switched it back? Tie rods should be as level as possible. Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 The Story of Stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GorqroigqM > On Jul 22, 2024, at 8:54?AM, Mark Fisher via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi All: > > Trying to learn what I can about the racing Spit6. The builder passed in 2017. > > Anyone know why the suspension setup would have the passenger side tie rod "nut up" while the driver side is the stock "nut down"? > > Seems that in order to do this, a driver's side arm would need to be installed on the passenger side for the taper to be on bottom instead of the top. > > The manual indicates that the stock installation is nut down on both sides. I don't want to put it "right" if there is a racer's reason for it. > > Thanks, > > Mark "Silo" Fisher > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 22 12:05:33 2024 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 14:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GoodParts 1.55 rockers for sale, looking for 3.89 GT6 ring and pinion Message-ID: I?m offering just the rockers, not the whole assembly with pedestals, etc. I originally got the 1.55 assembly to go with a new cam I was trying out. These have literally been run about 10 dyno pulls - I did not like the results at all and swapped the cam out for one that requires 1.65 rockers. Richard sold me replacement rockers that I swapped into the assembly, so now I have 12 hardly used rockers. Use for spares, buy the other assembly parts from Richard to put together a complete set, or put them together with stock pedestals. Your choice. Rockers are $58.50 each from Richard, $702 total. An entire assembly is $999, I?m not sure what the other parts cost. Make me an offer. My loss is your gain. I?m not interested in selling individual rockers for spares unless you put together a consortium to take them all! Also, looking for a good 3.89 ring and pinion or entire diff, condition of everything but the gears unimportant. I?ll be at PittRace this weekend if that helps make any of this happen. Scott Janzen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Included with the car are a new aluminum radiator, a new alloy valve cover that I never got around to installing , a rear axle assembly with a broking ring gear, the original TR3 gearbox, 4 steel wheels, a new set of Ted's "Cool Stop" rear brake shoes, and a box of various bits and bobs. A fuller description and photos of the car are up on the Snook's Dream Cars website : https://www.snooksdreamcars.com/forsale/for-sale The car is currently stored at Snook's Dream Cars if anyone wants to look in over. The engine does still run, which I had little doubt of as it has run like a train since it was built. The left front fender is impeding full motion of the steering, but the car rolls free otherwise. I thank Jeff for helping me with this difficult decision. Please contact me off list via my email if you have any interest. All the best, Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. Mike Kurtz Yellow TR6 #51 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0409.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 109610 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought nothing more > of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was > now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of the front straight > away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which? > wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the > floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and > taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to > finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? > > It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another > keepsake for my racing display case. > > Mike Kurtz > Yellow TR6 #51 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com Tue Jul 30 07:33:28 2024 From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:33:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> Message-ID: Mike, That's gotta be $20 worth of race rubber right there!! Not as exciting, but I had a bit of rubber hit me in the eye shield on the back stretch this weekend. It was a good reminder why it's important to ALWAYS put the shield down, even in a tin top!!! Jason Sukey JS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720 jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 10:10?PM finishing Touch via Fot wrote: > The lighter side of racing: > > Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was > racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me > kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural > reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car. I thought nothing more > of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was > now turned sideways. On the next lap at the end of the front straight > away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which > wouldn't fully open. Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the > floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and > taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to > finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? > > It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another > keepsake for my racing display case. > > Mike Kurtz > Yellow TR6 #51 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mecook at mindspring.com Tue Jul 30 07:58:28 2024 From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George Russell could have used that rubber to avoid his DQ in the Belgium GP this weekend!Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: "JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot" Date: 7/30/24 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00) To: finishing Touch Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Anomaly Mike,? ? ? ? That's gotta be $20 worth of race rubber right there!!Not as exciting, but I had a bit of rubber hit me in the eye shield on the back stretch this weekend.? It was a good reminder why it's important to ALWAYS put the shield down, even in a tin top!!!Jason SukeyJS Performance Motoring, LLC440.984.7720jason at jsperformancemotoring.comhttps://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 10:10?PM finishing Touch via Fot wrote:The lighter side of racing: Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car.? I thought nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which? wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. Mike Kurtz Yellow TR6 #51 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 08:00:06 2024 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> Message-ID: <2126938810.1559023.1722348006639@mail.yahoo.com> I can relate to something similar. Running a National at MO in 99 in my RX7. During the race coming on the straight after the keyhole quite a way back from the nearest competitor had a small rock find its way past my ls mirror, window net and small eye opening in my helmet. It found my left eyeglass lens and shattered it. Ended up running about 7 laps fighting with a guy over 3rd place right up to the flag. he got it. Ended up driving 10 hours home mostly in the night thru the usual road construction during the road work season. Not fun. Lesson learned, shield down inside a tin top. Cheers On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 08:50:47 AM CDT, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot wrote: Mike,? ? ? ? That's gotta be $20 worth of race rubber right there!! Not as exciting, but I had a bit of rubber hit me in the eye shield on the back stretch this weekend.? It was a good reminder why it's important to ALWAYS put the shield down, even in a tin top!!! Jason SukeyJS Performance Motoring, LLC 440.984.7720jason at jsperformancemotoring.com https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 10:10?PM finishing Touch via Fot wrote: The lighter side of racing: Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car.? I thought nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which? wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. Mike Kurtz Yellow TR6 #51 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 08:00:41 2024 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> Message-ID: Mail it to George Russell, his car could use the extra weight. mike h On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 9:48?AM JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Mike, > That's gotta be $20 worth of race rubber right there!! > > Not as exciting, but I had a bit of rubber hit me in the eye shield on the > back stretch this weekend. It was a good reminder why it's important to > ALWAYS put the shield down, even in a tin top!!! > > > Jason Sukey > JS Performance Motoring, LLC > 440.984.7720 > jason at jsperformancemotoring.com > https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/ > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 10:10?PM finishing Touch via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> The lighter side of racing: >> >> Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was >> racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me >> kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural >> reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car. I thought nothing more >> of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was >> now turned sideways. On the next lap at the end of the front straight >> away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which >> wouldn't fully open. Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the >> floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and >> taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to >> finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? >> >> It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another >> keepsake for my racing display case. >> >> Mike Kurtz >> Yellow TR6 #51 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at jsperformancemotoring.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Tue Jul 30 08:10:45 2024 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:10:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> Message-ID: <28605d15-4a3e-467b-ac5b-26665f4d1ad9@klaenv.com> If only Russell had picked that up at Spa in the F1 race the car would have made weight and he would have kept his win!? Ken On 7/29/2024 7:00 PM, finishing Touch via Fot wrote: > The lighter side of racing: > > Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was > racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me > kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My > natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car.? I thought > nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view > mirror which was now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of > the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and > pushed the throttle which? wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw > this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. > Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became > dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What > are the odds of that? > > It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another > keepsake for my racing display case. > > Mike Kurtz > Yellow TR6 #51 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kknight at klaenv.com > > From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Jul 30 08:40:16 2024 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:40:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> Message-ID: <1722350416.tns29u3e3s4cwkos@webmail.lumos.net> When I was racing a Formula Ford, the car that was two cars in front of me hit a snake sunning itself on the track and threw it into the air. It landed in the lap of the driver of the car behind him (which was right in front of me). Obviously, there was a very sudden application of brakes, and I was able to get around him! We had a good laugh in the paddock about that pass, though. John ? On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:00:46 -0400, finishing Touch via Fot wrote: The lighter side of racing: Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car.? I thought nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which? wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. Mike Kurtz Yellow TR6 #51 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? From craigl at leinickegroup.com Tue Jul 30 10:59:41 2024 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 11:59:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Old TR3 Race Car Message-ID: <59612A57-D3B2-49F2-A58A-4CDEED04C2BC@leinickegroup.com> Earlier this year I re-acquired my old EP ?57 TR3 race car which I raced in ?82, ?83, and ?84 and sold following the ?84 season. (40 years) After replacing the parts that had been cannibalized (coil, fuel cell, battery box etc) and adding fresh oil, plugs and battery, the old girl fired right up? I was able to make the STL-VTR regional show in June and I?m hoping to take the next step to make the autocross at the VTR Nationals in September. I believe this is still my engine (via Bill Boemler for you old mid-west guys). My question is: this engine probably still has the Kastner G3 camshaft How much valve lash should I be looking for when adjusting the valves? Thanks in advance. Craig Leinicke From fintouch at ptd.net Tue Jul 30 13:14:04 2024 From: fintouch at ptd.net (Finishing Touch) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:14:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: <28605d15-4a3e-467b-ac5b-26665f4d1ad9@klaenv.com> References: <28605d15-4a3e-467b-ac5b-26665f4d1ad9@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <03F1E878-4B14-406B-80FD-5813BA73D4D1@ptd.net> A snake being flipping into your car is reason enough to engineer and install an ejector seat. Yikes! Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2024, at 11:35?AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > > ?If only Russell had picked that up at Spa in the F1 race the car would have made weight and he would have kept his win! Ken > >> On 7/29/2024 7:00 PM, finishing Touch via Fot wrote: >> The lighter side of racing: >> >> Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car. I thought nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was now turned sideways. On the next lap at the end of the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which wouldn't fully open. Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? >> >> It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. >> >> Mike Kurtz >> Yellow TR6 #51 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kknight at klaenv.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fintouch at ptd.net > > From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jul 30 15:42:09 2024 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:42:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing Anomaly In-Reply-To: <1722350416.tns29u3e3s4cwkos@webmail.lumos.net> References: <052b9bc1-f817-4018-ae66-883461211891@ptd.net> <1722350416.tns29u3e3s4cwkos@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: At one of my driver schools the usual open wheel attrition left only one FV running, so they sent it out for the final session with the closed wheel and I ended up right behind it (in my Spitfire). OMG, they throw rocks at you! I damn well passed that guy! ? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 9:40 AM To: fintouch at ptd.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Anomaly When I was racing a Formula Ford, the car that was two cars in front of me hit a snake sunning itself on the track and threw it into the air. It landed in the lap of the driver of the car behind him (which was right in front of me). Obviously, there was a very sudden application of brakes, and I was able to get around him! We had a good laugh in the paddock about that pass, though. John ? On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:00:46 -0400, finishing Touch via Fot wrote: The lighter side of racing: Sunday during the Pittsburgh Historic medium bore sprint race, I was racing down the back stretch in my TR6 when I saw a car in front of me kick up a piece of rubber (marble) and it was coming my way. My natural reaction was to blink and I heard it hit my car.? I thought nothing more of it until I went to look at my dash mounted rear view mirror which was now turned sideways.? On the next lap at the end of the front straight away, I navigated the hard left hand turn and pushed the throttle which wouldn't fully open.? Glancing down, I saw this piece of rubber on the floor wedged under the throttle pedal. Fortunately after breaking and taking the next a hard left, it became dislodged and I was able to finish the race with normal controls. What are the odds of that? It's the biggest 'marble' I ever captured and is now just another keepsake for my racing display case. Mike Kurtz Yellow TR6 #51 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Jul 31 06:14:49 2024 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] My Old TR3 Race Car In-Reply-To: <59612A57-D3B2-49F2-A58A-4CDEED04C2BC@leinickegroup.com> References: <59612A57-D3B2-49F2-A58A-4CDEED04C2BC@leinickegroup.com> Message-ID: <991771034.2012249.1722428089914@mail.yahoo.com> According to the Tilden cam spec sheet, 0.016 is the valve lash setting. It references TS Imports as the source.?It?s a pretty fascinating collection of specs. Check it out. My Tr3 came from the Wichita region and was?was run by John Holsonback.?a few years later than yours, but I believe it was raced prior to his ownership.??I don?t have much information about it. Good luck with your new/old toy!? Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Tuesday, July 30, 2024, 1:18 PM, Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: Earlier this year I re-acquired my old EP ?57 TR3 race car which I raced in ?82, ?83, and ?84 and sold following the ?84 season. (40 years) After replacing the parts that had been cannibalized (coil, fuel cell, battery box etc) and adding fresh oil, plugs and battery, the old girl fired right up? I was able to make the STL-VTR regional show in June and I?m hoping to take the next step to make the autocross at the VTR Nationals in September. I believe this is still my engine (via Bill Boemler for you old mid-west guys). My question is: this engine probably still has the Kastner G3 camshaft How much valve lash should I be looking for when adjusting the valves? Thanks in advance. ? Craig Leinicke _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Document Type: application/octet-stream Size: 38 bytes Desc: not available URL: From solarant at hotmail.com Wed Jul 31 06:31:21 2024 From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:31:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] My Old TR3 Race Car In-Reply-To: <991771034.2012249.1722428089914@mail.yahoo.com> References: <59612A57-D3B2-49F2-A58A-4CDEED04C2BC@leinickegroup.com> <991771034.2012249.1722428089914@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Make sure you understand where that clearance should be applied/measured. At cam or at valve stem? ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of fmccjr--- via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 8:14 AM To: Craig Leinicke ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] My Old TR3 Race Car According to the Tilden cam spec sheet, 0.016 is the valve lash setting. It references TS Imports as the source. It?s a pretty fascinating collection of specs. Check it out. My Tr3 came from the Wichita region and was was run by John Holsonback. a few years later than yours, but I believe it was raced prior to his ownership. I don?t have much information about it. Good luck with your new/old toy! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Tuesday, July 30, 2024, 1:18 PM, Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: Earlier this year I re-acquired my old EP ?57 TR3 race car which I raced in ?82, ?83, and ?84 and sold following the ?84 season. (40 years) After replacing the parts that had been cannibalized (coil, fuel cell, battery box etc) and adding fresh oil, plugs and battery, the old girl fired right up? I was able to make the STL-VTR regional show in June and I?m hoping to take the next step to make the autocross at the VTR Nationals in September. I believe this is still my engine (via Bill Boemler for you old mid-west guys). My question is: this engine probably still has the Kastner G3 camshaft How much valve lash should I be looking for when adjusting the valves? Thanks in advance. Craig Leinicke _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: