From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Nov  1 18:05:46 2023
From: cak at dimebank.com (Christopher A Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 17:05:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT items need a new home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1698775201.21749.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1698775201.21749.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <a1695860-4923-89ba-4367-470d29cddb14@dimebank.com>

I'm shuffling and downsizing and would like to find new homes for three 
FoT items:

(See photos at https://photos.app.goo.gl/vyC2Gkn6FCjTyLEJ8)

A "Crabtree" large format panoramic print, typical of the era, framed, 
from the Mid-Ohio gathering in 1992

A 40th anniversary poster, from the same event, 1992, laminated

A 50th anniversary poster 2002, laminated, apparently signed by Kas

The lamination is two-sided, clear on the back and matte on the front, 
which minimizes the glare.

Happy to send them off to new homes for the cost of shipping (which I 
haven't started to figure out but the posters should be easy) or you can 
pick them up in Palo Alto.

chris

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Nov  2 13:40:04 2023
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 15:40:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
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Sorry to be late on this. Since we were one of the originators of this 
product we are very familiar with it. The Denso based gear reduction 
starter disengages from the ring gear when the engine starts, unlike the 
original Lucas starter which disengages when the engine "fires".? 
Because of this, the starter pinion needs to engage 40 - 60% of the ring 
gear, not the entire ring gear.? If entire ring gear is engage, it is 
possible for the starter not to disengage and be spun at engine speed. 
This will trash the starter.? Our units are ring gear and flywheel 
specific. Example, there are 2 different TR3 ring? gears. They differ by 
one tooth so a TR3 that used an original 9 tooth pinion gear starter 
(early car) cannot use the starter for the later TR3 or TR4 that had a 
10 tooth pinion gear.? Ted


On 10/28/2023 3:18 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:
> Thanks to all for your help.
>
> Update: ?I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it looks like 
> it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning.
>
> Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than 50%. 
> Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like the pinion 
> gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh with ring gear.
>
> Has anyone seen this?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there are several gear types on the flywheel and the gear on the 
>> starter needs to match.
>>
>> There are pull push types, or push pull types, the engage flange need 
>> to fit and also the teeth distance and such stuff.
>>
>> Besides that, those starters are quite reliable.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *DENNIS WALJE 
>> via Fot
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2023 2:48 AM
>> *To:* Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Fot] Fwd: Starter
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>     *From:* DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net>
>>     *Date:* October 26, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM CDT
>>     *To:* fot-owner at autox.team.net
>>     *Subject:* *Starter*
>>
>>     ?Friends
>>
>>     Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear reduction starter? ?I
>>     installed one on a new engine and after 15/20 starts, the starter
>>     spins but does not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is
>>     12.60, engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid and
>>     wiring are new.
>>
>>     Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Dennis Walje
>>     68 GT6
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>


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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 14:12:50 2023
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:12:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
Message-ID: <CAH7tdL9pysLz86jY6jKM+7u1s3wYr=My1SJHrrGKzgd2xExDYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is
sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or
application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 14:26:07 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:26:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
In-Reply-To: <fe14f152-09f1-4614-ba47-d81fc91b8b1e@bright.net>
References: <000c01da0897$fd072a00$f7157e00$@gmail.com>
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 Thanks Ted,? good information.? I know that TR's also switched from having the ring gear on the front of the flywheel to having it on the back.?  I know the early TR-2/3 starters pushed into the ring gear from the front, while the later (somewhere around 50,000 VIN) pulled in from the rear of the flywheel.? Thus, I believe the ring gear was on the side of the flywheel from which the starter pinion gear engaged.? I didn't realize they changed the number of teeth on the pinion gear, but I guess it would make sense that this change would have occurred when they switched starters and flywheels (again, around VIN 50,000).? Is this correct?
Jack 

    On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 04:06:10 PM EDT, Ted Schumacher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Sorry to be late on this. Since we were one of the originators of this product we are very familiar with it. The Denso based gear reduction starter disengages from the ring gear when the engine starts, unlike the original Lucas starter which disengages when the engine "fires".? Because of this, the starter pinion needs to engage 40 - 60% of the ring gear, not the entire ring gear.? If entire ring gear is engage, it is possible for the starter not to disengage and be spun at engine speed. This will trash the starter.? Our units are ring gear and flywheel specific. Example, there are 2 different TR3 ring? gears. They differ by one tooth so a TR3 that used an original 9 tooth pinion gear starter (early car) cannot use the starter for the later TR3 or TR4 that had a 10 tooth pinion gear.? Ted
 
 
 On 10/28/2023 3:18 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:
  
 
 Thanks to all for your help.? 
  Update: ?I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it looks like it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning.? 
  Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than 50%. Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like the pinion gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh with ring gear.? 
  Has anyone seen this?
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote:
 
 
  
 ? 
 
Hi,
 
 ?
 
there are several gear types on the flywheel and the gear on the starter needs to match.
 
There are pull push types, or push pull types, the engage flange need to fit and also the teeth distance and such stuff.
 
 ?
 
Besides that, those starters are quite reliable.
 
 ?
 
Cheers
 
Chris
 
 ?
   
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DENNIS WALJE via Fot
 Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:48 AM
 To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
   
 ?
 
 ?
  
Sent from my iPhone
   

 Begin forwarded message:
  
  
From: DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net>
 Date: October 26, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM CDT
 To: fot-owner at autox.team.net
 Subject: Starter
  
 
  
?Friends
 
 Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear reduction starter? ?I installed one on a new engine and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is 12.60, engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid and wiring are new. 
 
 Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?
 
 Thanks
 
 Dennis Walje
 68 GT6 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
  
  
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305 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  2 14:35:31 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 15:35:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Thu Nov  2 15:07:45 2023
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (tr4 at wi.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:07:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
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This topic has come up several times.  I have a fair number of friends who own speed shops and are great high performance engine builders.  The consensus among all of them is to not do this unless you have a crank made with narrower journals to create a big end to journal side clearance of no more that .006?.  The idea with this and why all manufactures use close side clearance is to create a healthy dose of oil spray onto the cylinders, pistons and cam shaft.  If you use the chevy rod on a standard Triumph journal you have a side clearance of over .100? and all the spray just directs horizontally which does not help a thing.  I have yet to find any engine spec that lists anything over .010? in all my 70+ years.

 

My opinion and I?m sticking to it!

 

Steve Yott

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

 

Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Thu Nov  2 17:44:22 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
In-Reply-To: <001001da0dd0$a1177a40$e3466ec0$@wi.rr.com>
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They will in fact work.  I have hundreds of hours on Chevy rods.  The only thing is that you have to order custom rods.  My machinist, a  master
Chevy race motor builder, put me on to the specs and the rest is history.  Love the Clevite bearing, super high quality and available in + or - .001 sizes already coated.

Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Steve Yott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:16 PM
To: 'Lorne Fritz'
Cc: 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

This topic has come up several times.? I have a fair number of friends who own speed shops and are great high performance engine builders.? The consensus among all of them is to not do this unless you have a crank made with narrower journals to create a big end to journal side clearance of no more that .006?.? The idea with this and why all manufactures use close side clearance is to create a healthy dose of oil spray onto the cylinders, pistons and cam shaft.? If you use the chevy rod on a standard Triumph journal you have a side clearance of over .100? and all the spray just directs horizontally which does not help a thing.? I have yet to find any engine spec that lists anything over .010? in all my 70+ years.

My opinion and I?m sticking to it!

Steve Yott

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.? This is for a TR3/4 engine.? Pat number, size or application would help. ? Thanks in advance.?? Lorne

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu Nov  2 18:41:48 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 00:41:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
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Moldex sized to Ford Standard, Ford Modular hbeam racing rods by Manley


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John H. Hasty
Of Counsel
Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
301 S. York St.,
P.O. Box 488
Gastonia, NC 28053
704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
mhc-law.com<http://mhc-law.com/> | jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>




From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Knight via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 7:44 PM
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Lorne Fritz' <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

They will in fact work.  I have hundreds of hours on Chevy rods.  The only thing is that you have to order custom rods.  My machinist, a  master
Chevy race motor builder, put me on to the specs and the rest is history.  Love the Clevite bearing, super high quality and available in + or - .001 sizes already coated.

Ken

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Steve Yott via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:16 PM
To: 'Lorne Fritz'<mailto:lorne.fritz at gmail.com>
Cc: 'FOT'<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

This topic has come up several times.  I have a fair number of friends who own speed shops and are great high performance engine builders.  The consensus among all of them is to not do this unless you have a crank made with narrower journals to create a big end to journal side clearance of no more that .006?.  The idea with this and why all manufactures use close side clearance is to create a healthy dose of oil spray onto the cylinders, pistons and cam shaft.  If you use the chevy rod on a standard Triumph journal you have a side clearance of over .100? and all the spray just directs horizontally which does not help a thing.  I have yet to find any engine spec that lists anything over .010? in all my 70+ years.

My opinion and I?m sticking to it!

Steve Yott

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank

Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 08:57:08 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
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 It's been a long time, but I started using Carillo rods when SCCA allowed alternate rods for production cars in 1980.? They were "off the shelf" at that time and in nearly 20 years of use at up to 7,000 RPM's, I never had a failure.? If I were doing a race engine today, I would check with Carillo.

Jack

    On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 09:02:27 PM EDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  
Moldex sized to Ford Standard, Ford Modular hbeam racing rods by Manley
 
 ?
 
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| 

  | 
?
 
John H. Hasty
 
Of Counsel
 
Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
 
301 S. York St.,
 
P.O. Box 488
 
Gastonia, NC 28053
 
704.864.6751?(p)?704.861.8394?(f)
 
mhc-law.com?|?jhasty at mhc-law.com
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfKen Knight via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 7:44 PM
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Lorne Fritz' <lorne.fritz at gmail.com>
Cc: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
 
 ?
 
They will in fact work.? I have hundreds of hours on Chevy rods.? The only thing is that you have to order custom rods.? My machinist, a ?master
 
Chevy race motor builder, put me on to the specs and the rest is history.? Love the Clevite bearing, super high quality and available in + or - .001 sizes already coated.
 
 ?
 
Ken
 
 ?
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
 ?
 
From: Steve Yott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:16 PM
To: 'Lorne Fritz'
Cc: 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
 
 ?
 
This topic has come up several times.? I have a fair number of friends who own speed shops and are great high performance engine builders.? The consensus among all of them is to not do this unless you have a crank made with narrower journals to create a big end to journal side clearance of no more that .006?.? The idea with this and why all manufactures use close side clearance is to create a healthy dose of oil spray onto the cylinders, pistons and cam shaft.? If you use the chevy rod on a standard Triumph journal you have a side clearance of over .100? and all the spray just directs horizontally which does not help a thing.? I have yet to find any engine spec that lists anything over .010? in all my 70+ years.
 
 ?
 
My opinion and I?m sticking to it!
 
 ?
 
Steve Yott
 
 ?
 
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz via Fot
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:13 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
 
 ?
 
Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.? This is for a TR3/4 engine.? Pat number, size or application would help. ? Thanks in advance.?? Lorne
 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Nov  3 16:14:45 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 17:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
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Since 2009, I?ve been using Eagle SIR ESP 5140 I-beam rods with the Chevy rod bearing size big end. They are bullet proof. When I was using a stick crank, they survived two broken cranks. Now have switched to a custom crank sized for these rods. Motor can spin to 7000 no problem. Someone else mentioned the availability of the clevite bearings which is awesome. 

On my stock TR cranks, I ran these as piston guided rod since the big end was narrower than the bearing journal. Now the custom crank was made with these in mind so they are no longer piston guided. Since they are for a v8, there is some machine work involved in cutting a radius on one side of the big end so it won?t foul the radius of the big journal on the crank. Pretty easy for a good machine shop. You?ll likely find that you need to chamfer the rod bearings as well 


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> On Nov 2, 2023, at 15:36, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne
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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 21:17:31 2023
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 23:17:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
In-Reply-To: <6E3030FC-D2E9-4EEF-9AC9-6B974FDAFFB7@icloud.com>
References: <CAH7tdL9pysLz86jY6jKM+7u1s3wYr=My1SJHrrGKzgd2xExDYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks everybody,  I have the info I need.   Lorne

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 6:14?PM Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:

> Since 2009, I?ve been using Eagle SIR ESP 5140 I-beam rods with the Chevy
> rod bearing size big end. They are bullet proof. When I was using a stick
> crank, they survived two broken cranks. Now have switched to a custom crank
> sized for these rods. Motor can spin to 7000 no problem. Someone else
> mentioned the availability of the clevite bearings which is awesome.
>
> On my stock TR cranks, I ran these as piston guided rod since the big end
> was narrower than the bearing journal. Now the custom crank was made with
> these in mind so they are no longer piston guided. Since they are for a v8,
> there is some machine work involved in cutting a radius on one side of the
> big end so it won?t foul the radius of the big journal on the crank. Pretty
> easy for a good machine shop. You?ll likely find that you need to chamfer
> the rod bearings as well
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 2, 2023, at 15:36, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that
> is sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or
> application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Nov  5 08:59:25 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 09:59:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Chevy rods/Moldex crank
In-Reply-To: <6E3030FC-D2E9-4EEF-9AC9-6B974FDAFFB7@icloud.com>
References: <CAH7tdL9pysLz86jY6jKM+7u1s3wYr=My1SJHrrGKzgd2xExDYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Do all V8 rods have no chamfer where the two rods meet? I think someone 
told me the modular Ford rods were not made this way. If so, they would 
be a better choice if a custom crank is used. When I did Chevy rods, we 
narrowed the journal on a stock crank by running a bead of weld along 
the edges. The only problem was getting it straight after the welding. - 
Larry

On 11/3/2023 5:14 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
> Since 2009, I?ve been using Eagle SIR ESP 5140 I-beam rods with the Chevy rod bearing size big end. They are bullet proof. When I was using a stick crank, they survived two broken cranks. Now have switched to a custom crank sized for these rods. Motor can spin to 7000 no problem. Someone else mentioned the availability of the clevite bearings which is awesome.
>
> On my stock TR cranks, I ran these as piston guided rod since the big end was narrower than the bearing journal. Now the custom crank was made with these in mind so they are no longer piston guided. Since they are for a v8, there is some machine work involved in cutting a radius on one side of the big end so it won?t foul the radius of the big journal on the crank. Pretty easy for a good machine shop. You?ll likely find that you need to chamfer the rod bearings as well
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On Nov 2, 2023, at 15:36, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi, Could anybody tell me what rods you are using on a Moldex crank that is sized for a Chevy rod.  This is for a TR3/4 engine.  Pat number, size or application would help.   Thanks in advance.   Lorne
>> _______________________________________________
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Nov  6 12:20:42 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 14:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Empty Trailer coming east from Minneapolis area?
Message-ID: <DE143623-883A-4ACD-9E68-799215C155BB@me.com>

I just committed to buy a sports racer in Elk River, Minnesota.  Lightweight - 1400 lb, maybe, limited spares. Could go in/on an open or closed trailer.
I?m in Eastern PA, but would be happy to meet someone if the car got as far as Indiana or Ohio.

Also interested in shipping companies if anyone knows one that will deal with a non-running, rolling car.

Last choice is that I take the 4-5 day round trip to pick it up!

BTW, this was in response to my inquiry about FOT members that might have a race car for sale.  Thought you all might be interested in the list of what?s out there - some nice cars!

2 nice TR3s
4 TR6s 
Several Spitfires (4?)
GT6
TVR
Lotus Elan
Jensen Healey
Ginetta
Several TR4s

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Nov  7 20:42:48 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:42:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve springs street motor
Message-ID: <08F644B4-63BA-476D-8741-0DBC6CDE813F@icloud.com>

Hey folks,

Building Will?s street motor finally. Going with a stock TR4 cam likely or something aftermarket with about 270 duration (seat), and around 0.41? of valve lift. I?m looking for valve spring recommendations. I have a ton of used springs laying around but also not opposed to ordering something new as we?ve saved a ton of money on using my parts collection to source parts for this build. Appreciate thoughts on what springs are best suited for this application. Or resources for answering my question. 

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 10:14:22 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 12:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVa=1p1MFFb+E76PwG_ORm8Ew-Zhe0tOa53mM9xSFVr8kw@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, I've never been there but I know it's popular.
No price listed

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141383_michigan-s-grattan-raceway-up-for-sale

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 10:31:26 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 17:31:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVa=1p1MFFb+E76PwG_ORm8Ew-Zhe0tOa53mM9xSFVr8kw@mail.gmail.com>
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We raced there for the first time this year in August and really liked it. Are planning on returning.

Marty
________________________________
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Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:14 PM
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Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale

FYI, I've never been there but I know it's popular.
No price listed

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141383_michigan-s-grattan-raceway-up-for-sale

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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Nov  9 13:09:52 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVa=1p1MFFb+E76PwG_ORm8Ew-Zhe0tOa53mM9xSFVr8kw@mail.gmail.com>
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The asking price for the Grattan track and property is around about 7 million. It?s been for sale for several years now. Luckily they want to sell it to a party that will keep it alive as a racetrack. Which is nice of course , but a hope that may not last forever.
If anyone has 7 million+  laying around, I?ll quit my job and run the facility for a simple race for pay arrangement. 
It would be my dream come true. 
It is a great property ...
Some vision and many upgrades would help it Triumph.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FYI, I've never been there but I know it's popular.
> No price listed
> 
> https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141383_michigan-s-grattan-raceway-up-for-sale
> 
> mike h
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 13:18:27 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
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 having raced at Gratten many times since 85 in 4 different race cars I can only say, a roller coaster for cars / a really fun and technical track that's both loved by many, and disliked by a few / I hope it is sold to a true lover of racing as well as it being allowed to remain in the area even with the possible noise issues brought by some
Ralph?
    On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 12:24:01 PM CST, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 We raced there for the first time this year in August and really liked it. Are planning on returning.?
MartyFrom: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:14 PM
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale?FYI, I've never been there but I know it's popular.No price listed

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141383_michigan-s-grattan-raceway-up-for-sale

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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 18:54:48 2023
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
In-Reply-To: <180815723.1668903.1699561107112@mail.yahoo.com>
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If I remember correctly, it went up for sale in 2019. Initially, the asking
price was in the $4 million range, but now it is make offers. Not all of
the family wants to sell. The article says it was recently repaved, some
parts were, but not all of the track.

Regards,
Doug Mitchell
dbm.spitfire at gmail.com

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 5:47 PM ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> having raced at Gratten many times since 85 in 4 different race cars I can
> only say, a roller coaster for cars / a really fun and technical track
> that's both loved by many, and disliked by a few / I hope it is sold to a
> true lover of racing as well as it being allowed to remain in the area even
> with the possible noise issues brought by some
>
> Ralph
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 12:24:01 PM CST, marty sukey via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> We raced there for the first time this year in August and really liked it.
> Are planning on returning.
>
> Marty
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via
> Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:14 PM
> *To:* FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Grattan Raceway is up for sale
>
> FYI, I've never been there but I know it's popular.
> No price listed
>
>
> https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1141383_michigan-s-grattan-raceway-up-for-sale
>
> mike h
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Nov  9 19:13:31 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:13:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 06:45:32 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 08:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Moser Axles
Message-ID: <CAELLCgfvqJXtK_DtYuXsVq2dGrmddKr2xAsT65a=aKg-rOzKew@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking to have upgraded axles made for my Spitfire.  I contacted
Moser in Indiana and that seems like a good option.  However, even though
they have built Spitfire axles before, they said they need specs for the
axles so they can build them.

I know there are some of you who have gone that route so I wanted to ask
about your experience with Moser.

If someone has specs or can "talk me through" the process of getting them
the information they need I would really appreciate it.

Thanks
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Nov 10 07:22:23 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 08:22:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Fri Nov 10 08:12:03 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:12:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
In-Reply-To: <28CF6BDA-4603-4773-B213-D84A6B3B1717@icloud.com>
References: <28CF6BDA-4603-4773-B213-D84A6B3B1717@icloud.com>
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I had one fail on my street engine. Coolant migrated through the composite material and came up around the head studs and also weeped out and down the manifold side of the block. It happened very soon after assembly. I had just finished a restoration and started off on a trip to the VTR national in Oklahoma with 50 miles on the engine. I re-torqued the head at our first overnight stop and noticed one drop of coolant near the center of the engine by the head stud. I lost less than a cup of water all trip of over 1800 miles.?It totally delaminated when I took the head off so there was no way to see what or where it had failed.?I replaced it with an annealed copper gasket from Racetorations with no changes to the f-08 gaskets or the head so I know it was a gasket issue. That technology is what Commetic uses and a lot of the "tuner" guys use Commetic so it is proven. I used one a while back on an engine for a club member and he has had no issues so I just got a bad one I guess.?
Greg Thompson? 

    On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 09:53:06 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Anyone use this one?

|  |
| 
| Head Gasket Big Bore 87mm to 90mm LUCASbpnorthwest.com |

 |

Work well? Do you install dry?
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 10 08:53:12 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:53:12 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
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Hi Guys,

 

I?m not a fan of composite gaskets.

 

On my TR4 I use solid steel headgaskets from Bastuck. They last many years and I never had a fail.

The big advantage?.the head stays true. The softer the gasket, the more warping of the head.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 4:12 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Head gasket

 

I had one fail on my street engine. Coolant migrated through the composite material and came up around the head studs and also weeped out and down the manifold side of the block. It happened very soon after assembly. I had just finished a restoration and started off on a trip to the VTR national in Oklahoma with 50 miles on the engine. I re-torqued the head at our first overnight stop and noticed one drop of coolant near the center of the engine by the head stud. I lost less than a cup of water all trip of over 1800 miles. It totally delaminated when I took the head off so there was no way to see what or where it had failed. I replaced it with an annealed copper gasket from Racetorations with no changes to the f-08 gaskets or the head so I know it was a gasket issue. That technology is what Commetic uses and a lot of the "tuner" guys use Commetic so it is proven. I used one a while back on an engine for a club member and he has had no issues so I just got a bad one I guess. 

 

Greg Thompson 

 

 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 09:53:06 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Anyone use this one?

 






 <https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/head-gasket-big-bore-87mm-to-90mm-lucas/> Head Gasket Big Bore 87mm to 90mm LUCAS

 <https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/head-gasket-big-bore-87mm-to-90mm-lucas/> bpnorthwest.com

Work well? Do you install dry?

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 09:22:07 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:22:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
In-Reply-To: <2057791786.2003165.1699629123586@mail.yahoo.com>
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I think that's why some of us still use a sealant. With the fire ring
thickness on this gasket I can't see a downside to a coppercoat spray, or
better yet Hylomar spray. That stuff is hard to find. I'm also a big fan of
using Gasgacinch which can be applied manually.

I gave up on using these gaskets for the race engine. The eyebrow cut in
the liners and the shape of the combustion chamber on the milled head did
not leave much surface area for the fire ring to seal. I'm back to shim
steel head gaskets.

Bob Kramer


On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 9:51?AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I had one fail on my street engine. Coolant migrated through the composite
> material and came up around the head studs and also weeped out and down the
> manifold side of the block. It happened very soon after assembly. I had
> just finished a restoration and started off on a trip to the VTR national
> in Oklahoma with 50 miles on the engine. I re-torqued the head at our first
> overnight stop and noticed one drop of coolant near the center of the
> engine by the head stud. I lost less than a cup of water all trip of over
> 1800 miles. It totally delaminated when I took the head off so there was
> no way to see what or where it had failed. I replaced it with an annealed
> copper gasket from Racetorations with no changes to the f-08 gaskets or the
> head so I know it was a gasket issue. That technology is what Commetic uses
> and a lot of the "tuner" guys use Commetic so it is proven. I used one a
> while back on an engine for a club member and he has had no issues so I
> just got a bad one I guess.
>
> Greg Thompson
>
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 09:53:06 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone use this one?
>
> [image: c2caddext__48928.1694217973.386.513.jpg]
>
> Head Gasket Big Bore 87mm to 90mm LUCAS
> <https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/head-gasket-big-bore-87mm-to-90mm-lucas/>
> bpnorthwest.com
> <https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/head-gasket-big-bore-87mm-to-90mm-lucas/>
> <https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/head-gasket-big-bore-87mm-to-90mm-lucas/>
> Work well? Do you install dry?
> Sent from my iPhone
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 09:43:41 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:43:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
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References: <28CF6BDA-4603-4773-B213-D84A6B3B1717@icloud.com>
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 my experience with many different head gaskets on various non TR vehicles, those gaskets with the "printed" on sealant should be installed without any sealer, sealer can compromise the printed seal
just what I have found out over the years



    On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 08:42:34 AM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the answers folks. Here is what I got.?3 responded and love them no problems2 install with a sealant1 dry?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2023, at 21:47, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:



?
Anyone use this one?

| <c2caddext__48928.1694217973.386.513.jpg> |
| 
| Head Gasket Big Bore 87mm to 90mm LUCASbpnorthwest.com |

 |

Work well? Do you install dry?
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 11:11:27 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 18:11:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
References: <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
Regards,Bob Lang
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 10 11:31:01 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 18:31:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Head gasket
In-Reply-To: <00b501da13ee$033155c0$09940140$@gmail.com>
References: <28CF6BDA-4603-4773-B213-D84A6B3B1717@icloud.com>
 <2057791786.2003165.1699629123586@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <5142675.2121475.1699641061343@mail.yahoo.com>

 100% agree w/all points...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 01:22:11 PM EST, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Hi Guys,

 ?

I?m not a fan of composite gaskets.

 ?

On my TR4 I use solid steel headgaskets from Bastuck. They last many years and I never had a fail.

The big advantage?.the head stays true. The softer the gasket, the more warping of the head.

 ?

Cheers

Chris

 ?

 ?

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 4:12 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Head gasket

 ?

I had one fail on my street engine. Coolant migrated through the composite material and came up around the head studs and also weeped out and down the manifold side of the block. It happened very soon after assembly. I had just finished a restoration and started off on a trip to the VTR national in Oklahoma with 50 miles on the engine. I re-torqued the head at our first overnight stop and noticed one drop of coolant near the center of the engine by the head stud. I lost less than a cup of water all trip of over 1800 miles.?It totally delaminated when I took the head off so there was no way to see what or where it had failed.?I replaced it with an annealed copper gasket from Racetorations with no changes to the f-08 gaskets or the head so I know it was a gasket issue. That technology is what Commetic uses and a lot of the "tuner" guys use Commetic so it is proven. I used one a while back on an engine for a club member and he has had no issues so I just got a bad one I guess.?

 ?

Greg Thompson?

 ?

 ?

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 09:53:06 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 ?

 ?

Anyone use this one?

 ?

| 

 |
| 
| 
Head Gasket Big Bore 87mm to 90mm LUCAS

bpnorthwest.com
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Work well? Do you install dry?

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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov 10 16:03:54 2023
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (tr4)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
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Message-ID: <mailman.3.1699657445.23353.fot@autox.team.net>

Been back ordered for nearly a year now.? Seems TR4 exhaust and TR6 intakes are scarce.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 11/10/23  4:40 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability Hi,I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".Regards,Bob Lang
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 06:11:50 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:11:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
In-Reply-To: <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <517504334.1869399.1699708310210@mail.yahoo.com>

 Are the oversized valves available?? I have machined oversized valves down to standard size to be able to use them.? Takes more time and work, but if you need the valves, it is doable.??JoeB
    On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 05:34:37 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,
I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
Regards,Bob Lang
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Nov 11 07:41:03 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:41:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
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I?ve often thought, but never spent the time, that there is likely a more modern motor that has valves of similar enough dimensions that we could use them with some amount of machine work. 

Has any gone down this path for TR6 or TR4 motors?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2023, at 22:50, tr4 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> Been back ordered for nearly a year now.  Seems TR4 exhaust and TR6 intakes are scarce.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/10/23 4:40 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
> 
> As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
> 
> I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
> 
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Nov 11 09:23:30 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
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Manley will make custom valves for you at a reasonable price.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?ve often thought, but never spent the time, that there is likely a more modern motor that has valves of similar enough dimensions that we could use them with some amount of machine work. 
> 
> Has any gone down this path for TR6 or TR4 motors?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 22:50, tr4 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Been back ordered for nearly a year now.  Seems TR4 exhaust and TR6 intakes are scarce.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Date: 11/10/23 4:40 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
>> 
>> As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
>> 
>> I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bob Lang
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 11 09:45:10 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:45:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
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 As an alternative, here's one supplier of custom valves.
Glen Efinger

 https://www.ferrea.com/competition-plus-engine-valves-blanks/p772



   On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 10:37:10 AM EST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?ve often thought, but never spent the time, that there is likely a more modern motor that has valves of similar enough dimensions that we could use them with some amount of machine work.?
Has any gone down this path for TR6 or TR4 motors?
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2023, at 22:50, tr4 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Been back ordered for nearly a year now.? Seems TR4 exhaust and TR6 intakes are scarce.


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 11/10/23 4:40 PM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability 
Hi,
I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
Regards,Bob Lang
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 14:06:27 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Intake and Exhaust Valve Availability
In-Reply-To: <517504334.1869399.1699708310210@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1734515702.2098639.1699639887190@mail.yahoo.com>
 <517504334.1869399.1699708310210@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <720341057.2439841.1699736787400@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi - it looks like oversize valves are available. I have used them in the past and had them cut down so that my heads were by the rule book legal. I could still do that, but I was looking for off the shelf stuff that I can use to get one of my motors running before I pickle the car for the winter.
I'll keep poking around.
I still have to figure out how I bent valve in the first place. I sure it wasn't due to missing a shift and revving to over 7k. ;-)
C ya,rml

    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 08:53:20 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Are the oversized valves available?? I have machined oversized valves down to standard size to be able to use them.? Takes more time and work, but if you need the valves, it is doable.??JoeB
    On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 05:34:37 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,
I've been cruising the web looking at valves for a couple of projects and it looks like the usual sources are listing the fancier 21 4N valves in standard sizes as unavailable or in less than full set quantities. Can anyone shed light on this issue?
As-of right now, I'm SOL on one project because of this.
I'm not looking at big valves... just stock-size (1.43 intakes and 1.28 exhausts, but the forged 21 4N jobs that come with the back side cut - sometimes referred to as "gas flowed".
Regards,Bob Lang
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 11 16:45:51 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:45:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Pistons Rods Rings
Message-ID: <CH3PR15MB56121B821944B40B8986CF97BAADA@CH3PR15MB5612.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

[cid:9bc8d4a8-6f63-473c-9e89-c243b4a79b62][cid:e2ac6de8-5a01-4708-8b7c-29917933d15d][cid:3dd5093c-b0d2-43e7-b3b3-16ed21e6a791]

Parts from a long ago TR6 project. New +.030 Venolia pistons.  New Total Seal rings.  Sized and prepped rods never installed.  $1,000 for all to your door.

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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 12:34:17 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 14:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine
Message-ID: <CALDumpD9i8JORUTVf0jA9Y3T3_qUNPpoOoZ9kwdWaWw2nYVVvg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know the weight of the engine, complete less exhaust? And maybe
the engine trans combination?
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 15:10:47 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:10:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Steve Yott
Message-ID: <CALDumpDsScf2c596YNDAVu7G_0n2bFUF2Qg_uPJgVyRRLhjg4w@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
  Your email?
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov 12 18:44:28 2023
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 01:44:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine
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I have all those exact weights in my log but my foggy old mind says 640 ponds


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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 04:43:35 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 06:43:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hub Caps
Message-ID: <CAELLCgfCRPpZM0KxWEU=xpcSh_+8o5k0AnaX824WtLh-HtLeDg@mail.gmail.com>

I bought a GT6 parts car recently and these hub Caps were on it.  I don't
think these are Triumph but I'm not sure.

Can anyone identify these?

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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 05:02:57 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 07:02:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hub Caps
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Looks like Corvair.

Chuck

> On Nov 14, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I bought a GT6 parts car recently and these hub Caps were on it.  I don't think these are Triumph but I'm not sure.
> 
> Can anyone identify these?
> 
> Thanks 
> <20231026_074842-1.jpg>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 05:19:31 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 06:19:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hub Caps
In-Reply-To: <CAELLCgfCRPpZM0KxWEU=xpcSh_+8o5k0AnaX824WtLh-HtLeDg@mail.gmail.com>
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Here is some info from my website with wheel and tire options from the
factory for Spitfires and GT6s. I'm not sure if this will have the info you
are looking for, but there is a ton of usable info on my website. I hope
this helps...

https://triumphspitfire.com/reference-pages/stock-tire-wheel-information/

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 5:49 AM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I bought a GT6 parts car recently and these hub Caps were on it.  I don't
> think these are Triumph but I'm not sure.
>
> Can anyone identify these?
>
> Thanks
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From gt6racer at msn.com  Fri Nov 17 12:32:38 2023
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:32:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1300 LJ
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Hello all, 
           Just a shout out to see if anyone nearby to SE Michigan has any 1296 large journal motors needing a new home. I will be running vintage and don?t need 11/10 performance, so I?m leaving the preferred small journals to those that need them. As nobody races the LJ, thought it might be worth it to ask in case someone has one sitting around.. Not urgent, just need blanks for my future builds..
Thanks, Andrew

Thank you, 
      Andrew Devenish

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 18 06:07:55 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:07:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Polarity Question
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I just bought a new generator for my TR-3A.? The Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-3 generator and the TR-4 generator.? However, the TR-3 was originally positive ground, while the TR-4 was negative ground.?Are these new generators set for positive or negative ground, or are they designed to handle either?? I changed the polarity of my car when I restored it years ago, so it is now negative ground.
My question is, do I need to polarize this new generator?? If it is set for a negative ground, I'm afraid I might switch it to positive ground if I do that "flick" thing.? The instructions Albert sent me said to run a wire from the battery terminal which feeds the solenoid (positive in my case), then flick it against the field coil terminal of the generator.? OK, if I need to do this, which is the field coil terminal, the one on the side of the generator, or the large one on the end?
I don't want to do anything that will burn out my new generator or voltage regulator.? Thanks for any help you can give me.
Jack Wheeler
  
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 18 08:06:15 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 15:06:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Polarity Question
In-Reply-To: <1129482294.5414679.1700312875495@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <1129482294.5414679.1700312875495@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Yes momentarily "flash"/put power to the genny field (small) terminal.
Glen Efinger

    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 08:34:01 AM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I just bought a new generator for my TR-3A.? The Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-3 generator and the TR-4 generator.? However, the TR-3 was originally positive ground, while the TR-4 was negative ground.?Are these new generators set for positive or negative ground, or are they designed to handle either?? I changed the polarity of my car when I restored it years ago, so it is now negative ground.
My question is, do I need to polarize this new generator?? If it is set for a negative ground, I'm afraid I might switch it to positive ground if I do that "flick" thing.? The instructions Albert sent me said to run a wire from the battery terminal which feeds the solenoid (positive in my case), then flick it against the field coil terminal of the generator.? OK, if I need to do this, which is the field coil terminal, the one on the side of the generator, or the large one on the end?
I don't want to do anything that will burn out my new generator or voltage regulator.? Thanks for any help you can give me.
Jack Wheeler
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 18 10:02:40 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Polarity Question
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 <1129482294.5414679.1700312875495@mail.yahoo.com>
 <245007233.3553233.1700319975740@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1551456057.3583315.1700326960901@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks to all who responded to my question.? I was corrected on the fact that Triumph switched to negative ground when the TR-4A was implemented (1965).? The TR-4 was still positive ground.? But, the Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-4 Generator (205939/AL) and the TR-4A, so my logic is still correct.? Not that it applies to me, but I wonder if there is any difference when using this generator on a TR-4 verses a TR-4A?
Thanks again.
Jack

   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:06:20 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Polarity Question
  Yes momentarily "flash"/put power to the genny field (small) terminal.
Glen Efinger

    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 08:34:01 AM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I just bought a new generator for my TR-3A.? The Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-3 generator and the TR-4 generator.? However, the TR-3 was originally positive ground, while the TR-4 was negative ground.?Are these new generators set for positive or negative ground, or are they designed to handle either?? I changed the polarity of my car when I restored it years ago, so it is now negative ground.
My question is, do I need to polarize this new generator?? If it is set for a negative ground, I'm afraid I might switch it to positive ground if I do that "flick" thing.? The instructions Albert sent me said to run a wire from the battery terminal which feeds the solenoid (positive in my case), then flick it against the field coil terminal of the generator.? OK, if I need to do this, which is the field coil terminal, the one on the side of the generator, or the large one on the end?
I don't want to do anything that will burn out my new generator or voltage regulator.? Thanks for any help you can give me.
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Nov 18 12:15:21 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:15:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Help_I=E2=80=99d_a_flywheel?=
Message-ID: <A5FDDFEF-9685-4A76-8BA7-64B67E7F7382@icloud.com>

Thinks it?s for a TR6. Thoughts on that symbol and part #?

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Sat Nov 18 12:33:04 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Polarity Question
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Yes, it should work if you polarize it the way that Glen Effinger suggests.

Good luck,
John
?



On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

?

Thanks to all who responded to my question.? I was corrected on the fact that Triumph switched to negative ground when the TR-4A was implemented (1965).? The TR-4 was still positive ground.? But, the Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-4 Generator (205939/AL) and the TR-4A, so my logic is still correct.? Not that it applies to me, but I wonder if there is any difference when using this generator on a TR-4 verses a TR-4A?

?

Thanks again.

?

Jack

?




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From: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>

To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com>

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:06:20 AM EST

Subject: Re: [Fot] Polarity Question

?





?

Yes momentarily "flash"/put power to the genny field (small) terminal.

?

Glen Efinger

?





On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 08:34:01 AM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

?







?




I just bought a new generator for my TR-3A.? The Roadster Factory lists the same part number for the TR-3 generator and the TR-4 generator.? However, the TR-3 was originally positive ground, while the TR-4 was negative ground.?Are these new generators set for positive or negative ground, or are they designed to handle either?? I changed the polarity of my car when I restored it years ago, so it is now negative ground.

?

My question is, do I need to polarize this new generator?? If it is set for a negative ground, I'm afraid I might switch it to positive ground if I do that "flick" thing.? The instructions Albert sent me said to run a wire from the battery terminal which feeds the solenoid (positive in my case), then flick it against the field coil terminal of the generator.? OK, if I need to do this, which is the field coil terminal, the one on the side of the generator, or the large one on the end?

?

I don't want to do anything that will burn out my new generator or voltage regulator.? Thanks for any help you can give me.

?

Jack Wheeler










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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sat Nov 18 15:28:31 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:28:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Help_I=E2=80=99d_a_flywheel?=
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Indy  symbol isn?t it?

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On Nov 18, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Thinks it?s for a TR6. Thoughts on that symbol and part #?

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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 18 15:56:38 2023
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Help_I=E2=80=99d_a_flywheel?=
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Fidanza logo.  Not sure about part number, though.
Jamie Palmer

> On Nov 18, 2023, at 2:54?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 18 16:27:28 2023
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 23:27:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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Good evening
Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background.
Thank
Andy


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From emanteno at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 16:42:01 2023
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:42:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Help_I=E2=80=99d_a_flywheel?=
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The Fidanza that just came out of my TR6 has 5616 instead of the 1159 on
Greg's. TR6's did have 2 different crankshafts and flywheels, so perhaps
Greg's is for the long crank TR250/5 and earlier TR6? Mine is a 74.

Irv Korey

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 17:09:29 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 18:09:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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John

This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> 
> Good evening 
> Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background. 
> Thank
> Andy 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 18:05:14 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:05:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Help_I=E2=80=99d_a_flywheel?=
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 18 20:01:59 2023
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 03:01:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

John

This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Good evening
Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background.
Thank
Andy


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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sat Nov 18 22:28:28 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:28:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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First question: what is the rollbar number? I see a rollbar inside. The number would tell us where it probably began its racing life, which could help zero you in ? maybe. It should be stamped into the rollcage somewhere, most likely in or near the main hoop in an easy-to-see location.

If there?s no number, it wasn?t an SCCA car.

--Rocky Entriken

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of f s via Fot
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 9:02 PM
To: Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com>; John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com<mailto:texwebs at yahoo.com>>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

John

This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?

Good evening
Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background.
Thank
Andy


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 07:43:35 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:43:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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 If it was an SCCA car, there should be a number stamped on the roll bar with the region and log book number, e.g. 22-1498, 22 is NER.
It should get your search started in the right direction.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:22:54 PM EST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00) To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com> Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car 
John
This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
Good evening?Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history? of it. Current owner does not have background.?ThankAndy?

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 19 08:42:23 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:42:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 19 11:17:39 2023
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:17:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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References: <BL1P220MB08042667B27ED07A7B574086C1B6A@BL1P220MB0804.NAMP220.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I will not know that until I get the car. Hoping to pick it up in Dec.




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Robert Lang <robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com>
Date: 11/19/23 8:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com>, John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

If it was an SCCA car, there should be a number stamped on the roll bar with the region and log book number, e.g. 22-1498, 22 is NER.

It should get your search started in the right direction.

Regards,
Bob Lang

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:22:54 PM EST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

John

This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Good evening
Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background.
Thank
Andy


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 12:10:06 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1976 NARRC Race Bridgehampton
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My son recently sent me this SCCA Supps from Bridgehampton. The production classes have a number of Triumphs.  These include Jay Creel?s dad, Jack, in EP.  There is, what might be a GT6 in D prod.  Number 13.  Numbers change, so might be the GT6 being researched in recent posts???  JoeB
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 13:11:41 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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 the rollbar number is typically stamped in close proximity to the hole they drill to check material thickness / most are done on the right side of the bar, always the main hoop


    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:52:40 PM CST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I will not know that until I get the car. Hoping to pick it up in Dec.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------From: Robert Lang <robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com> Date: 11/19/23 8:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com>, John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com>Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car 
If it was an SCCA car, there should be a number stamped on the roll bar with the region and log book number, e.g. 22-1498, 22 is NER.
It should get your search started in the right direction.
Regards,Bob Lang

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:22:54 PM EST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00) To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com> Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car 
John
This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
Good evening?Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history? of it. Current owner does not have background.?ThankAndy?

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 20 08:39:24 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] PRI from New England
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Amici, anyone from New England driving to PRI in December that would have room to transport 8 race wheels back with them?? I'm looking to buy them from a racer in Chicago area, who would bring them to PRI with him.? JoeB
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 20 08:49:36 2023
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:49:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
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FOT.    

Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?

We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.

Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.

Christian Marx?

Thank you very much. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 08:58:28 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:58:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] PRI from New England
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Any FOT going to PRI?  We will be there Thursday/Friday.



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Nov 20, 2023, at 9:55 AM, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici, anyone from New England driving to PRI in December that would have room to transport 8 race wheels back with them?  I'm looking to buy them from a racer in Chicago area, who would bring them to PRI with him.  JoeB
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 20 11:43:12 2023
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 21:43:12 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
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Hi Joe,

I run them in my TR6 and TR4, never had an issuer with them.

Chris knows the owner I believe so will be better placed than me to comment.

Keith

> On 20 Nov 2023, at 18:49, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> FOT.    
> 
> Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?
> 
> We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.
> 
> Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.
> 
> Christian Marx?
> 
> Thank you very much. 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
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From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 20 14:52:55 2023
From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:52:55 +1100
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
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I?m running one and have had this problem 
Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Nov 2023, at 3:16 am, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?FOT.    
> 
> Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?
> 
> We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.
> 
> Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.
> 
> Christian Marx?
> 
> Thank you very much. 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 20 16:37:11 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:37:11 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
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Hi Guys,

just saying, try to help.

A remark about dogboxes and the wear.
I use mine now for about 13 year in a row and serviced it 2020.
All parts look like new still after this long time.
I use a 140 weight GL4 oil in that box.

To minimize wear on such a gearbox:
Shift quick. As quick as possible. The more lever speed and force, the less
wear on the dogrings.
They hate sluggish shifting and do even hate more blipping the throttle on
shifts.
A dogbox want brutal action - quick and firm.
You even can shift without the clutch if needed. I do hat rarely.
To explain that type of up shifting:
Hold the lever to the next year, as soon you want to shift, go off throttle
and on again...done.
Some people run the engine into the rev-limiter so the rev-limiter can do
the cutout of the engine for you instead of your foot.

But I don't like that type of shifting as it is hard on the drivetrain. The
parts in these old engines are too heavy.
That is something for lightweight race engines of modern style.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box. Replacement Parts. Gears.

FOT.    

Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?

We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.

Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.

Christian Marx?

Thank you very much. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 17:56:21 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:56:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
In-Reply-To: <44E9F8A8-9D29-463F-8B54-87B1DC13C724@optusnet.com.au>
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I looked at the Bastuck website and it looks like all the bushings and bearings are the same as the stock style gear sets. The 2nd/3rd gear popping out is often traced to broken top hat bushes and loose clearances, and/or countershaft bearing failures. Could this be the same with a dog box? I?ve never had one apart so I haven?t had the opportunity to see what else would wear out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Geoff Byrne via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m running one and have had this problem 
> Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 3:16 am, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?FOT.    
>> 
>> Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?
>> 
>> We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.
>> 
>> Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.
>> 
>> Christian Marx?
>> 
>> Thank you very much. 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 17:57:47 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:57:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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I think the seller has since reported that it came from the northeast.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2023, at 4:55 PM, John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> If SCCA, you should find a # on the roll bar and a very small inspection hole in main hoop. The # should be close to the inspection hole. 
> 
> Doesn't  always work out that way. Found that out while working as a tech inspector in 1970s and  when working with Fisher Jones later.
> 
> What I found out when working on old racers was that the roll bar had been painted several times and the   paint hid the #, but most often were near the inspection hole. 
> ]
> Once we found two sets of numbers.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 06:09:42 PM CST, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Good evening 
>> Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background. 
>> Thank
>> Andy 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 20 19:07:48 2023
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 02:07:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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The current owner sent me a scan of a log book that came with car. Looks like ID is 23-036. Onwer was a Skip Chapman from Conn.
Car looks like it originally a Mk3 gt6. Current owner thinks previous owner rebodied it after a roll over.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car

John

This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Good evening
Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background.
Thank
Andy


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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Mon Nov 20 19:09:18 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 02:09:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Bastuck Dog Box.    Replacement Parts.   Gears.
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Ah we use the good ol? English Quaff ( sp) for last 5 or 6 years with no problems!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2023, at 5:58 PM, Geoff Byrne via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m running one and have had this problem 
> Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 3:16 am, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?FOT.    
>> 
>> Who is running a Bastuck Dog Box?
>> 
>> We are experiencing 2nd and 3rd gear popping out.
>> 
>> Has anyone had experience in acquiring replacement parts.
>> 
>> Christian Marx?
>> 
>> Thank you very much. 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Nov 20 19:13:50 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 20:13:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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I have a few ?in period? images of this car in my GT6 photo archives. Without knowing anything about it?s build quality.... I?d say it is legitimate. And likely worthy of an honest starting point for any vintage racing project.  Cool.
Says.?Self proclaimed expert in ?real? GT6 racecars?
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 
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> On Nov 19, 2023, at 3:49 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> the rollbar number is typically stamped in close proximity to the hole they drill to check material thickness / most are done on the right side of the bar, always the main hoop
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:52:40 PM CST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I will not know that until I get the car. Hoping to pick it up in Dec.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Lang <robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 11/19/23 8:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com>, John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>, f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car
> 
> If it was an SCCA car, there should be a number stamped on the roll bar with the region and log book number, e.g. 22-1498, 22 is NER.
> 
> It should get your search started in the right direction.
> 
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
> 
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:22:54 PM EST, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The current owner says he bought it from the east coast 25 years ago. Never did anything with it. Just sat in garage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Good evening 
>> Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background. 
>> Thank
>> Andy 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 21 05:54:51 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:54:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Seeking info on car
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?23 is New York region SCCA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2023, at 11:14 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> The current owner sent me a scan of a log book that came with car. Looks like ID is 23-036. Onwer was a Skip Chapman from Conn.
> Car looks like it originally a Mk3 gt6. Current owner thinks previous owner rebodied it after a roll over. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/18/23 7:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: John Lee <texwebs at yahoo.com>
> Cc: FOT list <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking info on car 
> 
> John
> 
> This GT6 is in TX. Do you recognize it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> 
>> Good evening 
>> Does anyone on the list know this car? I am working on purchasing it and hoping someone may have some history  of it. Current owner does not have background. 
>> Thank
>> Andy 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 07:17:28 2023
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 on AJ Baime's My Ride
Message-ID: <CAC5qWeAvhE2DgrMqcO5gPazufnT9pFqo+rsjjuOkbPQnpEPpng@mail.gmail.com>

First Triumph that I've seen AJ cover in his WSJ column.

https://www.wsj.com/news/types/my-ride

Cheers,
Dave and Shelby
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Wed Nov 22 12:59:29 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:59:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Black Friday Kastner Cup Discount
Message-ID: <1159109921.335049.1700683169796@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello FOT,
 
SVRA has a Black Friday $100 registration discount going on now (Facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=733340082169845&set=a.625709139599607)
 
So this is a good time to sign up for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma Raceway.  Honestly, I usually sign up so late I have to pay the added fee.  But this year is different because SVRA has posted on Facebook a $100 registration discount.  We need a good showing of Triumphs to get two featured races and become the featured marque at Sonoma.  Also, if you sign up for both Sonoma and Laguna Seca SpeedTour races, SVRA will provide free test days through the Kastner Cup Race Committee.  In addition, with a strong FOT field at Laguna, SVRA has offered us a Triumph feature race as well; that would be so cool.
 
We have been asked to create a list of drivers signed up for both races.  SVRA will then provide each FOT/Kastner Cup driver free Thursday test days upon arrival/registration at the track (so don't pay for testing if you go to both races).  So send me an email if you'll be at both races.
 
On the flip side, if you can only attend one race, the Black Friday deal includes $50 off the Thursday Test Day registration.
 
This is the direct SVRA registration link: Events | SVRA https://svra.com/Events/?fbclid=IwAR2ZoIVZm0PsqhSAF9A0oRk4bznw9vQn7obtz0AgCs2kHDx5Oon_UYKRVhg
 
Curt Johnston
2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 25 13:24:29 2023
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 20:24:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Ignition Dizzy's
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Hello all,
Hope everyone had a pleasant Thanksgiving.? ?I have a question for those that mite be using electronic ignitions, pertronix in particular.? Are you using a circuit guard or power filter os some kind to prevent power spikes o the ignition module ?? If so what brand and if not why ?
Curious,Bob T?64 Spit GT. autocrosser
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 26 07:54:23 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:54:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation
References: <1684216564.8127459.1701010463157.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I must have done this hundreds of times, but it has been a number of years, and I can't remember.? See the attached picture from the TR-4 Workshop Manual.? It shows the orientation of the distributor drive gear with the #1 piston at TDC in the firing position.? Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't tell from the picture if the slot in the drive gear is offset toward the block, or away from the block.? Please help.
Thanks.
Jack
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From solarant at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 08:17:26 2023
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:17:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation
In-Reply-To: <1684216564.8127459.1701010463157@mail.yahoo.com>
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Looks offset toward the block.
Confirm with distributor when rotor is pointed to No.1 plug wire location.



________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 9:54 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation

I must have done this hundreds of times, but it has been a number of years, and I can't remember.  See the attached picture from the TR-4 Workshop Manual.  It shows the orientation of the distributor drive gear with the #1 piston at TDC in the firing position.  Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't tell from the picture if the slot in the drive gear is offset toward the block, or away from the block.  Please help.

Thanks.

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Nov 26 11:29:24 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation
In-Reply-To: <SN7PR19MB75017781A919E29BE9469011D7BEA@SN7PR19MB7501.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN7PR19MB75017781A919E29BE9469011D7BEA@SN7PR19MB7501.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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The keyway is pointing away from the block. Easier to see than the offset.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2023, at 10:35?AM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looks offset toward the block.
> Confirm with distributor when rotor is pointed to No.1 plug wire location.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 9:54 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation
>  
> I must have done this hundreds of times, but it has been a number of years, and I can't remember.  See the attached picture from the TR-4 Workshop Manual.  It shows the orientation of the distributor drive gear with the #1 piston at TDC in the firing position.  Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't tell from the picture if the slot in the drive gear is offset toward the block, or away from the block.  Please help.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jack
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 26 13:28:32 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation
In-Reply-To: <1280874B-B47C-44B8-AF28-613FC84181A8@aol.com>
References: <SN7PR19MB75017781A919E29BE9469011D7BEA@SN7PR19MB7501.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <1280874B-B47C-44B8-AF28-613FC84181A8@aol.com>
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 Thanks Phil.? That's a big help.? I'm trying to set up a new electronic distributor for my street TR-3, and I don't have a TR distributor available for reference.
Jack

    On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 02:25:31 PM EST, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The keyway is pointing away from the block. Easier to see than the offset.Phil
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2023, at 10:35?AM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
Looks offset toward the block.
Confirm with distributor when rotor is pointed to No.1 plug wire location.



From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 9:54 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR-3/4 Distributor Drive Orientation?I must have done this hundreds of times, but it has been a number of years, and I can't remember.? See the attached picture from the TR-4 Workshop Manual.? It shows the orientation of the distributor drive gear with the #1 piston at TDC in the firing position.? Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't tell from the picture if the slot in the drive gear is offset toward the block, or away from the block.? Please help.
Thanks.
Jack
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Mon Nov 27 15:55:35 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:55:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Update on Registration for Black Friday Kastner Cup
 Discount
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Hello FOT,
 
Great FOT response!  We have nine (9) entries for the Kastner Cup at Sonoma and five cars for Laguna Seca.
 
Can we get one more signed up to get to ten?  Save $100 off registration today, and if you sign up for both races you'll get free testing at both tracks.
 
This is the link: 2024 Sonoma SpeedTour | SVRA https://svra.com/events/2024-sonoma-speedtour/
 
Curt Johnston
2024 Kastner Cup Race Commitee Chair
curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667

> On 11/22/2023 11:59 AM PST Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hello FOT,
>  
> SVRA has a Black Friday $100 registration discount going on now (Facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=733340082169845&set=a.625709139599607)
>  
> So this is a good time to sign up for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma Raceway.  Honestly, I usually sign up so late I have to pay the added fee.  But this year is different because SVRA has posted on Facebook a $100 registration discount.  We need a good showing of Triumphs to get two featured races and become the featured marque at Sonoma.  Also, if you sign up for both Sonoma and Laguna Seca SpeedTour races, SVRA will provide free test days through the Kastner Cup Race Committee.  In addition, with a strong FOT field at Laguna, SVRA has offered us a Triumph feature race as well; that would be so cool.
>  
> We have been asked to create a list of drivers signed up for both races.  SVRA will then provide each FOT/Kastner Cup driver free Thursday test days upon arrival/registration at the track (so don't pay for testing if you go to both races).  So send me an email if you'll be at both races.
>  
> On the flip side, if you can only attend one race, the Black Friday deal includes $50 off the Thursday Test Day registration.
>  
> This is the direct SVRA registration link: Events | SVRA https://svra.com/Events/?fbclid=IwAR2ZoIVZm0PsqhSAF9A0oRk4bznw9vQn7obtz0AgCs2kHDx5Oon_UYKRVhg
>  
> Curt Johnston
> 2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
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From fmccjr at aol.com  Mon Nov 27 17:09:31 2023
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 00:09:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Update on Registration for Black Friday Kastner Cup
 Discount
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I?ll sign up tomorrow, Curt. Or when I get home from tonight?s rehearsal?
Yep, I?m planning another ?big tow? for the spring.?If Laguna was the following week, id do that as well. (I?m not sure I can afford the down time between races!)
Maybe Mid Ohio on the way back to NY?
Rick McCurdy



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On Monday, November 27, 2023, 6:48 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Hello FOT,   ?   Great FOT response!? We have nine (9) entries for the Kastner Cup at Sonoma and five cars for Laguna Seca.   ?   Can we get one more signed up to get to ten?? Save $100 off registration today, and if you sign up for both races you'll get free testing at both tracks.   ?   This is the link: 2024 Sonoma SpeedTour | SVRA   ?   Curt Johnston   2024 Kastner Cup Race Commitee Chair   curt.johnston at comcast.net   707-249-1667  
  On 11/22/2023 11:59 AM PST Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?   Hello FOT,   ?   SVRA has a Black Friday $100 registration discount going on now (Facebook)   ?    So this is a good time to sign up for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma Raceway.? Honestly, I usually sign up so late I have to pay the added fee.? But this year is different because SVRA has posted on Facebook a $100 registration discount.? We need a good showing of Triumphs to get two featured races and become the featured marque at Sonoma.? Also, if you sign up for both Sonoma and Laguna Seca SpeedTour races, SVRA will provide free test days through the Kastner Cup Race Committee.? In addition, with a strong FOT field at Laguna, SVRA has offered us a Triumph feature race as well; that would be so cool.   ?   We have been asked to create a list of drivers signed up for both races.? SVRA will then provide each FOT/Kastner Cup driver free Thursday test days upon arrival/registration at the track (so don't pay for testing if you go to both races).? So send me an email if you'll be at both races.   ?   On the flip side, if you can only attend one race, the Black Friday deal includes $50 off the Thursday Test Day registration.   ?   This is the direct SVRA registration link: Events | SVRA   ?   Curt Johnston   2024 Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair   curt.johnston at comcast.net   707-249-1667   _______________________________________________ 
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From Dave at microworks.net  Wed Nov 29 09:44:29 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 09:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fun TR4 Story on Hagerty today
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https://www.hagerty.com/media/driving/the-special-life-of-a-very-special-car-ch-i-touring-europe-in-65/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_DailyDriver_Wednesday&hashed_email=c21d719f7a97c6e85f22b643b0e05891910305fb8d74c2cb3ef64d52795945ee&dtm_em=c21d719f7a97c6e85f22b643b0e05891910305fb8d74c2cb3ef64d52795945ee
The Special Life of a Very Special Car, Ch. I: Touring Europe in '65


It was late and very dark on that chilly September night when I found the entrance to the N?rburgring's front straight. The new German friends who had welcomed me to the 'Ring and shared their great German beer during (and well beyond) the day's six-hour race had told me that, for a single deutsche mark, I could drive a lap of the track before it closed. As I recall, that was about 25?.

As a just-out-of-school, 21-year-old, aspiring racecar driver in his brand-new 1966 Triumph TR4A<https://www.hagerty.com/valuation-tools/triumph/tr4a/1966/1966-triumph-tr4a>, how could I resist that temptation? At the end of a long day of race-watching and partying, I was tired but (as far as I could tell) not drunk. Why not enjoy a lap or two of perhaps the world's most challenging track?

As I waited in my red Triumph, I watched officials collecting money from a couple other cars. However, no one noticed me. I took off without paying. With no race training or experience, just high confidence and dim headlamps, I attacked that slow/fast, up/down, tricky/twisty, super-challenging track as I would any unfamiliar, hilly public two-lane-aggressively enough to explore the car's agility but leaving margin for error, since I had no idea what to expect over each crest or around the next bend.

Mash the gas, squeeze the brakes, downshift, corner, exit, upshift through long, fast curves, tighter corners, swoopy esses, crest-topping yumps, a couple of tightly banked circles (one was the 'Ring's famed "Karussell"), and a long, long, flat-out straight heading back to the pits.

The TR4A had felt nimble and responsive on the road, and it further impressed on the track. With its engine upgraded from the 1965 TR4's 100 hp to 104 hp and 132 lb-ft of torque, the car was not seriously fast but it accelerated eagerly through its slick four-speed manual. Steering was quick and responsive, the brakes strong and linear with no sign of fade, and its handling surprisingly good thanks partly to a set of Michelin radial tires. I encountered no other traffic and completed that 14.2-mile, 176-turn lap with a huge grin on my face and ready for another. Again, the officials didn't notice me, and I took off for a second cost-free lap. Whoopee!

I negotiated that one intact as well, then was approached by an official on my return. Uh-oh. He explained in his best English that they were about to close the track but that I could do one more lap for one deutsche mark. I fished the coin out of my pocket, handed it over, and launched down the straight for a third thrilling lap.

It was not entirely incident-free. Sailing down a fast hill, then braking for a left-hander, my foot slipped off the brake. Entering the curve too fast, the Triumph slid sideways into the right-side berm-thankfully not a guardrail or a drop-off. I felt a bump and heard a crunch as it scraped the dirt bank, then steered myself back on course. I was keenly aware that the car had no seat belts, so any crash would likely have pitched me out.

I was the last car out of the gate before officials swung it closed. Then I drove most of the night over the mountains on my way to Holland, where I intended to find and (if possible) drive the Zandvoort track, the site of Formula 1's Dutch Grands Prix. When I later stopped under a light to check the car for damage, I found just a slight dent and scrape low on its rocker.

I never repaired that minor N?rburgring damage. I saw it as a badge of honor: three thrilling night laps of the 'Ring for the price of one.
Genesis
This big adventure was mostly my father's fault. A farm kid from Nebraska who had raced hot rods on dirt in his youth, he sometimes took our family to a local quarter-mile asphalt track south of our Cleveland, Ohio, suburb, where we watched some fender-banging "stock" car racing. I instantly fell in love with it and wanted to race as soon as I was old enough and financially able. Much later, after getting my driver's license at 16, I discovered another, better local track and got a weekend job there selling beer out of a little red wagon. I pulled it around yelling, "Cold beer here!" during breaks in the action, made $1.00 per case ($5.00-7.00 a night), and enjoyed a few myself. (You had to be 18 to legally sell beer in Ohio, but they never checked my ID.)
When my freshman-year college roommate introduced me to sports-car road racing at the (now long-gone) Meadowdale track north of Chicago-which featured a treacherously rough, steeply banked, 180-degree "Monza Wall" curve-that instantly changed my plan. I saw Augie Pabst and other brave shoes compete in thundering SCCA C-Modified (think early Can Am) machines and watched future famous factory driver Bob Tullius win the D-Production class in a Triumph TR4. After that, I studied up on SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) racing and decided that D-Production would make a good starting point once I was out of school. The class seemed fast enough to be fun but relatively safe and, most importantly, the eligible cars were semi-affordable.

In my senior year at Duke in 1965, while plotting which DP car to buy, I talked a dealer into letting me test drive the three most common models competing in that class: Triumph TR4, MGB, and Austin Healey 3000. The six-cylinder Healey had the most power but felt heavy and somewhat clumsy, and its low-slung body was known for dragging off its exhaust system. The MGB was lighter and more agile but a bit down on power. So, partially influenced by that Tullius win I saw at Meadowdale, I settled on the TR4. Its 100-hp 2138-cc four felt strong and torquey, and, crucially, its slightly flared fenders would allow wider tires under SCCA rules.

Heading for the N?rburgring

My dad, bless his kind soul, co-signed a loan for me to buy the Triumph following graduation and arranged for me to pick it up at the UK factory. My plan was to tour Europe in it for three weeks before starting work at Chevrolet Engineering in Warren, Michigan. As I recall, I paid about $2400 for a red U.S.-spec TR4A roadster-the new, updated model with ride-smoothing independent rear suspension based upon that of the Triumph 2000 sedan-with an optional heater and (new at the time) Michelin X radial tires but without available overdrive, wire wheels, radio, or seatbelts. Beyond seeing what I could of Western Europe, one key trip objective was to visit as many Formula 1 tracks as I could find. My dad had no clue that I planned to race the car.

I took delivery at the plant near London on September 1, 1965, and headed to Dover to catch the ferry to Calais, France. It was my first time driving on the left side of the road; I had to constantly remind myself to stay left and drive clockwise around UK roundabouts. Once in France and back on the right side of the road, I aimed for Brussels, Belgium, on my way to Germany's famed N?rburgring. I didn't think to visit Le Mans, probably because it was not an F1 track. With very little traveling budget, I stayed in cheap (some free) youth "hostels" wherever I could.

Arriving at the 'Ring on a Sunday morning, I found that a six-hour FIA Group 1 race was about to start. So, I watched the start, which was done Le Mans-style, then settled on a convenient corner to take in the race. It wasn't long before a group of friendly young Germans invited me to join them and share their excellent beer. After the race, they asked me to stick around for more partying at a local pub. I was planning to head for Amsterdam that night but couldn't turn that invitation down. I played my guitar and entertained them with American folk songs, then, finally about to depart for the night's trip, they informed me that I could drive the track for a small fee.

Hello, Woter!

I found Spa in Belgium but couldn't lap it because it was mostly public roads. Only the pit-lane wall along the main highway revealed it as part of the famous F1 course. I spent a day and night in Amsterdam, a beautiful city with an eye-opening red-light district, where scantily clad women beckoned to passing tourists from apartment windows. I walked through the area and watched with interest but did not partake. The next day, I headed for Zandvoort.

Like the N?rburgring, that Dutch F1 track was open to anyone for a modest fee. Why did European racetracks do that? Probably to generate extra income between races by providing track-driving opportunities to European enthusiasts and, very importantly, because they didn't have to deal with legal liability and avaricious lawyers as we did even then in the States. If you paid the fee to drive the track in your street or race car, you did so at your own risk. If you crashed your car and maybe injured yourself and/or others, too bad. Not the track officials' problem. Lots of scary non-race crash videos from the N?rburgring show how often such unfortunate incidents still happen.

It was raining the day I drove Zandvoort. Since it was another challenging track, I was extra careful. My Michelins gave surprisingly good wet traction compared to the cheap bias-ply tires I had rolled on all my driving life. The only scary part was the one other car on course at the time: a very fast formula racer doing serious testing. I had to watch my mirrors constantly and be sure to make room every time he came around-at probably twice my speed.

Nearly six decades later, I don't recall where I headed from there. But the next thing that happened dramatically changed my memorable tour in the best possible way. I was having a tough time communicating in most places in France, Belgium, and Germany; few people were able or willing to speak English, and my second language was Spanish. Holland was the exception, and I soon learned why. Hoping for some English-speaking conversation and company, I picked up a young hitchhiker who I took to be either British or American. He turned out to be a Dutch medical student named Woter, who was returning home after a summer of mandatory military service on the Mediterranean. He told me that most educated Dutch were quadrilingual-fluent in French, German, and English in addition to their own language.

After some miles of driving and chatting, Woter asked whether he could travel with me for the next two weeks before he was due back in school. He seemed a very likable guy and good company, and his multi-language capability would come in handy. Sure, why not?

Denmark and Sweden

Woter suggested that we drive to Stockholm, Sweden, where he knew a woman friend. With little understanding of how far that really was (nearly 900 miles), I agreed. The good news: the route took us through much of Denmark and its beautiful Copenhagen capital, where I met a lovely college student and spent the night with her in her girls' dorm room. She insisted that it would be no problem, and it wasn't. But I was a tad uncomfortable in the shared shower the next morning. The arrangement seemed highly enlightened compared to the conservative values I grew up with in the States. I was liking enlightenment.

The bad news: Sweden, like the UK but unlike the rest of continental Europe, still drove on the left. (It changed to the right side two years later, in September, 1967.) So, I was back on the wrong side of the car on the wrong side of the road, and Woter became a very useful passenger as he leaned out of his right-side window to sight up the road and tell me when it was safe to pass a slower car on a two-lane highway. He even drove a bit when I needed a rest. He said he was an inexperienced driver, which made me nervous, but he did pretty well.

When we finally got to Stockholm, we met Woter's lady friend and enjoyed a nice dinner with her and her friend, a sweet and lovely young Swede named Lena. But there was no alcohol consumption, due to Sweden's extremely tough drunk-driving laws, and no hanky panky or overnight stay. The youth hostel down the street would have to do.

On to Berlin

I don't recall whose idea it was or when we decided to risk it, but we headed next to Berlin, some 700 miles from Stockholm, which in those days was still surrounded by Communist East Germany and divided east/west by a heavily fortified wall. Twenty-four years before Reagan's command to "Tear down this wall!" would be fulfilled, driving through oppressed East Germany to free West Berlin was a challenge that was definitely not recommended. But we were young and adventurous, and Woter spoke fluent German. What could go wrong? At least we would be back on the right side of the road once out of Sweden.

Well, we took a wrong exit off the autobahn while still in East Germany and immediately encountered uniformed guards with serious weapons. Woter patiently explained our mistake, the guards searched us and the car, then let us turn around and head back to the autobahn.

When we arrived at the border, we had to negotiate double checkpoints, one to exit East Germany, a second to enter West Berlin. At both were multiple long lines with no signs telling us which to stand in first, second, etc., but Woter's German got us through fairly easily. Then first the East German, then the West Berlin, guards thoroughly searched our Triumph, even using mirrors to check underneath the car for people<https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/this-austin-healey-sprite-escaped-east-germany-twice/> (or perhaps weapons).

Once safely inside the city, we explored a bit and took a good look at the famous wall that countless East Germans had attempted to cross, most of them quickly shot by guards in the towers that lined it. We did not hear of anyone ever trying to cross in the other direction. Then, after a restless night in a particularly barren youth hostel, we reversed the process, driving back through the double checkpoints and, eventually, out of East Germany.

Time was not our friend. We had just a couple days to get back to Calais, catch a ferry to Dover, and negotiate traffic to the London airport for me to catch my flight home. With just paper maps in various languages (no GPS those days), we faced some 600 miles of mostly two-lane driving, much of it through mountainous areas, to get to Calais. There would be no overnight stay and no time to explore any of England before I had to jump on the plane, and Woter would have to do his share of the driving while I caught brief rolling naps.

We made it ... just barely. And I had to trust Woter, my new, inexperienced-driver Dutch friend whom I had known just a couple weeks, to drop me at the airport and get the Triumph (now back on the wrong side of UK roads) to its departure port for shipment to the States. Then he would have to hitchhike back across the Channel and to his school in the Netherlands.

I had his contact information, but if he didn't deliver the car when and where it needed to be for whatever reason, how could I remotely track him down from back in the States and recover it? I did feel that I could trust him to get that done, but I worried about the car all the way home and for several more days until I got a letter from him and a notice from the shipping company that my now-well-broken-in new Triumph was on its way across the sea. Whew!




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From gt6racer at msn.com  Wed Nov 29 20:03:08 2023
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:03:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 heads - machining limit
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Hello all,
              Does anyone happen to know how far I can deck the large valve 1300 head part number 218143 (chamber ?depth? 0.58?, volume 45cc, 7.5CR) without getting too close to hitting water passages ?  It has the same casting 312240 as the head 218842, which has 0.46?, 35cc and CR 9:1 - so I?m thinking I can take it at least to that, but would like to go to 10:1, (about 0.41? chamber depth-allowing for some chamber shaping). I have small valve head ( casting 307871 ) that has been taken down from chamber depth 0.46? to 0.335? without issues - but that?s a different casting. My numbers come from Paul Geitner?s table on Auskellian.com, but they agree with measurements for the heads I have. Any advice appreciated?
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