From walje at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  1 16:11:44 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 17:11:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Friends

I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:

What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?

Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?

Thanks!

Dennis Walje

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed Mar  1 17:58:50 2023
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 00:58:50 +0000
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The TR 250k uses dash 6 flex/ braid hose from tank to carbs- 
Bendix blue dot pump with Holley pressure Reg . 

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> On Mar 1, 2023, at 4:45 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Mar  1 19:03:50 2023
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 21:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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I?m curious about the answer. My GT6 is currently in pieces, bodywork being done. The braided line ran from the fuel pump adjacent to the fuel cell, along the roll cage and out through the firewall. It?s worked great for ten years, but I?ve often wondered if i should have a steel line, and if it should be run outside the passenger compartment.  I like the flex of the braided line (AN fittings) and maybe it?s better protected in the passenger compartment then underneath the car?
The pump says purolator #42S, one of those little cube jobs, too noisy for a street car but fine in a race car.  My spare is identical, but is a Facet 12SV from Pegasus, so i think the Purolator is really a re-stickered Facet. Flows plenty of fuel through a large filter, enough pressure to feed triple webers through a Holley regulator to knock it down to 3 psi.


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> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:24 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 19:56:49 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 02:56:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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 I've been using the Facet cylindrical red top pumps in my TR3 for 20+ years.? I also use a Holley fuel pressure regulator.? When I re-plumped my car, after it sat for 10 years, I used the Summit Racing copper-nickel tubing from the cell (in the boot) up to the engine bay.? Added a Summit fuel filter with replaceable screen.? Braided hose (-6) from the filter to the regulator, then to the carb bowls.? Joe(B)
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 07:39:52 PM EST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Friends

I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:

What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?

Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?

Thanks!

Dennis Walje

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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 20:24:44 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 22:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal
rear end ratio for a TR4?  Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a
lower ratio?
Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Mar  2 02:49:11 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 09:49:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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Oh, hell yes!

I did the Runoffs there in 2011. Had a 4.55 in the Spitfire. My friend brought me a 3.89, but my first session was first group out Monday, no time to change it.
With the 4.55 in the car my 3-4 upshift was halfway up the hill after Turn 14.
With the 3.89 in the car my 3-4 upshift was under the starter stand.
--Rocky

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Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 9:25 PM
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Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?

Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal rear end ratio for a TR4?  Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a lower ratio?
Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Mar  2 05:23:55 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 07:23:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 07:08:39 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:08:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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 Hi Mike.? I won The June Sprints at Road America in 1989 and 1991 with my TR-4.? I used a 4.3 rear end gear and a close ratio (Dolomite) gearbox with overdrive.? Same set-up I used at Road Atlanta for The Runoffs.? The 4.3 gives a good gear for the tight corners (turn 5 and Canada corner) and the overdrive gave me plenty of top end.? Of course my red line was a little higher than yours (7.000) so you might have to adjust accordingly.? Good luck.
Jack

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 03:49:31 AM EST, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal rear end?ratio for a TR4?? Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a lower ratio?Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.??-- 
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 07:14:59 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:14:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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 When the mechanical pump failed on my Morgan 4/4 (1600 Ford engine) all of my fellow Morgan owners recommended the Facet electric fuel pump.? I had already had my fuel tank completely cleaned and sealed.? One year later, the Facet pump failed.? I couldn't find any dirt or gunk in the fuel lines or filter.? Perhaps this was a random failure, but this time I used a different fuel pump.
That's my experience.
Jack

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:45:34 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  I've been using the Facet cylindrical red top pumps in my TR3 for 20+ years.? I also use a Holley fuel pressure regulator.? When I re-plumped my car, after it sat for 10 years, I used the Summit Racing copper-nickel tubing from the cell (in the boot) up to the engine bay.? Added a Summit fuel filter with replaceable screen.? Braided hose (-6) from the filter to the regulator, then to the carb bowls.? Joe(B)
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 07:39:52 PM EST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Friends

I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:

What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?

Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?

Thanks!

Dennis Walje

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 07:17:05 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 09:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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On my GT6 I run a hard line (3/8" nicopp) outside along the frame, not
through the cockpit.  AN-6 braided hose where it connects at either end.

I use a Facet cylindrical pump 480532 and Holley regulator.

I've also added a small return line off of the front carb (furthest part of
the system), back to the fuel cell with a .040" orifice.  This keep the
fuel pressure more consistent,  and feeds the carbs with cooler fuel when
we are cooking in pit lane mid race for a black flag all.  This works great
on street cars too, especially with E10 fuel that likes to boil.

I use a "fuel pump controller" from Revolution Electronics that shuts off
the fuel pump if it doesn't sense a tach signal in the ignition system.
Yes, it adds more complexity to the system, but it makes me feel safer vs a
simple toggle switch controlling the pump.  There's also a VW fuel pump
relay that does the same thing, but some have a rev limit built in (I
learned that one the hard way....).

Jason Sukey




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> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I
> would value any leadership:
>
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
>
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dennis Walje
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 07:51:10 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:51:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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 My TR3 had braided fuel line running thru the inside of the car for many years, but when the old braided lines started springing leaks I decided to change to a copper-nickel line under the car, protected by frame rails.? SCCA allows braided line inside the car, but Champcar requires that braid be enclosed in a metal enclosure or conduit if inside the car.? I suspect that they had seen problems with leaks or fires from braid in the car. Most safety rules are written in blood.
Conversely, SCCA does not allow the copper-nickel line inside the car.? Must be steel line or steel braided hose.? I don't know the vintage rules to comment on those.? Joe(B)
    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:34:17 AM EST, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?m curious about the answer. My GT6 is currently in pieces, bodywork being done. The braided line ran from the fuel pump adjacent to the fuel cell, along the roll cage and out through the firewall. It?s worked great for ten years, but I?ve often wondered if i should have a steel line, and if it should be run outside the passenger compartment.? I like the flex of the braided line (AN fittings) and maybe it?s better protected in the passenger compartment then underneath the car?
The pump says purolator #42S, one of those little cube jobs, too noisy for a street car but fine in a race car.? My spare is identical, but is a Facet 12SV from Pegasus, so i think the Purolator is really a re-stickered Facet. Flows plenty of fuel through a large filter, enough pressure to feed triple webers through a Holley regulator to knock it down to 3 psi.



  
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 07:53:08 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:53:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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 Road America is a high-speed track. You won't get under 3:00 with a 4.10. You'll be out of revs half-way down most of the straights. a 3.70 or 3.45 would be better choices. Gear for 115+ on the front straight, the back straight and the Kink to Canada.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 03:39:29 AM EST, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal rear end?ratio for a TR4?? Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a lower ratio?Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.??-- 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Mar  2 08:19:10 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 09:19:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 08:40:07 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 15:40:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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 I do not recommend a steel line anywhere on a race car except between carbs - a steel line anywhere in the system could get kinked and split open in a wreck of any kind (things bend and sometimes pop back some)? - I always run a -6 braided line front to back down the tunnel, be sure to leave some extra along the way and mount in a few places, as mentioned elsewhere do not route it between bits that can trap it / never had any failures, no heat issues and never any comments from tech
Ralph
    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 08:57:20 AM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  When the mechanical pump failed on my Morgan 4/4 (1600 Ford engine) all of my fellow Morgan owners recommended the Facet electric fuel pump.? I had already had my fuel tank completely cleaned and sealed.? One year later, the Facet pump failed.? I couldn't find any dirt or gunk in the fuel lines or filter.? Perhaps this was a random failure, but this time I used a different fuel pump.
That's my experience.
Jack

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:45:34 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  I've been using the Facet cylindrical red top pumps in my TR3 for 20+ years.? I also use a Holley fuel pressure regulator.? When I re-plumped my car, after it sat for 10 years, I used the Summit Racing copper-nickel tubing from the cell (in the boot) up to the engine bay.? Added a Summit fuel filter with replaceable screen.? Braided hose (-6) from the filter to the regulator, then to the carb bowls.? Joe(B)
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 07:39:52 PM EST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Friends

I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:

What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?

Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?

Thanks!

Dennis Walje

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Mar  2 09:05:10 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:05:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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Mike, when I ran an overdrive, I was running a 4.11 rear end. Without 
it, I run a 3.8 (Ford diff), and have seen 6300 or 6400 at the end of 
the straights, but that's a really hot lap.? I normally peak at 6100 or 
6200.? 3.7 would be somewhat better, 3.5 I've not tried but should keep 
you under 6K.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 3/1/2023 9:24 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote:
> Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the 
> ideal rear end?ratio for a TR4?? Last time (2013) it seemed I could 
> have used a lower ratio?
> Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
> I Redline at 6000 RPM.
> -- 
> /Mike Deweerd/
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Mar  2 10:25:45 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 12:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Mines a TR3a

Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs

Todd

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Mar  2 10:25:45 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 12:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Mines a TR3a

Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs

Todd

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 10:26:42 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 17:26:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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 Addendum: 4.10 and o/d and you might be okay. Just checked my calcs on this. But 4.10 and no o/d and you'll redline in a lot of places at RA

Note: my assumptions are with 24 in tall tires on a TR6.
Also, I'm more concerned about chucking a rod or breaking the crank than how well I can pull out of any corner. So under 6k RPM is my rule of thumb.
Regards,rml

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 11:39:15 AM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Road America is a high-speed track. You won't get under 3:00 with a 4.10. You'll be out of revs half-way down most of the straights. a 3.70 or 3.45 would be better choices. Gear for 115+ on the front straight, the back straight and the Kink to Canada.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 03:39:29 AM EST, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal rear end?ratio for a TR4?? Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a lower ratio?Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.??-- 
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From bownes at web9.com  Thu Mar  2 11:10:47 2023
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 13:10:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Adel clamps are your friend here. I'm not worried about being overweight,
so I put one about every 8-10". Same for all the lines, cables, and wires.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 12:51?PM ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I do not recommend a steel line anywhere on a race car except between
> carbs - a steel line anywhere in the system could get kinked and split open
> in a wreck of any kind (things bend and sometimes pop back some)  - I
> always run a -6 braided line front to back down the tunnel, be sure to
> leave some extra along the way and mount in a few places, as mentioned
> elsewhere do not route it between bits that can trap it / never had any
> failures, no heat issues and never any comments from tech
>
> Ralph
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 08:57:20 AM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> When the mechanical pump failed on my Morgan 4/4 (1600 Ford engine) all of
> my fellow Morgan owners recommended the Facet electric fuel pump.  I had
> already had my fuel tank completely cleaned and sealed.  One year later,
> the Facet pump failed.  I couldn't find any dirt or gunk in the fuel lines
> or filter.  Perhaps this was a random failure, but this time I used a
> different fuel pump.
>
> That's my experience.
>
> Jack
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:45:34 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've been using the Facet cylindrical red top pumps in my TR3 for 20+
> years.  I also use a Holley fuel pressure regulator.  When I re-plumped my
> car, after it sat for 10 years, I used the Summit Racing copper-nickel
> tubing from the cell (in the boot) up to the engine bay.  Added a Summit
> fuel filter with replaceable screen.  Braided hose (-6) from the filter to
> the regulator, then to the carb bowls.  Joe(B)
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 07:39:52 PM EST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Friends
>
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I
> would value any leadership:
>
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
>
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dennis Walje
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From fmccjr at aol.com  Thu Mar  2 14:30:28 2023
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 21:30:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed.?
?
Gods luck with your fuel lines!


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On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Mines a TR3a

Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs

Todd

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 16:21:17 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:21:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Best gear ratio?
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References: <CAHAH3R7uPiei8GwtPUQc-iPcMr6qb0ibdgjHmU+ce8jdYHX8nw@mail.gmail.com>
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 As a point of reference, I checked some of my old results sheets, and I was turning laps in the 2:41s with an SCCA legal TR-4 with slick tires.? This was 1989 - 1991, and I don't think the track has changed since then.
Jack

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 03:49:35 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Addendum: 4.10 and o/d and you might be okay. Just checked my calcs on this. But 4.10 and no o/d and you'll redline in a lot of places at RA

Note: my assumptions are with 24 in tall tires on a TR6.
Also, I'm more concerned about chucking a rod or breaking the crank than how well I can pull out of any corner. So under 6k RPM is my rule of thumb.
Regards,rml

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 11:39:15 AM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Road America is a high-speed track. You won't get under 3:00 with a 4.10. You'll be out of revs half-way down most of the straights. a 3.70 or 3.45 would be better choices. Gear for 115+ on the front straight, the back straight and the Kink to Canada.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 03:39:29 AM EST, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Amici, For the kastner cup Race at Road America what would be the ideal rear end?ratio for a TR4?? Last time (2013) it seemed I could have used a lower ratio?Would a 3.50 be the better choice over the 4.10 I have in the car now?
I Redline at 6000 RPM.??-- 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 18:13:18 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:13:18 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Try hamsters, they are much more focused.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank
> to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to
> the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them.
> That?s when I get passed.
>
> ?
>
> Gods luck with your fuel lines!
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Mines a TR3a
>
> Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the
> chassis almost as original to the SU carbs
>
> Todd
>
> > On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Friends
> >
> > I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1.
> I would value any leadership:
> >
> > What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided
> stainless?
> >
> > Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dennis Walje
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 18:24:41 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 19:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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I didn't know those clamps had a proper name. Thanks Google Search Secure
Search function.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 2:35?PM robert bownes via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
> Adel clamps are your friend here. I'm not worried about being overweight,
> so I put one about every 8-10". Same for all the lines, cables, and wires.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 12:51?PM ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I do not recommend a steel line anywhere on a race car except between
>> carbs - a steel line anywhere in the system could get kinked and split open
>> in a wreck of any kind (things bend and sometimes pop back some)  - I
>> always run a -6 braided line front to back down the tunnel, be sure to
>> leave some extra along the way and mount in a few places, as mentioned
>> elsewhere do not route it between bits that can trap it / never had any
>> failures, no heat issues and never any comments from tech
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 08:57:20 AM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When the mechanical pump failed on my Morgan 4/4 (1600 Ford engine) all
>> of my fellow Morgan owners recommended the Facet electric fuel pump.  I had
>> already had my fuel tank completely cleaned and sealed.  One year later,
>> the Facet pump failed.  I couldn't find any dirt or gunk in the fuel lines
>> or filter.  Perhaps this was a random failure, but this time I used a
>> different fuel pump.
>>
>> That's my experience.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:45:34 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been using the Facet cylindrical red top pumps in my TR3 for 20+
>> years.  I also use a Holley fuel pressure regulator.  When I re-plumped my
>> car, after it sat for 10 years, I used the Summit Racing copper-nickel
>> tubing from the cell (in the boot) up to the engine bay.  Added a Summit
>> fuel filter with replaceable screen.  Braided hose (-6) from the filter to
>> the regulator, then to the carb bowls.  Joe(B)
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 07:39:52 PM EST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Friends
>>
>> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I
>> would value any leadership:
>>
>> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided
>> stainless?
>>
>> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dennis Walje
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 18:25:35 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 20:25:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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And they come with their own roll cage

?
jim    W4BEA
Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7

> On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:20 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Try hamsters, they are much more focused.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed. 
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Gods luck with your fuel lines!
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> 
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Mines a TR3a
>> 
>> Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> > On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?Friends
>> > 
>> > I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
>> > 
>> > What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
>> > 
>> > Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>> > 
>> > Thanks!
>> > 
>> > Dennis Walje
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  3 08:33:17 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 09:33:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Great advise on installing my fuel system. Thank you all!  Does anyone know if fuel delivery by live critters is legal in mot sanctioning bodies?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:18 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?And they come with their own roll cage
> 
> ?
> jim    W4BEA
> Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:20 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Try hamsters, they are much more focused.
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed. 
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Gods luck with your fuel lines!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mines a TR3a
>>> 
>>> Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> > On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > ?Friends
>>> > 
>>> > I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
>>> > 
>>> > What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
>>> > 
>>> > Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > 
>>> > Dennis Walje
>>> > 
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  3 08:37:36 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 09:37:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2023, at 9:33 AM, DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Great advise on installing my fuel system. Thank you all!  Does anyone know if fuel delivery by live critters is legal in mot sanctioning bodies?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:18 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?And they come with their own roll cage
>> 
>> ?
>> jim    W4BEA
>> Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:20 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Try hamsters, they are much more focused.
>>> 
>>> Bob Kramer
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed. 
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> Gods luck with your fuel lines!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mines a TR3a
>>>> 
>>>> Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs
>>>> 
>>>> Todd
>>>> 
>>>> > On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > ?Friends
>>>> > 
>>>> > I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
>>>> > 
>>>> > What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
>>>> > 
>>>> > Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
>>>> > 
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> > 
>>>> > Dennis Walje
>>>> > 
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> > fot at autox.team.net
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  3 08:52:43 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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 As long as the squirrels have 2-layer nomex suits, they should be fine...
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 09:45:33 AM CST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Great advise on installing my fuel system. Thank you all! ?Does anyone know if fuel delivery by live critters is legal in mot sanctioning bodies?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:18 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
And they come with their own roll cage

?jim ? ?W4BEAFat-thumbed from my iPhone7

On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:20 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Try hamsters, they are much more focused.
Bob Kramer

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed.?
?
Gods luck with your fuel lines!


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Mines a TR3a

Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs

Todd

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 11:02:03 2023
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 13:02:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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From fmccjr at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 13:51:18 2023
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 20:51:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel system
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Hmmm,?So that?s?why mine are slow with delivery (and the car smells like race gas after the race). The suits are too big!?


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On Friday, March 3, 2023, 1:20 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

As a tech inspector I would require that they be tethered?.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? As long as the squirrels have 2-layer nomex suits, they should be fine...
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 09:45:33 AM CST, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Great advise on installing my fuel system. Thank you all! ?Does anyone know if fuel delivery by live critters is legal in mot sanctioning bodies?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:18 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
And they come with their own roll cage

?jim ? ?W4BEAFat-thumbed from my iPhone7

On Mar 2, 2023, at 8:20 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Try hamsters, they are much more focused.
Bob Kramer

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:06?PM fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a quartet of squirrels that do a bucket brigade from the fuel tank to the carbs when I?m running. Sometimes they don?t get quite enough up to the motor so I can be seen randomly slowing down and cursing at them. That?s when I get passed.?
?
Gods luck with your fuel lines!


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Thursday, March 2, 2023, 2:44 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Mines a TR3a

Facet fuel pump and filter and braided line from fuel cell through the chassis almost as original to the SU carbs

Todd

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 7:37 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends
> 
> I am ready to install fuel system from cell to engine on my 68 GT6 MK1. I would value any leadership:
> 
> What is best- hard line from pump to engine to engine or braided stainless?
> 
> Any thoughts on best electric fuel pump?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Mar  4 07:30:28 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2023 09:30:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VRG Driver Development program is accepting applications
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR01MB6804CA4483327DE879677449BDB09@BL3PR01MB6804.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <1139926335482.1101267832392.23.0.381930JL.2002@synd.ccsend.com>
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Disclaimer, I volunteered to help with the VRG drivers school, and was
asked to get the word out there about the two programs the school
offers. Both programs run at Summit Point Motorsports Park in West
Viginia.  

The licensing school runs just prior to the Jefferson 500, and could be
best bang for your buck these days to get a racing credential from a VMC
accredited sanctioning body. Graduates of the school have always given
the program great reviews, you do the on-track exercises in your own
race car plus get a lot of skid pad time in an ex-police Crown Vic.  

The Advanced/Refresher Clinic is a one day program designed for current
drivers to up thier game, or to get licensed drivers who may have been
off track for some time back up to speed, so to speak.  

The email blast I copied below has more details. 

Typically, by this time of the year both programs are oversubscribed,
but we still have slots available for both programs. If you know anybody
thinking of jumping into the sport, or think your skills could benefit
from a refresher, 2023 would be a great year to do it! 

Cheers 

Henry Frye 

> [1] 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Get into the Game with the VRG Licensing School [2] 
> 
> Or 
> 
> Up your Game with the VRG Advanced/Refresher Clinic [3] 
> 
> If you or someone you know has been thinking about joining in the fun of vintage racing, they couldn't find a better way to begin their journey than with the highly regarded VRG Licensing School [2], which will start May 16th and end May18th, just before the annual Jefferson 500 vintage racing festival at West Virginia's Summit Point Raceway (May 18-21). The licensing school has been designed for students with little or no racing experience. 
> 
> The school is staffed to almost a 1 to 1 student/instructor ratio. There's a lot to learn in a relatively short amount of time and that personal contact is important to making sure each student gets comfortable with driving their vintage race cars on the track while making sure they do so safely in the presence of other, faster cars/drivers. Throughout the school, emphasis is placed on understanding and adhering to safety rules and situational awareness, understanding what is going on all around in order to make good, safe decisions. Successful licensing school graduates are awarded a VRG provisional competition license and can use their new license to race in the Jefferson 500 that weekend. 
> 
> The VRG Licensing School [2] combines on-line pre-work, classroom lecture, on-track exercises and individual coaching to fully prepare students at all levels for safe and fun wheel to wheel vintage racing. As a member of the Vintage Motorsports Council, VRG competition licenses are widely accepted by other clubs. 
> 
> Those on-track exercises are everybody's favorite!  
> 
> A series of braking/handling exercises allows students to safely build experience with threshold braking, heel-toe downshifting and how to balance brakes, throttle and steering to optimize speed through corners. Students will learn the subtleties of oversteer/understeer balance at the limits of adhesion in a series of skid pad exercises led by our SPTF (Summit Point Training Facility) partners using the SPTF training vehicles. 
> 
> On the main track, students move from simple exercises designed to teach them their way around the track, including locating flag stations and the basic racing line before learning safe high-speed wheel-to-wheel driving, passing and racing starts. 
> 
> Our expectation throughout the exercises is for students to demonstrate safe, predictable behavior and to become comfortable with high speed, wheel-to-wheel vintage racing.  
> 
> Things kick off with Tuesday night's classroom sessions focusing on situational awareness and how drivers need to respond. Instructors use a variety of techniques including videos of actual on-track situations to facilitate discussions about what is happening in those clips and what the appropriate driver responses should be.   
> 
> Wednesday is almost entirely dedicated to on track work with a few shorter classroom sessions. 
> 
> On Thursday it all comes together as we will be focusing on race starts and again using video clips and discussions to teach the students how to grid, drive pace laps and how to handle the starts themselves. We all know race starts can be one of the most exciting and challenging parts of any race, particularly for newcomers! Our objective is to prepare the students to safely and successfully participate in race starts at the Jefferson 500 and in the future. 
> 
> Registration for the VRG Licensing School [2] is open now. There are only a limited number of slots available and they are filling up fast so if you know someone who is interested, they should register as soon as possible!   
> 
> The VRG Advanced & Refresher Clinic [3] is a one day, very intensive program for experienced racers and for former racers who have been away from racing for an extended period. The Clinic not only reinforces all the technical and safety practices taught in the licensing school, but is also designed to give participants an opportunity to learn more advanced vintage racing skills in SPTF cars (the legendary Crown Vics) and then practice those skills in their own cars. 
> 
> The increased car control and confidence generated allows Clinic attendees to drive with more skill and can move them further forward in any race field. As mentioned, this Clinic is also a great way for experienced racers who have been away from the sport for some time or who's original licenses have expired to knock a lot of rust off while paving the way for them to get a VRG Competition license. 
> 
> Because of the intense advanced level of instruction there is again a close student to instructor ratio and the number of participants is very limited. If you have interest in attending this years Clinic, you'll need to register right away to be able to reserve a spot. 
> 
> For more information or to sign up for the school go to https://vrgonline.org [1] 
> 
> Denny Austin 
> 
> Chief Instructor - VRG 
> 
> _Denny Austin started racing in 1969 at Marlboro Park Speedway and began instructing in 1974. These days he races his Zink Z10 in VRG's Formula Ford Challenge Series. Away from the track Denny is an adjunct professor of strategic leadership in several graduate-level programs._ 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Contact Us [4] 
> 
> ?
 

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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Mar  4 10:53:53 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:53:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re- lubing u joints w/o grease fittings?
Message-ID: <65ACB8A1-D891-4144-97F8-9B8CC4EE0BF7@me.com>

Arguably greased for life? I?ve got the car apart, there was no play in the spicer joints when assembled, any point in disassembling and greasing?  If so, can i just add more grease or does everything need to be cleaned (in that case, fugeddaboutit!)

Sent from my iPhone

From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Mar  4 12:20:38 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2023 14:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Re- lubing u joints w/o grease fittings?
In-Reply-To: <65ACB8A1-D891-4144-97F8-9B8CC4EE0BF7@me.com>
References: <65ACB8A1-D891-4144-97F8-9B8CC4EE0BF7@me.com>
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Not a good idea to mix greases. Usually it is ok, but I have seen cases where the result has been severe corrosion (hard experience). Best to clean it all out and start fresh, or leave it be.
Phil Gott 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Arguably greased for life? I?ve got the car apart, there was no play in the spicer joints when assembled, any point in disassembling and greasing?  If so, can i just add more grease or does everything need to be cleaned (in that case, fugeddaboutit!)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Mar  4 13:59:14 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2023 20:59:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Re- lubing u joints w/o grease fittings?
In-Reply-To: <65ACB8A1-D891-4144-97F8-9B8CC4EE0BF7@me.com>
References: <65ACB8A1-D891-4144-97F8-9B8CC4EE0BF7@me.com>
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 If the action feels good in both directions, there's no end-play, & the cups aren't turning, they're likely OK.Often an early sign of failure is when the cups start to turn; I paint reference marks on the end of the cup & yoke so it's obvious if they're moving around.Personally if I were to go through the effort of removing them for servicing, they're cheap enough that I would fit new ones & 0-time it...

Glen Efinger


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 4, 2023 12:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Re- lubing u joints w/o grease fittings?

Arguably greased for life? I?ve got the car apart, there was no play in the spicer joints when assembled, any point in disassembling and greasing?? If so, can i just add more grease or does everything need to be cleaned (in that case, fugeddaboutit!)

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From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Mar  7 12:49:14 2023
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (dkettler1 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2023 13:49:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] COS_OC_Resi_OfficeOnly_Email
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Mar  7 17:46:29 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2023 17:46:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] COS etc.
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References: <BE382BA5-1B04-434D-B552-4CB0F2C6C510@hxcore.ol>
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Hopefully no one clicked on the link in that email, supposedly from 
David Kettler.? Looks like he has been compromised.? Too bad there is no 
easy way to stop such spam from getting through now and then.

mjb.



From clw2000 at msn.com  Wed Mar  8 07:51:55 2023
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Chuck WATSON)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 14:51:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Selling My GT6+ Race Car Project
Message-ID: <PH7PR11MB6955581D862E32F2389D5DFEBFB49@PH7PR11MB6955.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

This is going to be a quick and dirty overview.  Looking through my parts and photos it would be a huge undertaking to describe all that I have and have done.  I have acquired literally 98% of what is needed for a full race car and completed bodywork, roll cage, and many other things.  It is basically a car that needs to be put together.

Body/Frame:
Seam welded frame
Body work completed.  Currently in epoxy primer until all racing mods are test fitted.  Then would be ready for disassembly and paint.
Lowered floor pan for tall driver.
Nascar style full roll cage along with body work totaled over $13,000.
Interior fully painted.
Polycarbonate sheets for side/rear windows if desired.
New FG front spoiler (and spare) - not yet fitted

Engine
Rebuild by Hap Waldrop in Greenville SC (Acme Racing).  Acme can complete engine or sell as-is.  New rods from Wishbone, oil enhancement work, new pistons/rings, race cams, etc.  Crank magnafluxed and nitrided.  No expense spared.  Still needs head decked to desired compression ratio, heads ported and then reassembly.
New bespoke Wishbone exhaust.  Bungs for AFR monitors.
New aluminum end plates from Joe Alexander
New lightweight everything - alloy water pump, alternator, etc.
Triple Weber carbs (Spain) with stepped manifold and all hardware (brand new)
Will need radiator.

Gearbox/Drivetrain
TR6 short ratio gearbox purchased from FOT racer.  Newly rebuilt, new synchros.  Bespoke GT6 slave system installed.
GT6 and TR6 prop shafts (take flange from each for conversion)
Rebuilt differential with new Quaife LSD
Spec stage 3 clutch

Suspension
New race shocks and springs
New rear axles from Jigsaw Racing in England (and many other parts from them)
New wheel bearings.
New race bushings.
New aluminum front adjustable wishbones
Assortment of newly powdercoated sway bars.
New HD steering rack and original rack

Other
New Tilton overhung 2 pedal aluminum pedal set with dual MC valves
New ATL fuel cell
New Kirkey seat
Many more items from Ted at TSI, Richard at Goodeparts, Jigsaw, Kai at Wishbone, etc.  All best quality components.
Literally hundreds more items

I have about $60,000 invested.  Listing at $16K firm for all the above and everything else I have, which is a lot. Worth a lot more as parts, but time is money.  Tons of documentation, research materials, photos, notes, books, etc.  Clean title in my name.  Engine in Greenville SC, everything else in Hendersonville NC (30 mins from Greenville).

https://photobucket.com/u/thewatson1/a/d54a6511-7296-44e8-b9f5-a01df0bc6d52


Please contact me directly at clw2000 at msn.com if interested.


Thanks,
Chuck Watson
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 12:32:04 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Valve Springs
References: <1271397995.641489.1678303924692.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well friends, I'm a bit stuck on the TR-3 build...I have a BFE M24 race cam (0.555 total lift x 322 duration) and unfortunately the spring supplier is no longer with us, so I wasn't able to get springs. Does anyone have a potential, alternate source, or a set of BFE race springs they would be willing to part with?
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 10:22:37 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Pressure
Message-ID: <CAELLCgezpAJshh6dCxLdhtmaO3KrNL44AdDhC5X=2YQGBh3jpg@mail.gmail.com>

I recently acquired a fuel pressure checking kit so I decided to check the
fuel pressure going into and coming out of the regulator on my Spitfire.
 I had about 6 psi going in and 3 psi coming out.  Just as it should be, or
at least that is what I have heard.  I have dual SUs.

I'm looking for confirmation or thoughts about the fuel pressure.

Also, what spark plugs to use with my newly rebuilt 1300 with a shaved head
and forged pistons.  I'm running 110 octane.  I don't doubt this
discussion has been had already so if somebody can direct me to a thread
that would be great.

Thanks
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Mar 10 12:20:25 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Pressure
In-Reply-To: <CAELLCgezpAJshh6dCxLdhtmaO3KrNL44AdDhC5X=2YQGBh3jpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAELLCgezpAJshh6dCxLdhtmaO3KrNL44AdDhC5X=2YQGBh3jpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Rod, SU's without grose jets (don't use those) should be fine at 3 psi 
in my experience.? We were able to run them up to 6 or 7 psi when pushed.

If the regulator works fine for you, no issues.? A problem we ran into 
years ago was fuel shutting off at the end of long straights (like at 
Road America - 3 1/2 mile long straights).? Eventually we figured out 
the regulator was getting deadlocked - the differential between the 
input and output pressure wasn't enough to keep it cycling so we had to 
go to a higher pressure fuel pump.? There's actually a regulator in the 
pump as well and that can fight the downstream one apparently.? If it 
aint broke, don't fix it - but if you run into issues with fuel 
starvation after long pulls it's something to look into.

No input on the spark plugs.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 3/10/2023 11:22 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot wrote:
> I recently acquired?a fuel pressure checking kit so I decided to check 
> the fuel pressure going into and coming out of the regulator on?my 
> Spitfire.? ?I had about 6 psi going in and 3 psi coming out.? Just as 
> it should be, or at least that is what I have heard.? I have dual SUs.
>
> I'm looking for confirmation or thoughts about the fuel pressure.
>
> Also, what spark plugs to use with my newly rebuilt 1300 with a shaved 
> head and forged pistons.? I'm running 110 octane.? I don't doubt this 
> discussion?has been had already so if somebody can direct me to a 
> thread that would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Mar 10 12:33:53 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Pressure
In-Reply-To: <CAELLCgezpAJshh6dCxLdhtmaO3KrNL44AdDhC5X=2YQGBh3jpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAELLCgezpAJshh6dCxLdhtmaO3KrNL44AdDhC5X=2YQGBh3jpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <249174955.1567812.1678476833059@mail.yahoo.com>

 Those are good numbers on the fuel pressure.Too many other unknown variables for best plug, a fine-wire type like maybe B8 or B9EV NGK, if you can find them.
Glen Efinger

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 10, 2023 12:22 pm
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Pressure

I recently acquired?a fuel pressure checking kit so I decided to check the fuel pressure going into and coming out of the regulator on?my Spitfire.? ?I had about 6 psi going in and 3 psi coming out.? Just as it should be, or at least that is what I have heard.? I have dual SUs.
I'm looking for confirmation or thoughts about the fuel pressure.
Also, what spark plugs to use with my newly rebuilt 1300 with a shaved head and forged pistons.? I'm running 110 octane.? I don't doubt this discussion?has been had already so if somebody can direct me to a thread that would be great.
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Mar 10 13:26:58 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 20:26:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Pressure
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Interesting, although we run Weber's, as does Tony, 3 to 3.5 psi works fine on courses without long straights,  but the long straights at VIR, Road Atlanta, Summit Point & Savannah found us having fuel starvation problems near the end of the straight; so we had to up the pressure at the regulator to solve this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 2:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Pressure

Rod, SU's without grose jets (don't use those) should be fine at 3 psi in my experience.? We were able to run them up to 6 or 7 psi when pushed.

If the regulator works fine for you, no issues.? A problem we ran into years ago was fuel shutting off at the end of long straights (like at Road America - 3 1/2 mile long straights).? Eventually we figured out the regulator was getting deadlocked - the differential between the input and output pressure wasn't enough to keep it cycling so we had to go to a higher pressure fuel pump.? There's actually a regulator in the pump as well and that can fight the downstream one apparently.? If it aint broke, don't fix it - but if you run into issues with fuel starvation after long pulls it's something to look into.

No input on the spark plugs.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 3/10/2023 11:22 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot wrote:
> I recently acquired?a fuel pressure checking kit so I decided to check 
> the fuel pressure going into and coming out of the regulator on?my 
> Spitfire.? ?I had about 6 psi going in and 3 psi coming out.? Just as 
> it should be, or at least that is what I have heard.? I have dual SUs.
>
> I'm looking for confirmation or thoughts about the fuel pressure.
>
> Also, what spark plugs to use with my newly rebuilt 1300 with a shaved 
> head and forged pistons.? I'm running 110 octane.? I don't doubt this 
> discussion?has been had already so if somebody can direct me to a 
> thread that would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
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From bbtr250 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 16:19:06 2023
From: bbtr250 at gmail.com (Bryan Brazelton)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 17:19:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Radiators
Message-ID: <CAEAi9oNAh++Ys_j0XNdn_Wt1KYa5PE4tmn0LA1VBjpsAzBhRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Group, I am looking for recommendations on what Aluminum Radiator is
the best for competition on the TR3 . I like the ones with fan
brackets made onto the body of the radiator like the Wizard Radiator but it
is on a 2 row instead of the others that are 3 rows.  Does anyone have
experience with this?

-- 
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901-277-7415
John Friderici's Purple People Eater  (59 TR 3 Racer)
Jack Wheelers #11 TR 4A
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Mon Mar 13 18:00:41 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 17:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Radiators
In-Reply-To: <CAEAi9oNAh++Ys_j0XNdn_Wt1KYa5PE4tmn0LA1VBjpsAzBhRBg@mail.gmail.com>
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I run a wizard radiator in my TR3 in the hot California sun. No problemo

~Steve


> On Mar 13, 2023, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Brazelton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello Group, I am looking for recommendations on what Aluminum Radiator is the best for competition on the TR3 . I like the ones with fan brackets made onto the body of the radiator like the Wizard Radiator but it is on a 2 row instead of the others that are 3 rows.  Does anyone have experience with this?
> 
> -- 
> Bryan B.
> 
> 901-277-7415
> John Friderici's Purple People Eater  (59 TR 3 Racer)
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Mar 14 05:20:44 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 07:20:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Radiators
In-Reply-To: <29A79E8A-6102-4FB1-955D-3D06B56BFA3A@artwithcars.com>
References: <CAEAi9oNAh++Ys_j0XNdn_Wt1KYa5PE4tmn0LA1VBjpsAzBhRBg@mail.gmail.com>
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I dropped a Wizard radiator into Old Blue and it solved the cooling
issues Dentinger experienced for years in the old TR3. Actually, I have
Wizard products installed in a couple street cars as well, they work. If
they keep a Stag cool, they must have figured something out.  

One caveat worth mentioning, both Steve's car and mine run the early
small mouth valance, which does not require much in additional ducting.
On the wide mouth cars, a good ducting solution is critical. If I were
racing a TR3A with that big grill, I would be so tempted to run an
oversized radiator and the obligatory thermostat, that has been my
solution with the TR4 and the TR250. I have seen it done in a TR3, I
will admit you need to get a bit more creative with the limited space
available. 

I never saw the need for a fan in a race car, if you know when to run
the thing, and more importantly when to shut it down, why bother? 

Henry  

On 2023-03-13 20:00, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:

> I run a wizard radiator in my TR3 in the hot California sun. No problemo
> 
> ~Steve 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2023, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Brazelton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Group, I am looking for recommendations on what Aluminum Radiator is the best for competition on the TR3 . I like the ones with fan brackets made onto the body of the radiator like the Wizard Radiator but it is on a 2 row instead of the others that are 3 rows.  Does anyone have experience with this?
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 06:07:54 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 12:07:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Radiators
In-Reply-To: <092af3d28e6ad38574df05b033e79ca8@tr4racer.com>
References: <CAEAi9oNAh++Ys_j0XNdn_Wt1KYa5PE4tmn0LA1VBjpsAzBhRBg@mail.gmail.com>
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 Henry, I know you and I have chatted about this in the past. I get the "it's just one more thing to break" philosophy. But IMHO, cracking a cylinder head that's run hot with umpteen hours of messaging, not to mention $$$ heaved at it, is not worth saving a few bux$ and labor hours by skipping the rad.
Now, to the core of the issue - pun intended - is that aluminum core of the Wizard has better heat transfer (apparently) due to a more efficient matrix. I have run a Wizard in the TR6 for something like 15 years. I use an electric fan because I seem to wind up spending a lot of time idling in grid. Absent silly issues like static timing being way off, which resulted in temp spiking, the only problem I've ever had was a radiator cracking due to stresses. Note that pylons in autocross are not kind to aluminum radiators. But I consider on radiator and one oil cooler cracking after more than 200 autocrosses to be "fairly good reliability".
I run a Wizard TR6 drop-in and a puller electric fan with the thermostatic controlled relay setup. Totally worth the money.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 07:30:32 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I dropped a Wizard radiator into Old Blue and it solved the cooling issues Dentinger experienced for years in the old TR3. Actually, I have Wizard products installed in a couple street cars as well, they work. If they keep a Stag cool, they must have figured something out.?

One caveat worth mentioning, both Steve's car and mine run the early small mouth valance, which does not require much in additional ducting. On the wide mouth?cars, a good ducting solution is critical. If I were racing a TR3A with that big grill, I would be so tempted to run?an oversized radiator and the obligatory thermostat, that has been my solution with the TR4 and the TR250. I have seen it done in a TR3, I will admit you need to get a bit more creative?with the limited space available.

I never saw the need for a fan in a race car, if you know when to run the thing, and more importantly when to shut it down, why bother?

Henry?

On 2023-03-13 20:00, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:

I run a wizard radiator in my TR3 in the hot California sun. No problemo

~Steve?

On Mar 13, 2023, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Brazelton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



Hello Group, I am looking for recommendations?on what Aluminum Radiator is the best for competition on the TR3 . I like the ones with fan brackets?made onto the body of the radiator like the Wizard Radiator but it is on a 2 row instead of the others that are 3 rows.? Does anyone have experience?with this?

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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 18:47:20 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:47:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 oil cooler
Message-ID: <CAHAH3R7WOzjkG3LmEj5pRO+wT1MpeD-4efFVFpaVm5cJjS+YHA@mail.gmail.com>

Amici, Can anyone send me some pictures and information on how to run an
oil cooler on a GT6?  There isn't much room with the steering shaft right
there.

Thanks in advance.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Wed Mar 15 09:40:30 2023
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 09:40:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately
Message-ID: <024e01d95754$79874d80$6c95e880$@hot-tr6.com>

Unfortunately, I must withdraw my registration to the 2023 Kastner Cup. On
February 7 I was involved in a serious accident (not automotive related)
whereby I sustained multiple compound fractures to my right ankle and lower
leg bones. I have had 4 surgeries so far and expect that many or more in the
upcoming weeks. There was even talk of removing my right foot but that
appears to be off the table for now. I will be in rehab all summer and into
the fall. I hope to get back to racing in 2024 if my rehab allows. My wife
and I were really looking forward to seeing my racer buds in Wisconsin but
it is not to be. Hopefully I will see you next year.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Wed Mar 15 10:06:02 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 09:06:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately
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Walt, that is sad news, we enjoyed you at Buttonwillow for that K cup race.
You take care and hope you mend quickly.  Best of luck, Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Walt Hollowell via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately

 

Unfortunately, I must withdraw my registration to the 2023 Kastner Cup. On
February 7 I was involved in a serious accident (not automotive related)
whereby I sustained multiple compound fractures to my right ankle and lower
leg bones. I have had 4 surgeries so far and expect that many or more in the
upcoming weeks. There was even talk of removing my right foot but that
appears to be off the table for now. I will be in rehab all summer and into
the fall. I hope to get back to racing in 2024 if my rehab allows. My wife
and I were really looking forward to seeing my racer buds in Wisconsin but
it is not to be. Hopefully I will see you next year.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

 



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 10:31:25 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately
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You were one of our main attractions.  Can you come anyway? We?d make you comfortable.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Mar 15, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Unfortunately, I must withdraw my registration to the 2023 Kastner Cup. On February 7 I was involved in a serious accident (not automotive related) whereby I sustained multiple compound fractures to my right ankle and lower leg bones. I have had 4 surgeries so far and expect that many or more in the upcoming weeks. There was even talk of removing my right foot but that appears to be off the table for now. I will be in rehab all summer and into the fall. I hope to get back to racing in 2024 if my rehab allows. My wife and I were really looking forward to seeing my racer buds in Wisconsin but it is not to be. Hopefully I will see you next year.
> Walter Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Mar 15 10:43:16 2023
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 12:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately
In-Reply-To: <024e01d95754$79874d80$6c95e880$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walter,

Such an unfortunate turn of events. Please heal well and quickly!

All the best,
Bob

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 12:05, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Unfortunately, I must withdraw my registration to the 2023 Kastner Cup. On February 7 I was involved in a serious accident (not automotive related) whereby I sustained multiple compound fractures to my right ankle and lower leg bones. I have had 4 surgeries so far and expect that many or more in the upcoming weeks. There was even talk of removing my right foot but that appears to be off the table for now. I will be in rehab all summer and into the fall. I hope to get back to racing in 2024 if my rehab allows. My wife and I were really looking forward to seeing my racer buds in Wisconsin but it is not to be. Hopefully I will see you next year.
> Walter Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Mar 15 12:22:24 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:22:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 oil cooler
In-Reply-To: <CAHAH3R7WOzjkG3LmEj5pRO+wT1MpeD-4efFVFpaVm5cJjS+YHA@mail.gmail.com>
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Mike, I?ve got my oil cooler located in front of the radiator - the radiator is not stock, is aluminum, wider than tall, and sits on top of the frame rails.  Can?t provide photos as the car is totally in pieces.  I?ve got a Canton remote cartridge filter, a blank-off plate where the stock filter goes, and oil feeding the system from the block -m one of the large taps/plugs in the vertical ?line" where the distributor is.  From there it goes to the filter, then to the cooler, then back to an octopus of four lines -one feeding each of the main bearings. This is detailed in one of Kas? books - probably on Chuck Gee?s build. 
The simpler route, if you are not feeding individual bearings, is to get one of the filter blank-off plates with a supply and return tap, and run the supply to the filter and then to the cooler, then back to the blank-off plate. 

You can see some of this in photos here, but not the taps from the block feeding the bottom of the canton filter, or feeding the accusump (the line to the firewall).  http://www.britishracecar.com/ScottJanzen-Triumph-GT6.htm <http://www.britishracecar.com/ScottJanzen-Triumph-GT6.htm>


On Mar 14, 2023, at 8:47 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici, Can anyone send me some pictures and information on how to run an oil cooler on a GT6?  There isn't much room with the steering shaft right there.

Thanks in advance. 

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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 15 13:34:53 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 19:34:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] unfortunately
In-Reply-To: <9CA981B0-A198-40C8-BAB5-44C04A56D26F@seiri.com>
References: <024e01d95754$79874d80$6c95e880$@hot-tr6.com>
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Message-ID: <1444041683.632107.1678908893951@mail.yahoo.com>

 WOW - really sad to here. I hope you recover quickly and painless if possible.?
Ralph
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:31:01 PM CDT, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Walter,
Such an unfortunate turn of events. Please heal well and quickly!
All the best,Bob

On Mar 15, 2023, at 12:05, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

Unfortunately, I must withdraw my registration to the 2023 Kastner Cup. On February 7 I was involved in a serious accident (not automotive related) whereby I sustained multiple compound fractures to my right ankle and lower leg bones. I have had 4 surgeries so far and expect that many or more in the upcoming weeks. There was even talk of removing my right foot but that appears to be off the table for now. I will be in rehab all summer and into the fall. I hope to get back to racing in 2024 if my rehab allows. My wife and I were really looking forward to seeing my racer buds in Wisconsin but it is not to be. Hopefully I will see you next year.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Mar 15 14:19:20 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 15:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 oil cooler
In-Reply-To: <BD6AD709-2D68-4196-8010-1DCED7F73070@me.com>
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Mike. 
Scott?s advice is all good except I?d try to mount the oil cooler under the radiator and little more forward.
I don?t like the air going through the oil cooler, warming up and then going through the radiator. If possible try to push fresh cool air for each cooler separately. All the air can pass through the grill for the radiator and the air for the oil cooler can come from below. (Through the air dam, and shrouded separately.)
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, I?ve got my oil cooler located in front of the radiator - the radiator is not stock, is aluminum, wider than tall, and sits on top of the frame rails.  Can?t provide photos as the car is totally in pieces.  I?ve got a Canton remote cartridge filter, a blank-off plate where the stock filter goes, and oil feeding the system from the block -m one of the large taps/plugs in the vertical ?line" where the distributor is.  From there it goes to the filter, then to the cooler, then back to an octopus of four lines -one feeding each of the main bearings. This is detailed in one of Kas? books - probably on Chuck Gee?s build. 
> The simpler route, if you are not feeding individual bearings, is to get one of the filter blank-off plates with a supply and return tap, and run the supply to the filter and then to the cooler, then back to the blank-off plate. 
> 
> You can see some of this in photos here, but not the taps from the block feeding the bottom of the canton filter, or feeding the accusump (the line to the firewall).  http://www.britishracecar.com/ScottJanzen-Triumph-GT6.htm
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 8:47 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Amici, Can anyone send me some pictures and information on how to run an oil cooler on a GT6?  There isn't much room with the steering shaft right there.
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Deweerd
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Mar 15 14:33:25 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 16:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 oil cooler
In-Reply-To: <ECD725AC-26DD-441E-8FE7-AB99D00AA29B@multivintage.com>
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I agree in theory, though my rad is oversized - keeps the car at 185 in the middle of August - even with the oil cooler in front.

On Mar 15, 2023, at 4:19 PM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:

Mike. 
Scott?s advice is all good except I?d try to mount the oil cooler under the radiator and little more forward.
I don?t like the air going through the oil cooler, warming up and then going through the radiator. If possible try to push fresh cool air for each cooler separately. All the air can pass through the grill for the radiator and the air for the oil cooler can come from below. (Through the air dam, and shrouded separately.)
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, I?ve got my oil cooler located in front of the radiator - the radiator is not stock, is aluminum, wider than tall, and sits on top of the frame rails.  Can?t provide photos as the car is totally in pieces.  I?ve got a Canton remote cartridge filter, a blank-off plate where the stock filter goes, and oil feeding the system from the block -m one of the large taps/plugs in the vertical ?line" where the distributor is.  From there it goes to the filter, then to the cooler, then back to an octopus of four lines -one feeding each of the main bearings. This is detailed in one of Kas? books - probably on Chuck Gee?s build. 
> The simpler route, if you are not feeding individual bearings, is to get one of the filter blank-off plates with a supply and return tap, and run the supply to the filter and then to the cooler, then back to the blank-off plate. 
> 
> You can see some of this in photos here, but not the taps from the block feeding the bottom of the canton filter, or feeding the accusump (the line to the firewall).  http://www.britishracecar.com/ScottJanzen-Triumph-GT6.htm <http://www.britishracecar.com/ScottJanzen-Triumph-GT6.htm>
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 8:47 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> Amici, Can anyone send me some pictures and information on how to run an oil cooler on a GT6?  There isn't much room with the steering shaft right there.
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Deweerd
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 17:55:00 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fully equipped machine shop for rent
Message-ID: <CABFvdWtNJAmv_iuVPkoficzrZGz+nHp6EB_czVzTyEL_gd75dw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about the rest of the country but in Central Texas we are
running out of machine shops willing to work on our LBC's. Then again the
hamburger joints and repair shops can't find workers, so I guess it's just
a sign of the times. My machinist is looking to retire. He has a shop full
of equipment and a right hand man but tells me he needs two other
machinists to run the business the way he wants it run. He can't find them
but I suspect that he hasn't tried hard enough. We were talking this week
and I asked about what he would do with all the equipment and he said he'd
probably just keep it and do some work here and there. I asked if he
considered leasing out the business, and his eyes lit up. He has a decent
sized shop and no idea how to advertise for such a thing. I don't either,
but I told him I'd look into it. If anyone has any ideas how one would
advertise to find someone both qualified and interested in running a
machine shop please let me know.

Bob Kramer
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Mar 15 18:09:17 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 20:09:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fully equipped machine shop for rent
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWtNJAmv_iuVPkoficzrZGz+nHp6EB_czVzTyEL_gd75dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Common issue, apparently, the machinist i work with is 70, Reading Pa, would like to sell or lease to own. He?s been trying for a few years.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 7:59 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I don't know about the rest of the country but in Central Texas we are running out of machine shops willing to work on our LBC's. Then again the hamburger joints and repair shops can't find workers, so I guess it's just a sign of the times. My machinist is looking to retire. He has a shop full of equipment and a right hand man but tells me he needs two other machinists to run the business the way he wants it run. He can't find them but I suspect that he hasn't tried hard enough. We were talking this week and I asked about what he would do with all the equipment and he said he'd probably just keep it and do some work here and there. I asked if he considered leasing out the business, and his eyes lit up. He has a decent sized shop and no idea how to advertise for such a thing. I don't either, but I told him I'd look into it. If anyone has any ideas how one would advertise to find someone both qualified and interested in running a machine shop please let me know. 
> 
> Bob Kramer
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Wed Mar 15 19:57:17 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 20:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fully equipped machine shop for rent
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Seems like it might be a good business to start up if one had the time and knowledge 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 19:43, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Common issue, apparently, the machinist i work with is 70, Reading Pa, would like to sell or lease to own. He?s been trying for a few years.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 7:59 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I don't know about the rest of the country but in Central Texas we are running out of machine shops willing to work on our LBC's. Then again the hamburger joints and repair shops can't find workers, so I guess it's just a sign of the times. My machinist is looking to retire. He has a shop full of equipment and a right hand man but tells me he needs two other machinists to run the business the way he wants it run. He can't find them but I suspect that he hasn't tried hard enough. We were talking this week and I asked about what he would do with all the equipment and he said he'd probably just keep it and do some work here and there. I asked if he considered leasing out the business, and his eyes lit up. He has a decent sized shop and no idea how to advertise for such a thing. I don't either, but I told him I'd look into it. If anyone has any ideas how one would advertise to find someone both qualified and interested in running a machine shop please let me know. 
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 20:03:32 2023
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fully equipped machine shop for rent
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Friends.
The shortage of machinists is as real as the shortages of everything else
lately and more,,
   I've been a tool and die maker for 35 years and am working as a mold
maker in a plastics company. I'm thinking 35 years is about enough.
In my opinion there is a very low level of appreciation for the skills that
a quality machinist has to have and the amount of diverse knowledge that is
needed to do "decent" (perfect) work.
  If I can be so bold to suggest that if you have an excellent machine shop
in mind, you should reach out to the guy actually making the chips.  Tell
him he's a lost breed and a valuable service and encourage him to stick it
out. Maybe even buy him an ice cream cone .
             P.J.


On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:39?PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Common issue, apparently, the machinist i work with is 70, Reading Pa,
> would like to sell or lease to own. He?s been trying for a few years.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 15, 2023, at 7:59 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > I don't know about the rest of the country but in Central Texas we are
> running out of machine shops willing to work on our LBC's. Then again the
> hamburger joints and repair shops can't find workers, so I guess it's just
> a sign of the times. My machinist is looking to retire. He has a shop full
> of equipment and a right hand man but tells me he needs two other
> machinists to run the business the way he wants it run. He can't find them
> but I suspect that he hasn't tried hard enough. We were talking this week
> and I asked about what he would do with all the equipment and he said he'd
> probably just keep it and do some work here and there. I asked if he
> considered leasing out the business, and his eyes lit up. He has a decent
> sized shop and no idea how to advertise for such a thing. I don't either,
> but I told him I'd look into it. If anyone has any ideas how one would
> advertise to find someone both qualified and interested in running a
> machine shop please let me know.
> >
> > Bob Kramer
> >
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 12:32:01 2023
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 13:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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Message-ID: <76E4E301-B99D-442B-8485-1614A1640C40@yahoo.com>

I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson 
1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
281-871-9623

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Mar 16 12:55:50 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 18:55:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
In-Reply-To: <76E4E301-B99D-442B-8485-1614A1640C40@yahoo.com>
References: <76E4E301-B99D-442B-8485-1614A1640C40.ref@yahoo.com>
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Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 11:32:01 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson
1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
281-871-9623

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From cofrog at q.com  Thu Mar 16 13:41:33 2023
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:41:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <9Y1TU0FRFJU4.2QIAV5ZN4PQS2@luweb02oc>

Listers,


I am nominating and seeking a second for FOT membership for Hayden Schramm.  He has acquired a TR4A that I used to race and is taking it to RMVR racing school in April.  He is employed at Ax and Allies a local Denver garage specializing in vintage European cars.


His email is hayden.schramm at gmail.com


Thanks Dan Forgey
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Mar 16 14:06:55 2023
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:06:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
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I?ll second that.

Jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dan Forgey via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:42 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: hayden.schramm at gmail.com
Subject: [Fot] Nomination

 

Listers,

 

I am nominating and seeking a second for FOT membership for Hayden Schramm.  He has acquired a TR4A that I used to race and is taking it to RMVR racing school in April.  He is employed at Ax and Allies a local Denver garage specializing in vintage European cars.

 

His email is hayden.schramm at gmail.com <mailto:hayden.schramm at gmail.com> 

 

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Mar 16 14:59:16 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 20:59:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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Group 44's Triumph cars were always white with black numbers, later ones (Quaker State sponsorship) with a green stripe. To my knowledge, they never raced a blue car with a number ball. They normally ran number 44 or 4, occasionally 41 if there was a number conflict, but with their own distinctive trademark numerals (with rounded corners). And the number on the back deck was always backwards.
BTW, the Spitfire pictured below was John Kelly's 1973 National Champion car.
-Rocky Entriken

[SCCA Champion! 1973 Triumph Spitfire | Barn Finds][Group44's Jaguar XJS: Readers Rides:]

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:56 PM
To: dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
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To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

I've got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson
1957 FIA "Daytona" TR3 #43
1955 "Runoffs" TR3 #72
281-871-9623
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Mar 16 15:02:39 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 21:02:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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 That, but it's also possible that it was before roll bar numbers started.It should be stamped near the thickness hole.As for verifying as Group 44... without documentation & logs that would be tough, just keep in mind that there are many more "Group 44" cars out there than Group 44 ever did...
Glen Efinger
 
 
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Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2023 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?
Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
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To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire??I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson 
1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
281-871-9623


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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 15:06:46 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 21:06:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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 The only way to know for sure is to ID the car by the logbook or, as Scott mentioned, by the SCCA stamp on the roll bar. With that info, you should be able to track the history of the car.
Good luck!
That cage looks pretty stout.

Bob Lang

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 02:42:32 PM EDT, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson 
1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
281-871-9623


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Mar 16 15:27:08 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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It looks like the car was once white as well as yellow.  I see white and yellow under the blue.  The rear fender wheel opening looks slightly flared too.  Interesting.
Dave H. 

>     On 03/16/2023 1:59 PM rocky spitfire4.com via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Group 44?s Triumph cars were always white with black numbers, later ones (Quaker State sponsorship) with a green stripe. To my knowledge, they never raced a blue car with a number ball. They normally ran number 44 or 4, occasionally 41 if there was a number conflict, but with their own distinctive trademark numerals (with rounded corners). And the number on the back deck was always backwards.
> 
>     BTW, the Spitfire pictured below was John Kelly?s 1973 National Champion car.
> 
>     ?Rocky Entriken
> 
> 
>     [SCCA Champion! 1973 Triumph Spitfire | Barn Finds][Group44's Jaguar XJS: Readers Rides:]
> 
> 
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
>     Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:56 PM
>     To: dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>; fot at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
> 
> 
>     Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?
> 
> 
>     Scott Barr
>     McCarty Law LLP
>     (920) 257-2233
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
> 
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net > on behalf of dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
>     Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 11:32:01 AM
>     To: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
>     Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
> 
> 
>     I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Dusty Nicholson
>     1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
>     1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
>     281-871-9623
> 
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Mar 16 15:31:36 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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The main tubes of the roll cage look similar.  It would be good to compare the bars and mounting plates which are welded on in the blue 41.  
Dave H. 

>     On 03/16/2023 1:59 PM rocky spitfire4.com via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Group 44?s Triumph cars were always white with black numbers, later ones (Quaker State sponsorship) with a green stripe. To my knowledge, they never raced a blue car with a number ball. They normally ran number 44 or 4, occasionally 41 if there was a number conflict, but with their own distinctive trademark numerals (with rounded corners). And the number on the back deck was always backwards.
> 
>     BTW, the Spitfire pictured below was John Kelly?s 1973 National Champion car.
> 
>     ?Rocky Entriken
> 
> 
>     [SCCA Champion! 1973 Triumph Spitfire | Barn Finds][Group44's Jaguar XJS: Readers Rides:]
> 
> 
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
>     Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:56 PM
>     To: dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>; fot at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
> 
> 
>     Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?
> 
> 
>     Scott Barr
>     McCarty Law LLP
>     (920) 257-2233
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
> 
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net > on behalf of dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
>     Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 11:32:01 AM
>     To: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
>     Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
> 
> 
>     I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Dusty Nicholson
>     1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
>     1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
>     281-871-9623
> 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Mar 16 16:36:07 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 15:36:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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I seem to remember when Tim Suddard had purchased the Group 44 GT^ and he needed to have the information substantiated, Lanky Foushee had looked at it and could tell by several of the modifications he had performed on the car.

I think Lanky had passed away about 10 years ago and not sure if there?s another mechanic responsible for building the Group 44 cars.  

Some of the things I remember they had found were the drilled hatch back hinges to lighten them, the eccentric suspension bushings to change camber and the rear leaf spring that could be moved side to side to change balance.  These items may or may not be present on the Spit and might not be conclusive either, but it would be worth looking into.

 

https://classicmotorsports.com/project-cars/1969-triumph-group-44-gt6/our-barn-find-gt6/

 

Charly Mitchel 

TR6 #44

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Lang via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 2:07 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

 

The only way to know for sure is to ID the car by the logbook or, as Scott mentioned, by the SCCA stamp on the roll bar. With that info, you should be able to track the history of the car.

 

Good luck!

 

That cage looks pretty stout.

 

Bob Lang

 

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 02:42:32 PM EDT, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

 

Thanks,

 

Dusty Nicholson 

1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43

1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Mar 16 22:31:32 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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Rollbar numbers started in 1972.
IF the car has a rollbar number, and IF it was a Group 44 car, it should have a rollbar number like 42-XXX. Group 44 operated out of Falls Church, VA, and Bob Tullius et al were members of Washington DC Region, region #42.

--Rocky

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That, but it's also possible that it was before roll bar numbers started.
It should be stamped near the thickness hole.
As for verifying as Group 44... without documentation & logs that would be tough, just keep in mind that there are many more "Group 44" cars out there than Group 44 ever did...

Glen Efinger


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Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?

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Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?

I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how this claim could be verified? Photos attached.

Thanks,

Dusty Nicholson
1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
281-871-9623
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I know this doesn?t help you-all, but in my UK town I have an excellent machine shop, headed by a vastly experienced man, who is now semi-retired, but has two younger men running the business, AND an apprentice.      I took them some work earlier this year and the lad was sent out to help me unload ? his enthusiasm shone through!

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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 07:09:32 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:09:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.

As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.

I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.

I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in end
caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to
engine when they were manufactured?
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From rick.parent at att.net  Sat Mar 18 08:56:57 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 14:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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Never, ever change caps without align honing, you can swap bearing though.
Rick Parent
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    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 06:21:25 AM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
As?you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.?
I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
I'm curious about the source of the offset.? Is there a difference in end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when they were manufactured?_______________________________________________
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 18 11:12:59 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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 main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it all work properly

    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
As?you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.?
I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
I'm curious about the source of the offset.? Is there a difference in end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when they were manufactured?_______________________________________________
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Mar 18 11:35:56 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:35:56 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 13:09:25 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 15:09:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset?

 Supposedly this block was line honed.

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some
> years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.
> Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all
> these?  Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.
> Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to
> replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you
> do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it
> all work properly
>
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
>
> As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.
>
> I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
>
> I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in end
> caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to
> engine when they were manufactured?
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Mar 18 14:00:59 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 15:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
Message-ID: <58592.1679169659@mitchelplumbing.com>


Do you have it on backward?
What happens if you flip it 180? ?
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
On Sat 18/03/23  7:56 AM , Rick Parent via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> Never, ever change caps without align honing, you can swap bearing
> though.
> Rick Parent
> "_Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of
> consequences_ "
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 06:21:25 AM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot
> wrote:  
> The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal
> 1300.
> As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves. 
> I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
> I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in
> end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from
> engine to engine when they were manufactured?
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 18 14:03:53 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 20:03:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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 no, lack of line bore would not make the misalignment of the notches - line honing is a bit different than a line bore - block and caps get line bored when made, it makes sure all caps and block saddles are in perfect alignment with each other / changing s cap requires a line bore to get them in alignment with each other / the offset notches will not be corrected by line bore, they were obviously made at different setting when new?
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 02:43:22 PM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset??
?Supposedly this block was line honed.
On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all these?? Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it all work properly

    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
As?you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.?
I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
I'm curious about the source of the offset.? Is there a difference in end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when they were manufactured?_______________________________________________
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From rick.parent at att.net  Sat Mar 18 14:44:53 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 20:44:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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No, you can't fix that without finding a better cap that matches the groove in the block. I just mentioned the align hone because of the weird looking bearing wipe on the left side of the cap.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset??
?Supposedly this block was line honed.
On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all these?? Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it all work properly

    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
As?you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.?
I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
I'm curious about the source of the offset.? Is there a difference in end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when they were manufactured?_______________________________________________
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 15:00:59 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:00:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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Based on how far off the bearing is offset, I wanted to rule out
differences in model years for the 1300.

It seems the answer to my original question is that there was considerable
variation in engines that came off the assembly line when these cars were
made.

Solid evidence of why you don't mismatch bearing caps!

Thanks for the input.

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 4:44 PM Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:

> No, you can't fix that without finding a better cap that matches the
> groove in the block. I just mentioned the align hone because of the weird
> looking bearing wipe on the left side of the cap.
>
> Rick Parent
>
> "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of
> consequences*"
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset?
>
>  Supposedly this block was line honed.
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some
> years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.
> Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all
> these?  Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.
> Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to
> replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you
> do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it
> all work properly
>
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
>
> As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves.
>
> I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
>
> I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in end
> caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to
> engine when they were manufactured?
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 19 08:30:51 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear Main Cap
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I was successful in finding a closely matched set for a TR4 block and was able to get it align bored. We learned the the plane the crankshaft was on was off a bit from the plane that the deck and figure 8?s had, and different from the oil pan surface as well. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Based on how far off the bearing is offset, I wanted to rule out differences in model years for the 1300.
> 
> It seems the answer to my original question is that there was considerable variation in engines that came off the assembly line when these cars were made.
> 
> Solid evidence of why you don't mismatch bearing caps!
> 
> Thanks for the input.
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 4:44 PM Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:
>> No, you can't fix that without finding a better cap that matches the groove in the block. I just mentioned the align hone because of the weird looking bearing wipe on the left side of the cap.
>> 
>> Rick Parent
>> 
>> "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM MST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So are you saying the lack of line honing would cause the bearing offset? 
>> 
>>  Supposedly this block was line honed.
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 2:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> One of the mysteries of a big batch of GT6 parts and cars i picked up some years ago was a box of 50+(!) main caps, which i still have.
>> Also got two blocks (with no caps), but why would anyone separate all these?  Nothing to do but laugh when i discovered them.
>> Box makes a nice heavy doorstop.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 6:27 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> main caps are machined as a set to the block itself - if you need to replace a cap, good luck finding a cap with the grooves lining up / if you do get lucky you'll need to get the block and caps line bored to make it all work properly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The image shows the rear main cap and bearing on a small journal 1300.
>>> 
>>> As you can see, there is an offset between the two bearing halves. 
>>> 
>>> I was attempting to mix and match parts from my parts bin.
>>> 
>>> I'm curious about the source of the offset.  Is there a difference in end caps from year to year on the 1300 or is there a difference from engine to engine when they were manufactured?
>>> _______________________________________________
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 16:54:18 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 18:54:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
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Are the doors different? Seems the one picture is a different door handle
than the  other picture or am I seeing things ?  Is there any history of
the drivers door being changed on a group 44 spitfire??  Either way group
44 or not it?s a cool find
Cheers all
Mike

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:37 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It looks like the car was once white as well as yellow.  I see white and
> yellow under the blue.  The rear fender wheel opening looks slightly flared
> too.  Interesting.
> Dave H.
>
> On 03/16/2023 1:59 PM rocky spitfire4.com via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Group 44?s Triumph cars were always white with black numbers, later ones
> (Quaker State sponsorship) with a green stripe. To my knowledge, they never
> raced a blue car with a number ball. They normally ran number 44 or 4,
> occasionally 41 if there was a number conflict, but with their own
> distinctive trademark numerals (with rounded corners). And the number on
> the back deck was always backwards.
>
> BTW, the Spitfire pictured below was John Kelly?s 1973 National Champion
> car.
>
> ?Rocky Entriken
>
>
> [image: SCCA Champion! 1973 Triumph Spitfire | Barn Finds][image:
> Group44's Jaguar XJS: Readers Rides:]
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Barr, Scott via
> Fot
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:56 PM
> *To:* dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>; fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
>
>
> Is there a stamped roll bar number registered with the SCCA?
>
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dustin nicholson
> via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2023 11:32:01 AM
> *To:* fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire?
>
>
> I?ve got a buddy in Oklahoma that bought a collection of crusty Triumphs
> including a Spitfire racer that supposedly is a Group 44 car. Any ideas how
> this claim could be verified? Photos attached.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty Nicholson
> 1957 FIA ?Daytona? TR3 #43
> 1955 ?Runoffs? TR3 #72
> 281-871-9623
>
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Sun Mar 19 09:15:23 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:15:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Update
Message-ID: <373894663.2285281.1679238924008@connect.xfinity.com>

Good morning, Amici

It's still feeling very much like winter here in the upper midwest but summer will be here before we know it  and the 2023 Kastner Cup at Road America is just under 4 months away.  Even this far out, we already have 21 entrants from all over the country.and are working on paddock plans.  For those of you that haven't registered yet but are planning on coming, please consider doing so at your earliest convenience - it is helpful in our planning and with discussions with the track.  At the very least, if you could reach out to us and let us know that you plan on being there Mark and I will be able to use that in our planning activities and would would really appreciate it!

Here is a list of our entrants to date:

Brendon Alexander
Tony Drews
Alex Schlesinger
Karen Menne-Jacobsen
Eric Jacobsen
Dan Gehweiler
Dave Riddle
Brian McEldowney
Henry Morrison
Bob Lang
Phil Gott
Rick McCurdy
Mike Harmuth
Tom Reiss
Tim Slater
David Cutter
Mike Deweerd
Pete Passon
David Gott
Mike Jackson
Russ Westfall

I have attached a map of who is coming from where and as you can see we have a strong contingent from the Northeast but also FOT'ers coming from great distances and we are really excited to see everyone.  It's had to beat Wisconsin in the summer.  Registration for the event can be found here:  https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/weathertech-international-challenge-july-13th-16th-road-america-327737   
After you register, we will follow up with you for some additional information that we are using to put together to plan the paddock as for a Kastner Cup event guide that we are putting together.  When you register, you will be asked for the area of the paddock that you would like to be in.  There is a choice for Kastner Cup - North Paddock and we hope you will join us in there.  If you do not want to paddock with the rest of the Triumph group you can make a different selection but we'd love to see everyone together.  If you have any questions you can absolutely reach out to us before you register.  We are also putting together a bunch of information about navigating the event in general that we will send out before the event that will help first timers find there way to the track and through registration.

We are starting to make some headway on fundraising and are very grateful for those that have made donations to the cause so far.  They will be put to good use as we commission the new Kastner Cup trophy as well as the other awards and hospitality considerations.  The first run of posters is being printed now and we will post details on how to get one soon.  We will also post information on ordering Kastner Cup shirts for those that are interested.  As always, 100% of the profits from the sale of these items goes toward the hosting of the Kastner Cup this year and anything left over goes toward next year's event.  Individual contributions are always welcome and appreciated.  We have tried to make it easier this year by setting up our GoFundMe account at https://gofund.me/87c1b0d1 https://gofund.me/87c1b0d1 .   Some people have expressed a preference to donate by check which is perfectly fine too!  You can mail any donations to:

Brian Garcia
FOT
3N349 Toms Trail Dr.
Saint Charles, IL  60175

We are very grateful to all of those that have registered or contributed their support so far and are humbled by the spirit of this group.  Please be on the lookout for more updates in the next week and for those of you also stuck in second winter right now think warm thoughts - July isn't as far away as it feels...


Best regards,

Brian Garcia
Co-Chair 2023 Kastner Cup
847-452-2246

Mark Alexander
Co-Chair 2023 Kastner Cup
952-412-6683
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From maddhatt69 at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 20:19:09 2023
From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 02:19:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Looking for a Triumph Racecar
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The Great Unwashed!
I have a friend looking for a Triumph race car (looking at Spitfires but open to anything) that he can run this season.?
Name: Tom BorkLocation: Victor, NYPrice range: $10-15KPhone #: 585-410-4716E-mail: docbracing at aol.com
Please reach out to him if you may have any leads or are wishing to sell your car. I know he has spoken with Russ Moore about his Spit; Pete Passion - is your car still available as well?
Hope everyone has a good run in 2023!
V/r,
M. Huovinen910-619-2952
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Tue Mar 21 19:16:09 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New TR3 Racing Action Video from Willow Springs
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Hey there FOT,

Enjoy my new racing action video from Willow Springs with VARA?s High Desert Challenge!

I had a blast trying to keep up with Brian Howlett, dicing with Frank Daley, and chasing down the squadron of angry Spitfires.

Recorded with HD Audio so CRANK IT UP!   I used 4 GoPros mounted in and around my 62 TR3.

https://youtu.be/iVL6k2KQkDw <https://youtu.be/iVL6k2KQkDw>


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From bbtr250 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 10:14:34 2023
From: bbtr250 at gmail.com (Bryan Brazelton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 11:14:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Quick Release Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <CAEAi9oPC86=seLAsyX8_UGM0oC5PYXz8UkUG03oaC8LMo=dnnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning Group, has anyone come up with a good Quick release hub for
the steering wheel on the TR 2-3 "s ?
  My problem is , if I weld the hub to the end of the shaft then I can no
longer remove the shaft for repairs on the Steering gear.  Just wondering
if this is even possible because the older and larger I get the degree of
difficulty getting in and out goes up.  It would be nice to be able to
remove the steering wheel .

-- 
Bryan B.

901-277-7415
Purple People Eater (59 TR 3 Racer)
Jack Wheelers #11 TR 4A
Slagles TR 8 Coupe
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Mar 22 10:19:12 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 11:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Hsllett
Message-ID: <c408f3e6-3edd-cc91-24f1-3c03347ec2dc@pobox.com>

Is anyone racing at Hallett this weekend? - Larry Young

From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed Mar 22 11:22:09 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 10:22:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Quick Release Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <CAEAi9oPC86=seLAsyX8_UGM0oC5PYXz8UkUG03oaC8LMo=dnnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEAi9oPC86=seLAsyX8_UGM0oC5PYXz8UkUG03oaC8LMo=dnnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05D12190-30AB-453B-8AAF-F15F3BF8ECE0@artwithcars.com>

Hi Bryan,

I race a TR3 with a steering box and the non-adjustable steering shaft that went all the way from the wheel, straight to the worm gear.

I cut the steering shaft in the vicinity of the oil filter and welded a splined shaft end.  Then, a double U-joint connecting to the top half of the shaft which attaches to the steering hub.  To remove the steering wheel you must disconnect the U-joint and then pull the wheel and shaft out towards the driver?s seat.  There are a couple of other components as well that locate the shaft and keep it from moving in or out.  It was a big deal and I had help welding onto the stock (hollow) steering shaft.

~Steve Belfer

> On Mar 22, 2023, at 9:14 AM, Bryan Brazelton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Good morning Group, has anyone come up with a good Quick release hub for the steering wheel on the TR 2-3 "s ?
>   My problem is , if I weld the hub to the end of the shaft then I can no longer remove the shaft for repairs on the Steering gear.  Just wondering if this is even possible because the older and larger I get the degree of difficulty getting in and out goes up.  It would be nice to be able to remove the steering wheel .
> 
> -- 
> Bryan B.
> 
> 901-277-7415
> Purple People Eater (59 TR 3 Racer)
> Jack Wheelers #11 TR 4A
> Slagles TR 8 Coupe
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From: dkettler1 at charter.net (dkettler1 at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 12:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 15:08:10 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Belts
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From dkettler1 at charter.net  Wed Mar 22 15:53:52 2023
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <3D7F422B-990E-415B-86E9-72449498A9AB@gmail.com>
References: <326B476E-D04B-6B48-82E4-94F6D8D7EBD9@hxcore.ol>
 <3D7F422B-990E-415B-86E9-72449498A9AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015601d95d08$cb8da700$62a8f500$@charter.net>

Not sure why this was sent to FOT.

 

SCCA has had a rule change as of March 1.  All belts must have an expiration date and not a manufacture date as in the sent photo.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave 

 

From: Dean Tetterton <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:08 PM
To: dkettler1 at charter.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Belts

 

So?

Sent from my iPhone





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?

 

 

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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 15:59:51 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:59:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <015601d95d08$cb8da700$62a8f500$@charter.net>
References: <326B476E-D04B-6B48-82E4-94F6D8D7EBD9@hxcore.ol>
 <3D7F422B-990E-415B-86E9-72449498A9AB@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADK3t95ZbED+wNYwEwV4KQySbp90kjox_zwfxVqkzxT=UyL_0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, thanks.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 5:53?PM David Kettler <dkettler1 at charter.net> wrote:

> Not sure why this was sent to FOT.
>
>
>
> SCCA has had a rule change as of March 1.  All belts must have an
> expiration date and not a manufacture date as in the sent photo.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Dean Tetterton <tr3a58dean at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:08 PM
> *To:* dkettler1 at charter.net
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Belts
>
>
>
> So?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 4:42 PM, David Kettler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
>
>
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>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 17:39:36 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Hsllett
In-Reply-To: <c408f3e6-3edd-cc91-24f1-3c03347ec2dc@pobox.com>
References: <c408f3e6-3edd-cc91-24f1-3c03347ec2dc@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWu=dY0amdqT8pdKNzOQ2YszeZ8oC_KAUsroau12uW4LBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not me, my eldest is turning 40 this Saturday. Priorities.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 1:23?PM Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Is anyone racing at Hallett this weekend? - Larry Young
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Wed Mar 22 18:24:52 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Quick Release Steering Wheel
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 18:47:10 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:47:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <3D7F422B-990E-415B-86E9-72449498A9AB@gmail.com>
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 19:36:07 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:36:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <CADK3t95ZbED+wNYwEwV4KQySbp90kjox_zwfxVqkzxT=UyL_0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 22 20:37:35 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:37:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 Quick Release Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <CAEAi9oPC86=seLAsyX8_UGM0oC5PYXz8UkUG03oaC8LMo=dnnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEAi9oPC86=seLAsyX8_UGM0oC5PYXz8UkUG03oaC8LMo=dnnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72279755.3496789.1679539055326@mail.yahoo.com>

 NRG makes hub adapters, for quick release hubs, that attach to OEM splines, but their catalog does not list any for Triumphs.? They have a chart that shows spline diameter for a variety of cars, but it does not show spline counts, so it is not too helpful with trying to find one that fits.? it might me worth a call to them?? JoeB
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 01:31:21 PM EDT, Bryan Brazelton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Good morning Group, has anyone come up with a good Quick release hub for the steering?wheel on the TR 2-3 "s ?? My problem is , if I weld the hub to the end of the shaft then I can no longer remove the shaft for repairs on the Steering gear.? Just wondering if this is even possible because the older and larger I get the degree of difficulty getting in and out goes up.? It would be nice to be able to remove the steering wheel .

-- 
Bryan B.
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 05:37:25 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:37:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <EBAFE609-B714-4536-809B-F2358362E8E6@gmail.com>
References: <CADK3t95ZbED+wNYwEwV4KQySbp90kjox_zwfxVqkzxT=UyL_0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <EBAFE609-B714-4536-809B-F2358362E8E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <667641523.2281643.1679571445864@mail.yahoo.com>

I think the math changes depending on club, and if the Jersey state police have a say in it?. ??

Dave Gott

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:31 AM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Assuming most racers can?t do math?

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Dean Tetterton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Ok, thanks.?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 5:53?PM David Kettler <dkettler1 at charter.net> wrote:


Not sure why this was sent to FOT.

?

SCCA has had a rule change as of March 1.? All belts must have an expiration date and not a manufacture date as in the sent photo.

?

Thanks,

?

Dave 

?

From: Dean Tetterton <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:08 PM
To: dkettler1 at charter.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Belts

?

So?

Sent from my iPhone






On Mar 22, 2023, at 4:42 PM, David Kettler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

?

?

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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Mar 23 08:45:21 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:45:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Belts
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Thu Mar 23 09:11:32 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Belts
In-Reply-To: <667641523.2281643.1679571445864@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CADK3t95ZbED+wNYwEwV4KQySbp90kjox_zwfxVqkzxT=UyL_0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <667641523.2281643.1679571445864@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1679584285.24681.fot@autox.team.net>

Behind every rule like this is a lawyer, either someone has been sued for liability or they think they could be sued?..hence ladders with 25 don?t do this stickers.

Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Gott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 5:43 AM
To: Brad Eells; Dean Tetterton
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Belts

I think the math changes depending on club, and if the Jersey state police have a say in it?. ??

Dave Gott

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:31 AM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Assuming most racers can?t do math?
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Dean Tetterton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Ok, thanks.?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 5:53?PM David Kettler <dkettler1 at charter.net> wrote:
Not sure why this was sent to FOT.
?
SCCA has had a rule change as of March 1.? All belts must have an expiration date and not a manufacture date as in the sent photo.
?
Thanks,
?
Dave 
?
From: Dean Tetterton <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:08 PM
To: dkettler1 at charter.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Belts
?
So?
Sent from my iPhone

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?
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From lorne.fritz at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 09:50:33 2023
From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 11:50:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating
Message-ID: <CAH7tdL-KCamqjfUfTHC7U54WQ+WiYm26vyw9S4uOTNGiLBWd3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,  I lost my go to guy for replating due to retirement.  Does anybody
know of a good place to get some parts replated?  Thanks,   Lorne
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 11:01:18 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 13:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating
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Our chrome plater was put out of business by the high cost of trying to
satisfy the EPA.
Same for the guy that did silver and gold cad plating.
Now losing all the automotive machine shops.

Dean T.


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> Hi,  I lost my go to guy for replating due to retirement.  Does anybody
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 26 10:45:00 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:45:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating
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 Advance Plating in Nashville, TN.? Expensive, but worth it!

    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:36:13 PM EDT, Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,? I lost my go to guy for replating due to retirement.? Does anybody know of a good place to get some parts replated?? Thanks,?? Lorne
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Mar 26 13:58:16 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:58:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating
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There is a good place here in Neenah WI.  Motion Products.  It is a high end resto and race prep shop focused on Ferrari.  They bought up the local plating operation when the owner wanted to retire.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
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Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 10:50:33 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating

Hi,  I lost my go to guy for replating due to retirement.  Does anybody know of a good place to get some parts replated?  Thanks,   Lorne
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Mar 26 14:36:25 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:36:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] chrome plating
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Royal Plating and Capital Metal Finishing in Tucson both do excellent work.

> On March 26, 2023 at 11:50 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,  I lost my go to guy for replating due to retirement.  Does anybody know of a good place to get some parts replated?  Thanks,   Lorne
>     _______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 30 08:46:31 2023
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 09:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis.
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Mark, please contact me for an important message.

Best Regards,
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 09:28:51 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:28:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis.
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Very ominous ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:54 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mark, please contact me for an important message.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Mar 30 09:42:13 2023
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 10:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis.
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The FOT has some great stuff going on. 

We are going to make a major presence at the Kastner Cup, too.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Chuck Gee <chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Very ominous ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:54 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Mark, please contact me for an important message.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> 


From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 09:51:13 2023
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 10:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis.
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?? The extended warranty on your Killer Spitfire maybe expiring soon? please return this important message?


> On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Very ominous ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:54 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Mark, please contact me for an important message.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
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From rick.parent at att.net  Thu Mar 30 10:30:54 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:30:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Steel Synchro news
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Greetings Gentlemen
Just and update, the tooling for the Spit / GT6 small synchro?ring is complete and I should have test parts in a month or so. For those of you who don't know, I have steel Synchro's with a carbon friction surface for the big Triumphs and the Spit / GT6 "Large" available. The cost is $85 each and will be the last time you need to replace your Synchro's.
In case you have other brands of cars, I will have Super T-10, Jag E Type, Datsun L series, BMW 2002 and E30 rings this year.
Stay tuned and thanks for the support!
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
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