From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  1 13:12:58 2024
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2024 20:12:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ford Truck Axles
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 Sorry I can't help with the axle ID but that welded inner flange shows one of the weaknesses of some of the replacement axle/flange combinations; the flange is retained by a bolt & thick washer & torqued, but there is just a little shoulder where the shaft diameter increases & the inner end butts up, & it's not enough surface area to support the axial load, & they tend to loosen.The one in the photos won't loosen.Also it appears that one of your brake shoes is upside-down, leading vs trailing...
Glen Efinger

    On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 04:38:27 PM EST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Here is an update on my axle search.
I removed my axles for some other maintenance and took some pictures.
If someone can tell me what these were made from I would appreciate it.


On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 7:29 AM Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com> wrote:

When I bought my first Spitfire the previous owner told me the axles were made from Ford truck axles (he was told that when he bought the car).??
Has anyone heard of doing that before?? ?The axles I have are very robust (no nut) and I am trying to see if it is even possible to make another set.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jan  3 09:02:22 2024
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 16:02:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Only the BRAVEST of men race on Wire Wheels with sticky tires.  My choice is the Dayton 60 spoke models in the 5" width formerly available at the Roadster Factory.  Maybe they'll kill me someday, but I rather think it will be the whiskey and rich pasta dishes.

Cheers, Henry Morrison
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 9:33 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A

Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out
east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When
Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of
ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports
on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I
switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner
Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing
Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the
narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have
clearance issues with fenders.

If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up
close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire
wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on
the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims
and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then,
video of that would be priceless.

Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the
original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...

Henry F

On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:

> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>
>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>> track since 1979.
>>
>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>
>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>> year.
>>
>> Thanks for the help,
>>
>> Ken Hollar
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jan  3 09:10:54 2024
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 16:10:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Open house for intrepid Kastner Cup travelers
Message-ID: <LV3P223MB0913335E79471E7012B7BD8A9060A@LV3P223MB0913.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I would like to offer my two always empty guest rooms to anyone who might be encouraged to tow to the Cup by free lodging while passing through Salt Lake City.  Included are:

  *   Hot showers and flush toilets

  *   Color TV
  *   Manager's cocktail hour from 5-midnight
  *   Off street trailer parking
  *   Free dinner and full breakfast
  *   refitment and repair facilities
  *   easily accessible tools scattered on floor
  *   moderately aggressive Hound dogs
  *   endless volumes of racing stories

Only cost is a positive comment on my car better than, oh say, "
that engine might be a good core".

Cheers, Henry Morrison, Salt Lake City
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 11:15:29 2024
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 13:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 bits
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Hello all,
  Preparing to get the 59 Red car here.  This car will be able to run on
the street, therefor I will need some of the stock bits.
  The first thing on my mind today is headlights, (complete bucket
assembly) side window glass and the mechanicals for it, and a front bumper.
Anyone?
  This will be a big project, so expect more requests in the coming
months.  I'm still coordinating with Scott Bar on all of this, and he will
send me everything he has, but at this point, we're not sure what all that
entails ....  just thinking in advance (which will probably get me in
trouble;>).
Tom
ex #4 White
future #59 Red
ps. different subject .. also looking for a right rear fender for a 1959
MGA for a friend.
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:14:44 2024
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 16:14:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] My previous post
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 I guess I wasn't clear, 59 red is a Mk1 GT6. There may well be some of the
parts that will bleed over into the TRs though.
Thanks
Tom
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 15:59:39 2024
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 16:59:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 bits
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Hey Tom.
 It would help to know the details  of the car which is in need of parts. I
may have some things laying around also.
                                         P.J.


On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:27?PM tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>   Preparing to get the 59 Red car here.  This car will be able to run on
> the street, therefor I will need some of the stock bits.
>   The first thing on my mind today is headlights, (complete bucket
> assembly) side window glass and the mechanicals for it, and a front bumper.
> Anyone?
>   This will be a big project, so expect more requests in the coming
> months.  I'm still coordinating with Scott Bar on all of this, and he will
> send me everything he has, but at this point, we're not sure what all that
> entails ....  just thinking in advance (which will probably get me in
> trouble;>).
> Tom
> ex #4 White
> future #59 Red
> ps. different subject .. also looking for a right rear fender for a 1959
> MGA for a friend.
>
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 19:11:45 2024
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 21:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 bits
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Okay, here we go. Scott, feel free to jump in here.  Mark 1 GT6 body on a
(I believe) a Mk 3 frame, last raced BT Jerry Barr has been taken apart.
Scott will be forwarding the parts he has but we are not sure yet what all
we have.
. This will not happen for a few weeks as this is a very busy time of year
for Scott.
 We're not yet sure of the windshield, or of door glass, regulators etc.
Probably no headlights etc. Things such as heater, fan etc probably don't
exist (my guess) anymore. The car will be put back together in race prep
form, but will be driven on the street, go to some car shows and maybe
compete in a Gill climb or track day.
 That means all the bits to make it legal. Paint, safety equipment etc will
remain in race prep. It will start out with the 6 in it, but will most
likely graduate the the hi-po 289 that Jerry always wanted in it.
 Jerry, as you know, has passed, so my intent is to is to make both Jerry
and the Barr family proud of the car.  I'm probably getting far too deep
into this project, but it's the last car I will build, and I'd like to do a
good job of it.
 It will not be driven in the winter, so I may be able to forgo things such
as a heater core, but will need things such as defroster and wipers for
when it is driven.  In other words, it needs to pass inspection.
 Thanks for all the help anyone has to offer.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2024, 5:59 PM McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Tom.
>  It would help to know the details  of the car which is in need of parts.
> I may have some things laying around also.
>                                          P.J.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:27?PM tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>   Preparing to get the 59 Red car here.  This car will be able to run on
>> the street, therefor I will need some of the stock bits.
>>   The first thing on my mind today is headlights, (complete bucket
>> assembly) side window glass and the mechanicals for it, and a front bumper.
>> Anyone?
>>   This will be a big project, so expect more requests in the coming
>> months.  I'm still coordinating with Scott Bar on all of this, and he will
>> send me everything he has, but at this point, we're not sure what all that
>> entails ....  just thinking in advance (which will probably get me in
>> trouble;>).
>> Tom
>> ex #4 White
>> future #59 Red
>> ps. different subject .. also looking for a right rear fender for a 1959
>> MGA for a friend.
>>
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 19:14:43 2024
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 21:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 bits
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Ps.
Oops. "Last raced ?BY?, not BT. Love typos better when they're someone
elses'.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2024, 5:59 PM McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Tom.
>  It would help to know the details  of the car which is in need of parts.
> I may have some things laying around also.
>                                          P.J.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:27?PM tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>   Preparing to get the 59 Red car here.  This car will be able to run on
>> the street, therefor I will need some of the stock bits.
>>   The first thing on my mind today is headlights, (complete bucket
>> assembly) side window glass and the mechanicals for it, and a front bumper.
>> Anyone?
>>   This will be a big project, so expect more requests in the coming
>> months.  I'm still coordinating with Scott Bar on all of this, and he will
>> send me everything he has, but at this point, we're not sure what all that
>> entails ....  just thinking in advance (which will probably get me in
>> trouble;>).
>> Tom
>> ex #4 White
>> future #59 Red
>> ps. different subject .. also looking for a right rear fender for a 1959
>> MGA for a friend.
>>
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  7 08:38:59 2024
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 15:38:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 bits
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 when you figure out what you need I might be able to help you / parted a couple of MkII GT's and have a few bits lying around / also know someone close to me with some MKI GT bits from a rebuild they did
Cheers,Ralph?
    On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:54:57 PM CST, tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Ps.Oops. "Last raced ?BY?, not BT. Love typos better when they're someone elses'.
On Sat, Jan 6, 2024, 5:59 PM McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Tom.?It would help to know the details? of the car which is in need of parts. I may have some things laying around also.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?P.J.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:27?PM tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hello all,? Preparing to get the 59 Red car here.? This car will be able to run on the street, therefor I will need some of the stock bits.? The first thing on my mind today is headlights, (complete bucket assembly) side window glass and the mechanicals for it, and a front bumper.Anyone?? This will be a big project, so expect more requests in the coming months.? I'm still coordinating with Scott Bar on all of this, and he will send me everything?he has, but at this point, we're not sure what all that entails ....? just thinking in advance (which will probably get me in trouble;>).Tomex #4 Whitefuture #59 Redps. different?subject .. also looking for a right rear fender for a 1959 MGA for a friend.
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 06:29:06 2024
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 08:29:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steel Head Gasket
Message-ID: <CAHAH3R5b9RBcnwJFmN2H-=qGb8J_zqHDVQ8RO_KYZWgPYXZhWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,
I am planning on tearing down my TR4 engine for routine inspection and
require a new steel head gasket at the very least. I overheated at Road
America and suspect I may have a crack in the head, so I'll be sending it
out for magnafluxing.
Anyway, long story longer, ....I see British parts northwest and Moss are
out of stock. other than Rimmers who else has the steel gaskets in stock?

Thanks in advance

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 08:08:54 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 15:08:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steel Head Gasket
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Hi Mike,
I?ve had luck ordering steel head gaskets directly from Bastuck in Germany in the past when others were out of stock. ? Just plan on extra time for possible customs delays? of course that was shipping to the States and not Canada! ?Maybe our friends and Gasketworks can chime in!
Dave Gott?


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On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 8:35 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici,?I am planning on tearing down my TR4 engine for routine inspection and require a new steel head gasket at the very least. I overheated at Road America and suspect I may have a crack in the head, so I'll be sending it out for magnafluxing.Anyway, long story longer, ....I see British parts northwest and Moss are out of stock. other than Rimmers who else has the steel gaskets in stock?
Thanks in advance?

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 19:30:45 2024
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steel Head Gasket
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 Ted at TSI has previously had the gaskets.? You might want to check with him.??JoeB
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:26:09 AM EST, David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi Mike,
I?ve had luck ordering steel head gaskets directly from Bastuck in Germany in the past when others were out of stock. ? Just plan on extra time for possible customs delays? of course that was shipping to the States and not Canada! ?Maybe our friends and Gasketworks can chime in!
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Amici,?I am planning on tearing down my TR4 engine for routine inspection and require a new steel head gasket at the very least. I overheated at Road America and suspect I may have a crack in the head, so I'll be sending it out for magnafluxing.Anyway, long story longer, ....I see British parts northwest and Moss are out of stock. other than Rimmers who else has the steel gaskets in stock?
Thanks in advance?

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 10 08:53:38 2024
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From mikegranat9 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 09:39:11 2024
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Yes good news Charly. Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year!
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 8:34 AM Charly Mitchel via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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> THE ROADSTER FACTORY?A MESSAGE FROM ALBERT
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> are especially grateful to the 14+ companies of firefighters who sacrificed
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> Here are some answers to questions you might have.
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> in mind backorders are not charged until they are shipped. So if you had
> something on backorder, you probably were not charged for it.
>
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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 10:06:05 2024
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).
What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu Jan 11 10:35:16 2024
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.   I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.   My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,   Lorne
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jan 11 11:31:02 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:31:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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.030? if I remember correctly. Max revs 6200, race prepped standard crank, Carrillo rods, factory cast 87mm Hepolite pistons. 
Dave H. 
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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:01?AM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.   I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.   My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
> ~Steve
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,   Lorne
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jan 11 11:31:02 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:31:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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.030? if I remember correctly. Max revs 6200, race prepped standard crank, Carrillo rods, factory cast 87mm Hepolite pistons. 
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:01?AM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.   I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.   My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
> ~Steve
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,   Lorne
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Jan 11 12:01:00 2024
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:01:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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 Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.
I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...

Glen Efinger.

    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.? The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.? I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.? My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi.? In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).? What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,? Lorne
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 11 12:29:14 2024
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:29:14 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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Hi,

 

I?ve found a gentle gain in power with gap of 0.047?. Less distance did cost 4-5 Hp.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 6:06 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 

Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,   Lorne

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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 14:48:50 2024
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:48:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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Thanks everyone for the info.  In the past after kissing the head I cut
.010 off the pistons while using a thin steel head gasket.  Right now I
have .025. I didn't think that was enough, that is why I was looking for
help.       Lorne

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> Hi,
>
>
>
> I?ve found a gentle gain in power with gap of 0.047?. Less distance did
> cost 4-5 Hp.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lorne Fritz via
> Fot
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>
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> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 11 16:45:52 2024
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 00:45:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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That is one thing to consider.

When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.

 

I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.

That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:01 PM
To: Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>; Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 

Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.

It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.

I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032

Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...

 

Glen Efinger.

 

 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.  I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.  My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,  Lorne
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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 07:31:40 2024
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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Good point.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> That is one thing to consider.
>
> When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and
> disturbing.
>
>
>
> I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap
> the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the
> hp output.
>
> That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:01 PM
> *To:* Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>; Steven Belfer <
> steve at artwithcars.com>
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
>
>
>
> Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.
>
> It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but
> for most applications that's right in the ballpark.
>
> I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you
> won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe
> nowadays I use .030-.032
>
> Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very
> critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to
> maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good
> combustion...
>
>
>
> Glen Efinger.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes
> from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H
> clearance.  I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston
> kissed the head and I spun a bearing.  My machine shop guy likes .040 for
> safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
> ~Steve
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a
> mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks
> in advance,  Lorne
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 07:57:41 2024
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:57:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steel Head Gasket
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Thank you everyone I will hopefully be successful shortly
Henry, see you at MOSPORT this June !

Cheers
Mike

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:30?PM Joe Boruch <jaboruch at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ted at TSI has previously had the gaskets.  You might want to check with
> him.
> JoeB
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:26:09 AM EST, David Gott via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I?ve had luck ordering steel head gaskets directly from Bastuck in Germany
> in the past when others were out of stock.   Just plan on extra time for
> possible customs delays? of course that was shipping to the States and not
> Canada!  Maybe our friends and Gasketworks can chime in!
>
> Dave Gott
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> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 8:35 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Amici,
> I am planning on tearing down my TR4 engine for routine inspection and
> require a new steel head gasket at the very least. I overheated at Road
> America and suspect I may have a crack in the head, so I'll be sending it
> out for magnafluxing.
> Anyway, long story longer, ....I see British parts northwest and Moss are
> out of stock. other than Rimmers who else has the steel gaskets in stock?
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Jan 12 08:57:05 2024
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 07:57:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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Interesting discussion and I would agree on point.  What would interesting to know is how the HP change was measured; chassis dyno or engine dyno?

Ken 

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From: Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 7:13 AM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

Good point. 

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
That is one thing to consider.
When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.
?
I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.
That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.
?
Cheers
Chris
?
?
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:01 PM
To: Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>; Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
?
Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.
It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.
I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032
Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...
?
Glen Efinger.
?
?
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
?
?
You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.? The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.? I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.? My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi.? In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).? What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,? Lorne
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jan 12 09:29:45 2024
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 16:29:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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 I'm still burning up (precious) brain cells on this, yes interesting, but that's one of my questions also, exactly how was the reported gain established?I've always gone with the theory that more is better when it comes to turbulence, which requires minimal squish clearance.I would imagine that chamber & piston top configuration, ie flat-tops or a lump on top, may be part of the equation as well...Yes compelling discussion!
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:57:08 AM EST, Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com> wrote:  
 
 
Interesting discussion and I would agree on point.? What would interesting to know is how the HP change was measured; chassis dyno or engine dyno?

 ?

Ken 

 ?

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From: Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 7:13 AM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 ?

Good point. 

 ?

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


That is one thing to consider.

When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.

?

I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.

That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.

?

Cheers

Chris

?

?

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:01 PM
To: Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>; Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

?

Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.

It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.

I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032

Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...

?

Glen Efinger.

?

?

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

?

?

You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.? The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.? I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.? My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi.? In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).? What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,? Lorne
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From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
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The measurements were made on a rolling road?.BUT on the rolling road at the Nurburging.

This dyno was in charge to measure the balance of performance power of the race cars under controlled regulations.

This dyno was equipped with a custom made software to be most exact. You can say the reference dyno.

 

Why did we get a little gain?

My GUESS -  Two things come into play:

1.	Turbulence ? turbulence is good to the point when it gets so strong that it blows the flame out or it pushes against the flame front and hinder it
2.	Mathematical?.assuming that you can make the gap zero between piston and head. The TR?s do have a chamber half the size of the piston surface. If you get the gap down to zero the pressure of the combustion forces on half of the piston deck: Force = pressure x area. If the area is half the size, the force is half as strong. Certainly this is only true on TDC as soon the piston moves downwards the full area of the piston deck comes in to play again.

 

I guess, these little things might make this little gain happen.

But, I?m not an engine developer, I only make some thoughts about it?maybe not true and the result is just luck.

On the other hand?..my car has many wins with standard crank and standard valve sizes. Does perform quite nice and seem to hold together.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 5:30 PM
To: Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>; tr4racing at googlemail.com; Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 

I'm still burning up (precious) brain cells on this, yes interesting, but that's one of my questions also, exactly how was the reported gain established?

I've always gone with the theory that more is better when it comes to turbulence, which requires minimal squish clearance.

I would imagine that chamber & piston top configuration, ie flat-tops or a lump on top, may be part of the equation as well...

Yes compelling discussion!

 

Glen Efinger

 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:57:08 AM EST, Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Interesting discussion and I would agree on point.  What would interesting to know is how the HP change was measured; chassis dyno or engine dyno?

 

Ken 

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows

 

From: Lorne Fritz via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 7:13 AM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ; fubog1 <mailto:fubog1 at aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 

Good point. 

 

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> > wrote:

That is one thing to consider.

When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.

 

I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.

That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:01 PM
To: Lorne Fritz <lorne.fritz at gmail.com <mailto:lorne.fritz at gmail.com> >; Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com <mailto:steve at artwithcars.com> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

 

Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.

It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.

I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032

Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...

 

Glen Efinger.

 

 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.  I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.  My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
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> ?
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From gt6racer at msn.com  Fri Jan 12 15:45:56 2024
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:45:56 +0000
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Interesting discussion. I think I read the optimal is to run as close to zero as possible, but to add a slight angle to the head surface, increasing gap in the direction of the chamber. I can see an issue with a very small flat squish, as the mass of air moving increases in that direction, so more area provided would be logical.
          I have normally run my gap at gasket thickness, ie zero deck, but I am just building a motor that will (maybe ?) run 8 thou proud.

Thank you,
      Andrew Devenish

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 12, 2024, at 1:33?PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
The measurements were made on a rolling road?.BUT on the rolling road at the Nurburging.
This dyno was in charge to measure the balance of performance power of the race cars under controlled regulations.
This dyno was equipped with a custom made software to be most exact. You can say the reference dyno.

Why did we get a little gain?
My GUESS -  Two things come into play:

  1.  Turbulence ? turbulence is good to the point when it gets so strong that it blows the flame out or it pushes against the flame front and hinder it
  2.  Mathematical?.assuming that you can make the gap zero between piston and head. The TR?s do have a chamber half the size of the piston surface. If you get the gap down to zero the pressure of the combustion forces on half of the piston deck: Force = pressure x area. If the area is half the size, the force is half as strong. Certainly this is only true on TDC as soon the piston moves downwards the full area of the piston deck comes in to play again.

I guess, these little things might make this little gain happen.
But, I?m not an engine developer, I only make some thoughts about it?maybe not true and the result is just luck.
On the other hand?..my car has many wins with standard crank and standard valve sizes. Does perform quite nice and seem to hold together.

Cheers
Chris


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Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance

I'm still burning up (precious) brain cells on this, yes interesting, but that's one of my questions also, exactly how was the reported gain established?
I've always gone with the theory that more is better when it comes to turbulence, which requires minimal squish clearance.
I would imagine that chamber & piston top configuration, ie flat-tops or a lump on top, may be part of the equation as well...
Yes compelling discussion!

Glen Efinger

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:57:08 AM EST, Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com<mailto:kknight at klaenv.com>> wrote:



Interesting discussion and I would agree on point.  What would interesting to know is how the HP change was measured; chassis dyno or engine dyno?



Ken



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Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance



Good point.



On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>> wrote:

That is one thing to consider.

When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.



I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.

That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.



Cheers

Chris





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Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.

It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.

I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032

Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...



Glen Efinger.





On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:





You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.  The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.  I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.  My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


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> Hi.  In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).  What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,  Lorne
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 13 08:16:14 2024
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 I cannot really add any info for the answer but, I can add what can happen if you screw things up. Decades back I built an 1147 race engine for my car. Did the popup pistons per the prep book, not much but a little above the deck. All the chambers were equal size, all the pistons popped up exactly the same. Lots of hours and grinding/sanding to achieve this. Assemble for final time was Tuesday night into the wee hours of Weds am. Everything went well, finished getting car ready and loaded Fri pm for RA the following day. Went out for practice one Sat am. Took it easy to let things get happy inside. Sat afternoon practice came so out I went. A couple laps in I went for it. It was built for 8k so I went there. As I approached T11, 4th gear, moving towards 8k, it all went wrong. A loud bang, loss of power and that sick feeling. Gauges all were normal, no smoke, no signs of leaks so I motored back to the pits on 3 cyls. After letting it cool and changing I dove into it. Pulled the head and looked in. Three pistons were at the same level so I pushed on the odd one out and it fell into the pan. I could see the pin attached to the rod, rod bent at about a 30 deg angle sideways and lots of debris. All in all, I needed a rod, piston, rod bearing, intake valve and the usual gaskets and fluids. Block survived without a scratch and I was racing 2 weeks later. The rod was a stock rod that was shot-peened and a stock cast piston. I caused the failure by putting the wrong piston in the cyl, they all were withing a few thousanths of deck height and I mixed 2 up. Lesson learned, don't assemble a race engine a couple long nights before an event.
Cheers,Ralph
ps. the rod might someday make a nice paper weight??
    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 06:35:50 PM CST, Andrew Devenish via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Interesting discussion. I think I read the optimal is to run as close to zero as possible, but to add a slight angle to the head surface, increasing gap in the direction of the chamber. I can see an issue with a very small flat squish, as the mass of air moving increases in that direction, so more area provided would be logical.? ? ? ? ? I have normally run my gap at gasket thickness, ie zero deck, but I am just building a motor that will (maybe ?) run 8 thou proud.?
Thank you,?? ? ? Andrew Devenish
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On Jan 12, 2024, at 1:33?PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

The measurements were made on a rolling road?.BUT on the rolling road at the Nurburging.
 
This dyno was in charge to measure the balance of performance power of the race cars under controlled regulations.
 
This dyno was equipped with a custom made software to be most exact. You can say the reference dyno.
 
 ?
 
Why did we get a little gain?
 
My GUESS - ?Two things come into play:
    
   - Turbulence ? turbulence is good to the point when it gets so strong that it blows the flame out or it pushes against the flame front and hinder it
   - Mathematical?.assuming that you can make the gap zero between piston and head. The TR?s do have a chamber half the size of the piston surface. If you get the gap down to zero the pressure of the combustion forces on half of the piston deck: Force = pressure x area. If the area is half the size, the force is half as strong. Certainly this is only true on TDC as soon the piston moves downwards the full area of the piston deck comes in to play again.
 
 ?
 
I guess, these little things might make this little gain happen.
 
But, I?m not an engine developer, I only make some thoughts about it?maybe not true and the result is just luck.
 
On the other hand?..my car has many wins with standard crank and standard valve sizes. Does perform quite nice and seem to hold together.
 
 ?
 
Cheers
 
Chris
 
 ?
 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston to head clearance
 
 ?
 
I'm still burning up (precious) brain cells on this, yes interesting, but that's one of my questions also, exactly how was the reported gain established?
 
I've always gone with the theory that more is better when it comes to turbulence, which requires minimal squish clearance.
 
I would imagine that chamber & piston top configuration, ie flat-tops or a lump on top, may be part of the equation as well...
 
Yes compelling discussion!
 
 ?
 
Glen Efinger
 
 ?
 
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:57:08 AM EST, Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com> wrote:
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
Interesting discussion and I would agree on point.? What would interesting to know is how the HP change was measured; chassis dyno or engine dyno?
 
?
 
Ken
 
?
 
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?
 
Good point.
 
?
 
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 6:45?PM <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
 

That is one thing to consider.
 
When is turbulence supporting and when is turbulence overdone and disturbing.
 
?
 
I could imagine to force too much turbulence with a very small squish gap the flame front expansion is compromised, thus slows down, and lowers the hp output.
 
That?s why we had the best power with 0.047? gap.
 
?
 
Cheers
 
Chris
 
?
 
?
 
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?
 
Steve nailed it, both on the ##s, & the importance of it.
 
It depends on what rods & crank, piston to wall clearance & what RPM, but for most applications that's right in the ballpark.
 
I've run as little as oops not enough ie .025 or less, .028 minimum (you won't get any carbon deposit on the squish area), but to play it safe nowadays I use .030-.032
 
Also on these engines it's not only a CR related issue, the squish is very critical, you want to minimize the clearance between piston top & head to maximize the squish effect, which creates turbulence, which assists in good combustion...
 
?
 
Glen Efinger.
 
?
 
?
 
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 01:00:50 PM EST, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
 
?
 
?
 
You want as little as necessary because this is where your high CR comes from.? The thickness of the head gasket is the major part of P to H clearance.? I ran .026 P to H clearance at Cal Speedway and the piston kissed the head and I spun a bearing.? My machine shop guy likes .040 for safety but I?ve been running .032 and it?s working out great
~Steve


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> Hi.? In the past I have had pistons hit the head and leave a mark(TR3/4).? What piston to head clearance are most of you running? Thanks in advance,? Lorne
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From dcphotos at icloud.com  Tue Jan 16 10:29:37 2024
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anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
Lemme know, 
Don

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Good story to tell?

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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 17:55:42 2024
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He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 19:08:56 2024
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Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.

I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.

Hi Chuck!


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> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
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> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
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> Chuck
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>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Good story to tell?
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>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 19:39:04 2024
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Hi Brad!

Chuck

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:09?PM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.
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> I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.
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> Hi Chuck!
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>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
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>> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
>> 
>> Chuck
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>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Good story to tell?
>>> 
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>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>>> Lemme know,
>>>> Don
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From dcphotos at icloud.com  Tue Jan 16 19:41:32 2024
From: dcphotos at icloud.com (Don Couch)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:41:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <986D1423-72A4-40C5-8F5E-C38CCBDE4F89@gmail.com>
References: <4B369918-D953-4664-A60D-10077C49F7C2@gmail.com>
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Actually, the bolt didn?t break.
I bent the rod when I smacked CHUCK over the head with it! 

Don


> On Jan 16, 2024, at 8:39 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad!
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:09?PM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.
>> 
>> I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.
>> 
>> Hi Chuck!
>> 
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Good story to tell?
>>>> 
>>>> Brad Eells
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>>>> Lemme know,
>>>>> Don
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>>> 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Jan 16 19:49:18 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:49:18 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <EACC1931-EFF5-4260-A445-B8A2D237000B@gmail.com>
References: <EACC1931-EFF5-4260-A445-B8A2D237000B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005239C2-9F4A-425F-8BEE-B00FA04E3FF1@icloud.com>

? 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 20:40, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Good story to tell?
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>> Lemme know,
>>> Don
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 21:44:34 2024
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 23:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <005239C2-9F4A-425F-8BEE-B00FA04E3FF1@icloud.com>
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Hey, that?s what he told me.

Chuck

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:49?PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?? 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 20:40, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Good story to tell?
>>> 
>>> Brad Eells
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>>> Lemme know,
>>>> Don
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jan 17 07:01:34 2024
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:01:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <4B369918-D953-4664-A60D-10077C49F7C2@gmail.com>
References: <EACC1931-EFF5-4260-A445-B8A2D237000B@gmail.com>
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<< I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use. >>

Yes!  And the Pauter rod bolts don't cost $42 each, or whatever they are now.  I have a set each of the Carrillos and the Pauters, but was very happy with the Pauter rods.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 8:09 PM
To: chasgee22 at gmail.com
Cc: Don Couch <dcphotos at icloud.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed

Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.

I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.

Hi Chuck!


Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Good story to tell?
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>> Lemme know,
>>> Don
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>>> 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 07:22:10 2024
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 09:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?For_sale_-_40=E2=80=99_Haulmark_enclosed_trailer?=
Message-ID: <E342B155-D7E3-49E5-BB45-F0E7BD771474@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I?m selling my 40? Haulmark enclosed car trailer.  It has a fifth wheel pin, 6000# axles, 18,000# rated.  Good condition inside and out.  8? front deck.  E track on the floor for the entire length and some on the walls.  12v dome lighting and also wired for 110V AC (lighting, outlets, breaker, etc).  Spare tire, manual two speed landing gear.  The roof is water tight and tires are in good shape.  96? beaver tail at the rear with ramp door.  48? RV side door.  Looks and tows great with my Chevy Silverado 2500HD diesel.

Please contact me directly for pictures if you are interested.  The trailer is located in the Greenville, SC area.

Thanks,

Chuck
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 07:23:11 2024
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 09:23:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?For_sale_-_40=E2=80=99_Haulmark_enclosed_trailer?=
In-Reply-To: <E342B155-D7E3-49E5-BB45-F0E7BD771474@gmail.com>
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I guess the price would be important!  $12,500.

Chuck

> On Jan 17, 2024, at 9:22?AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello all,
> 
> I?m selling my 40? Haulmark enclosed car trailer.  It has a fifth wheel pin, 6000# axles, 18,000# rated.  Good condition inside and out.  8? front deck.  E track on the floor for the entire length and some on the walls.  12v dome lighting and also wired for 110V AC (lighting, outlets, breaker, etc).  Spare tire, manual two speed landing gear.  The roof is water tight and tires are in good shape.  96? beaver tail at the rear with ramp door.  48? RV side door.  Looks and tows great with my Chevy Silverado 2500HD diesel.
> 
> Please contact me directly for pictures if you are interested.  The trailer is located in the Greenville, SC area.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 07:23:28 2024
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 08:23:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <E2B0656C-C9BC-4E63-9B16-4147E9784DB4@icloud.com>
References: <E2B0656C-C9BC-4E63-9B16-4147E9784DB4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <4388029B-8A63-4030-AFAE-12AAE60F71D6@gmail.com>

Don

That?s hard to believe. We all know that Chuck is a little soft in the head.

Bob 


You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 10:52?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Actually, the bolt didn?t break.
> I bent the rod when I smacked CHUCK over the head with it!
> 
> Don
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 8:39 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad!
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:09?PM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.
>>> 
>>> I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.
>>> 
>>> Hi Chuck!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brad Eells
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Good story to tell?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brad Eells
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>>>>> Lemme know,
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>> 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 08:46:58 2024
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 10:46:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Carrillo rod needed
In-Reply-To: <4388029B-8A63-4030-AFAE-12AAE60F71D6@gmail.com>
References: <4388029B-8A63-4030-AFAE-12AAE60F71D6@gmail.com>
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A little?

Chuck

> On Jan 17, 2024, at 9:23?AM, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Don
> 
> That?s hard to believe. We all know that Chuck is a little soft in the head.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 10:52?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Actually, the bolt didn?t break.
>> I bent the rod when I smacked CHUCK over the head with it!
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 8:39 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad!
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:09?PM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Ouch. Marty Sukey had an experience with a Carillo rod where the bolt let go.
>>>> 
>>>> I bought Pauter?s due to the larger rod bolt they use.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Chuck!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Brad Eells
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?He was just about to lap Greg Blake and Bob Kramer at Circuit of the Americas when the motor let go.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 7:42?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Good story to tell?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brad Eells
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Don Couch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?anyone have one carrillo rod for a small journal 1296 or 1147 Spitfire they?d part with?
>>>>>>> Lemme know,
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>>> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 10:10:41 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 11:10:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
References: <003101da4a21$64b85870$2e290950$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>

Inquiry about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.

Seems like this guy is a candidate for FOT.


Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
> Date: January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20?AM CST
> To: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Subject: RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
> 
> ?
> Joe,
>  
> Thanks for the follow up.  Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil system for the main bearings.   I am exploring this as I understand the main bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race conditions.  I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a robust engine and oil system.  So, the TR6 race engine is a new project for me.   I owned a ?70 MG Midget and ?70 TR6 ?back in the day?, but were street driven.
>  
> Attached are excerpts from the most recent version of Kastner?s Triumph preparation manual (pages 130-135).  I included the section on oil pumps through oil sump.  In the book, there is a discussion about the external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he ?stopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main gallery?.  Also, I understand the black manifold in one of the pictures ?meters? the oil flow.  One of the pictures shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to the accusump.   It is this black oil manifold that I cannot find a source or enough information even to ensure constructing it properly.  I want to avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, then find it does not work as intended.
>  
> With regards to an oiler for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy debate in most of the forums, many implying that it would starve the main bearings.  There seems to be no consensus.
>  
> Anything you can provide would be helpful.
>  
> Thanks again,
>  
> Mark Cook
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:16 AM
> To: Mark Cook
> Subject: Re: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
>  
> I am not familiar with this feature as you described it. Can you provide a digital?
>  
> Is it an oiler for the rocker arms?
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>  
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2024, at 3:51?PM, Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Joe,
>  
> Suzanne Winters (Kas Kastner site) referred me to you regarding the Kastner external oil manifold.   I am working with a local Triumph enthusiast to build another race engine for my ?69 TR6 (using a ?75 engine) and would like to use the Kastner external oil system.  The existing engine has an external oil system that a prior owner cobbled together with, well, odds and ends.  It is routed the same, but not sure how effective it was when the car was running.   Anything I can find does not provide detail on how the manifold ?meters? the oil.   Suzanne thought you might be able to provide assistance or point me in the right direction, even possibly where we can purchase a manifold.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Mark Cook
> Apex, NC
>  
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 10:28:06 2024
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:28:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
In-Reply-To: <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>
References: <003101da4a21$64b85870$2e290950$@mindspring.com>
 <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1445485063.1793533.1705598886489@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mark,Our experience with the oiling issues is that it was a GT6 problem that was resolved for TR6 engines. My wife's TR6 race engine seems perfectly happy without external oiling to the cam bearings and we also run an external oil line to the back of the head for the rockers. We haven't had any bearing issues (we do have actual cam bearings, not just the bare borings), and I know Allen Washatko ran the same setup on his somewhat hotter TR6. We have an Accusump plumbed into the blank fitting just above the oil filter housing (it's a threaded aluminum plug that we drilled out). We run a stock oil pump with an extended pickup in a deepend pan and oiling hasn't been an issue at all. Email me back if you'd like to discuss or have me send some photos of our setup.
Cheers,Jake Jacobsen??
    On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 11:15:57 AM CST, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Inquiry about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.
Seems like this guy is a candidate for FOT.


Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613ARE ?LLCGasketinnovations.comEmail: N197tr4 at cs.comCell: ?319.464.4711

Begin forwarded message:


From: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
Date: January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20?AM CST
To: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)



?
Joe,

 ?

Thanks for the follow up.? Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil system for the main bearings. ??I am exploring this as I understand the main bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race conditions.? I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a robust engine and oil system.? So, the TR6 race engine is a new project for me.?? I owned a ?70 MG Midget and ?70 TR6 ?back in the day?, but were street driven.

 ?

Attached are excerpts from the most recent version of Kastner?s Triumph preparation manual (pages 130-135).? I included the section on oil pumps through oil sump.? In the book, there is a discussion about the external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he ?stopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main gallery?.? Also, I understand the black manifold in one of the pictures ?meters? the oil flow. ?One of the pictures shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to the accusump.? ?It is this black oil manifold that I cannot find a source or enough information even to ensure constructing it properly.? I want to avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, then find it does not work as intended. 

 ?

With regards to an oiler for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy debate in most of the forums, many implying that it would starve the main bearings.? There seems to be no consensus.

 ?

Anything you can provide would be helpful.

 ?

Thanks again,

 ?

Mark Cook

 ?







?







?

From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:16 AM
To: Mark Cook
Subject: Re: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

 ?

I am not familiar with this feature as you described it. Can you provide a digital?

 ?

Is it an oiler for the rocker arms?

 ?

Regards,

 ?

 ?

Joe Alexander

4505 Donald Dr

Cedar Falls, IA 50613

Alexander Racing Ent.

Website: Gasketinnovations.com

Email: N197tr4 at cs.com

Cell: ?319.464.4711

 ?





On Jan 17, 2024, at 3:51?PM, Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com> wrote:


?

Joe,

?

Suzanne Winters (Kas Kastner site) referred me to you regarding the Kastner external oil manifold. ??I am working with a local Triumph enthusiast to build another race engine for my ?69 TR6 (using a ?75 engine) and would like to use the Kastner external oil system.? The existing engine has an external oil system that a prior owner cobbled together with, well, odds and ends.? It is routed the same, but not sure how effective it was when the car was running.?? Anything I can find does not provide detail on how the manifold ?meters? the oil.?? Suzanne thought you might be able to provide assistance or point me in the right direction, even possibly where we can purchase a manifold.

?

Thanks in advance,

?

Mark Cook

Apex, NC

?

?

?

?

?








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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Jan 18 10:58:09 2024
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:58:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
In-Reply-To: <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>
References: <003101da4a21$64b85870$2e290950$@mindspring.com>
 <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012a01da4a37$e825d0a0$b87171e0$@mitchelplumbing.com>

On my TR6 race motors (I?ve run 133 events, about 10000 miles), I never ran external oil lines and only experienced rod bearing problems twice, both were not associated with starved bearings, but builder error.   I don?t recall ever having a main bearing failure. 

 I?ve never seen a manufactured oil manifold, most I?ve seen are put together with a bunch of tees.  I think it would be easy enough to weld up a manifold out of pipe and fittings.

I think attention should be paid to the oil pump in particular.  

I?ve taking mine and cleaned up the castings to flow smoother and have checked all the tolerances to make sure they?re with in spec (blueprinted), there is someone who is offering blueprinted oil pumps for the TR6 and maybe a gasket between the oil pump and block would help.

Charly Mitchel

TR6 #44

 

https://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm

 

http://www.wbclassics.com/content/oil-pump-blueprinted-port-blended-triumph-gt6-tr250-tr6

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:11 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

 

Inquiry about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.

 

Seems like this guy is a candidate for FOT.

 

 

Joe Alexander

4505 Donald Dr

Cedar Falls, IA 50613

ARE  LLC

Gasketinnovations.com

Email: N197tr4 at cs.com <mailto:N197tr4 at cs.com> 

Cell:  319.464.4711

 


Begin forwarded message:

From: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com <mailto:mecook at mindspring.com> >
Date: January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20?AM CST
To: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com <mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com> >
Subject: RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

?

Joe,

 

Thanks for the follow up.  Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil system for the main bearings.   I am exploring this as I understand the main bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race conditions.  I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a robust engine and oil system.  So, the TR6 race engine is a new project for me.   I owned a ?70 MG Midget and ?70 TR6 ?back in the day?, but were street driven.

 

Attached are excerpts from the most recent version of Kastner?s Triumph preparation manual (pages 130-135).  I included the section on oil pumps through oil sump.  In the book, there is a discussion about the external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he ?stopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main gallery?.  Also, I understand the black manifold in one of the pictures ?meters? the oil flow.  One of the pictures shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to the accusump.   It is this black oil manifold that I cannot find a source or enough information even to ensure constructing it properly.  I want to avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, then find it does not work as intended. 

 

With regards to an oiler for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy debate in most of the forums, many implying that it would starve the main bearings.  There seems to be no consensus.

 

Anything you can provide would be helpful.

 

Thanks again,

 

Mark Cook

 

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 18 12:11:07 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 14:11:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
In-Reply-To: <012a01da4a37$e825d0a0$b87171e0$@mitchelplumbing.com>
References: <003101da4a21$64b85870$2e290950$@mindspring.com>
 <3E80266D-949F-45A0-B897-2AB1ECFA2200@gmail.com>
 <012a01da4a37$e825d0a0$b87171e0$@mitchelplumbing.com>
Message-ID: <009201da4a42$17c6c350$475449f0$@mindspring.com>

Charly,

 

Once again, thanks!  For the others on the list, Charly had been great at helping me with some other questions.   On the external oil manifold, Chuck Gee has reached out to me separately as well as Jake Jacobsen.

 

Great points on the oil pump.  Steve Yott let me know he is no longer making his oil pumps which were primarily for the TR4.  So, am looking at the Racestorations oil pump/baffle combination.  Even with it, cleaning up the castings and checking the tolerances is a good idea.

 

Thanks again!

 

Regards,

 

Mark Cook      

 

From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 12:58 PM
To: 'Joe Alexander'; fot at autox.team.net; 'Mark Cook'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

 

On my TR6 race motors (I?ve run 133 events, about 10000 miles), I never ran external oil lines and only experienced rod bearing problems twice, both were not associated with starved bearings, but builder error.   I don?t recall ever having a main bearing failure. 

 I?ve never seen a manufactured oil manifold, most I?ve seen are put together with a bunch of tees.  I think it would be easy enough to weld up a manifold out of pipe and fittings.

I think attention should be paid to the oil pump in particular.  

I?ve taking mine and cleaned up the castings to flow smoother and have checked all the tolerances to make sure they?re with in spec (blueprinted), there is someone who is offering blueprinted oil pumps for the TR6 and maybe a gasket between the oil pump and block would help.

Charly Mitchel

TR6 #44

 

https://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm

 

http://www.wbclassics.com/content/oil-pump-blueprinted-port-blended-triumph-gt6-tr250-tr6

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:11 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

 

Inquiry about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.

 

Seems like this guy is a candidate for FOT.

 

 

Joe Alexander

4505 Donald Dr

Cedar Falls, IA 50613

ARE  LLC

Gasketinnovations.com

Email: N197tr4 at cs.com

Cell:  319.464.4711

 


Begin forwarded message:

From: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
Date: January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20?AM CST
To: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Subject: RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)

?

Joe,

 

Thanks for the follow up.  Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil system for the main bearings.   I am exploring this as I understand the main bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race conditions.  I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a robust engine and oil system.  So, the TR6 race engine is a new project for me.   I owned a ?70 MG Midget and ?70 TR6 ?back in the day?, but were street driven.

 

Attached are excerpts from the most recent version of Kastner?s Triumph preparation manual (pages 130-135).  I included the section on oil pumps through oil sump.  In the book, there is a discussion about the external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he ?stopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main gallery?.  Also, I understand the black manifold in one of the pictures ?meters? the oil flow.  One of the pictures shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to the accusump.   It is this black oil manifold that I cannot find a source or enough information even to ensure constructing it properly.  I want to avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, then find it does not work as intended. 

 

With regards to an oiler for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy debate in most of the forums, many implying that it would starve the main bearings.  There seems to be no consensus.

 

Anything you can provide would be helpful.

 

Thanks again,

 

Mark Cook

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jan 18 15:40:44 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:40:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mark Cook
Message-ID: <bd634e64-5edc-407f-8f96-fba23665c451@bradakis.com>

I added him to the list.  Mark, you may want to check out the archives, 
links at the bottom, to see some replies to your query.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jan 18 16:38:12 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 16:38:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Express?
Message-ID: <49c02e58-edf1-44fa-8541-7072686a064b@bradakis.com>

So any further plans on using Amtrak to get to Sonoma?  Otherwise I will 
drive my trusty (?) Pathfinder.

mjb.

From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 15:05:02 2024
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:05:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Velocity Stacks
Message-ID: <6231CB3B-678E-4BC2-87FD-7A4AE60C4988@gmail.com>

I have one pair of velocity stacks that were for my TR4A, but I went a different direction, so I never used them.

I?m moving out of my warehouse/office and trying to reduce my footing.

How does $20 plus shipping sound?

?Justin 

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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 20:49:15 2024
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:49:15 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Velocity Stacks
In-Reply-To: <6231CB3B-678E-4BC2-87FD-7A4AE60C4988@gmail.com>
References: <6231CB3B-678E-4BC2-87FD-7A4AE60C4988@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6EB7C87-1944-4451-8BA4-048D3DEE90FA@gmail.com>

they have found an FOT home.  cheers.

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 2:05 PM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have one pair of velocity stacks that were for my TR4A, but I went a different direction, so I never used them.
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 11:26:21 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 12:26:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Organization
In-Reply-To: <2051822612.136954.1705601800362@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <2051822612.136954.1705601800362@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <881DB14A-4763-4DB0-A133-6D8108E74D77@gmail.com>

Curt had a Good meeting.  He is a professional at organizing.

A few notes and highlights, if I may.

We have confirmed the Attendance of Triumph TS1LO as a feature of the Kastner Cup.



We are still working on the TR250k at least to be displayed. 



Dave Hogye is going to help Hardy get his Championship TR3 to the Kastner Cup.



We need to finalize plans for participation of the BSCHOF.  The HOF has two new members of the Board of Directors.   Mark Alexander. (ARE LLC) and Blake Burgy (Moss Motors). Both should in attendance. Triumphs are well represented in the HOF. Notably, Kas Kastner. Under the direction of Gary Kincel, the HOF is making its mark in Motorsports History. (HOFer Mark Bradakis will be with us.



The excitement builds.  We have the full support of SVRA and Tony Parella.

More announcements forthcoming from Curt Johnson.


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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 11:43:43 2024
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:43:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Organization
In-Reply-To: <881DB14A-4763-4DB0-A133-6D8108E74D77@gmail.com>
References: <2051822612.136954.1705601800362@connect.xfinity.com>
 <881DB14A-4763-4DB0-A133-6D8108E74D77@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24214889-8dd4-4d4e-8c79-5d0d36b23460@gmail.com>

Anyone figured out camping at the even yet? The track web site has 
nothing about camping for that weekend.

TeriAnn

On 1/20/24 10:26 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> Curt had a Good meeting. ?He is a professional at organizing.
>
> A few notes and highlights, if I may.
>
> We have confirmed the Attendance of Triumph TS1LO as a feature of the 
> Kastner Cup.
>
> image1.jpeg
>
> We are still working on the TR250k at least to be displayed.
>
> image0.jpeg
>
> Dave Hogye is going to help Hardy get his Championship TR3 to the 
> Kastner Cup.
>
> image2.jpeg
>
> We need to finalize plans for participation of the BSCHOF. ?The HOF 
> has two new members of the Board of Directors. ? Mark Alexander. (ARE 
> LLC) and Blake Burgy (Moss Motors). Both should in attendance. 
> Triumphs are well represented in the HOF. Notably, Kas Kastner. Under 
> the direction of Gary Kincel, the HOF is making its mark in 
> Motorsports History. (HOFer Mark Bradakis will be with us.
>
> image3.jpeg
>
> The excitement builds. ?We have the full support of SVRA and Tony Parella.
>
> More announcements forthcoming from Curt Johnson.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 11:59:41 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 12:59:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Organization
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:13:40 2024
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
Message-ID: <A88C7885-F78A-418C-AA00-75F96267036E@gmail.com>

FOT,

Selling my very well built 1964 Spitfire race car - decided to go in a different direction, but staying Triumph!  This Spitfire has been raced since new, predominantly in NE. Log books back to 1972 & show many races at Lake Erie, Nelson Ledges, Watkins Glen, Lime Rock, Pocono, Mid-Ohio, & Mosport before the PO started Hill Climbs in 2017.  I returned the car to Road Race configuration and also did a full restoration in 2020 and since the log book had added The FIRM, Roebling Road & 2020 Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio.
2024 Fresh engine by JS Performance: Wiseco forged pistons; Pauter Rods; APT TR64-BK Cam; fully prepped crank (balanced, polished, nitrided; Full build sheet available on request.  
Detail Highlights: Dual SU HS4 carbs. GT6 transmission (by JS Performance). Lightened steel flywheel. HD driveshaft & U-joints. Quaif limited slip differential. Sommers Brothers rear axles. VTO Wheels 13x6.  Facet fuel pump.  Schroth Harness. Stewart Warner Gauges. Dense Alternator.  Supertrapp muffler.  ATL 8gal Fuel Cell. Safecraft Fire Suppression.  Kirkey Seat w/ removable spectator seat.  Full roll cage w/ door bars & rear boot hoop.  Brake balance bar setup. 

Car at JS Performance shop in Elyria, OH now.  Scheduled to return to Florida in February.  Full documentation of all parts & work performed. 

Ready to Race.  $17,500.

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:32:53 2024
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 18:32:53 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
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Familiar with this Spit.  It is one nice car! I wish it was in my corral .  You could not duplicate it for near this price.

Marty Sukey
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 1:13 PM
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Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale

FOT,

Selling my very well built 1964 Spitfire race car - decided to go in a different direction, but staying Triumph!  This Spitfire has been raced since new, predominantly in NE. Log books back to 1972 & show many races at Lake Erie, Nelson Ledges, Watkins Glen, Lime Rock, Pocono, Mid-Ohio, & Mosport before the PO started Hill Climbs in 2017.  I returned the car to Road Race configuration and also did a full restoration in 2020 and since the log book had added The FIRM, Roebling Road & 2020 Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio.
2024 Fresh engine by JS Performance: Wiseco forged pistons; Pauter Rods; APT TR64-BK Cam; fully prepped crank (balanced, polished, nitrided; Full build sheet available on request.
Detail Highlights: Dual SU HS4 carbs. GT6 transmission (by JS Performance). Lightened steel flywheel. HD driveshaft & U-joints. Quaif limited slip differential. Sommers Brothers rear axles. VTO Wheels 13x6.  Facet fuel pump.  Schroth Harness. Stewart Warner Gauges. Dense Alternator.  Supertrapp muffler.  ATL 8gal Fuel Cell. Safecraft Fire Suppression.  Kirkey Seat w/ removable spectator seat.  Full roll cage w/ door bars & rear boot hoop.  Brake balance bar setup.

Car at JS Performance shop in Elyria, OH now.  Scheduled to return to Florida in February.  Full documentation of all parts & work performed.

Ready to Race.  $17,500.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 21 13:18:33 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:18:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
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1147 motor?  Just curious.  I am about $17,400 short of the required 
funds to purchase this little gem.

mjb.


From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 14:05:04 2024
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
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1296cc Small Journal!

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 15:22, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> 1147 motor?  Just curious.  I am about $17,400 short of the required funds to purchase this little gem.
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 14:33:43 2024
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sun Jan 21 15:58:26 2024
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 15:58:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1964 Spitfire Race Car for Sale
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What?s the link to the 64 race Spitfire?

Thanks 
Bud

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>> 1147 motor?  Just curious.  I am about $17,400 short of the required funds to purchase this little gem.
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 16:20:42 2024
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jan 22 08:07:08 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 08:07:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup lodging?
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What are some recommended motels to stay in for the Kastner Cup?

mjb.

From sonomascot at aol.com  Mon Jan 22 09:12:40 2024
From: sonomascot at aol.com (Scott Meredith)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 16:12:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Kastner Cup lodging?
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 Probably closest and most reasonably priced motel near Sonoma Raceway:? ?$95. according to website -
https://www.choicehotels.com/california/novato/ascend-hotels/caf88?mc=llgoxxpx

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 What are some recommended motels to stay in for the Kastner Cup?

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 10:33:38 2024
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 11:33:38 -0600
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 14:35:01 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 13:35:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Kastner Cup lodging?
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The Inn Marin was the host hotel in 2016.  Closest to the track, about ten miles.  
It's an old style inn.  Single level room blocks where you can park close to the door of your room.  The restaurant is/was very good.  A corporation bought the place around 6 years ago.  Before then it was original family owned and well run and maintained.  I had a less than pleasant experience there shortly after the owner change.  I ended up cancelling my stay and went down the road to Best Western Plus Novato Oaks Inn.  Novato Oaks Inn is my favorite lodging near Sonoma.  A little more upscale to the Inn Marin.  Very comfortable, very clean and equally upscale dining.  A little more expensive too, but worth it to me in comparison.  It is very possible that the Inn Marin has improved since my last experience, but I haven't had the opportunity to try them again.  The Inn Marin had been the best comfort and value nearest the track.
 
Dave H.  

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> Thanks. We stayed there once. I recommend it.
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> > https://www.choicehotels.com/california/novato/ascend-hotels/caf88?mc=llgoxxpx
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> > What are some recommended motels to stay in for the Kastner Cup?
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jan 22 20:39:28 2024
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:39:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Kastner Cup lodging?
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My last stay at Inn Marin was not all that favorable. Load neighbors until 3AM and our room was not all that clean.Walter Hollowell?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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   The Inn Marin was the host hotel in 2016.? Closest to the track, about ten miles.??
   
  
   It's an old style inn.? Single level room blocks where you can park close to the door of your room.? The restaurant is/was very good.? A corporation bought the place around 6 years ago.? Before then it was original family owned and well run and maintained.? I had a less than pleasant experience there shortly after the owner change.? I ended up cancelling my stay and went down the road to Best Western Plus Novato Oaks Inn.? Novato Oaks Inn is my favorite lodging near Sonoma.? A little more upscale to the Inn Marin.? Very comfortable, very clean and equally upscale dining.? A little more expensive too, but worth it to me in comparison.? It is very possible that the Inn Marin has improved since my last experience, but I haven't had the opportunity to try them again.? The Inn Marin had been the best comfort and value nearest the track.
   
  
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   Dave H.??
   
   
   
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    Thanks. We stayed there once. I recommend it.
    
   
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       Probably closest and most reasonably priced motel near Sonoma Raceway:? ?$95. according to website -
       
      
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       https://www.choicehotels.com/california/novato/ascend-hotels/caf88?mc=llgoxxpx
       
      
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Jan 23 13:13:58 2024
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:13:58 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FW: Request for Uninstalled Trim Kits
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Dear TRF Customer-


I hope you are doing well.  I am staying busy and thinking of ways to get some aspects of TRF going again.  We had a shipment of stock from our UK suppliers delivered a few days after the fire that I have in storage.  I am hoping to get that unpacked in the next few weeks and I am working on some different ideas about how to list those parts for sale.  The tooling for the parts we have reproduced is safe with our manucturers and we can have new batches of those parts made.  I have a shipment in transit from our Taiwan manufacturer that will include our famous yellow fans and the long awaited backlight seals for the TR6 hardtop.  That should be delivered by the middle of March.

I would also like to get our trim shop, The Magic Carpet Factory, running again.  Brenda is eager to come back to work, but most of her patterns were destroyed in the fire  We would like to make new patterns, but we need some help.  If you recently bought a carpet set, hoodstick cover or headliner kit that you have not installed yet, please get in touch by replying to this email.  We are especially interested in TR2 thru TR6 items to start off with.  We can arrange a shipping label for you and we will return the kit to you within a couple of weeks.

Below is a picture I took of TRF on January 3.  I hope to include more pictures of TRF as we make progress.  Thanks for your support.

best,
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Jan 23 13:15:21 2024
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:15:21 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FW: Request for Uninstalled Trim Kits
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Dear TRF Customer-


I hope you are doing well.  I am staying busy and thinking of ways to get some aspects of TRF going again.  We had a shipment of stock from our UK suppliers delivered a few days after the fire that I have in storage.  I am hoping to get that unpacked in the next few weeks and I am working on some different ideas about how to list those parts for sale.  The tooling for the parts we have reproduced is safe with our manucturers and we can have new batches of those parts made.  I have a shipment in transit from our Taiwan manufacturer that will include our famous yellow fans and the long awaited backlight seals for the TR6 hardtop.  That should be delivered by the middle of March.

I would also like to get our trim shop, The Magic Carpet Factory, running again.  Brenda is eager to come back to work, but most of her patterns were destroyed in the fire  We would like to make new patterns, but we need some help.  If you recently bought a carpet set, hoodstick cover or headliner kit that you have not installed yet, please get in touch by replying to this email.  We are especially interested in TR2 thru TR6 items to start off with.  We can arrange a shipping label for you and we will return the kit to you within a couple of weeks.

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From krhollar at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 25 12:11:24 2024
From: krhollar at yahoo.com (Ken Hollar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:11:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Baffled Oil Pan For Tractor Motor. Do I Need one? Is There
 Such a Thing?
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Hello All,
Do I need a baffled oil pan for my TR3A?? I there such a thing available?
Anybody have experience or made their own?
Thanks for the input.
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Jan 25 21:41:27 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:41:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Rear seal jig tr3/4
Message-ID: <102835A8-EC62-4DBC-843E-5BD13A1AD76B@icloud.com>

I?m trying a rear seal from BPNW that I haven?t used before. 
Where do you track down this centering tool?

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From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Thu Jan 25 22:32:10 2024
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 05:32:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rear seal jig tr3/4
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Joe Alexander has them  :-)
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On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:03?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I?m trying a rear seal from BPNW that I haven?t used before.
Where do you track down this centering tool?

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu Jan 25 22:41:35 2024
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 21:41:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Rear seal jig tr3/4
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There?s this but I can not vouch for the exact size.  I bought a nylon centering tool from them years ago and had to have it machined down to the proper size.



https://mossmotors.com/386-891-rear-main-crank-seal-alignment-tool?
Rear Main Crank Seal Alignment Tool
mossmotors.com

~Steve

> On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I?m trying a rear seal from BPNW that I haven?t used before. 
> Where do you track down this centering tool?
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 06:16:53 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:16:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Rear seal jig tr3/4
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We have the centering tool. Just ran 100 of them.  


Joe Alexander
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Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
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> On Jan 25, 2024, at 11:15?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m trying a rear seal from BPNW that I haven?t used before.
> Where do you track down this centering tool?
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 06:22:03 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:22:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Rear seal jig tr3/4
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From catpusher at aol.com  Tue Jan 30 18:34:06 2024
From: catpusher at aol.com (catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 01:34:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR2-4aA rear crank seal
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I found out the hard way that both the TR2/3 and TR 4/A factory work shop manuals have the wrong OD for the centralizing tool inside the working seal threaded diameter.? ?the correct size is 2.818 inches.?Before I was given a tool? made to the WSM dimensions, ( disaster), a great friend cut the flange and front part from a broken crank, which I used with used bearings and thread, and feeler gauges.? Check the seal with the correct?tool before installing on the block.Hardy Prentice and a 1956 TR3? (not A )
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 31 11:13:04 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 13:13:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
Message-ID: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable
shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same
with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my '69 TR6 racecar.  I am more
familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

 

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster
is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni's every time I need to
adjust the suspension.

 

Using the "while I am in there" approach, I will be replacing all the
front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot
find Delrin products for TR6.

 

Thanks,

 

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 31 11:40:25 2024
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:40:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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 Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Quick question (maybe?).? ?I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).? Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.? I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.? 

 ?

Any preference?? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 ?

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.? Have purchased Nylatron bushings.? Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 ?

Thanks,

 ?

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From marksnay at aol.com  Wed Jan 31 13:12:56 2024
From: marksnay at aol.com (mark)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
 <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <163680383.2838108.1706731976697@mail.yahoo.com>

Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is low friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delrin bushing set up in one of my cars,?a Delrin sleeve is fit between the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt?OD, the supplier recommended use of grease between the surfaces.
Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.
I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as I've not enough experience with either.
Best Regards,
Mark Snay?? 

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Quick question (maybe?).? ?I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).? Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.? I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.? 

 ?

Any preference?? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 ?

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.? Have purchased Nylatron bushings.? Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 ?

Thanks,

 ?

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 31 13:29:56 2024
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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Message-ID: <1584275646.3658957.1706732996945@mail.yahoo.com>

 Full disclosure - I use Nylatron for all my bushings except the upper control arms are heims joints (and adjustable). The upper a-arm bushings really get beat and the metal is "just better".
I'm TR6 all the way.
c ya,rml

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 03:13:19 PM EST, mark <marksnay at aol.com> wrote:  
 
 Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is low friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delrin bushing set up in one of my cars,?a Delrin sleeve is fit between the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt?OD, the supplier recommended use of grease between the surfaces.
Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.
I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as I've not enough experience with either.
Best Regards,
Mark Snay?? 

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Quick question (maybe?).? ?I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).? Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.? I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.? 

 ?

Any preference?? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 ?

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.? Have purchased Nylatron bushings.? Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 ?

Thanks,

 ?

Mark Cook
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 31 13:47:09 2024
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:47:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
References: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
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I've used the GAZ shocks for my TR6 on the front and have been very happy
with them, and they're adjustable with out removing

https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/shock-absorber-set-front-gaz-tr4a-tr6/

On the rear, because of the rules of my racing organization, we weren't
allowed  to change the style of the shocks, so I sent mine to WorldWide Auto
parts 

https://www.nosimport.com/Lever-shocks-remanufactured 

and had them add the adjustable valve to them.  If I remember correctly,
you'll have to call them for information, they don't list it on the website.

Also check that your axels don't bottom out, I had one bottom out on me
(broken rear bump stop) and it broke the u-joint and sent the axel twirling
around underneath and took out my fuel line.

Charly Mitchel 

TR6 #44 (now for sale)

 

https://www.classic-racing.fr/annonce/triumph-tr6-preparee-circuit/?utm_sour
ce=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Classic+Racing+Newsletters

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark Cook via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 10:13 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

 

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable
shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same
with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my '69 TR6 racecar.  I am more
familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

 

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster
is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni's every time I need to
adjust the suspension.

 

Using the "while I am in there" approach, I will be replacing all the
front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot
find Delrin products for TR6.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Cook

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From tony.sheach at live.co.uk  Wed Jan 31 13:56:38 2024
From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:56:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <163680383.2838108.1706731976697@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
 <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
 <163680383.2838108.1706731976697@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DU0P190MB1828B5672EB8DE9725E55FAEC87C2@DU0P190MB1828.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

If anyone is interested, I have a pair of adjustable DAS10?s with TR5 /6 arms on eBay uk right now. Rebuilt by Derek Stevson so ready to fit.

Message me and we can agree a discounted price as I won?t use them.

Regards

Tony
Sent from my iPad

On 31 Jan 2024, at 20:50, mark via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is low friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delrin bushing set up in one of my cars, a Delrin sleeve is fit between the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt OD, the supplier recommended use of grease between the surfaces.

Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.

I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as I've not enough experience with either.

Best Regards,

Mark Snay



On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi,

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,
Bob Lang

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.



Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.



Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.



Thanks,



Mark Cook

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 31 14:38:59 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:38:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
 <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01da548d$e6d76a50$b4863ef0$@mindspring.com>

Bob and Charly,

 

Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.

 

Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.   

 

Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.

 

Thanks you,

 

Mark

 

From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

 

Hi,

 

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

 

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.

 

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.

 

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

 

Regards,

Bob Lang

 

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 

 

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

 

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Cook

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed Jan 31 14:43:15 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:43:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ditto on the adjustable Armstrong?s.  The work great on our TR3B??.


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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Lang via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

Hi,

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,
Bob Lang

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:



Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.



Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.



Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.



Thanks,



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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 31 17:56:30 2024
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:56:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
Message-ID: <57509.1706748990@mitchelplumbing.com>

These are the real deal, not like the ones from WorldWide Auto Parts.  WWAP shocks have an external line with a needle valve on it to adjust the flow between chambers. 
eBay item number:296190566346
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44 (for sale)
https://racecarlocators.com/cars-for-sale/ols/products/1969-triumph-tr6---history-one-of-the-finest

On Wed 31/01/24 12:56 PM , Tony Sheach via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> If anyone is interested, I have a pair of adjustable DAS10?s
> with TR5 /6 arms on eBay uk right now. Rebuilt by Derek Stevson so
> ready to fit. 
> Message me and we can agree a discounted price as I won?t use
> them. 
> Regards 
> Tony 
> Sent from my iPad 
> On 31 Jan 2024, at 20:50, mark via Fot  wrote:
> ?    Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer
> resin which is low friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it.
> I have a Aluminum/Delrin bushing set up in one of my cars, a Delrin
> sleeve is fit between the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt OD, the
> supplier recommended use of grease between the surfaces.  
> Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade
> name for Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into
> the resin when extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use
> without lubrication.  
> I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as
> I've not enough experience with either. 
> Best Regards,  
> Mark Snay         
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robert Lang
> via Fot  wrote:  
> Hi, 
> Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the
> gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they
> can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a
> session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
> For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or
> tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have
> seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and
> you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on
> this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND
> secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural
> failure over time. 
> So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get
> nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as
> adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will
> work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I
> do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've
> run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With
> a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on
> it, Makes the car handle completely differently. 
> Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as
> Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
> Regards, Bob Lang
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via
> Fot  wrote:  
> Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front
> adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are
> the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6
> racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.   
> Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external
> adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every
> time I need to adjust the suspension. 
> Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all
> the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.
> Cannot find Delrin products for TR6. 
> Thanks, 
> Mark Cook    _______________________________________________
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 18:51:37 2024
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 15:51:37 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
In-Reply-To: <001d01da548d$e6d76a50$b4863ef0$@mindspring.com>
References: <007201da5471$23632a30$6a297e90$@mindspring.com>
 <2000541108.3601348.1706726425616@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001d01da548d$e6d76a50$b4863ef0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <CFE7DE41-CA77-47A2-A875-E20F2FD571EB@ponostyle.com>

You guys just don?t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your roll cage is ?braced? by extending from near the top of the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to mount a shock that doesn?t depend on a spindly frame. Also makes said spindly frame a lot less spindly.

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill at ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob and Charly,
>  
> Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.
>  
> Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.   
>  
> Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.
>  
> Thanks you,
>  
> Mark
>  
> From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com <mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com>] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>; Mark Cook
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
>  
> For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
>  
> So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com <http://nosimport.com/> (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
>  
> Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
>  
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
>  
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote: 
>  
>  
> Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  
> 
>  
> 
> Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.
> 
>  
> 
> Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Cook
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jan 31 20:09:30 2024
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:09:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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Attached is a photo of the adjustable Armstrong shock on my TR3.

> On 01/31/2024 1:38 PM PST Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Bob and Charly,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.
> 
>  
> 
> Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.   
> 
>  
> 
> Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks you,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
> 
>  
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
> 
>  
> 
> For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
> 
>  
> 
> So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
> 
>  
> 
> Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Lang
> 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS. 
> 
>  
> 
> Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.
> 
>  
> 
> Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Cook
> 
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 31 21:31:43 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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Dave,Thanks for the pic.MarkSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> Date: 1/31/24  10:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Robert Lang <robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar  
   Attached is a photo of the adjustable Armstrong shock on my TR3. 
   
   
   
     On 01/31/2024 1:38 PM PST Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
    
   
     ? 
    
   
     ? 
    
    
    Bob and Charly, 
    ? 
    Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.? Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.? So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear. 
    ? 
    Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.? ? 
    ? 
    Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.? Will not be driving, but will be up to watch. 
    ? 
    Thanks you, 
    ? 
    Mark 
    ? 
     
      
      From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PMTo: fot at autox.team.net; Mark CookSubject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar 
      
     
    ? 
     
      
      Hi, 
      
      
      ? 
      
      
      Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus. 
      
      
      ? 
      
      
      For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time. 
      
      
      ? 
      
      
      So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently. 
      
      
      ? 
      
      
      Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings. 
      
      
      ? 
      
      
      Regards, 
      
      
      Bob Lang 
      
      
      ? 
      
     
     
      
       
       On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
       
       
       ? 
       
       
       ? 
       
       
        
         
          
          Quick question (maybe?).? ?I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).? Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.? I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.?  
          ? 
          Any preference?? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension. 
          ? 
          Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.? Have purchased Nylatron bushings.? Cannot find Delrin products for TR6. 
          ? 
          Thanks, 
          ? 
          Mark Cook 
          
         
        
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