[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Tue Feb 20 20:04:40 MST 2024

SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).  With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021.  For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.

Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.  Cheap insurance.

Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.  I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.  My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. 

Ever since Mark Petronis’ accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.  SVRA was a little slow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc

Mark Cook

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
To: Brad Eells
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.  So $640 and the new bottle is on order.  They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.  All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.  Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.  Just FYI.

It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).  It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.  I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.

I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.

Ken

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.

That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.

Brad Eells

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On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don’t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

Ken

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Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

Regards,

Phil Gott

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