From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  1 01:14:44 2024
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:14:44 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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My TR4 has on front red Konis for about 34 years in use and still doing great.

On the backend standard Amstrong levers with thick oil.

 

The IMSA TR8 has some yellow Konis in front and dual adjustable SPAX at the rear end. 

 

I can recommend Koni and Spax as suitable. But fore sure Bilstein would be great either.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 06:33:06 2024
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:33:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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 ?Hi,
Hopefully not to beat a dead horse...
The "trick" with the TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the TR6 trailing arm is further outboard than the pickup for the solid axle cars. In short, that's the real "challenge" for IRS Triumphs. Also, the stock shock location is transverse to the frame rail... last, the trailing arm motion is an arc up and down AND side to side. Hence both ends of the shock mount should be heims joints or otherwise be able to articulate in two planes of motion.

The Gp 44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount for a beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the heck out of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup from the standpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints on both ends of the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, presumably as required by the rules).

As much fun as it can be to squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to squeeze it the other way and be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, that's what a lot of folks did back in the old days with things like Armstrong 22's, etc. The look on some folks' faces when you tell them you have a stock suspension setup is "priceless".

I'll add one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Goodparts sells a trailing arm shock link that is super strong and works very well in conjunction with the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this because the available shock links from the usual sources use an elastomer that breaks down fairly quickly and that translates to having to replace them every 4 to 6 events, at least that was my experience. I;ve had the Gooparts link on the car for 7+ years and no issues at all.
Summary:Trialing arm motion is a 2 dimensional arcProper bump stops are absolutely criticalStock shock location is very good using the uprated stock-style shockStock shock links suck, upgrade to Goodparts of fabricate your ownMATCH YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS? <- SUPER IMPORTANT
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Ponostyle <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 You guys just don?t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your roll cage is ?braced? by extending from near the top of the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to mount a shock that doesn?t depend on a spindly frame. Also makes said spindly frame a lot less spindly.
Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill at ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com


On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Bob and Charly, ?Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.? Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.? So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear. ?Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.? ? ?Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.? Will not be driving, but will be up to watch. ?Thanks you, ?Mark ?From:?Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com]?
Sent:?Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To:?fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject:?Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar ?Hi, ?Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus. ?For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time. ?So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get?nosimport.com?(worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently. ?Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings. ?Regards,Bob Lang ?On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:? ? ?
Quick question (maybe?).? ?I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).? Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.? I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.??

?

Any preference?? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

?

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.? Have purchased Nylatron bushings.? Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

?

Thanks,

?

Mark Cook

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 07:11:18 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 08:11:18 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar. FOR SALE ONE OF EACH.
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Thu Feb  1 10:19:14 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:19:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
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Bob,

 

Thanks again, as always for a great summary.  I am a traditionalist at heart, so something close to stock ?performance? in that regard would be fun.  My golf clubs are blades (not game improvement) and would probably still play a balata ball if they made it so I could work the ball.

 

My roll cage is in need of replacement, another project??..

 

Regards,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 8:33 AM
To: Mark Cook
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

 

 Hi,

 

Hopefully not to beat a dead horse...

 

The "trick" with the TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the TR6 trailing arm is further outboard than the pickup for the solid axle cars. In short, that's the real "challenge" for IRS Triumphs. Also, the stock shock location is transverse to the frame rail... last, the trailing arm motion is an arc up and down AND side to side. Hence both ends of the shock mount should be heims joints or otherwise be able to articulate in two planes of motion.

 

The Gp 44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount for a beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the heck out of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup from the standpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints on both ends of the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, presumably as required by the rules).

 

As much fun as it can be to squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to squeeze it the other way and be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, that's what a lot of folks did back in the old days with things like Armstrong 22's, etc. The look on some folks' faces when you tell them you have a stock suspension setup is "priceless".

 

I'll add one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Goodparts sells a trailing arm shock link that is super strong and works very well in conjunction with the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this because the available shock links from the usual sources use an elastomer that breaks down fairly quickly and that translates to having to replace them every 4 to 6 events, at least that was my experience. I;ve had the Gooparts link on the car for 7+ years and no issues at all.

 

Summary:

Trialing arm motion is a 2 dimensional arc

Proper bump stops are absolutely critical

Stock shock location is very good using the uprated stock-style shock

Stock shock links suck, upgrade to Goodparts of fabricate your own

MATCH YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS  <- SUPER IMPORTANT

 

Regards,

Bob Lang

 

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Ponostyle <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote: 

 

 

You guys just don?t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your roll cage is ?braced? by extending from near the top of the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to mount a shock that doesn?t depend on a spindly frame. Also makes said spindly frame a lot less spindly.

 

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill at ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com





On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

Bob and Charly,

 

Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.

 

Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.   

 

Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.

 

Thanks you,

 

Mark

 

From: Robert Lang [ <mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com> mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To:  <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

 

Hi,

 

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

 

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.

 

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get  <http://nosimport.com/> nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.

 

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

 

Regards,

Bob Lang

 

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot < <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 

 

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

 

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Cook

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Thu Feb  1 13:34:02 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar. FOR SALE ONE OF EACH.
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Joe,

 

How about $100 with free shipping for the Koni?  

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

From: Joe Alexander [mailto:joealexandervintage at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:11 AM
To: Mark Cook; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar. FOR SALE ONE OF EACH.

 

We have one each of Spax & Komi available on the shelf.

 

Make an offer.  Brand new.

 

image0.jpeg

 

 

Joe Alexander

4505 Donald Dr

Cedar Falls, IA 50613

ARE  LLC

Gasketinnovations.com

Email: N197tr4 at cs.com

Cell:  319.464.4711

 





On Jan 31, 2024, at 8:02?PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Bob and Charly,

 

Thanks ? It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and Charly?s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.

 

Appreciate both your and Mark S?s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.   

 

Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.

 

Thanks you,

 

Mark

 

From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

 

Hi,

 

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

 

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.

 

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.

 

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

 

Regards,

Bob Lang

 

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 

 

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my ?69 TR6 racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

 

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni?s every time I need to adjust the suspension.

 

Using the ?while I am in there? approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Cook

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Feb  1 16:44:02 2024
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:44:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
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Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.? He recently 
acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking 
to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire 
with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting 
history.? He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around 
our sport for quite a while.? He's been building cars for a long time 
and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.

I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do 
him proper justice from memory.

He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.

Regards, Tony Drews



From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 18:00:10 2024
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 20:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
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Always good to have a few triumphs to liberate parts from.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 7:33?PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.  He recently
> acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking
> to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire
> with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting
> history.  He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around
> our sport for quite a while.  He's been building cars for a long time
> and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.
>
> I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do
> him proper justice from memory.
>
> He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest
> folks.
>
> Regards, Tony Drews
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  1 18:20:39 2024
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 01:20:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
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 Mark will need to add another foot to the roll bar!Gary Schneider

    On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 06:11:24 PM CST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.? He recently 
acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking 
to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire 
with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting 
history.? He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around 
our sport for quite a while.? He's been building cars for a long time 
and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.

I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do 
him proper justice from memory.

He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.

Regards, Tony Drews


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From emanteno at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 19:47:53 2024
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 20:47:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
References: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
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When you guys meet Mark, you will know immediately why we call him Silo.

Irv Korey

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 6:45?PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.  He recently
> acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking
> to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire
> with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting
> history.  He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around
> our sport for quite a while.  He's been building cars for a long time
> and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.
>
> I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do
> him proper justice from memory.
>
> He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest
> folks.
>
> Regards, Tony Drews
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Feb  1 20:23:57 2024
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 03:23:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <772157821.4247255.1706836839583@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
 <772157821.4247255.1706836839583@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR15MB4552555E010324EB66B91256E1422@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

How's the TR7, Silo?

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 7:20:39 PM
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>; Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; mark at efishers.com <mark at efishers.com>; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher

Mark will need to add another foot to the roll bar!
Gary Schneider

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 06:11:24 PM CST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.  He recently
acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking
to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire
with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting
history.  He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around
our sport for quite a while.  He's been building cars for a long time
and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.

I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do
him proper justice from memory.

He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.

Regards, Tony Drews


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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Feb  1 20:24:43 2024
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 03:24:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR15MB4552555E010324EB66B91256E1422@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
 <772157821.4247255.1706836839583@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SJ0PR15MB4552555E010324EB66B91256E1422@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Any chance that's Glade's old Spit 6 racer?

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:23:57 PM
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>; Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>; Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; mark at efishers.com <mark at efishers.com>; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher

How's the TR7, Silo?

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 7:20:39 PM
To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>; Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; mark at efishers.com <mark at efishers.com>; Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher

Mark will need to add another foot to the roll bar!
Gary Schneider

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 06:11:24 PM CST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.  He recently
acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking
to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire
with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting
history.  He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around
our sport for quite a while.  He's been building cars for a long time
and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.

I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do
him proper justice from memory.

He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.

Regards, Tony Drews


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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Feb  1 21:14:28 2024
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:14:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
References: <a4532d57-6be0-41b4-a67f-3da329141a47@tonydrews.com>
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Okay, I added another Mark to the list.  Welcome aboard!

mjb.


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Thu Feb  1 21:27:16 2024
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 22:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <CAFWFMyg1WJu5eL-6Ew52cSe55jR-8X0Kb7wLcP9vcHgYP7h2qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.11.1706848051.23353.fot@autox.team.net>

Mark came over to my place the other day and had to duck to get under the garage door.? We went to lunch in my Silverado and his knees were in the dash!Great guy plus an engine and fuel injection expert!!!Steve Yott
-------- Original message --------From: Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 2/1/24  10:03 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> Cc: mark at efishers.com, Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher When you guys meet Mark, you will know immediately why we call him Silo.Irv KoreyOn Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 6:45?PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.? He recently 
acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking 
to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire 
with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting 
history.? He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around 
our sport for quite a while.? He's been building cars for a long time 
and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.

I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do 
him proper justice from memory.

He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.

Regards, Tony Drews


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From mark at efishers.com  Fri Feb  2 11:48:53 2024
From: mark at efishers.com (Mark Fisher)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 18:48:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New FOT Member
References: <1758650742.4535117.1706899733191.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1758650742.4535117.1706899733191@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Everybody!
Not sure if this hit the full list, so I am resending it.

Thank you for the welcome.? As you have heard, I am a really tall guy who likes little British cars. Lorrie-Ann and I have raced in a variety of cars/series over the years. We got our Midwestern Council licenses back in '93 in preparation for running a 1954 Lincoln Capri in La Carrera Panamericana.? Then we got married.? She has owned a GT6 throughout.
We have campaigned a TR7 in LeMons and Champcar for 12 seasons with the James Bondo team. In parallel, we have become a bit of a Triumph foster and rescue center.? Since the start of Covid, we have brought 3 TR6s back from the edge of the abyss, and purchased Gale? Snodgrass' Spitfire collection.
The goal is to have some fun racing with friends, put a few people through drivers school, and get these cars back on the track.? I may have a few questions between here and there, but there isn't much point in being stupid if you aren't willing to show it off in public.
See you in the Paddock,
Mark "Silo" Fisher
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 12:08:31 2024
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member of FOT - Mark Fisher
In-Reply-To: <CAFWFMyg1WJu5eL-6Ew52cSe55jR-8X0Kb7wLcP9vcHgYP7h2qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFWFMyg1WJu5eL-6Ew52cSe55jR-8X0Kb7wLcP9vcHgYP7h2qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <979CFB53-E2AC-450D-A3DE-B6C73E80C732@gmail.com>

Plus one for Mark. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When you guys meet Mark, you will know immediately why we call him Silo.
> 
> Irv Korey
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 6:45?PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Please add Mark Fisher - aka "Silo" to the FOT list.  He recently 
>> acquired a couple of Midwest Council Triumph Spitfires, and is looking 
>> to get one of them on the track this spring / summer. It's a Spitfire 
>> with what appears to be a GT-6 drivetrain, so it's had an interesting 
>> history.  He's also a long time Triumph guy and has been lurking around 
>> our sport for quite a while.  He's been building cars for a long time 
>> and has done some racing in other non-vintage series.
>> 
>> I'll let him give a better introduction / racing history - I won't do 
>> him proper justice from memory.
>> 
>> He's in the Chicago area so would be running in VSCDA with us Midwest folks.
>> 
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>> 
>> 
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 09:19:26 2024
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 11:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Parts Bin Questions
Message-ID: <CAELLCgcU1gzRtO0O95gpwx9Gv6HLESJo1aSoJMmaJy8U595yAg@mail.gmail.com>

I have some parts in my bin that I acquired when I bought a Spitfire and I
am seeking information on them.

I have two sets of steering arms (pictured).  One set is aluminum and the
other set is drilled for heim joints.  I would like to know your opinions
on using them, good or bad, and if you have images of them installed that
would be a huge help.

Right now I just have the stock setup for the steering rack so I am
interested in what the advantages would be for using the parts shown.

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Also, repeat the same questions for the items shown below.

[image: 20240203_110258.jpg]

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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 14:27:09 2024
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 OEM Seats
Message-ID: <30E109DE-35BA-4E48-9970-DA33CD072E50@gmail.com>

Just picked up this 1962 FIA TR4 Rally Car (3xs 1st in class at Carerra Panamerica & Chihuahua Express).  Before that it was a race car in UK.  All aluminum body and prepared to Factory Works specifications.  This TR4 was sold new in Coventry in 1962 and apparently used in Motorsports events from new.

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Looking for a decent set of black TR4 seats to use for wine & cheese rallies and other events, when not using car at track or in a rally.  It has a very nice set of carbon Tillett seats for competition. 

Please let me know if someone has a set of TR4 seats they are willing to part with!

Thanks, Terry 

From solarant at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 15:23:00 2024
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:23:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Parts Bin Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAELLCgcU1gzRtO0O95gpwx9Gv6HLESJo1aSoJMmaJy8U595yAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAELLCgcU1gzRtO0O95gpwx9Gv6HLESJo1aSoJMmaJy8U595yAg@mail.gmail.com>
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You haven't lived, without these parts installed!
Once on, you will go tenths of MPH faster

You will feel like a new person! ?

Both steering arms just let you adjust the height of your outer tie rod end so that you can play with bump steer.
Their mounting will be obvious once you look at early Spit or GT6 uprights.
They have a cute little window in the upright that is opposite the lower bolts for the caliper mount.

The spring retainers are just that.
Top ones allow you to mount the typical damper without the rubber bushings.
"Better" no-spring damping and no off-axis torque on the damper rod.

Bottom ones are just retainers for dampers with eye-style mounts.
Part #9 in the attached.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0628/6894/7180/files/PS-7500COSA-BOM-DRAWING_9c89651d-607d-42b4-bd9b-e1446b40b337.pdf?v=1648886450


If you are not doing very serious racing or auto-x, then I would not bother.




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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 11:19 AM
To: Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Parts Bin Questions

I have some parts in my bin that I acquired when I bought a Spitfire and I am seeking information on them.

I have two sets of steering arms (pictured).  One set is aluminum and the other set is drilled for heim joints.  I would like to know your opinions on using them, good or bad, and if you have images of them installed that would be a huge help.

Right now I just have the stock setup for the steering rack so I am interested in what the advantages would be for using the parts shown.

[20240203_110002.jpg]

Also, repeat the same questions for the items shown below.

[20240203_110258.jpg]

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From solarant at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 16:03:49 2024
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:03:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 OEM Seats
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References: <30E109DE-35BA-4E48-9970-DA33CD072E50@gmail.com>
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That is one awesome and amazing machine!
Such great history.

Enjoy the drive.




________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 4:27 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 OEM Seats

Just picked up this 1962 FIA TR4 Rally Car (3xs 1st in class at Carerra Panamerica & Chihuahua Express).  Before that it was a race car in UK.  All aluminum body and prepared to Factory Works specifications.  This TR4 was sold new in Coventry in 1962 and apparently used in Motorsports events from new.

[cid:89d6af3b-ed31-449b-ad66-32ebbdda8145 at namprd19.prod.outlook.com]


Looking for a decent set of black TR4 seats to use for wine & cheese rallies and other events, when not using car at track or in a rally.  It has a very nice set of carbon Tillett seats for competition.

Please let me know if someone has a set of TR4 seats they are willing to part with!

Thanks, Terry
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Feb  4 10:55:05 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 11:55:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member
Message-ID: <98970991-65DE-4CC3-AA33-C168554346CD@icloud.com>

Please add (re add) Robert @ Mackenzie.aero

Robert has been racing with us down in TX since the late 2000s. He has been in a Spitfire mostly but has also done time behind the wheel and under the hood of our TR6 endurance car. 

I was over at Robert?s place this morning and it seems he dropped off the list a few years back. He expressed an interest in getting back into our unofficial group. 

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Sun Feb  4 15:29:20 2024
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 22:29:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Parts wtd :
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB63472CDB39E27C32FCDCE93FAB402@IA1PR19MB6347.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Looking for a pair of ? usable ? 60 spoke wire rims and the conical shift lever spring :-)

Thank you
Tony Garmey 
Sent from my iPhone

From fintouch at ptd.net  Tue Feb  6 12:55:06 2024
From: fintouch at ptd.net (finishing Touch)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 14:55:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racing Tire Question
Message-ID: <26894348-b505-48d0-9405-c72cf43849ae@ptd.net>

I have two questions:

1.Has anyone raced both the Hoosier Speedsters and the Toyo Proxie 
R888Rs.? I'm curious what the comparisons would be in regards to dry 
traction and longevity. I just did some pricing and the difference 
between the two are almost $400 a set (four).

2. I Would also appreciate any suggestions on an after-market (smaller) 
alternator for a TR6 Motor.

Thanks in advance,
Mike Kurtz

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Feb  6 13:23:51 2024
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 14:23:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racing Tire Question
In-Reply-To: <26894348-b505-48d0-9405-c72cf43849ae@ptd.net>
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Mike, this is on a TR-4, but I've switched from the Speedsters to the 
R888R's and am very happy with the switch.? I get much longer tire life 
(primary factor in the switch), they don't get greasy halfway through a 
session like the Speedsters do (or at least they did for me), traction 
and handling characteristics are very similar, forgiving breakaway, and 
MUCH better in the wet than Speedsters.? I had to go plus 1 on the wheel 
diameter to keep the tire diameter the same since they don't make the 
R888R in 60 series.? I run 205/55-16's, but have run the 205/50 15's in 
the past and they are fine too.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/6/2024 1:55 PM, finishing Touch via Fot wrote:
> I have two questions:
>
> 1.Has anyone raced both the Hoosier Speedsters and the Toyo Proxie 
> R888Rs.? I'm curious what the comparisons would be in regards to dry 
> traction and longevity. I just did some pricing and the difference 
> between the two are almost $400 a set (four).
>
> 2. I Would also appreciate any suggestions on an after-market 
> (smaller) alternator for a TR6 Motor.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike Kurtz
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 13:58:50 2024
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 15:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racing Tire Question
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I like the proxies better than the Speedsters, they last longer and don't
fall off halfway through a race.  just my opinion. and the price is
better.  I use a Kubota compact alternator they are rated for 12000 rpm,
but I still made a larger pulley to slow it down a bit
never had an issue with the charging.
Mike TR4

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 3:12?PM finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I have two questions:
>
> 1.Has anyone raced both the Hoosier Speedsters and the Toyo Proxie
> R888Rs.  I'm curious what the comparisons would be in regards to dry
> traction and longevity. I just did some pricing and the difference
> between the two are almost $400 a set (four).
>
> 2. I Would also appreciate any suggestions on an after-market (smaller)
> alternator for a TR6 Motor.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike Kurtz
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Feb  6 14:46:13 2024
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 16:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racing Tire Question
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References: <26894348-b505-48d0-9405-c72cf43849ae@ptd.net>
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Interesting to read Tony?s comments, because my experience is generally the opposite.  Guess that?s why there are choices in the market.
I ran the toyo R88Rs for years on my GT6 - 205/60-13s - and decided to try the Speedsters when they started making them in 13s several years ago.  I find they are much more consistent - they don?t get greasy halfway through a session in warmer weather which the Toyos did for me.  For the Toyos, about 15-20 minutes into a session, going ?off" was a consistent issue.  I find the breakaway is more consistent too. My lap times are a hair better, 0.5 to maybe 1.0 seconds - with the Hoosiers.  

That said, I?m running 13" wheels in an 1850 lb car and you are running 15?s on a car that is probably not much heavier, so your tires may have an easier job of it.  As you know, I work the GT6 pretty hard.  For me, the consistency throughout the race is worth it, but Tony is right - they certainly wear out more quickly.  I figure the Speedsters give me about a season (5 weekends), and then they become the second set on my spare wheels for practice sessions, etc.  I used to get the Toyos shaved and even then it was tough to wear out the rubber, but at a certain point they had just been through too many heat cycles to be usable anymore.  The Speedsters have a softer compound, no question.

In the 13s, the price diff is about $70/tire.  Only one way to find out - get a set and give them a try!

Alternator - not sure how easily they adapt to the TR6 mounting, but I run a 55 amp Denso alternator that I think was originally spec?d for an Isuzu - pretty common.  Pep Boys under $100.  Can be wired as a one wire set up, plus the output cable.  I was able to use the block mounted bracket with a long bolt to hang the alternator out front (single shear mount) and a lower strut supporting the adjustable bracket from further down on the block.  I run cogged belts so there?s not the tension issue.  I?ll dig the spare out and find the number, but it?s definitely not quite a bolt in swap.

Scott

On Feb 6, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Mike, this is on a TR-4, but I've switched from the Speedsters to the R888R's and am very happy with the switch.  I get much longer tire life (primary factor in the switch), they don't get greasy halfway through a session like the Speedsters do (or at least they did for me), traction and handling characteristics are very similar, forgiving breakaway, and MUCH better in the wet than Speedsters.  I had to go plus 1 on the wheel diameter to keep the tire diameter the same since they don't make the R888R in 60 series.  I run 205/55-16's, but have run the 205/50 15's in the past and they are fine too.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/6/2024 1:55 PM, finishing Touch via Fot wrote:
> I have two questions:
> 
> 1.Has anyone raced both the Hoosier Speedsters and the Toyo Proxie R888Rs.  I'm curious what the comparisons would be in regards to dry traction and longevity. I just did some pricing and the difference between the two are almost $400 a set (four).
> 
> 2. I Would also appreciate any suggestions on an after-market (smaller) alternator for a TR6 Motor.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike Kurtz
> _______________________________________________
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Tue Feb  6 15:57:20 2024
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:57:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Racing Tire Question
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Same for me?the grip is about the same, but Hoosiers give no warning when they loose grip while the Toyo?s do. And Hoosiers begin to fade after one three day event and are done after three.  I have two events on the  Toyo?s and they feel just like they were new.  I have not tried them in rain yet, but happy to hear from Tony that Toyo?s are better, the Hoosiers certainly are not.   I did notice the Toyo?s talk to you almost like a street tire when they are at the limit..so you got not only the seat of your pants feel, but screaming to tell you ?that?s all folks?.   
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 4:11?PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, this is on a TR-4, but I've switched from the Speedsters to the R888R's and am very happy with the switch.  I get much longer tire life (primary factor in the switch), they don't get greasy halfway through a session like the Speedsters do (or at least they did for me), traction and handling characteristics are very similar, forgiving breakaway, and MUCH better in the wet than Speedsters.  I had to go plus 1 on the wheel diameter to keep the tire diameter the same since they don't make the R888R in 60 series.  I run 205/55-16's, but have run the 205/50 15's in the past and they are fine too.
> 
> Regards, Tony Drews
> 
>> On 2/6/2024 1:55 PM, finishing Touch via Fot wrote:
>> I have two questions:
>> 
>> 1.Has anyone raced both the Hoosier Speedsters and the Toyo Proxie R888Rs.  I'm curious what the comparisons would be in regards to dry traction and longevity. I just did some pricing and the difference between the two are almost $400 a set (four).
>> 
>> 2. I Would also appreciate any suggestions on an after-market (smaller) alternator for a TR6 Motor.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mike Kurtz
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Wed Feb  7 20:07:15 2024
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2024
Message-ID: <004f01da5a3b$eb86c7e0$c29457a0$@hot-tr6.com>

I registered for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma today. Very excited to see
my Triumph homies again. 2023 was a downer with a sever injury in early
February followed by 8 major surgeries but they saved my right foot and I'm
anxious to put it back to use. I'll be departing Albuquerque on the 15th of
April in my Ford Excursion and trailer is case anybody needs a ride between
here and there. 

Walter Hollowell

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Thu Feb  8 12:55:05 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2024 14:55:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2024
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Walter,We do not know each other (have watched a few of your videos).Glad you have recovered and back in action.Mark CookSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 2/7/24  11:02 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2024 I registered for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma today. Very excited to see my Triumph homies again. 2023 was a downer with a sever injury in early February followed by 8 major surgeries but they saved my right foot and I?m anxious to put it back to use. I?ll be departing Albuquerque on the 15th of April in my Ford Excursion and trailer is case anybody needs a ride between here and there. Walter Hollowell
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 07:00:25 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 08:00:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT at Amelia Island?
Message-ID: <97BE141F-5D34-4F33-8B07-B383220688E0@gmail.com>

Anyone else going? I will be there with car exhibitor Tom Chandler.

Regards,
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From terrysopher at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 09:45:35 2024
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT at Amelia Island?
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Joe & FOT,

Cathy & I live about 35-40 minutes from Amelia & we go every year!  We are meeting some folks from Delaware Valley Triumph Club who are coming down.  We are working on a venue for dinner & pints for Friday evening.

Let us know who is coming, would be great to see fellow FOT members!

Don?t expect to see Triumphs at Cars & Community or at the Concours! The Hagerty guy that runs The Amelia seems to have a bias against Triumphs, no matter how nice!  They did let in some MGs last year including one with visible bubbling rust.

BTW - I was at Bill Warner?s place Wednesday and spent some time with Bill and his Grp 44 TR8.  Was a treat to sit in the car!  400hp and same wheelbase & tire sizes as Porsche 935 & according to Bill the TR8 was always able to beat the 935s!

Best, Terry & Cathy Sopher

> On Feb 9, 2024, at 09:47, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?Anyone else going? I will be there with car exhibitor Tom Chandler.
> 
> Regards,
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> ARE  LLC
> Gasketinnovations.com
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 09:59:52 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:59:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT at Amelia Island?
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Terry,

I am traveling with Tom Chandler and his entourage, as I did for Pebble Beach.

We will arrive Friday and leave Monday.  Certainly, there will be time to get together.

Tom has a house rented, but there is no firm schedule yet.

I am excited about being there?.to break up the Iowa Winter.

Tom Chandler will be display his Glaspar Special. At Pebble Beach it was the Maverick.

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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Feb 9, 2024, at 10:45?AM, Terry Sopher <terrysopher at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Joe & FOT,
> 
> Cathy & I live about 35-40 minutes from Amelia & we go every year!  We are meeting some folks from Delaware Valley Triumph Club who are coming down.  We are working on a venue for dinner & pints for Friday evening.
> 
> Let us know who is coming, would be great to see fellow FOT members!
> 
> Don?t expect to see Triumphs at Cars & Community or at the Concours! The Hagerty guy that runs The Amelia seems to have a bias against Triumphs, no matter how nice!  They did let in some MGs last year including one with visible bubbling rust.
> 
> BTW - I was at Bill Warner?s place Wednesday and spent some time with Bill and his Grp 44 TR8.  Was a treat to sit in the car!  400hp and same wheelbase & tire sizes as Porsche 935 & according to Bill the TR8 was always able to beat the 935s!
> 
> Best, Terry & Cathy Sopher
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 09:47, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?Anyone else going? I will be there with car exhibitor Tom Chandler.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> ARE  LLC
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
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From mini at wi.rr.com  Tue Feb 13 15:16:38 2024
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:16:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft
Message-ID: <412C2ECE-E3FC-4C5C-AA3A-E48998409646@wi.rr.com>

Looking for a GT6 crank.  Preferably somewhere around southeastern Wisconsin. 
Thanks

Richard Gehweiler 

From quikrx at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 14 08:04:51 2024
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft
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 Rich,
what year or engine, they are not all the same / if MkII/MkIII I should have one / just acoss the border in IL / here's my number 847 840 7366 9am - 8pm
Ralph
    On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 04:40:37 PM CST, Richard via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Looking for a GT6 crank.? Preferably somewhere around southeastern Wisconsin. 
Thanks

Richard Gehweiler 
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed Feb 14 14:17:52 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 16:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Pedal Set? - Wilwood / Tlton for racing
Message-ID: <00a501da5f8b$450b6b00$cf224100$@mindspring.com>

Has anyone replaced the stock pedal box, including gas pedal, with a Wilwood or Tilton set?  Would live to see pics as well as what 

 

Existing clutch/brake pedal are not stock and has a balance bar.  Stock gas pedal is loose and no spring ? has been modified to pull the throttle cable from inside the footwell (rather than outside the firewall).  Was thinking rather than just replace the bushings/spring, ?while there?, might go toward a more robust pedal set.

 

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 14 16:19:27 2024
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 23:19:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Pedal Set? - Wilwood / Tlton for racing
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Hi Mark,
I had a brief stint with a wilwood clutch pedal in my 4 this year, and quickly learned that the shape of the firewall makes all the angles of the typical standard pedal setups all sorts of messed up. ?I couldn?t get the throw the wilwood pedal was meant for. ?It?s a double whammy with the upper part of the firewall angled one way, and the lower angled the other way, with neither vertical, which is what the generic solutions are designed for. ? I?d point you at the good parts Tilton setup for the TR6 pedal box, if your cage allows? (mine does not, so installing a Racetorations setup for the TR4 pedal box?.)

I hope that helps - I think extensive firewall work would be needed, or legs that are a lot shorter!
Dave Gott


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On Wednesday, February 14, 2024, 5:06 PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

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Has anyone replaced the stock pedal box, including gas pedal, with a Wilwood or Tilton set?? Would live to see pics as well as what 

 ?

Existing clutch/brake pedal are not stock and has a balance bar.? Stock gas pedal is loose and no spring ? has been modified to pull the throttle cable from inside the footwell (rather than outside the firewall).? Was thinking rather than just replace the bushings/spring, ?while there?, might go toward a more robust pedal set.

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Thanks,

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Mark Cook

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From mecook at mindspring.com  Wed Feb 14 16:45:52 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:45:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Pedal Set? - Wilwood / Tlton for racing
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David,

 

Thanks ? good information and helpful.  I have short legs, so that?s a start!

 

Mark Cook

 

From: David Gott [mailto:triumphsix at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 6:19 PM
To: Mark Cook; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Pedal Set? - Wilwood / Tlton for racing

 

Hi Mark,

 

I had a brief stint with a wilwood clutch pedal in my 4 this year, and quickly learned that the shape of the firewall makes all the angles of the typical standard pedal setups all sorts of messed up.  I couldn?t get the throw the wilwood pedal was meant for.  It?s a double whammy with the upper part of the firewall angled one way, and the lower angled the other way, with neither vertical, which is what the generic solutions are designed for.   I?d point you at the good parts Tilton setup for the TR6 pedal box, if your cage allows? (mine does not, so installing a Racetorations setup for the TR4 pedal box?.)

 

 

I hope that helps - I think extensive firewall work would be needed, or legs that are a lot shorter!

 

Dave Gott



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On Wednesday, February 14, 2024, 5:06 PM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Has anyone replaced the stock pedal box, including gas pedal, with a Wilwood or Tilton set?  Would live to see pics as well as what 

 

Existing clutch/brake pedal are not stock and has a balance bar.  Stock gas pedal is loose and no spring ? has been modified to pull the throttle cable from inside the footwell (rather than outside the firewall).  Was thinking rather than just replace the bushings/spring, ?while there?, might go toward a more robust pedal set.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Cook

 

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Feb 16 06:04:37 2024
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:04:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member
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I don?t know if I saw a response to this. Can we add Robert to the list?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2024, at 15:28, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Please add (re add) Robert at Mackenzie.aero
> 
> Robert has been racing with us down in TX since the late 2000s. He has been in a Spitfire mostly but has also done time behind the wheel and under the hood of our TR6 endurance car.
> 
> I was over at Robert?s place this morning and it seems he dropped off the list a few years back. He expressed an interest in getting back into our unofficial group.
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From mini at wi.rr.com  Fri Feb 16 10:03:55 2024
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:03:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <412C2ECE-E3FC-4C5C-AA3A-E48998409646@wi.rr.com>
References: <412C2ECE-E3FC-4C5C-AA3A-E48998409646@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2c785a15-4eee-4a31-8315-b2d24771ab25@wi.rr.com>

Thanks for the replies, Sounds like my son Daniel was able to connect 
with one of you and come up with a suitable candidate.

Thanks again

Richard

On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Richard via Fot wrote:
> Looking for a GT6 crank.  Preferably somewhere around southeastern Wisconsin.
> Thanks
>
> Richard Gehweiler
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 09:48:52 2024
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:48:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Books for sale
Message-ID: <A07C0CF3-6A6E-4C91-A3A5-93B848775866@gmail.com>

Sorry for the self serving ?list bomb.?

The cleanup continues ?. I just listed about 40 various car books on eBay, mostly Triumph related, including a couple I considered ?rare?.  Please consider looking and buying any, just to keep them ?in the family?. 

I am getting excited about attending the Kas Cup this year and am hoping to see a lot of old friends.

Ken Gano

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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 06:42:40 2024
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mystery Or common fault
Message-ID: <CAHAH3R7H6TU9O61mDQF=LmrpVYMR3N70d+hKXC+3m3u57soqxw@mail.gmail.com>

WE tore down the TR4engine yesterday to check the bearing wear and give it
a once over before the new race season starts. Everything looked great till
I removed the front main bearing cap. Is this a common fault? Has anyone
had this before and what would cause the main cap to break?  It's not a
fresh crack so I was racing this way.....time to buy a lotto ticket?
Dragged a spare engine out from the engine shed and will send it to the
machine shop on Monday.
I checked a few other mains and nothing I have lines up close enough to
line hone ...also a Triumph thing?
[image: image.png]
--Cheers!!!
*Mike Deweerd*
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Sun Feb 18 07:14:17 2024
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mystery Or common fault
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Hi Mike,

I had the same issue recently on a street TR6 engine.  It was a tired, but
running engine.

We sorted through a whole box of caps before finding one that was close
enough to be cut/ line honed.  That's been my experience anytime I've had
to replace a cap, there seems to be a ton of variation from block to block.

Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/


On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> WE tore down the TR4engine yesterday to check the bearing wear and give it
> a once over before the new race season starts. Everything looked great till
> I removed the front main bearing cap. Is this a common fault? Has anyone
> had this before and what would cause the main cap to break?  It's not a
> fresh crack so I was racing this way.....time to buy a lotto ticket?
> Dragged a spare engine out from the engine shed and will send it to the
> machine shop on Monday.
> I checked a few other mains and nothing I have lines up close enough to
> line hone ...also a Triumph thing?
> [image: image.png]
> --Cheers!!!
> *Mike Deweerd*
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Feb 18 07:50:17 2024
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:50:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mystery Or common fault
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 08:19:03 2024
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:19:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mystery Or common fault
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I've not had a bearing cap crack but I did have one rear cap that had a
void in the casting. I would never have known had I not drilled the
extra oil relief holes recommended for the split seal. Unfortunately the
back side of the void broke away at some point creating an easy exit for
engine oil into the tranny case.

Bob Kramer


On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 9:05?AM Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> We had a rear main on a wet sleeve engine crack. It was discovered by
> routine magna fluxing at our machine shop.  Bearing looked normal.
> Fortunately we have more caps than engines and found an orphan that fit
> close enough to machine to fit.
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 18, 2024, at 9:34?AM, JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi Mike,
>
> I had the same issue recently on a street TR6 engine.  It was a tired, but
> running engine.
>
> We sorted through a whole box of caps before finding one that was close
> enough to be cut/ line honed.  That's been my experience anytime I've had
> to replace a cap, there seems to be a ton of variation from block to block.
>
> Jason Sukey
> JS Performance Motoring, LLC
> 440.984.7720
> jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
> https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM Michael Deweerd via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> WE tore down the TR4engine yesterday to check the bearing wear and give
>> it a once over before the new race season starts. Everything looked great
>> till I removed the front main bearing cap. Is this a common fault? Has
>> anyone had this before and what would cause the main cap to break?  It's
>> not a fresh crack so I was racing this way.....time to buy a lotto ticket?
>> Dragged a spare engine out from the engine shed and will send it to the
>> machine shop on Monday.
>> I checked a few other mains and nothing I have lines up close enough to
>> line hone ...also a Triumph thing?
>> <image.png>
>>
>> --Cheers!!!
>> *Mike Deweerd*
>> _______________________________________________
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From Dave at microworks.net  Tue Feb 20 08:57:22 2024
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:57:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Best the BajaTR3 has been on Track
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031EEF0@mainserver>

This may have been the last test of the BajaTR3 until April when we'll be seeing some of you at Sonoma for the Kastner Cup followed two weeks later at Laguna Seca.  It drove and handled the best it ever has.  It was very fun to hustle around the Track.

Best part of the video begins at the 6:40 mark when I chase down and pass a Toyota GR86 kitted out with a wing, fender flares and wide tires

https://youtu.be/ToxFploUbNY?si=Iu5y9vZVkcegSx-T


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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 12:26:03 2024
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:26:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
References: <2105119074.2691532.1708457163160.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2105119074.2691532.1708457163160@mail.yahoo.com>

Advanced warning:The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)
For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
Regards,
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Feb 20 14:11:24 2024
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:11:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <2105119074.2691532.1708457163160@mail.yahoo.com>
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So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Advanced warning:
The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

Regards,

Phil Gott

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 14:36:53 2024
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:36:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 14:50:20 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:50:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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From bitishrm at comcast.net  Tue Feb 20 14:59:03 2024
From: bitishrm at comcast.net (RICHARD NORTH)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Why you need a fire system
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Richard North <bitishrm at comcast.net>
> To: Curt Johnston <curt.johnston at comcast.net>
> Date: 02/20/2024 1:16 PM PST
> Subject: Why you need a fire system
> 
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Feb 20 15:00:36 2024
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:00:36 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.  So $640 and the new bottle is on order.  They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.  All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.  Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.  Just FYI.

It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).  It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.  I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.

I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.

Ken

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From: Brad Eells
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
To: Ken Knight
Cc: vfracing at aol.com; FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.

That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.
?
We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
?
Ken
?
Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
?
Advanced warning:
The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)
?
For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Feb 20 15:39:52 2024
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:39:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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Im with Ken?Mordy


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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

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So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

 ?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

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Ken

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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

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Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

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For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 20 15:47:13 2024
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <baa8155b-4dfc-4b69-0af9-ced2362e8892@earthlink.net>

How do you have multiple actuation mechanisms?  I have a brand new FireBottle system and it has one handle that unleashes the pressure in the bottle by pulling the wire that pins the valve.


From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>
Sent: Feb 20, 2024 5:32 PM
To: Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now. 
That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don&rsquo;t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

Ken

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From: vfracing--- via Fot (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup


Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

 

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

 

Regards,

 





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From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:00:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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 Another word to the wise:
Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF. ?This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one. ?AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues. ?If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you. ?Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.
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    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:  
 
 Im with Ken?Mordy


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So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

 ?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

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Ken

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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 ?

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

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For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 16:32:23 2024
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:32:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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 pretty late to suddenly offer up a rule change that although is good for safety, it's just another pita for many racers who are already running events / if the original entry allowed rules from wherever you come from then it's in writing and should be honored / someone got a bug up the backside and got stung and wants to sting everyone else / imho
Ralph
    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 04:36:24 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

 ?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

 ?

Ken

 ?

Sent from Mail for Windows

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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 ?

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

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For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 16:46:53 2024
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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late 2023 I dropped my Firesense SPA bottle to Bicknell Racing
<https://us.bicknellracingproducts.com/>, a certified service group in
Buffalo NY. Form is Here
<https://us.bicknellracingproducts.com/static/images/SPA_cert_USA.pdf>.
Shipping was about $20 and turn was quick. I think I found them by
searching my brand for authorized service locations.
Best of luck
Brian

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 3:21?PM vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Advanced warning:
> The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of
> the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are
> required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the
> driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean
> into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.
> Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year
> (2024)
>
> For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at
> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Gott
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Tue Feb 20 16:49:56 2024
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:49:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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FOT,
 
This is a big deal.  I will check this out with SVRA and report back ASAP.  I can tell you that in California, its extremely difficult, if not impossible, to purchase new systems.  The tanks are back ordered.  In fact, I'm lending out the bottle from my Miata so other racers can us it in local SCCA San Francisco races.  So this  requirement doesn't match up with reality for now.  I have a new bottle in my TR7, but couldn't get last year for the TR8.  Both cars have a single activation points for the driver only.
 
Curt Johnston

> On 02/20/2024 1:11 PM PST Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.
> 
>  
> 
> We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows
> 
>  
> 
> From: vfracing--- via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
> To: FOT Triumph mailto:fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
> 
>  
> 
> Advanced warning:
> 
> The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)
> 
>  
> 
> For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Phil Gott
> 
>  
> 
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Feb 20 17:50:45 2024
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:50:45 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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FYI to FOT.  After this whole thing started I called Safecraft, who supplied my system.  I ordered a new  5 pound bottle with a head made for two releases cables and the second cable.  They are in stock and I should have it in under two weeks.  They are located in the SF Bay area.  

Ken

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From: Curt Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 3:50 PM
To: Ken Knight; Ken Knight via Fot; vfracing at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

FOT, 
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This is a big deal.? I will check this out with SVRA and report back ASAP.? I can tell you that in California, its extremely difficult, if not impossible, to purchase new systems.? The tanks are back ordered.? In fact, I'm lending out the bottle from my Miata so other racers can us it in local SCCA San Francisco races.? So this? requirement doesn't match up with reality for now.? I have a new bottle in my TR7, but couldn't get last year for the TR8.? Both cars have a single activation points for the driver only. 
? 
Curt Johnston 
On 02/20/2024 1:11 PM PST Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
? 
? 
So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.
?
We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
?
Ken
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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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Advanced warning:
The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)
?
For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
?
Regards,
?
Phil Gott
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From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).  With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021.  For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.

 

Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.  Cheap insurance.

 

Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.  I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.  My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. 

 

Ever since Mark Petronis? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.  SVRA was a little slow.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc

 

Mark Cook

 

 

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
To: Brad Eells
Cc: FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 

I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.  So $640 and the new bottle is on order.  They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.  All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.  Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.  Just FYI.

 

It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).  It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.  I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.

 

I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.

 

Ken

 

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From: Brad Eells <mailto:tr4abrad at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
To: Ken Knight <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com> 
Cc: vfracing at aol.com; FOT Triumph <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.

 

That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.

 

Brad Eells

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

 

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

 

Ken

 

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From: vfracing--- via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

 

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

 

Regards,

 

Phil Gott

 

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From robert at mackenzie.aero  Tue Feb 20 20:18:36 2024
From: robert at mackenzie.aero (robert at mackenzie.aero)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:18:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1962 Spitfire Race Car For Sale
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I am selling my ?62, 1147cc ?GP? Spitfire

Commission #FC921 ? built in December 1962 and delivered in Houston in 
early ?63

Race history back into the early 70s.

Class winner with SVRA at COTA & IMS.  CVAR class champion 2018

Includes everything you need to go vintage racing.

Currently a rolling chassis with the engine and gearbox out.

New (zero time) full race engine on stand ready to go in.

Engine built by Rick Parnet ? Forged pistons, Pauter rods and a custom 
big-valve head by John Edwards at Costa Mesa R&D ? Subaru sodium cooled 
valves with bee-hive springs

Info on the head - https://youtu.be/CmP86fz3whA?si=-nKdky-Bm514cvgy

New brakes and Konis on all corners ? 3:89 diff.

3 sets of wheels.
13 x 6 Panasports with new Hosier TDs

13 x 5.5 American Racing Wheels with Nankang AR1 (100TW) with ? tread 
remaining

14 x 5.5 Panasports with Dunlop rain tires

Two additional 13 x 6 Wolfrace wheels  - no tires

Includes a rebuildable 1147cc engine in similar spec to the new engine 
(less custom head) also by Costa Mesa.

Two good gearboxes ? spare 4:11 diff and too many other spares

MyLap subscription free transponder & AIM Solo lap timer.

SCCA & CVAR logbooks.

Includes a fully enclosed two-axel trailer with tire rack

Seriously, everything you need to go vintage racing.

Priced for quick sale.

First $10,000 takes it all.

Contact me at robert at mackenzie.aero or call  210.415.5107 for more 
information.

From mecook at mindspring.com  Tue Feb 20 21:16:08 2024
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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Mike,Good video below on installationhttps://youtu.be/gaGd7kBpb7s?si=rBj555FYXpJjmREKSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 2/20/24  10:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>, Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup How do you have multiple actuation mechanisms?? I have a brand new FireBottle system and it has one handle that unleashes the pressure in the bottle by pulling the wire that pins the valve.
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From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>Sent: Feb 20, 2024 5:32 PMTo: Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
?
Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
?
That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.
?
We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
?
Ken
?
Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: vfracing--- via FotSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PMTo: FOT TriumphSubject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?





Advanced warning:


The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)


?


For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.


?


Regards,


?





Phil Gott
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Tue Feb 20 22:06:11 2024
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 21:06:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Fire System Requirement
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Hello FOT,
 
As many of you have read today, SVRA, the host to the Kastner Cup this year at Sonoma Raceway has adopted a new fire suppression system requirement.  You can find it at this link: SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf
 
Matt Rose, the director of west coast operations for SVRA has written back and said that there is flexibility on these rules.  I wrote and told him that I would survey the systems our FOT drivers have installed now so we get a better understanding of the situation.
 
If you are registered or even thinking about it, could you send me a photo of your fire supression system.  I think this is the best way to get clarification now so we are not hit with surprises upon arrival at the track.  I'd be surprized if we have even one car that meets their new requirements.
 
     Please don't reply to all and bomb the FOT list.  Just send the photo to me at this email:  curt.johnston at comcast.net   mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
      
     You can also text me at 707-249-1667. 
 
I'll share the photos with the full KC Race Committee so we have our ducks in order when we respond to SVRA.
 
We will work this out.  I recall in the past we're had to deal with strict tire regulations, but we found a compremise.  Running the Kastner Cup with different sanctioning bodies across the country always seem bring up issues like this.
 
Thanks!
 
Curt Johnston
2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
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From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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Phil,Good point.? You are correct and thanks for the clarification.I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So, relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a cheap investment for me.? And, most? important, the sanctioning body that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years,? appreciates it!So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have it be a FIA system.I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years.? ?They put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.Thanks!MarkSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> Date: 2/21/24  7:17 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup Mark;To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage along with ?check for $35 to the manufacturer and you get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend it. They do require that the manufacturers? service procedures be performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the owner?s word.SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA ?recertification process be followed.Phil?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47?AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:?@font-face { font-family: Calibri; }
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div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).? With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021.? For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.?Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.? Cheap insurance.?Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.? I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.? My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. ?Ever since Mark Petronis? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.? SVRA was a little slow.?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc?Mark Cook???From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight via FotSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PMTo: Brad EellsCc: FOT TriumphSubject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup?I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.? So $640 and the new bottle is on order.? They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.? All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.? Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.? Just FYI.?It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).? It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.? I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.?I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.?Ken?Sent from Mail for Windows?From: Brad EellsSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PMTo: Ken KnightCc: vfracing at aol.com; FOT TriumphSubject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup?Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.?That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.?Brad EellsSent from my iPhone?On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:?So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.?We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.?Ken?Sent from Mail for Windows?From: vfracing--- via FotSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PMTo: FOT TriumphSubject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup?Advanced warning:The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)?For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.?Regards,?Phil Gott?_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com?_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com
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From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:16:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for  Kastner Cup
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 Hi Mark;
Agreed. skimping on these systems is not wise. ?
I prefer the FE-36 systems. ?This is the replacement for Halon, is not subject to freezing (important here in New England with an unheated barn), and, according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at least 10 years..." ?In addition, as far as is known now, there are now downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36. ?With all the fuss about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use of AFFF were to be banned track by track in the near future. ?Unlike petroleum-based spills, AFFF mixes very well with water and migrates through the groundwater very quickly, making it impossible to recover/mitigate. ?
For those who (like me) are impacted by the requirement that the actuator be accessible for both the driver and a course worker/first responder, a single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the steering wheel on the dashboard, a location ?accessible to both the driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables are available.
Regards,
Phil
    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:58:29 AM EST, Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com> wrote:  
 
 Phil,
Good point.? You are correct and thanks for the clarification.
I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So, relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a cheap investment for me.? And, most? important, the sanctioning body that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years,? appreciates it!
So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have it be a FIA system.
I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years.? ?They put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.
Thanks!
Mark






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-------- Original message --------From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com> Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup 
Mark;To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage along with ?check for $35 to the manufacturer and you get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend it. They do require that the manufacturers? service procedures be performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the owner?s word.SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA ?recertification process be followed.Phil?


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SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).? With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021.? For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.

?

Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.? Cheap insurance.

?

Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.? I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.? My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. 

?

Ever since Mark Petronis? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.? SVRA was a little slow.

?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc

?

Mark Cook

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
To: Brad Eells
Cc: FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?

I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.? So $640 and the new bottle is on order.? They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.? All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.? Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.? Just FYI.

?

It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).? It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.? I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.

?

I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.

?

Ken

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From: Brad Eells
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
To: Ken Knight
Cc: vfracing at aol.com; FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?

Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.

?

That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.

?

Brad Eells

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On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

?

Ken

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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

?

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

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From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:53:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for
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Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.

John

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Another word to the wise:

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Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF. ?This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one. ?AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues. ?If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you. ?Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.

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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:







So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

?

Ken

?

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From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup


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Advanced warning:



The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)



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For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Feb 21 11:03:50 2024
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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Note in the rule that "automatic" actuation can be used in place of the 
2nd pull.? I just ordered a replacement of my FE-36 system that I 
previously installed to comply with SVRA regs with a new FE-36 system 
with one pull but also automatic actuation.? My pull is near the outside 
of the car (as Phil describes), might possibly comply with the 
"accessible to track worker" clause but I'm not banking on that.? So 
mine will have one manual actuation and one automatic (155 degree 
farenheit) actuation.? I think I had 3 years left of recertification on 
the old system.? $750 I hadn't planned to spend but hard to be spicy 
about safety requirements.

Also note the requirement that one of the nozzles be in the engine 
compartment - I need to replump mine to meet that requirement.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/21/2024 7:16 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote:
> Hi Mark;
>
> Agreed. skimping on these systems is not wise.
>
> I prefer the FE-36 systems. ?This is the replacement for Halon, is not 
> subject to freezing (important here in New England with an unheated 
> barn), and, according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at 
> least 10 years..." ?In addition, as far as is known now, there are now 
> downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36. ?With all the fuss 
> about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use of AFFF were to be 
> banned track by track in the near future. ?Unlike petroleum-based 
> spills, AFFF mixes very well with water and migrates through the 
> groundwater very quickly, making it impossible to recover/mitigate.
>
> For those who (like me) are impacted by the requirement that the 
> actuator be accessible for both the driver and a course worker/first 
> responder, a single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the 
> steering wheel on the dashboard, a location ?accessible to both the 
> driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables are 
> available.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:58:29 AM EST, Mark Cook 
> <mecook at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phil,
>
> Good point.? You are correct and thanks for the clarification.
>
> I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So, 
> relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables 
> and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a 
> cheap investment for me.? And, most? important, the sanctioning body 
> that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years,? 
> appreciates it!
>
> So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have 
> it be a FIA system.
>
> I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years.? ?They 
> put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>
> Mark;
> To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the 
> SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your 
> bottle and gage along with ?check for $35 to the manufacturer and you 
> get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend 
> it. They do require that the manufacturers? service procedures be 
> performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither 
> part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the 
> owner?s word.
> SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA ?recertification process be 
> followed.
> Phil
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47?AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with 
>> at least two nozzles). With the calendar year 2020 being a grace 
>> period, it then became mandatory in 2021. For 2024, they added 
>> additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA 
>> and SCCA.
>>
>> Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing 
>> requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.? 
>> Cheap insurance.
>>
>> Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing 
>> fire bottles is actually pretty quick.? I dropped my SPA Extreme 
>> Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.? My 
>> Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by 
>> Jan 18, also by UPS ground.
>>
>> Ever since Mark Petronis? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning 
>> bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.? SVRA was a little slow.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc
>>
>> Mark Cook
>>
>> *From:*Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Ken 
>> Knight via Fot
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
>> *To:* Brad Eells
>> *Cc:* FOT Triumph
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>> I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when 
>> they will recertify again.? So $640 and the new bottle is on order.? 
>> They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it 
>> cheaper than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101 
>> from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.? 
>> Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit 
>> with 2 pulls.? Just FYI.
>>
>> It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a 
>> race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).? It is 
>> dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.? I doubt 
>> they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within 
>> SVRA knew about this, but we did not.
>>
>> I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make 
>> the K Cup and facing a long tow.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Brad Eells <mailto:tr4abrad at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
>> *To: *Ken Knight <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com>
>> *Cc: *vfracing at aol.com; FOT Triumph <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>> Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running 
>> at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
>>
>> That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam 
>> system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one 
>> on the dash and the bottle handle itself.
>>
>> Brad Eells
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>     On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot
>>     <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>
>>     So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule??
>>     Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter
>>     project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to
>>     get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these
>>     times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us
>>     have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March,
>>     then it is a short turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves
>>     us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential
>>     large expense.
>>
>>     We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus
>>     Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our
>>     home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this
>>     mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No
>>     one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that
>>     unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
>>
>>     Ken
>>
>>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>     for Windows
>>
>>     *From: *vfracing--- via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>     *Sent: *Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
>>     *To: *FOT Triumph <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>     *Subject: *[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>>     Advanced warning:
>>
>>     The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and
>>     some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. ?Notably,
>>     plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two
>>     activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other
>>     accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the
>>     car. ?Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.
>>     ?Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new
>>     this year (2024)
>>
>>     For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at
>>     https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Phil Gott
>>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:20:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for
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AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces.  Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car.  It?s a mess to clean up.

     Hank (33 years in Navy ? served on 7 ships)

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM
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Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.

John

    

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
  

 

Another word to the wise:

 

Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF.  This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one.  AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues.  If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you.  Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.

 

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Im with Ken? 

Mordy

  

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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

 

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

 

Ken

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

 

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

 

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

 

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From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Wed Feb 21 12:42:06 2024
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 19:42:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fire system
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB63472A549E7D577D4F687267AB572@IA1PR19MB6347.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have extra tubing and fittings for a couple of different systems -
Be happy to give these out on a as needed basis? should someone be in a jamb .

Send me a note at Vintageclassicsus at outlook.com

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From solarant at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 13:28:46 2024
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:28:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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"one of the nozzles be in the engine compartment"

My manual/automatic system states (correctly) that all (both) nozzles for the system should be in the driver's compartment and pointed at the driver.
They say install a separate system for the engine bay.
How do the rules address this?


"$750 I hadn't planned to spend but hard to be spicy about safety requirements."

Where does this kind of thinking end???
Someone will always be afraid of their own shadow.
It's a business' responsibility to make as much money from the customer as possible.
When we're "racing" at no more than 10 MPH and no closer than 100 yds, will that be safe enough?


"top notch safety equipment is a cheap investment for me"

Is it possible that a rational person could come to a different conclusion?
Is it correct to force one person to abide by the conclusions of another?
(Rhetorical questions pertinent to racing, aviation, and many other areas of life.)






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Note in the rule that "automatic" actuation can be used in place of the 2nd pull.  I just ordered a replacement of my FE-36 system that I previously installed to comply with SVRA regs with a new FE-36 system with one pull but also automatic actuation.  My pull is near the outside of the car (as Phil describes), might possibly comply with the "accessible to track worker" clause but I'm not banking on that.  So mine will have one manual actuation and one automatic (155 degree farenheit) actuation.  I think I had 3 years left of recertification on the old system.  $750 I hadn't planned to spend but hard to be spicy about safety requirements.

Also note the requirement that one of the nozzles be in the engine compartment - I need to replump mine to meet that requirement.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/21/2024 7:16 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote:
Hi Mark;

Agreed. skimping on these systems is not wise.

I prefer the FE-36 systems.  This is the replacement for Halon, is not subject to freezing (important here in New England with an unheated barn), and, according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at least 10 years..."  In addition, as far as is known now, there are now downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36.  With all the fuss about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use of AFFF were to be banned track by track in the near future.  Unlike petroleum-based spills, AFFF mixes very well with water and migrates through the groundwater very quickly, making it impossible to recover/mitigate.

For those who (like me) are impacted by the requirement that the actuator be accessible for both the driver and a course worker/first responder, a single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the steering wheel on the dashboard, a location  accessible to both the driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables are available.

Regards,

Phil

On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:58:29 AM EST, Mark Cook <mecook at mindspring.com><mailto:mecook at mindspring.com> wrote:


Phil,

Good point.  You are correct and thanks for the clarification.

I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So, relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a cheap investment for me.  And, most  important, the sanctioning body that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years,  appreciates it!

So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have it be a FIA system.

I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years.   They put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.

Thanks!

Mark







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Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Mark;
To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage along with  check for $35 to the manufacturer and you get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend it. They do require that the manufacturers? service procedures be performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the owner?s word.
SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA  recertification process be followed.
Phil



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On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47?AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net><mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).  With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021.  For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.



Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.  Cheap insurance.



Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.  I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30.  My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground.



Ever since Mark Petronis? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.  SVRA was a little slow.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc



Mark Cook







From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
To: Brad Eells
Cc: FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup



I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again.  So $640 and the new bottle is on order.  They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.  All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.  Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.  Just FYI.



It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury).  It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem.  I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.



I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.



Ken



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From: Brad Eells<mailto:tr4abrad at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
To: Ken Knight<mailto:kknight at klaenv.com>
Cc: vfracing at aol.com<mailto:vfracing at aol.com>; FOT Triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup



Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.



That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.



Brad Eells

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31?PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net><mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.



We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.



Ken



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From: vfracing--- via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup



Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)



For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.



Regards,



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From fintouch at ptd.net  Wed Feb 21 19:14:57 2024
From: fintouch at ptd.net (finishing Touch)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:14:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stromberg left turn cut out
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So now that my lap times have been getting better,? which means I am 
pulling more G-forces; I am experiencing the dreaded Stromberg left turn 
cut out and/or stutter. Has anyone ever? come up with a solution (short 
or switching to SUs or Webers) to rectify or minimize this? Is this the 
result of too much fuel or not enough fuel during the turn? I am 
eventually going to switch over to SUs, but feel challenged to overcome 
this issue in the meantime if possible.

Thanks in Advance,
Mike Kurtz
TR6 & TVR

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Feb 22 14:30:55 2024
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:30:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fire system
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Well, I'm not putting in the fire system. Should I be changing my plans?  (Or will they let me run "one more time" rather than refund my money?)

Henry Morrison
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Subject: [Fot] Fire system

I have extra tubing and fittings for a couple of different systems -
Be happy to give these out on a as needed basis? should someone be in a jamb .

Send me a note at Vintageclassicsus at outlook.com

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Feb 22 15:14:11 2024
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fire system
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I've spoken to the SVRA safety steward, Rob Elson, a couple of times. They
won't be budging on the fire suppression system issue. Here is Rob's contact
information:

rob at svra.com <mailto:rob at svra.com> . Cell 386-451-7229

 

Good Luck,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

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Fot
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Fire system

 

Well, I'm not putting in the fire system. Should I be changing my plans?
(Or will they let me run "one more time" rather than refund my money?)

 

Henry Morrison

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I have extra tubing and fittings for a couple of different systems -
Be happy to give these out on a as needed basis. should someone be in a jamb
.

Send me a note at Vintageclassicsus at outlook.com
<mailto:Vintageclassicsus at outlook.com> 

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 15:23:35 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:23:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fire system
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 22 16:09:37 2024
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:09:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Stromberg left turn cut out
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 The Kastner Comp Prep book covers this - you need to work on the float chamber vents.
Pp 104 - 105 in the combo Triumph Prep Handbook
If not, HS6's work really well, no venting issues cornering (in my experience).

Regards,rml

    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 09:36:42 PM EST, finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 So now that my lap times have been getting better,? which means I am 
pulling more G-forces; I am experiencing the dreaded Stromberg left turn 
cut out and/or stutter. Has anyone ever? come up with a solution (short 
or switching to SUs or Webers) to rectify or minimize this? Is this the 
result of too much fuel or not enough fuel during the turn? I am 
eventually going to switch over to SUs, but feel challenged to overcome 
this issue in the meantime if possible.

Thanks in Advance,
Mike Kurtz
TR6 & TVR
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Fri Feb 23 19:25:16 2024
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:25:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Rules and Regulations
Message-ID: <006a01da66c8$b50580a0$1f1081e0$@hot-tr6.com>

To my FOT friends that plan of attending the Kastner Cup at Sonoma I suggest
you read through the SVRA Rules and Regulations. Besides the obvious fire
suppression system issue that has been an important topic there are lots of
other minor details to pay attention to. I have raced with SVRA at venues
such as COTA and technical inspection was not asking for these things. Just
a heads up while there is still time to address these issues.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 19:32:56 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 20:32:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen GT6
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> From: Clark Lincoln <clincoln1 at comcast.net>
> Date: February 23, 2024 at 8:15:30?PM CST
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
> Subject: Stolen GT6
> 
> ?
> 
> If anyone sees a GT6 for sale or at a meet or race that remotely looks like this, please find out who?s it is and where they got it.  This car and the trailer it was in (with all the tools and race equipment) was stolen several months ago in the Tucson Az. area. If repainted and looking different, the left rear fender is a Spitfire fender with no gas filler opening, and it has a full SCCA spec. roll cage, as well as a unique rear suspension with no leaf spring.  Also a hand made aluminum trans tunnel. For those of you who remember this car (trimmed out a bit differently) it was my race car that I sold to Stephen Jones about 5 years ago?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Feb 24 06:15:20 2024
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
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Subject: [Fot] Stolen GT6
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> From: Clark Lincoln <clincoln1 at comcast.net>
> Date: February 23, 2024 at 8:15:30?PM CST
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
> Subject: Stolen GT6
> 
> ?
> 
> If anyone sees a GT6 for sale or at a meet or race that remotely looks like this, please find out who?s it is and where they got it.  This car and the trailer it was in (with all the tools and race equipment) was stolen several months ago in the Tucson Az. area. If repainted and looking different, the left rear fender is a Spitfire fender with no gas filler opening, and it has a full SCCA spec. roll cage, as well as a unique rear suspension with no leaf spring.  Also a hand made aluminum trans tunnel. For those of you who remember this car (trimmed out a bit differently) it was my race car that I sold to Stephen Jones about 5 years ago?
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I just went through an SVRA tech inspection with my friend's MGB at Sebring
last weekend. He has a vintage halon system, no SFI/FIA certification
stickers on it. One push handle located next to the drivers set on the
tranny hump, nothing outside the cockpit. He had no problem with the fire
system. They did tell him his FIA, made in 2006, perfectly maintained suit
was too old and needed to be replaced. They would let him run this time but
he needed a new one for the next event. They're using a 10 year limit on
suits, based on the newest (2023) FIA spec. SVRA tried to tell him everyone
(SCCA etc) is doing the same thing, even for SFI suits.  FIA is only using
that spec for pro events (F1, WEC, Rally) until 2029 then it starts to
cover all *FIA only *classes. I haven't seen a similar new spec for SFI
suits at all.

BTW, just 14 cars , including 2 Matias, started the weekend in the small
bore group, about 20 cars, including a couple of 10 yr old at best
Mustangs made up the the big bore group.

SVRA is requiring all cars to have Flagtronic systems installed next year,
according to a chat I had with their director of competition, Alex Miller.

mike h


On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:09?PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I chose AFFF because it was said to be more effective in open cars.
>
> Gas would just blow away, particularly at speed.
>
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in
> engineering spaces.  Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the
> car.  It?s a mess to clean up.
>
>      Hank (33 years in Navy ? served on 7 ships)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *R. John Lye via
> Fot
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM
> *To:* vfracing at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; joealexandervintage at gmail.com;
> kknight at klaenv.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System
> Requirements for Kastner Cup
>
>
>
> Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's
> comp lawsuits.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Another word to the wise:
>
>
>
> Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF.  This is a good fire fighting
> agent, but by no means the only one.  AFFF contains PFAS, which is a
> man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing
> health issues.  If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come
> back to bite you.  Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds
> of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the
> wells in affected homes.
>
>
>
> See Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses
> <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses
> <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>
>
> Aqueous film forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight
> flammable liquid fires. Toxic chemicals in ...
> <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <
> gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Im with Ken?
>
> Mordy
>
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we
> known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of
> this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could
> very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative,
> buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home
> clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty
> well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a
> potential large expense.
>
>
>
> We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under
> the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be
> allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last
> minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the
> rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
> *To: *FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>
>
>
> Advanced warning:
>
> The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of
> the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are
> required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the
> driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean
> into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.
> Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year
> (2024)
>
>
>
> For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at
> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Phil Gott
>
>
>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Feb 27 06:53:19 2024
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for
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 I just looked though the latest SCCA rules and updates. ?Nothing mentioned about a 10-year life: ?See below:
Driving suits that effectively cover the body from the neck to the ankles and wrists. One piece suits are highly recommended. All suits must bear an SFI 3.2A/1, SFI 3.4, or higher SFI certification label or an FIA 1986 Standard, FIA Standard 8856-2000, or FIA Standard 8856-2018 homologation label. Underwear of fire resistant material shall be used, but is optional with suits carrying an FIA Standard 1986 Standard or FIA Standard 8856-2000 label or SFI 3-2A/5 or higher (e.g., /10, /15, /20) certification label.?
Phil

    On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:05:47 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I just went through an SVRA tech inspection with my friend's MGB at Sebring last weekend. He has a vintage halon system, no SFI/FIA certification stickers on it. One push handle located next to the drivers set on the tranny hump, nothing outside the cockpit. He had no problem with the fire system. They did tell him his FIA, made in 2006, perfectly maintained suit was too old and needed to be replaced. They would let him run this time but he needed a new one for the next event. They're using a 10 year limit on suits, based on the newest (2023) FIA spec. SVRA tried to tell him everyone (SCCA etc) is doing the same thing, even for?SFI?suits.? FIA is only using that spec for pro events (F1, WEC, Rally) until 2029 then it starts to cover all FIA only?classes. I haven't seen a similar?new spec for SFI suits at all.
BTW, just 14 cars , including 2 Matias, started the weekend in the small bore group, about 20 cars, including a couple of 10 yr old at best Mustangs?made up the the big bore group.
SVRA is requiring all cars to have Flagtronic systems installed next year, according to a chat I had with their director of competition, Alex Miller.
mike h

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:09?PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I chose AFFF because it was said to be more effective in open cars.
Gas would just blow away, particularly at speed.?

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces.? Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car.? It?s a mess to clean up.

???? Hank (33 years in Navy ? served on 7 ships)

?

?

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM
To: vfracing at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?

Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.

John

? ? 

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
? 

?

Another word to the wise:

?

Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF.? This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one.? AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues.? If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you.? Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.

?

See?Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses

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?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <gasket.works at gte.net> wrote:

?

?

Im with Ken? 

Mordy

? 

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

? 

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.? Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.? So what is the alternative, buy a new system?? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.? Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

?

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.? Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.? No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

?

Ken

?

Sent from Mail for Windows

?

From: vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

?

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.? Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.? Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.? Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

?

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at?https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

?

Regards,

?

Phil Gott

?

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Feb 27 07:15:20 2024
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:15:20 +0000
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I?ve been going through SCCA tech for years now and no one has ever mentioned a 10-year expiration date to me.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of vfracing--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

I just looked though the latest SCCA rules and updates.  Nothing mentioned about a 10-year life:  See below:

Driving suits that effectively cover the body from the neck to the ankles and wrists. One piece suits are highly recommended. All suits must bear an SFI 3.2A/1, SFI 3.4, or higher SFI certification label or an FIA 1986 Standard, FIA Standard 8856-2000, or FIA Standard 8856-2018 homologation label. Underwear of fire resistant material shall be used, but is optional with suits carrying an FIA Standard 1986 Standard or FIA Standard 8856-2000 label or SFI 3-2A/5 or higher (e.g., /10, /15, /20) certification label.

Phil


On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:05:47 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


I just went through an SVRA tech inspection with my friend's MGB at Sebring last weekend. He has a vintage halon system, no SFI/FIA certification stickers on it. One push handle located next to the drivers set on the tranny hump, nothing outside the cockpit. He had no problem with the fire system. They did tell him his FIA, made in 2006, perfectly maintained suit was too old and needed to be replaced. They would let him run this time but he needed a new one for the next event. They're using a 10 year limit on suits, based on the newest (2023) FIA spec. SVRA tried to tell him everyone (SCCA etc) is doing the same thing, even for SFI suits.  FIA is only using that spec for pro events (F1, WEC, Rally) until 2029 then it starts to cover all FIA only classes. I haven't seen a similar new spec for SFI suits at all.

BTW, just 14 cars , including 2 Matias, started the weekend in the small bore group, about 20 cars, including a couple of 10 yr old at best Mustangs made up the the big bore group.

SVRA is requiring all cars to have Flagtronic systems installed next year, according to a chat I had with their director of competition, Alex Miller.

mike h


On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:09?PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I chose AFFF because it was said to be more effective in open cars.

Gas would just blow away, particularly at speed.


Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 21, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?

AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces.  Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car.  It?s a mess to clean up.

     Hank (33 years in Navy ? served on 7 ships)





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Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.

John



On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:




Another word to the wise:



Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF.  This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one.  AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues.  If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you.  Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.



See Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>









Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>

Aqueous film forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight flammable liquid fires. Toxic chemicals in ...<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>









On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <gasket.works at gte.net<mailto:gasket.works at gte.net>> wrote:





Im with Ken?

Mordy



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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.



We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don?t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.



Ken



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From: vfracing--- via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
To: FOT Triumph<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup



Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)



For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.



Regards,



Phil Gott



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 09:55:03 2024
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 10:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Stolen GT6
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Mark, we are having posting this to the LIST.

> From: Clark Lincoln <clincoln1 at comcast.net>
> Date: February 23, 2024 at 8:15:30?PM CST
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
> Subject: Stolen GT6
> 
> ?
> 
> If anyone sees a GT6 for sale or at a meet or race that remotely looks like this, please find out who?s it is and where they got it.  This car and the trailer it was in (with all the tools and race equipment) was stolen several months ago in the Tucson Az. area. If repainted and looking different, the left rear fender is a Spitfire fender with no gas filler opening, and it has a full SCCA spec. roll cage, as well as a unique rear suspension with no leaf spring.  Also a hand made aluminum trans tunnel. For those of you who remember this car (trimmed out a bit differently) it was my race car that I sold to Stephen Jones about 5 years ago?
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> Clark
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