From adcronin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 07:18:29 2023
From: adcronin at gmail.com (Dan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 09:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Interesting 20 min vid on bolt clanping vs torque forces,
 and dry vs lubricated differences.
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https://youtu.be/VJFYkmYX-aA

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  1 09:51:19 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 15:51:19 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Evelyn Sukey
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Because so many of my FOT were also my wife Evelyns FOT I sadly report that Evelyn succumbed to pancreatic cancer early yesterday morning. It was a tough 8 months, but she is not suffering now. She truly enjoyed her time at the track with her Triumph friends.

Marty Sukey
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun  1 10:22:58 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] -- SPAM -- Evelyn Sukey
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So sorry for your loss. Stay strong my friend.


> On June 1, 2023 at 11:51 AM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>     Because so many of my FOT were also my wife Evelyns FOT I sadly report that Evelyn succumbed to pancreatic cancer early yesterday morning. It was a tough 8 months, but she is not suffering now. She truly enjoyed her time at the track with her Triumph friends.
> 
>     Marty Sukey
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Jun  1 10:26:44 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evelyn Sukey
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Deepest condolences.  

Godspeed Evelyn.  

> On Jun 1, 2023, at 12:07 PM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?
> Because so many of my FOT were also my wife Evelyns FOT I sadly report that Evelyn succumbed to pancreatic cancer early yesterday morning. It was a tough 8 months, but she is not suffering now. She truly enjoyed her time at the track with her Triumph friends.
> 
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Jun  1 10:25:41 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 12:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evelyn Sukey
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I am so sorry to hear this Marty, my thoughts are with you.

John
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?
Because so many of my FOT were also my wife Evelyns FOT I sadly report that Evelyn succumbed to pancreatic cancer early yesterday morning. It was a tough 8 months, but she is not suffering now. She truly enjoyed her time at the track with her Triumph friends.

?

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  1 12:14:27 2023
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 18:14:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph for
 racing
Message-ID: <c9f08ca2-d8d5-cb1a-8793-21fdbe546657@earthlink.net>

I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.
Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.
Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.
This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another
It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.

Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?

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From mleccese1 at verizon.net  Thu Jun  1 12:19:09 2023
From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Interesting 20 min vid on bolt clanping vs torque forces,
 and dry vs lubricated differences.
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Sorry for your loss

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  On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 9:20 AM, Dan via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   https://youtu.be/VJFYkmYX-aA
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Thu Jun  1 12:38:02 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:38:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evelyn Sukey
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So very sorry for your loss.  Hopefully the good memories will bring you comfort.  Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: marty sukey via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 9:10 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Evelyn Sukey

Because so many of my FOT were also my wife Evelyns FOT I sadly report that Evelyn succumbed to pancreatic cancer early yesterday morning. It was a tough 8 months, but she is not suffering now. She truly enjoyed her time at the track with her Triumph friends.

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  1 21:13:40 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 03:13:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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Hi Mike,
We are running what is essentially a 35 amp Kubota alternator. ?It?s a denso unit with a one wire setup. ? Our local alternator shop assembled it to spec from their selection of ?legos.? ? Dad had a one wire unit like you described that failed, and they were able to copy it with their parts. ?(Chelmsford Auto Electric in Tyngsboro, MA).?
I hope that helps!
Dave Gott



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On Thursday, June 1, 2023, 5:11 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.

Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.

Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.

This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another

It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.

?

Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?

?

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jun  1 21:48:47 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 20:48:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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Mike,
Here are a couple photos of the alt. setup on my TR3.  You can get the necessary info from the photos.  I think it's a GM S10 pickup or Geo alt.  I modified the mount that attaches to the block.  It is visible in one of the images.  It is a 60 amp alt. as I have full road going equipment on my TR.  It was not expensive as far as I can remember.  I can provide more info if you need it. 
Dave H.
831-234-4928
 

> On 06/01/2023 11:14 AM PDT Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.
> 
> Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.
> 
> Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.
> 
> This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another
> 
> It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?
> 
>  
> 
> Mike Jackson
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  1 22:06:06 2023
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 21:06:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Jun  2 04:10:25 2023
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 06:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jun  2 07:08:42 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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I think this is the same unit. Reliable for a decade so far. No shop conversion necessary. Just connect to the right terminal for single wire operation



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2023, at 12:24 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mike,
> Here are a couple photos of the alt. setup on my TR3.  You can get the necessary info from the photos.  I think it's a GM S10 pickup or Geo alt.  I modified the mount that attaches to the block.  It is visible in one of the images.  It is a 60 amp alt. as I have full road going equipment on my TR.  It was not expensive as far as I can remember.  I can provide more info if you need it. 
> Dave H.
> 831-234-4928
>  
>> On 06/01/2023 11:14 AM PDT Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.
>> Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.
>> Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.
>> This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another
>> It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.
>>  
>> Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?
>>  
>> Mike Jackson
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jun  2 07:24:14 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:24:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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That looks like the unit on my TR-3 as well.? As I recall, it was a Geo unit of some
kind.? There are instructions out there somewhere from the late '90s about using
these on Triumphs.

Hope that helps,
John
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 20:48:47 -0700 (PDT), DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Mike,

Here are a couple photos of the alt. setup on my TR3.? You can get the necessary info from the photos.? I think it's a GM S10 pickup or Geo alt.? I modified the mount that attaches to the block.? It is visible in one of the images.? It is a 60 amp alt. as I have full road going equipment on my TR.? It was not expensive as far as I can remember.? I can provide more info if you need it.?

Dave H.

831-234-4928

?


On 06/01/2023 11:14 AM PDT Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

?


I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.

Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.

Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.

This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another

It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.

?

Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?

?

Mike Jackson

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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  2 07:38:32 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 13:38:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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 I'm running the one below from Amazon. I modified the mounting stud slightly, but it wasn't a big deal.?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DG72K3F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:17:26 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I think this is the same unit. Reliable for a decade so far. No shop conversion necessary. Just connect to the right terminal for single wire operation

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2023, at 12:24 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? 
 Mike,   Here are a couple photos of the alt. setup on my TR3.? You can get the necessary info from the photos.? I think it's a GM S10 pickup or Geo alt.? I modified the mount that attaches to the block.? It is visible in one of the images.? It is a 60 amp alt. as I have full road going equipment on my TR.? It was not expensive as far as I can remember.? I can provide more info if you need it.?   Dave H.   831-234-4928   ?  
  On 06/01/2023 11:14 AM PDT Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?   
I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.
 
Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.
 
Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.
 
This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another
 
It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.
 
?
 
Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?
 
?
 
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Jun  2 08:52:39 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 14:52:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph
 for racing
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DB Electrical, Johnson City TN #28166 $158.00

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Erik Jacobsen via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2023 9:39 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>; Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators have been used on the TRactor TRiumph for racing

I'm running the one below from Amazon. I modified the mounting stud slightly, but it wasn't a big deal.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DG72K3F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:17:26 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


I think this is the same unit. Reliable for a decade so far. No shop conversion necessary. Just connect to the right terminal for single wire operation

[IMG_1937][IMG_1938][IMG_1940]

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On Jun 2, 2023, at 12:24 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
Mike,
Here are a couple photos of the alt. setup on my TR3.  You can get the necessary info from the photos.  I think it's a GM S10 pickup or Geo alt.  I modified the mount that attaches to the block.  It is visible in one of the images.  It is a 60 amp alt. as I have full road going equipment on my TR.  It was not expensive as far as I can remember.  I can provide more info if you need it.
Dave H.
831-234-4928

On 06/01/2023 11:14 AM PDT Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:



I've had a small one wire drag alternator on our TR3 for endless years.

Well, it has failed and even an old school generator shop near by cant get parts to fix it.

Worse yet, he cant figure out what it was originally used on to try and get a new/rebuilt one.

This one has mounting holes roughly 6" apart and whose mounting ears are very nearly flush with one another

It is barely 4' from the front casting to the back of the back plate.



Is there anyone else using a small alternator that has internal regulation they could recommend I look for?



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 09:14:59 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:14:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British Sports Car
 Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <9BE1A5D5-46BE-4533-A9E6-2870606E9B56@gmail.com>

The Hall of Fame Museum is looking for an ARKAY TURBOCHARGER to be put on display at the HOF. We have located one in PA & another in OH, but have failed to secure.

Can anyone help?  This is one part of Kas? Legacy and we would like to capture it at the museum.   Thank you.

Display developed by Dean Tetterton and others.

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From jgtrudeau at comcast.net  Mon Jun  5 10:53:36 2023
From: jgtrudeau at comcast.net (James Trudeau)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:53:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Lime Rock Empire Cup
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It was great to meet many of the FOT racers and families at Lime Rock this weekend. (It was also very reassuring to have so much Triumph knowledge nearby!) Russ?s car treated me well, lowered  my best lap time by 3 seconds, and finished eighth of 22 in the last Group 5 race. 

Looking forward to Thompson next. 

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  5 19:12:37 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 01:12:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] ID for Steering Rack
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I have a couple of steering rack cores and I know one came out of a Spitfire. From the castings on the pinion housing, it looks like they all have the same part number. Is there an easy way to tell the TR6 rack from the Spitfire rack? 

I tried searching on part numbers but not everyone uses Triumph part numbers so my search came up empty.
Feedback is appreciated.
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 02:27:00 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 08:27:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] ID for Steering Rack
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Hi Bob,
Here?s a chart with part numbers and ratios, etc. ?Sounds like there?s an opportunity to quicken a 6 rack with a 6 tooth pinion!
https://www.macleansbridge.com/index.php/triumph-info/technical-information/22-steering-racks?
Does that get you what you need to know?
Dave



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On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 12:32 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a couple of steering rack cores and I know one came out of a Spitfire. From the castings on the pinion housing, it looks like they all have the same part number. Is there an easy way to tell the TR6 rack from the Spitfire rack? 

I tried searching on part numbers but not everyone uses Triumph part numbers so my search came up empty.
Feedback is appreciated.
Regards,Bob Lang
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jun  6 05:42:06 2023
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 11:42:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British Sports
 Car Hall of Fame
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 Forwarded from Friends of Triumph. if anyone has an ARKAY turbocharger, please contact Joe Alexander.
ThanksPaul
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 09:04:23 p.m. EDTSubject: [Fot] Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British Sports Car Hall of Fame
 The Hall of Fame Museum is looking for an ARKAY TURBOCHARGER to be put on display at the HOF. We have located one in PA & another in OH, but have failed to secure.

Can anyone help?? This is one part of Kas? Legacy and we would like to capture it at the museum.? Thank you.

Display developed by Dean Tetterton and others.



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Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 05:51:45 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 06:02:05 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:02:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner=E2=80=99s_ARKAY_TURBO=2E___A_cut-away_vi?=
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FOT

We continue our quest for an example of of one of Kas? ARKAY Turbos. It was an important part of his history and legacy.

It would be on display at the BSCHOF and duly credited.

It may also make an appearance in a targeted Book on Kas Kastner.

Thank you in advance.

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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Tue Jun  6 07:08:22 2023
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:08:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion
Message-ID: <CH2PR04MB68567651CB495F52FB0715E3B452A@CH2PR04MB6856.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

FOT members, I am at my breaking point with transmissions for my racing TR4, six rebuilds in past 4 years, the last 4 professionally. I try to keep my car as original as possible, but this is costing too much, and I am missing too much track time at races.

For RACING only, can anyone give me pros and cons of the conversion. Looking at the Vitesse Mazda conversion.

I know it is not "legal for vintage" but I still want to race and within my budget!!  (Don't know what my budget is)



Thanks, Mike

62 TR4, Race car
63 TR4, Street car

Mike & Becky Moore
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jun  6 07:28:01 2023
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 09:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 07:40:59 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 08:40:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Looking for ARKAY TURBO CHARGER for the British
 Sports Car Hall of Fame
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jun  6 08:27:59 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:27:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion
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 I know it is not ?legal for vintage?
 Cons, well there's that I guess...
Properly set up with good parts, these boxes are pretty robust.What's failing?
Also if you have an early box, the later 6 boxes are better/stronger, better to build up on them.
Glen Efinger.
 
 
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Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion

 <!--#yiv5711730096 filtered {}#yiv5711730096 filtered {}#yiv5711730096 p.yiv5711730096MsoNormal, #yiv5711730096 li.yiv5711730096MsoNormal, #yiv5711730096 div.yiv5711730096MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5711730096 span.yiv5711730096EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv5711730096 .yiv5711730096MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5711730096 filtered {}#yiv5711730096 div.yiv5711730096WordSection1 {}-->FOT members, I am at my breaking point with transmissions for my racing TR4, six rebuilds in past 4 years, the last 4 professionally. I try to keep my car as original as possible, but this is costing too much, and I am missing too much track time at races.  ? For RACING only, can anyone give me pros and cons of the conversion. Looking at the Vitesse Mazda conversion.  ? I know it is not ?legal for vintage? but I still want to race and within my budget!!? (Don?t know what my budget is)  ?  ?  ? Thanks, Mike  ? 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car  ? Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 814-323-0698 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  ?  ? _______________________________________________
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 08:43:24 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Kastner=E2=80=99s_ARKAY_TURBO=2E___A_cut-away_vi?=
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This might be of interest?.

1979 1980 Arkay Turbocharger Kit Information Triumph TR-6 | eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265980443043

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 5:53 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?FOT
> 
> We continue our quest for an example of of one of Kas? ARKAY Turbos. It was an important part of his history and legacy.
> 
> It would be on display at the BSCHOF and duly credited.
> 
> It may also make an appearance in a targeted Book on Kas Kastner.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 09:38:22 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  6 10:05:07 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 16:05:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion
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Right on time, it's the spring transmission debate!  :-)

For my street/track days GT6 (Col. Mustard), I used a Toyota gearbox conversion from Conversion Components in New Zealand.  There was a little weirdness with the badly sized slave cylinder, but other than that I was very happy with the kit.  I have no idea whether he's still in business, as this was a pretty long time ago now.

Like you, I got damned tired of changing the trans.  I got it down to where I could have the old one out and the new one in in under two hours.  Got tired of that.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Moore via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 8:08 AM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion

FOT members, I am at my breaking point with transmissions for my racing TR4, six rebuilds in past 4 years, the last 4 professionally. I try to keep my car as original as possible, but this is costing too much, and I am missing too much track time at races.

For RACING only, can anyone give me pros and cons of the conversion. Looking at the Vitesse Mazda conversion.

I know it is not "legal for vintage" but I still want to race and within my budget!!  (Don't know what my budget is)



Thanks, Mike

62 TR4, Race car
63 TR4, Street car

Mike & Becky Moore
6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415
814-323-0698
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  6 10:22:18 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 11:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race track
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Hi FOT

If you have ever thought of driving on a historic race track, you might look at the ?Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival? site. 

The city is recreating the event held in the 50s and 60s. The event is on public roads around a lake in Lake Garnett Kansas. I remember it as a boy and it attracted Carroll Shelby and the Cobra team, the factory Corvette team and entrants from across the country. At one time there were thousands of spectators. 

The event is Oct 13-15. While is it?s not a sanctioned race it is an opportunity to drive at speed (various classes) as a track day.  It also has an auto cross. 

It?s a low stress way to enjoy your car on track and see a lot of vintage cars. 

Cheers

Dennis Walje
1968 GT6

Sent from my iPhone

From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 11:27:01 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:27:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Kastner=E2=80=99s_ARKAY_TURBO=2E___A_cut-away_vi?=
 =?utf-8?b?ZXcu?=
In-Reply-To: <19AC97A5-AC6E-487C-BC89-C86CAD8ABF1E@gmail.com>
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Yes, I bought one and then lost it.  Thanks Justin.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 AM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This might be of interest?.
> 
> 1979 1980 Arkay Turbocharger Kit Information Triumph TR-6 | eBay
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/265980443043
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 5:53 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?FOT
>> 
>> We continue our quest for an example of of one of Kas? ARKAY Turbos. It was an important part of his history and legacy.
>> 
>> It would be on display at the BSCHOF and duly credited.
>> 
>> It may also make an appearance in a targeted Book on Kas Kastner.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 11:36:49 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:36:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Kastner=E2=80=99s_ARKAY_TURBO=2E_A_cut-away_view?=
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I bought it. I will add it to Kas's collection of photos.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 11:07 AM J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> This might be of interest?.
>
> 1979 1980 Arkay Turbocharger Kit Information Triumph TR-6 | eBay
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/265980443043
>
> > On Jun 6, 2023, at 5:53 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?FOT
> >
> > We continue our quest for an example of of one of Kas? ARKAY Turbos. It
> was an important part of his history and legacy.
> >
> > It would be on display at the BSCHOF and duly credited.
> >
> > It may also make an appearance in a targeted Book on Kas Kastner.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > <image0.jpeg>
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > 4505 Donald Dr
> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> > The-vintage-racer.com
> > Gasketinnovations.com
> > Cell:  319.464.4711
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:40:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 5 speed conversion
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From harveykinnard at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 14:31:07 2023
From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race track
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 12:52 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi FOT
> 
> If you have ever thought of driving on a historic race track, you might look at the ?Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival? site. 
> 
> The city is recreating the event held in the 50s and 60s. The event is on public roads around a lake in Lake Garnett Kansas. I remember it as a boy and it attracted Carroll Shelby and the Cobra team, the factory Corvette team and entrants from across the country. At one time there were thousands of spectators.
> 
> The event is Oct 13-15. While is it?s not a sanctioned race it is an opportunity to drive at speed (various classes) as a track day.  It also has an auto cross. 
> 
> It?s a low stress way to enjoy your car on track and see a lot of vintage cars. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 1968 GT6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Hello FOT,
I want to second this Track and Event. If you pony up and join Heartland Vintage Racing for less than $100.00 you can run in the Vintage Racing Class without any speed restrictions. There are two actual racing classes, one for vintage racers and one for modern race cars. The track is not wide so smaller cars do well, often beating the big hp cars. The cars that show up are surprising, from super impressive to super, what was that. If you check out Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival you will begin to get a feel for this historic track. When Shelby showed up to contest the ?factory? Corvettes 60,000 spectators showed up and completely overwhelmed tiny Garnett. Full disclosure, they still won?t let anyone race into the sharp turn onto the dam. A chicane of hay bales prevents that. It is a course that requires your full attention. There is no qualifying or timing and scoring so you?ll have to figure out how you are doing on your own.  It is a great course for Triumphs. This year will be the 10th anniversary of the event. Love to see everyone there.
Harvey Kinnard
Red TR 4 #111

> 

From harveykinnard at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 14:43:36 2023
From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race track
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Harvey Kinnard <harveykinnard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 12:52 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi FOT
>> 
>> If you have ever thought of driving on a historic race track, you might look at the ?Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival? site. 
>> 
>> The city is recreating the event held in the 50s and 60s. The event is on public roads around a lake in Lake Garnett Kansas. I remember it as a boy and it attracted Carroll Shelby and the Cobra team, the factory Corvette team and entrants from across the country. At one time there were thousands of spectators.
>> 
>> The event is Oct 13-15. While is it?s not a sanctioned race it is an opportunity to drive at speed (various classes) as a track day.  It also has an auto cross. 
>> 
>> It?s a low stress way to enjoy your car on track and see a lot of vintage cars. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dennis Walje
>> 1968 GT6
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> 
> Hello FOT,
> I want to second this Track and Event. If you pony up and join Heartland Vintage Racing for less than $100.00 you can run in the Vintage Racing Class without any speed restrictions. There are two actual racing classes, one for vintage racers and one for modern race cars. The track is not wide so smaller cars do well, often beating the big hp cars. The cars that show up are surprising, from super impressive to super, what was that. If you check out Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival you will begin to get a feel for this historic track. When Shelby showed up to contest the ?factory? Corvettes 60,000 spectators showed up and completely overwhelmed tiny Garnett. Full disclosure, they still won?t let anyone race into the sharp turn onto the dam. A chicane of hay bales prevents that. It is a course that requires your full attention. There is no qualifying or timing and scoring so you?ll have to figure out how you are doing on your own.  It is a great course for Triumphs. This year will be the 10th anniversary of the event. Love to see everyone there.
> Harvey Kinnard
> Red TR 4 #111
> 
>> 

From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 15:07:36 2023
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race track
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 I drove it last year. I had a good time. The organizers are very friendly and want you to enjoy the event. My only reason for not doing it again is the road isn't very smooth. A more compliant suspension car may handle it okay.
Ken Suhre
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:35:16 PM CDT, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi FOT

If you have ever thought of driving on a historic race track, you might look at the ?Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival? site. 

The city is recreating the event held in the 50s and 60s. The event is on public roads around a lake in Lake Garnett Kansas. I remember it as a boy and it attracted Carroll Shelby and the Cobra team, the factory Corvette team and entrants from across the country. At one time there were thousands of spectators. 

The event is Oct 13-15. While is it?s not a sanctioned race it is an opportunity to drive at speed (various classes) as a track day.? It also has an auto cross. 

It?s a low stress way to enjoy your car on track and see a lot of vintage cars. 

Cheers

Dennis Walje
1968 GT6

Sent from my iPhone
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Jun  6 17:41:06 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 18:41:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race track
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Yeah, this was a big deal race back in the day. My beloved yellow car raced there several times back in the early days.... driven at the time by the great David Dooley.
I?d love to bring the car ?back home again? to the event.
This has been on my bucket list for some time now.
Thanks for the reminder.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Ken Suhre via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I drove it last year. I had a good time. The organizers are very friendly and want you to enjoy the event. My only reason for not doing it again is the road isn't very smooth. A more compliant suspension car may handle it okay.
> 
> Ken Suhre
> 
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:35:16 PM CDT, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi FOT
> 
> If you have ever thought of driving on a historic race track, you might look at the ?Lake Garnett Grand Prix Revival? site. 
> 
> The city is recreating the event held in the 50s and 60s. The event is on public roads around a lake in Lake Garnett Kansas. I remember it as a boy and it attracted Carroll Shelby and the Cobra team, the factory Corvette team and entrants from across the country. At one time there were thousands of spectators. 
> 
> The event is Oct 13-15. While is it?s not a sanctioned race it is an opportunity to drive at speed (various classes) as a track day.  It also has an auto cross. 
> 
> It?s a low stress way to enjoy your car on track and see a lot of vintage cars. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 1968 GT6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 08:45:24 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 09:45:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thank you! My quest for an ARKAY TURBO CHARGER A Kastner
 Legacy.
Message-ID: <419084CC-A08E-466A-91A4-54A98401E41D@gmail.com>

FOT came thru.  I will report on the progress of getting the Turbo to the Hall of Fame.

Any other artifacts you might have would be gladly accepted, as we develop the British Sports Car Hall of Fame Museum at Petersburg, VA.

Join us at the Induction Ceremony, Class of 2023, at Road America in July. Thursday Welcome Party.

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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 15:21:30 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 21:21:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] SKF 13509 Seals
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Hi,
I've been poking around looking for the wheel bearing seals for the uprated front axles and I'm coming up with either blanks or availability around 4 weeks out. I haven;t found a local bearing supply place yet, still looking.

Can anyone suggest a vendor that might have a few in stock?
Just curious (but I need to pull a wheel to replace a rotor and I don't want to risk messing up the existing seal)...
Regards,Bob Lang
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 15:46:48 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SKF 13509 Seals
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Bob, I found a pair on eBay in NY
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373962585675

mike

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 5:40?PM Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been poking around looking for the wheel bearing seals for the
> uprated front axles and I'm coming up with either blanks or availability
> around 4 weeks out. I haven;t found a local bearing supply place yet, still
> looking.
>
> Can anyone suggest a vendor that might have a few in stock?
>
> Just curious (but I need to pull a wheel to replace a rotor and I don't
> want to risk messing up the existing seal)...
>
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 07:39:49 2023
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 08:39:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Frame
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Hi Friends.
 I'm looking for a solid GT6 frame to rebuild a 72 MK2.
  I'm located in central Wisconsin for distance reference.
            Bye the way, and this may sound strange but has anyone tried
stretching the wheel base on a GT6 ?
                Thanks.  P.J.
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  8 13:27:10 2023
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:27:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Frame
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This GT6 was stretched 10? by a guy in our club in Houston. So, yes it?s been done.

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Another guy in Houston has a good GT6 rolling chassis with drive train he?ll sell. It was earmarked for his Herald project which is now my teenage daughter?s Herald project that isn?t using GT6 donor parts ( but is getting a 1500, SU?s, j-type, 4:11, swing spring, front discs, full gauges, etc. basically the best Spit parts in a Herald.)

Let me know if you want to connect with either of these GT6 guys.

Dustin Nicholson 
281-871-9623

> On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:12 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> Hi Friends.
>  I'm looking for a solid GT6 frame to rebuild a 72 MK2.
>   I'm located in central Wisconsin for distance reference.
>             Bye the way, and this may sound strange but has anyone tried stretching the wheel base on a GT6 ?
>                 Thanks.  P.J.
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:31:45 2023
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 18:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Frame
In-Reply-To: <46AC00D7-870D-4511-96A6-DBB970CA0D3C@yahoo.com>
References: <CAAGAaPWm5KVZkNxGxCsj6fSAavbOMhTHuqsg479F3D8jXsHjdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <46AC00D7-870D-4511-96A6-DBB970CA0D3C@yahoo.com>
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hmm I'm guessing he ditched the rotoflex rear end.......

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 2:27?PM dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> This GT6 was stretched 10? by a guy in our club in Houston. So, yes it?s
> been done.
>
>
>
> Another guy in Houston has a good GT6 rolling chassis with drive train
> he?ll sell. It was earmarked for his Herald project which is now my teenage
> daughter?s Herald project that isn?t using GT6 donor parts ( but is getting
> a 1500, SU?s, j-type, 4:11, swing spring, front discs, full gauges, etc.
> basically the best Spit parts in a Herald.)
>
> Let me know if you want to connect with either of these GT6 guys.
>
> Dustin Nicholson
> 281-871-9623
>
> > On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:12 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >  I'm looking for a solid GT6 frame to rebuild a 72 MK2.
> >   I'm located in central Wisconsin for distance reference.
> >             Bye the way, and this may sound strange but has anyone tried
> stretching the wheel base on a GT6 ?
> >                 Thanks.  P.J.
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:53:28 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 19:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Frame
In-Reply-To: <46AC00D7-870D-4511-96A6-DBB970CA0D3C@yahoo.com>
References: <CAAGAaPWm5KVZkNxGxCsj6fSAavbOMhTHuqsg479F3D8jXsHjdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <46AC00D7-870D-4511-96A6-DBB970CA0D3C@yahoo.com>
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Actually, it's done well, for an Abomination.

mike h

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:15?PM dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This GT6 was stretched 10? by a guy in our club in Houston. So, yes it?s
> been done.
>
>
>
> Another guy in Houston has a good GT6 rolling chassis with drive train
> he?ll sell. It was earmarked for his Herald project which is now my teenage
> daughter?s Herald project that isn?t using GT6 donor parts ( but is getting
> a 1500, SU?s, j-type, 4:11, swing spring, front discs, full gauges, etc.
> basically the best Spit parts in a Herald.)
>
> Let me know if you want to connect with either of these GT6 guys.
>
> Dustin Nicholson
> 281-871-9623
>
> > On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:12 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >  I'm looking for a solid GT6 frame to rebuild a 72 MK2.
> >   I'm located in central Wisconsin for distance reference.
> >             Bye the way, and this may sound strange but has anyone tried
> stretching the wheel base on a GT6 ?
> >                 Thanks.  P.J.
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 11:20:07 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Car for sale in 1971 R&T
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaTfmA1rT0yxBOXxduf0Zkqd6KyzUgV0xULk1Bf06vyiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking through an old issue of Road and Track and came across an ad
for Kas's TR-250K car. Someone , at BRE, department K, was selling the car.
Low miles, in storge since 1969
Asking price $8,800 or trade for a "1938 Squire with Van Den Plas  roadster
type body".

Anyone bringing the car to the K Cup again? If so, I'll bring out the
magazine and give it to you.

mike h
[image: TR 250 ad.jpg]
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  9 12:17:38 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 18:17:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Car for sale in 1971 R&T
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Message-ID: <2146525224.95588.1686334658587@mail.yahoo.com>

 I saw Tony listed in the entries. driving the? 250k. so. I'mpretty sure it'll be there.
c yarml

    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 01:30:51 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I was looking through an old issue of Road and Track and came across an ad for Kas's TR-250K car. Someone , at BRE, department K, was selling the car. Low miles, in storge since 1969Asking price $8,800 or trade for a "1938 Squire with Van Den Plas? roadster type body".
Anyone bringing the car to the K Cup again? If so, I'll bring out the magazine and give it to you.
mike h
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Tue Jun 13 08:38:28 2023
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:38:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Gearbox
Message-ID: <CH2PR04MB6856998A4A4DE5058446A622B455A@CH2PR04MB6856.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I would like to thank everyone for their input, the wisdom of the group is infinite!

So I have decided to stay with the TR gearbox. I have picked up the broken gearbox and am rebuilding it myself, with many phone calls to Henry Fry. I have enough replacements parts.

Hopefully it will work correctly and I will keep my other one as a backup for the two races for PVGP in July

Then I will send one of them to Jason Sukey for a professionally rebuild.

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Jun 16 12:50:04 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:50:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dateline: Mosport - VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
Message-ID: <0296cd2e0acfb3e12d87920693fa8363@tr4racer.com>

Coming off an incredible weekend last month at Summit Point where he 
scored two race wins, John Styduhar has secured the pole position for 
his group. John shares the front row with a well driven Midget who 
traded the fast lap time back and forth during qualifying. Tomorrow the 
real racing begins, you go John!

From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 18 09:14:32 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:14:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 - Distributor Dimension
References: <1621303350.1579683.1687101272507.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1621303350.1579683.1687101272507@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a complete TR-3 distributor laying around?? I need to know the dimension from the bottom of the distributor housing, where it sits on the block (without the hold down clamp) to the bottom of the drive gear (ignore the 2 tabs which interface with the drive gear).
In my race car, I used a Datsun B210 electronic distributor as my backup ignition.? Primary was a crank trigger.? This Datsun distributor slid right into the hole in the Triumph distributor pedestal, But the shaft was a little bit longer.? So, I had to shim it with a spacer between the bottom of the distributor body, and the distributor housing.
I recently picked up a new Datsun distributor on Ebay, and I am preparing to put it in my street TR-3.? I'm trying to get all the preparations done before I take the Lucas distributor out of my TR-3, as I drive it regularly.? The dimension I need (above) will allow me to make up a spacer of the correct thickness.
Bryan Braselton, if you read this and still have the distributor setup I had on the car, maybe you can measure the thickness of the shim between the distributor and the distributor pedestal (I think it was about 5/16" thick).? That will save me from doing the calculation.? I have a wiring diagram for this electronic distributor setup if anyone is interested.? The Datsun distributor was about $65 on Ebay.
Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
Jack Wheeler
















































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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Jun 20 07:13:24 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:13:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
Message-ID: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>

The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye

From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 07:34:59 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 08:34:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
In-Reply-To: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
References: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaFi6_LnRXuddUGPmZx-WU2_6txkq=pjAVwLeW5tO7JOA@mail.gmail.com>

We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race
reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to
that effect...

Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional
> sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last
> race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the
> sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to
> the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up
> the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in
> position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It
> was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal
> from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined
> up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never
> take the green flag.
>
> The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on
> the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked.
> Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for
> conditions, good luck finding any!
>
> As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The
> TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast
> Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go
> pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick
> can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on
> anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the
> downpour was negligible!
>
> As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your
> typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and
> try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears
> into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to
> reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me
> with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these
> conditions!
>
> Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after
> about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers
> crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track
> knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver
> extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going
> "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???"
> Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and
> naturally the Race Director says yes!
>
> After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could
> actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget,
> rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the
> track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining
> laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings
> and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing
> it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the
> runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten
> around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the
> side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan
> is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He
> has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he
> didn?t even lose his position to Mark!
>
> By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make
> a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get
> into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva
> going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my
> gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm
> going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on
> my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two
> good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he
> needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the
> one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for
> the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past
> Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for
> a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of
> sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a
> much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish.
> Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097
> seconds!
>
> Epic Triumph finish!
>
> Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from
> Moss Corner, take a look!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059
>
> Henry Frye
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Jun 20 07:40:46 2023
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 13:40:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
In-Reply-To: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
References: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
Message-ID: <2103139134.1296564.1687268446072@mail.yahoo.com>

 Great report and fabulous pictures, thanks for sharing
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 09:32:58 a.m. EDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 07:49:58 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 13:49:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
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 Shawn,Sounds like a great idea! I spent a lot of this weekend behind Triumphs at Blackhawk! The Alexander clan was in full force, and proceeded to kick my butt all weekend!
Jake
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 08:44:19 AM CDT, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to that effect...
Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jun 20 08:09:55 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
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Congratulations on your win.  Another excellent race report.
Fantastic images by the photographer.  Great stuff overall.
Cheers, Dave H. 
> On 06/20/2023 6:13 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
> sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
> race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
> sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
> the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
> the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
> position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
> was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
> from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
> up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
> take the green flag.
> 
> The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
> the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
> Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
> conditions, good luck finding any!
> 
> As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
> TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
> Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
> pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
> can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
> anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
> downpour was negligible!
> 
> As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
> typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
> try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
> into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
> reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
> with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
> conditions!
> 
> Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
> about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
> crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
> knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
> extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
> "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
> Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
> naturally the Race Director says yes!
> 
> After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
> actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
> rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
> track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
> laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
> and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
> it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
> runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
> around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
> side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
> is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
> has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
> didn?t even lose his position to Mark!
> 
> By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
> a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
> into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
> going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
> gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
> going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
> my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
> good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
> needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
> one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
> the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
> Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
> a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
> sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
> much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
> Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
> seconds!
> 
> Epic Triumph finish!
> 
> Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
> Moss Corner, take a look!
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059
> 
> Henry Frye
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From russell.pierce at lpl.com  Tue Jun 20 08:29:31 2023
From: russell.pierce at lpl.com (Pierce, Russell)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:29:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
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I completely agree. I have been pushing the idea of more historic Triumph race car participation in the annual VTR convention. Last year there was a new awards category for race cars which is a good place to encourage mare participation. I believe in 2010 Bob Tullius had two of the Group 44 cars on display.

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Shawn Frank via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 9:35 AM
To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix

We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to that effect...

Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...
Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked.
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???"
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget,
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish.
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059__;!!Cz2fjcuE!m6n8Fkqvfh_6aftOcXUZnKpOohg0g9GAyWWMbWVFpS1DONRjrL79DnR_R0KXodlrU5t-VO2UjNTotCkP$>

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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Tue Jun 20 09:17:03 2023
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:17:03 +0000 (UTC)
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Triumph count for Blackhawk.3 - TR4s All of them red!3 - GT6s All of them fast.1 - Very quick Spitfire!?1 - AmbroA great weekend and I think fun was had by all! Thanks to the Alaxander clan for hosting the cold track social gathering with food, beverages, and a big screen TV to watch the days racing together. This was my first Blackhawk weekend, and I can't wait to get back next year!
Greg ThompsonRed 14?? 

    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 09:47:38 AM CDT, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Shawn,Sounds like a great idea! I spent a lot of this weekend behind Triumphs at Blackhawk! The Alexander clan was in full force, and proceeded to kick my butt all weekend!
Jake
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 08:44:19 AM CDT, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to that effect...
Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...

Shawn Frank
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Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 20 09:36:38 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:36:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
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The man does have a way with words, not a bad driver also I hear. ?

Marty
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 10:09 AM
To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>; yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix

Congratulations on your win.  Another excellent race report.
Fantastic images by the photographer.  Great stuff overall.
Cheers, Dave H.
> On 06/20/2023 6:13 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional
> sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last
> race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the
> sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to
> the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up
> the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in
> position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It
> was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal
> from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined
> up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never
> take the green flag.
>
> The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on
> the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked.
> Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for
> conditions, good luck finding any!
>
> As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The
> TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast
> Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go
> pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick
> can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on
> anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the
> downpour was negligible!
>
> As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your
> typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and
> try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears
> into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to
> reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me
> with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these
> conditions!
>
> Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after
> about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers
> crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track
> knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver
> extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going
> "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???"
> Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and
> naturally the Race Director says yes!
>
> After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could
> actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget,
> rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the
> track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining
> laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings
> and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing
> it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the
> runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten
> around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the
> side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan
> is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He
> has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he
> didn?t even lose his position to Mark!
>
> By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make
> a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get
> into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva
> going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my
> gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm
> going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on
> my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two
> good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he
> needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the
> one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for
> the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past
> Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for
> a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of
> sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a
> much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish.
> Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097
> seconds!
>
> Epic Triumph finish!
>
> Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from
> Moss Corner, take a look!
>
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Tue Jun 20 10:58:20 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:58:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
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Henry, as always you are too modest, your talent behind the wheel shows once again!

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 9:13 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix

The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Jun 21 06:46:32 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 08:46:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Report - VARAC Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <1a4924089c39c88afb3b1a9a3a37b11b@tr4racer.com>

Following up from yesterday's report on the TR-MG challenge race, the 
rest of the weekend was just as much fun. Two things really pop out at 
you, VARAC has got the "festival event" concept nailed down. The drivers 
and crew had dinner provided Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights, with 
free beer every night, lots of socializing and live music. The local 
brewery did 4 special labeled beers, 3 of which I sampled and can say 
they were all quite good. Tons of spectators camping all around the 
track, walking through the paddock, lots of interaction with both 
racers/crews and spectators. Plus, the hospitality shown by VARAC to 
everybody continues to be the top notch. Second, how does 222 miles of 
timed track time at one of the premiere road courses in North America 
for an entry fee of US$508.52 sound? That is not a typo, I was scored 
for 89 timed laps and the entry fee was Canadian$675, my credit card was 
charged US$508.52. My entry fee worked out to $2.29 per mile of track 
time, that is really hard to beat at any track, let alone a bucket list 
track that hosted F1 back in the day!

A word about how the event runs for our cars, VARAC runs two run groups 
of Vintage Historic leading up to the Sunday afternoon feature race, at 
which time the two run groups get combined so we run all Vintage 
Historic cars together. The two groups are divided by classes that are 
set by lap times, you get to chose what class you run! It's all about 
car and driver potential, not displacement.

VH1 runs under 1.35
VH2 runs between 1.35 to 1.40
VH3 runs between 1.40 to 1.45
VH4 runs between 1.45 to 1.50
VH5 runs between 1.50 to 1.55
VH6 runs over 1.55

You say that sounds like bracket racing? It is bracket racing! If you go 
faster than your bogey time during the feature race you are disqualified 
from the podium. Also, VARAC rules state your starting position for the 
next race is determined by your finishing position of the last race, so 
if you have an issue you start from where you end up on the results 
sheet and have to work your way back up through the field. The Canadian 
racers are quite competitive, and the vast majority are good, clean 
drivers. Many of them have lots of laps at Mosport, and track knowledge 
is critical here. To run well here, you need to be a quick study as the 
track has very fast blind corners, and realize that middle pedal doesn't 
get a whole lot of use!

As heard from around the paddock, "Those American Triumphs are taking 
all our trophies." Well, we did take home quite the pile of the big 
First Place trophies! In addition to taking the TR-MG Challenge top 
award...

VH3 - Henry Frye, 1st place
VH4 - John Styduhar, 1st place
VH6 - Tim Slater, 1st place

I would be remiss to not do a shout-out to John Styduhar. John qualified 
on the pole for his run group, VH4, 5 and 6. It looked like his main 
competition was going to be a very fast Canadian Midget, the two of them 
trading fast laps during qualifying. As the races progressed over the 
weekend, the Midget had an issue and started the next race from the 
back, so John had at least one race without that guy to worry about, but 
a Cortina and a Lotus 7 were all over him until the Midget caught back 
up to the front. In that final race before VH4, 5 and 6 got combined 
with the faster group, John fell back to as far as 5th place early on, 
then worked his way back to the front to take the overall win! For those 
of you keeping track, John's first race wins came last time out at 
Summit Point, so he continues to show what a well prepared and driven 
Triumph is capable of. Well done, John!

Until next time...

Henry Frye

From johnstydo at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 10:05:51 2023
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 12:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Race Report - VARAC Vintage Grand Prix
In-Reply-To: <1a4924089c39c88afb3b1a9a3a37b11b@tr4racer.com>
References: <1a4924089c39c88afb3b1a9a3a37b11b@tr4racer.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcEqEdhGtPHY+1W9inEM20_nqRRce37P3+T=JDCXygz4HA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Henry for the nice write-up.  All the TR cars performed very well
throughout the weekend.  A testament to the durability of the marque.  Like
Kas said, "never be beaten by equipment".   It really showed up in my run
group.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 8:50?AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Following up from yesterday's report on the TR-MG challenge race, the
> rest of the weekend was just as much fun. Two things really pop out at
> you, VARAC has got the "festival event" concept nailed down. The drivers
> and crew had dinner provided Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights, with
> free beer every night, lots of socializing and live music. The local
> brewery did 4 special labeled beers, 3 of which I sampled and can say
> they were all quite good. Tons of spectators camping all around the
> track, walking through the paddock, lots of interaction with both
> racers/crews and spectators. Plus, the hospitality shown by VARAC to
> everybody continues to be the top notch. Second, how does 222 miles of
> timed track time at one of the premiere road courses in North America
> for an entry fee of US$508.52 sound? That is not a typo, I was scored
> for 89 timed laps and the entry fee was Canadian$675, my credit card was
> charged US$508.52. My entry fee worked out to $2.29 per mile of track
> time, that is really hard to beat at any track, let alone a bucket list
> track that hosted F1 back in the day!
>
> A word about how the event runs for our cars, VARAC runs two run groups
> of Vintage Historic leading up to the Sunday afternoon feature race, at
> which time the two run groups get combined so we run all Vintage
> Historic cars together. The two groups are divided by classes that are
> set by lap times, you get to chose what class you run! It's all about
> car and driver potential, not displacement.
>
> VH1 runs under 1.35
> VH2 runs between 1.35 to 1.40
> VH3 runs between 1.40 to 1.45
> VH4 runs between 1.45 to 1.50
> VH5 runs between 1.50 to 1.55
> VH6 runs over 1.55
>
> You say that sounds like bracket racing? It is bracket racing! If you go
> faster than your bogey time during the feature race you are disqualified
> from the podium. Also, VARAC rules state your starting position for the
> next race is determined by your finishing position of the last race, so
> if you have an issue you start from where you end up on the results
> sheet and have to work your way back up through the field. The Canadian
> racers are quite competitive, and the vast majority are good, clean
> drivers. Many of them have lots of laps at Mosport, and track knowledge
> is critical here. To run well here, you need to be a quick study as the
> track has very fast blind corners, and realize that middle pedal doesn't
> get a whole lot of use!
>
> As heard from around the paddock, "Those American Triumphs are taking
> all our trophies." Well, we did take home quite the pile of the big
> First Place trophies! In addition to taking the TR-MG Challenge top
> award...
>
> VH3 - Henry Frye, 1st place
> VH4 - John Styduhar, 1st place
> VH6 - Tim Slater, 1st place
>
> I would be remiss to not do a shout-out to John Styduhar. John qualified
> on the pole for his run group, VH4, 5 and 6. It looked like his main
> competition was going to be a very fast Canadian Midget, the two of them
> trading fast laps during qualifying. As the races progressed over the
> weekend, the Midget had an issue and started the next race from the
> back, so John had at least one race without that guy to worry about, but
> a Cortina and a Lotus 7 were all over him until the Midget caught back
> up to the front. In that final race before VH4, 5 and 6 got combined
> with the faster group, John fell back to as far as 5th place early on,
> then worked his way back to the front to take the overall win! For those
> of you keeping track, John's first race wins came last time out at
> Summit Point, so he continues to show what a well prepared and driven
> Triumph is capable of. Well done, John!
>
> Until next time...
>
> Henry Frye
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Wed Jun 21 11:55:04 2023
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:55:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
In-Reply-To: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
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 The event sounds like a great time!? It's fitting that two Cup winners would finish in just about a dead heat...

    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023, 9:34:55 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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http://www.fot-racing.com

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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 12:37:47 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-MG Challenge race at the VARAC Vintage Gran Prix
In-Reply-To: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
References: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
Message-ID: <3426F897-D254-44E6-B2F8-F58FA5D19952@gmail.com>

Congrats and great write up!  My plan is to join you there next year.  

Chuck

> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:22 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never take the green flag.
> 
> The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for conditions, good luck finding any!
> 
> As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the downpour was negligible!
> 
> As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these conditions!
> 
> Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and naturally the Race Director says yes!
> 
> After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he didn?t even lose his position to Mark!
> 
> By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 seconds!
> 
> Epic Triumph finish!
> 
> Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from Moss Corner, take a look!
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059
> 
> Henry Frye
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jun 21 12:59:17 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:59:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 race project
Message-ID: <015558F1-549D-4C66-A778-5C614CAA1A33@me.com>

on race-cars.com <http://race-cars.com/>
if this is still for sale, it?s a cool project car with a history.  https://www.race-cars.com/Advert/Details/131912/ex-arrc-triumph-gt6-project-whistory <https://www.race-cars.com/Advert/Details/131912/ex-arrc-triumph-gt6-project-whistory>

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 21 15:45:01 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 21:45:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] MGA For Sale
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 I have no personal interest in this, it is coming from a member of our British Car club.? I have seen the car and it is beautiful.? If you know of anyone who might be interested, please contact Mike Hetzler at union156 at gmail..com.
Jack

   

?
It iswith great regret that we have decided to sell two of our vehicles.Unfortunately, post-military retirement has not offered the time off both Cindyand I had hoped for. We very much wanted to offer it to any BATS members or friends of the club before advertising in NC or further.
?

Ours is a 1960 Red MGA in exceptional condition (Chassis: GHNL 81194). She presently reads 16501 on the mileagegauge (TMU) and is in a perfect running state but requires lead additive tofuel. All scheduled maintenance with regular oil changes. Absolute minimalcosmetic issues and the only glitch is a non-operable gas gauge. 

?

Ouroriginal purchase of this is also hyperlinked below for additional history.

??????????? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-mg-mga-10/

?

We areasking $22,000 firm and hope to deliver her to a more appreciative steward.




Mike Hetzler.


    
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From emanteno at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 11:58:29 2023
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:58:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk weekend
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References: <ccad61be3547a30d520d88b99ddbfd26@tr4racer.com>
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We need to not forget the TR7 coupe that also raced at Blackhawk this past
weekend. A great TRiumph turnout, with several younger
drivers on hand, speaks well for the continued strength of the FOT.

Irv Korey
formerly with a red TR4

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:43?PM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Triumph count for Blackhawk.
> 3 - TR4s All of them red!
> 3 - GT6s All of them fast.
> 1 - Very quick Spitfire!
> 1 - Ambro
> A great weekend and I think fun was had by all! Thanks to the Alaxander
> clan for hosting the cold track social gathering with food, beverages, and
> a big screen TV to watch the days racing together. This was my first
> Blackhawk weekend, and I can't wait to get back next year!
>
> Greg Thompson
> Red 14
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 09:47:38 AM CDT, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Shawn,
> Sounds like a great idea! I spent a lot of this weekend behind Triumphs at
> Blackhawk! The Alexander clan was in full force, and proceeded to kick my
> butt all weekend!
>
> Jake
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 08:44:19 AM CDT, Shawn Frank via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race
> reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to
> that effect...
>
> Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...
>
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> Friends of Triumph - Media
> 515-339-4228
>
> 1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional
> sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last
> race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the
> sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to
> the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up
> the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in
> position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It
> was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal
> from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined
> up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never
> take the green flag.
>
> The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on
> the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked.
> Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for
> conditions, good luck finding any!
>
> As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The
> TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast
> Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go
> pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick
> can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on
> anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the
> downpour was negligible!
>
> As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your
> typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and
> try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears
> into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to
> reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me
> with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these
> conditions!
>
> Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after
> about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers
> crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track
> knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver
> extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going
> "Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???"
> Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and
> naturally the Race Director says yes!
>
> After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could
> actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget,
> rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the
> track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining
> laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings
> and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing
> it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the
> runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten
> around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the
> side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan
> is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He
> has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he
> didn?t even lose his position to Mark!
>
> By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make
> a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get
> into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva
> going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my
> gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm
> going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on
> my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two
> good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he
> needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the
> one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for
> the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past
> Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for
> a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of
> sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a
> much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish.
> Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097
> seconds!
>
> Epic Triumph finish!
>
> Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from
> Moss Corner, take a look!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059
>
> Henry Frye
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Tue Jun 20 12:10:06 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 18:10:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk weekend
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My bad! Sorry Alex, certainly not intentional.??
Greg Thompson? 

    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 12:59:08 PM CDT, Irv Korey <emanteno at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 We need to not forget the TR7 coupe that also raced at Blackhawk this past weekend. A great TRiumph turnout, with several youngerdrivers on hand, speaks well for the continued strength of the FOT.
Irv Koreyformerly with a red TR4

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:43?PM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Triumph count for Blackhawk.3 - TR4s All of them red!3 - GT6s All of them fast.1 - Very quick Spitfire!?1 - AmbroA great weekend and I think fun was had by all! Thanks to the Alaxander clan for hosting the cold track social gathering with food, beverages, and a big screen TV to watch the days racing together. This was my first Blackhawk weekend, and I can't wait to get back next year!
Greg ThompsonRed 14?? 

    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 09:47:38 AM CDT, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Shawn,Sounds like a great idea! I spent a lot of this weekend behind Triumphs at Blackhawk! The Alexander clan was in full force, and proceeded to kick my butt all weekend!
Jake
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 08:44:19 AM CDT, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 We really should have a section in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with race reports and coverage of FOT friendly events... The FOT 411 or something to that effect...
Henry Frye coverage in issue #199, in mailboxes in the next few days...

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 8:17 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The weather threatened to soak us all day, but other than an occasional 
sprinkle that didn't slow anybody down, the rain held off until the last 
race of the day. As the Triumphs and MGs made their way to the grid, the 
sky started to look a little threatening, but nothing to tip us off to 
the unbelievable deluge that was to come. As the grid marshal held up 
the one minute to go sign, a little sprinkle appears. The pace car is in 
position, the lights come on, and suddenly the rain starts bucketing. It 
was a downpour of incredible volume, but nothing stops the grid marshal 
from giving the signal, it?s time to go! More than half the cars lined 
up either don't go out or follow the pace car back to the pits and never 
take the green flag.

The competitors are for the most part in open cars, and by turn two on 
the pace lap those of us exposed to the elements are completely soaked. 
Nobody to my knowledge is on rain tires, and grip is as expected for 
conditions, good luck finding any!

As the field takes the green flag, the rain continues to pour down. The 
TR250 starts on the pole, with Canadian Nick Pratt in his uber-fast 
Midget on the outside. Knowing visibility will be key, I stomp the go 
pedal when the green drops, and keep my eyes up and on the Midget. Nick 
can't put the power down and falls in behind in P2. I can't comment on 
anything further back in the field, visibility in the mirrors during the 
downpour was negligible!

As the field slogs around the Mosport's 2.5 mile track, it is your 
typical go as fast as you dare on the straights, get 'er whoa'ed up and 
try to find grip around the turns. Great fun... The Midget disappears 
into the misty cloud in the rear-view mirror on the straights, only to 
reappear on the corners, Nick is doing an amazing job outbreaking me 
with tires barely suitable for the dry, but nobody expected these 
conditions!

Talking to others, the rain stopped as abruptly as it started after 
about 8 minutes. But it came down so hard and fast that we had rivers 
crossing in places nobody expects unless you have inherent track 
knowledge. Enter Stefan Wiesen, Elva Courier Coupe driver 
extraordinaire, and Mosport expert. Those paying attention are going 
"Wait, how can an Elva gets to run in the TR-MG Challenge race???" 
Stefan's coupe runs an MGB engine, he asked to join the fun, and 
naturally the Race Director says yes!

After a couple laps and the rain had moved off the track and I could 
actually see more than 50 feet in the mirrors. I see the Midget, 
rain-meister Mark Wheatley's TR4 and the Elva. There is not a chance the 
track will get anything that resembles decent grip in the remaining 
laps, and we continue to contend with the aforementioned river crossings 
and a track that, in theory at least, is drying. Stefan is just tearing 
it up, having started from the back he has already passed all the 
runners and has the caught up with the lead group of cars. He has gotten 
around Wheatley's TR4, but I glance in the rear-view mirror to see the 
side of Stefan's car, he is spinning. I think to myself oh boy, Stefan 
is done. I continue my task, and two corners later Stefan is back! He 
has gathered it up and is back in the hunt working on the Midget, he 
didn?t even lose his position to Mark!

By this point, Nick realizes the Midget does not have the tires to make 
a pass for the lead and he backs off a bit. As Stefan working to get 
into position to pass Nick, I glance in the rear view to see the Elva 
going around a second time! But sure enough, a couple corners later, my 
gaze in the rear-view shows Stefan is passing Nick and I realize I'm 
going to have to deal with Stefan after all! The next lap Stefan is on 
my tail and trying to figure out his move to get around me. He makes two 
good attempts to get by in the corners, but just does not have what he 
needs to pull it off. As I work my best to hold off Stefan, we get the 
one to go sign. I glance in the rear view going up the back straight for 
the last time to see Mark has passed the Midget and is motoring past 
Stefan who apparently lost a cylinder! It looks like we were heading for 
a Triumph One/Two finish! Then, I bobble turn 9 and find myself out of 
sorts for the last corner leading to the checkers. Mark is there, got a 
much better line through 10, and it was the drag race to the finish. 
Mark almost catches me, we finish side by side with a gap of .097 
seconds!

Epic Triumph finish!

Nick shared a link to some great pictures of the battle in the rain from 
Moss Corner, take a look!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/evangcan/sets/72177720309161059

Henry Frye
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 08:00:54 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Decals
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Kastner Cup Decals will be available once again at Road America. Gets yours
at the event tent.
You can overlap the decals for each year you have attended.
See you soon!!!
Cheers
Mike Deweerd TR4 #717
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From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 09:39:58 2023
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 11:39:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need help transporting some items to Road America
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FOT 

Need so help moving some parts.

Is anyone passing thru Ohio via the Turnpike who I can meet to transfer and
transport some TR4A Trailing arms and rear axles to a fellow FOT who will be
at RA?

I live minutes away from 2 exits of the Ohio Turnpike (exits 187 I-480
Streetsboro and exit 180 Akron Route 8) Eastern Ohio Cleveland / Akron area)

I'm driving my 4A to RA and can not fit these into the car along with my
luggage. A group of us are leaving on the 13th so hopefully we could meet on
the 12th or sooner or make other arrangements to meet somewhere convenient
for you. I can travel to make this happen, any hours will work to make this
happen.

I'd appreciate your help as I'm clearing out my garage and these parts are
excess to my needs.

Jerry Van Vlack

One of the WPTA faithful supporters of FOT.

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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jun 26 16:02:19 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need help transporting some items to Road America
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Jerry;
We?ll be leaving Massachusetts on the 11th. Could stop by your place late on the 11th. Might be a good overnight stop. Not sure of timing.
We?ll be crowded but could make room if we know need to. Call or email me for more discussion.
Phil Gott
Vfracing at aol.com
508 414 0256

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT
> Need so help moving some parts.
> Is anyone passing thru Ohio via the Turnpike who I can meet to transfer and transport some TR4A Trailing arms and rear axles to a fellow FOT who will be at RA?
> I live minutes away from 2 exits of the Ohio Turnpike (exits 187 I-480 Streetsboro and exit 180 Akron Route 8) Eastern Ohio Cleveland / Akron area)
> I?m driving my 4A to RA and can not fit these into the car along with my luggage. A group of us are leaving on the 13th so hopefully we could meet on the 12th or sooner or make other arrangements to meet somewhere convenient for you. I can travel to make this happen, any hours will work to make this happen.
> I?d appreciate your help as I?m clearing out my garage and these parts are excess to my needs.
> Jerry Van Vlack
> One of the WPTA faithful supporters of FOT.
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 13:47:22 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 14:47:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup Update
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Good afternoon, Amici.
 
 
It has been an absolutely crazy month and I apologize for the delay getting out this much over due update on the Kastner Cup.  First and foremost ? thank you thank you thank you for everyone that has registered.  We are currently at 40 entries and are expecting a handful more ? this will be a fantastic turnout and Road America is very happy about the support you all have shown for the event.  If you are planning on coming but haven?t registered yet please be aware that online registration closes next Monday 7/3 at 10 am Central.  Online registration can be found here: https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/weathertech-international-challenge-july-13th-16th-road-america-327737
 
If you have any questions at all, PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me. 
 
I will be sending more detailed information out next week for everyone, but there are a few things that I wanted to put out there now:
 
    * Paddock Parking ? Road America usually does assigned parking for this event.  At our request, they have allocated us a designated plot of land and are allowing us to organize it as we see fit.  We will be assisting everyone with where they need to be once they get onsite.  With that in mind, most of you that have registered have received an email from me asking questions about multiple thing including when you plan on arriving and if there is someone you would like to be near.  Even if you don?t fill out the driver bio, these 2 pieces of information would be very helpful in helping us plan.  If you haven?t received this email from me yet you will shortly.
 
    * Triumph Street Car Parking ? if you are driving your non-racing Triumph to the event, Road America has graciously given us additional space inside the track paddock for these cars to be parked and displayed!  The document I send next week will have specifics on how you will check in but please spread the word that anyone driving their classic Triumph car to the event will be able to park in the competition paddock near the race cars!  Note that due to the size of this event paddock parking is by permit only and restricted so this is a big get for the Triumph community!
 
 
    * Competition Schedule ? on the event Website for the WeatherTech International Challenge there is a link to a Provisional schedule.  They are still moving things around so run group times throughout the weekend will still move a little but the Kastner Cup will be at 11:30 am on Sunday July 16th.  Next week I will be sending out a condensed version of the schedule with only the times/events pertinent to FOT included to make it easier to digest. 
 
    * British Sportscar Hall of Fame Induction ? the British Sportscar Hall of Fame induction ceremony is being held as part of the Welcome Reception at the track on Thursday evening.  Please make time to come to support this event as our very own Mark Bradakis will be among the honorees along with a posthumous induction for Triumph hotshoe Brian Fuerstenau.  The ceremony will begin at 6 pm on Thursday 7/13 at the Road America Center.
 
 
    * Special Guests ? we have several honored guest that will be joining us at the Kastner Cup.  Triumph Factory Driver Robert Johns and 250K Designer Peter Brock will be gracing our Paddock with their presence for this event.  We are very excited to welcome them both!
 
 
    * Kastner Cup Posters ? Mark Alexander posted previously about the availability of this year?s event poster.  We will have them for sale at the event, but you can also contact Mark directly if you are not attending but would still like to purchase one.  All of the profits from these posters to toward the Kastner Cup fund used to host this event and make it memorable for everyone in attendance.  Please add one of these to your collections. 
 
 
    * Kastner Cup T Shirts ? we are handling T shirts a little differently this year.  To ease the burden of collecting payments, sorting, and distributing on the very small group putting this event on we have opened T Shirt sales online as a fundraiser.  T shirts can be purchased using the link below.  We will have a picture of the shirts along with a scannable code at the event so anyone not privy to this email can order one as well.  We currently have orders open to be taken until the week after the event to allow everyone to get theirs in.  They will ship directly to you.  Again, 100% of this goes toward the Kastner Cup fund so please order some for you and your crew!  Order yours here:  http://www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link__;!!KLD-3XdobhZF!EROZVvuNbKVFBGWXK65m1L5giW7dvhqwmAxMZO7hdg_SVaX6Y7Y1esgmxWuOjNIRhTsEo35UTZ9okkiVLWZgVF4rlw$
 
 
    * Group Photo ? we want to make this year?s group photo memorable and it has been difficult finding time and a place to make this happen with so many cars at this event (425 and counting) and so much on the calendar.  We have worked with Road America to secure some time on track at the end of the day on Saturday to stage what will hopefully be an epic Kastner Cup group photo that would make Kas proud.  This will take place at 5:30 on Saturday and we should be back in the paddock by 6:15.  I wanted to put that out there as you consider you evening plans and hope very much that each of you will take the time to participate in this.
 
 
    * Fundraising ? in addition to posters and T shirts, as we have shared previously we are accepting donations via the online site gofundme.  Many of you have donated and we are very grateful!  A few sent checks which is also greatly appreciated.  With the good problem on our hands of more racers than we estimated we want to make sure we can sill offer the same level of hospitality that we had envisioned.  If you haven?t donated and feel compelled to help your fellow Triumph racers donations can still be made at: https://gofund.me/913d6275 or through one of the race chairs.  Thanks to all!
 
 
 
 
I think that is it for today and be on the lookout for more details next week.  Thank you all for helping to make this group stand out at one of the largest amateur racing events in the country!
 
Best regards,
 
 
Brian Garcia ? Co Chair 2023 Kastner Cup
 
847-452-2246 
 
cudapilot at comcast.net mailto:cudapilot at comcast.net
 
 
 
Mark Alexander ? Co Chair 2023 Kastner Cup
 
952-412-6683
 
markarthuralexander at gmail.com mailto:markarthuralexander at gmail.com
 
 
 
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun 29 15:54:50 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:54:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup Update
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Hey all,

I don?t know how many of you have had a chance to run on the new asphalt at Road America yet.  I had four days (including dry and rain races) at the June Sprints this last weekend in my Spec Racer Ford so can give a quick report for those interested.  There were SEVENTY-SIX friggin? Spec Racer Fords on track together at the start of the weekend, so hopefully you?ll get more clear track than I had.

The new surface is really smooth, as advertised.  It?s pretty grippy on line, with the rubber laid down during the first part of this season.  It?s a bit less grippy off line, but I don?t think it?s ?slick? as some others have reported ? its fine, just not as grippy as on the line.  In the rain, you want to remain on the dry line for now.  That will change as the dry line get polished smooth over time, but for right now, the rain line seems to be the same as the dry line.  Overall, if you stay on line, your times should drop from your prior best.

Don?t go very wide at the exit of 1.  There?s a wide set of rumble strips driver?s left and there is a pretty good bump at the end of those rumble strips at the transition from the concrete rumbles.  It wasn?t horrible in the Spec Racer Ford, which is pretty used to running over stuff, but I learned to stay away from it.  You don?t really need to go there anyway, in my view.

There have historically been a number of useful lines through the Carousel (9 and 10), but right now most of the rubber is down on the inside curbing.  There were a lot of people spinning and/or heading into the kitty litter if they tried to carry speed through the center or outside parts of the track.  All the traffic during the June Sprints may have changed that now.  I don?t know ? I was too chicken to try an outside pass off line through the Carousel.  But I did personally witness at least one person spin when venturing off the inside line there.

I found that I was having to pick new brake markers and turn-in markers at some corners ? we?re now missing the asphalt patches, cracks, and transitions that had accumulated over the years and marked some of those spots.  All of the old red and yellow curbing is still in place, so where people mark their turn-in and apex points by color blocks on the curbing (like at 5 or the Kink), you?re all set.

There are some clear improvements, like the bumpy transition over the top of the hill on the entry to 6, for example.  The transition there used to be abrupt and you?d clear the top of the hill, wait for the car to settle back down on its tires, and then turn in.  Now the transition to the top of the hill level is less abrupt, so I had to find a new turn-in marker.  Well, never REALLY found one I was comfortable with, but you know what I mean.

Mostly, don?t repeat the end of the Spec Racer Ford race this last Saturday:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzFlF6cI_bE

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Garcia via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 2:47 PM
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup Update

Good afternoon, Amici.


It has been an absolutely crazy month and I apologize for the delay getting out this much over due update on the Kastner Cup.  First and foremost ? thank you thank you thank you for everyone that has registered.  We are currently at 40 entries and are expecting a handful more ? this will be a fantastic turnout and Road America is very happy about the support you all have shown for the event.  If you are planning on coming but haven?t registered yet please be aware that online registration closes next Monday 7/3 at 10 am Central.  Online registration can be found here: https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/weathertech-international-challenge-july-13th-16th-road-america-327737

If you have any questions at all, PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me.

I will be sending more detailed information out next week for everyone, but there are a few things that I wanted to put out there now:


  *   Paddock Parking ? Road America usually does assigned parking for this event.  At our request, they have allocated us a designated plot of land and are allowing us to organize it as we see fit.  We will be assisting everyone with where they need to be once they get onsite.  With that in mind, most of you that have registered have received an email from me asking questions about multiple thing including when you plan on arriving and if there is someone you would like to be near.  Even if you don?t fill out the driver bio, these 2 pieces of information would be very helpful in helping us plan.  If you haven?t received this email from me yet you will shortly.


  *   Triumph Street Car Parking ? if you are driving your non-racing Triumph to the event, Road America has graciously given us additional space inside the track paddock for these cars to be parked and displayed!  The document I send next week will have specifics on how you will check in but please spread the word that anyone driving their classic Triumph car to the event will be able to park in the competition paddock near the race cars!  Note that due to the size of this event paddock parking is by permit only and restricted so this is a big get for the Triumph community!



  *   Competition Schedule ? on the event Website for the WeatherTech International Challenge there is a link to a Provisional schedule.  They are still moving things around so run group times throughout the weekend will still move a little but the Kastner Cup will be at 11:30 am on Sunday July 16th.  Next week I will be sending out a condensed version of the schedule with only the times/events pertinent to FOT included to make it easier to digest.


  *   British Sportscar Hall of Fame Induction ? the British Sportscar Hall of Fame induction ceremony is being held as part of the Welcome Reception at the track on Thursday evening.  Please make time to come to support this event as our very own Mark Bradakis will be among the honorees along with a posthumous induction for Triumph hotshoe Brian Fuerstenau.  The ceremony will begin at 6 pm on Thursday 7/13 at the Road America Center.



  *   Special Guests ? we have several honored guest that will be joining us at the Kastner Cup.  Triumph Factory Driver Robert Johns and 250K Designer Peter Brock will be gracing our Paddock with their presence for this event.  We are very excited to welcome them both!



  *   Kastner Cup Posters ? Mark Alexander posted previously about the availability of this year?s event poster.  We will have them for sale at the event, but you can also contact Mark directly if you are not attending but would still like to purchase one.  All of the profits from these posters to toward the Kastner Cup fund used to host this event and make it memorable for everyone in attendance.  Please add one of these to your collections.



  *   Kastner Cup T Shirts ? we are handling T shirts a little differently this year.  To ease the burden of collecting payments, sorting, and distributing on the very small group putting this event on we have opened T Shirt sales online as a fundraiser.  T shirts can be purchased using the link below.  We will have a picture of the shirts along with a scannable code at the event so anyone not privy to this email can order one as well.  We currently have orders open to be taken until the week after the event to allow everyone to get theirs in.  They will ship directly to you.  Again, 100% of this goes toward the Kastner Cup fund so please order some for you and your crew!  Order yours here:  http://www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link__;!!KLD-3XdobhZF!EROZVvuNbKVFBGWXK65m1L5giW7dvhqwmAxMZO7hdg_SVaX6Y7Y1esgmxWuOjNIRhTsEo35UTZ9okkiVLWZgVF4rlw$>



  *   Group Photo ? we want to make this year?s group photo memorable and it has been difficult finding time and a place to make this happen with so many cars at this event (425 and counting) and so much on the calendar.  We have worked with Road America to secure some time on track at the end of the day on Saturday to stage what will hopefully be an epic Kastner Cup group photo that would make Kas proud.  This will take place at 5:30 on Saturday and we should be back in the paddock by 6:15.  I wanted to put that out there as you consider you evening plans and hope very much that each of you will take the time to participate in this.



  *   Fundraising ? in addition to posters and T shirts, as we have shared previously we are accepting donations via the online site gofundme.  Many of you have donated and we are very grateful!  A few sent checks which is also greatly appreciated.  With the good problem on our hands of more racers than we estimated we want to make sure we can sill offer the same level of hospitality that we had envisioned.  If you haven?t donated and feel compelled to help your fellow Triumph racers donations can still be made at: https://gofund.me/913d6275 or through one of the race chairs.  Thanks to all!




I think that is it for today and be on the lookout for more details next week.  Thank you all for helping to make this group stand out at one of the largest amateur racing events in the country!

Best regards,


Brian Garcia ? Co Chair 2023 Kastner Cup

847-452-2246

cudapilot at comcast.net<mailto:cudapilot at comcast.net>



Mark Alexander ? Co Chair 2023 Kastner Cup

952-412-6683

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From jgtrudeau at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 19:05:07 2023
From: jgtrudeau at comcast.net (James Trudeau)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires
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After sliding around the wet track sessions at Thompson last weekend (on hard all-season ?rain?  road tires) and with scattered rain on the horizon for VSCCA?s next event at Club Motorsport, I?m looking into intermediate rain tires for my Spitfire. 

Wheel will be 5.5x13 Minilites and use 6.0x20.5 Hoosier TD-R in the dry. 

Mike Harmuth showed me his Toyo Proxes (I think), but I didn?t catch the size - which I need. 

The #19 GT6 also had Hoosier mud tires, very sticky but wear fast on a drying track. 

Suggestions please!

Thanks,

Jim

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From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:45:05 -0700
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 29 20:35:17 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:35:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires
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 Hoosier H2O DOT rain tires work well, but I do not know if the vintage groups approve them.JoeB
    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 09:37:34 PM EDT, James Trudeau via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 After sliding around the wet track sessions at Thompson last weekend (on hard all-season ?rain?? road tires) and with scattered rain on the horizon for VSCCA?s next event at Club Motorsport, I?m looking into intermediate rain tires for my Spitfire. 

Wheel will be 5.5x13 Minilites and use 6.0x20.5 Hoosier TD-R in the dry. 

Mike Harmuth showed me his Toyo Proxes (I think), but I didn?t catch the size - which I need. 

The #19 GT6 also had Hoosier mud tires, very sticky but wear fast on a drying track. 

Suggestions please!

Thanks,

Jim

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu Jun 29 21:01:42 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:01:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires
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My experience is that Hoosier rains, in rain, not wet track, produce better straight-line stability, stop better and slide a little less in the turns, but they still slide.  In just wet conditions sportsters are all you need especially if you are accustomed to a ?loose? car.  Toyo?s don?t come in a 60-profile needed for my car or in a rain tire and I can?t say about them.  So I?m not sure rains are worth it unless it is really raining with puddles etc. on the track.  Rain Sportsters also come in a 50 profile and the changes to the set up are apparent.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Boruch via Fot
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 10:35 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Trudeau <jgtrudeau at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires

Hoosier H2O DOT rain tires work well, but I do not know if the vintage groups approve them.
JoeB

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 09:37:34 PM EDT, James Trudeau via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


After sliding around the wet track sessions at Thompson last weekend (on hard all-season ?rain?  road tires) and with scattered rain on the horizon for VSCCA?s next event at Club Motorsport, I?m looking into intermediate rain tires for my Spitfire.

Wheel will be 5.5x13 Minilites and use 6.0x20.5 Hoosier TD-R in the dry.

Mike Harmuth showed me his Toyo Proxes (I think), but I didn?t catch the size - which I need.

The #19 GT6 also had Hoosier mud tires, very sticky but wear fast on a drying track.

Suggestions please!

Thanks,

Jim

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From jgtrudeau at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 21:54:57 2023
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Jun 30 04:53:44 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:53:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson   1939 - 2023
Message-ID: <c142c42344adeb041a3dc520a64583a6@tr4racer.com>

The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
Jackson had died.

I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he 
took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His 
guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from 
neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you 
followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If 
it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK 
who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes 
the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his 
formula on every gearbox I build.

As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still 
think is this clean, or is it JK clean...

RIP, my friend.

Henry Frye

From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jun 30 06:19:14 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:19:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson   1939 - 2023
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 Damn very sorry to hear this, we had some really great times; he was a real inspiration...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 07:34:59 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
Jackson had died.

I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he 
took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His 
guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from 
neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you 
followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If 
it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK 
who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes 
the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his 
formula on every gearbox I build.

As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still 
think is this clean, or is it JK clean...

RIP, my friend.

Henry Frye
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jun 30 06:38:36 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:38:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023
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On 6/30/23 4:53 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote:
> The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
> Jackson had died.

So sorry to hear this!  First met him in person at the Asheville VTR 
convention.  When his TR-6 came down the hill at the autocross, I swear 
on a stack of Kastner manuals his engine was turning at least 20,000 rpm!

mjb.



From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jun 30 07:18:36 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson   1939 - 2023
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Thanks Henry, I just saw this on the Grassroots Motorsports site. 

JK was also a mentor to me early on, and he built me a gearbox
for my TR-4 - and then we had some great battles at the VTR
Nationals autocrosses.? After I sold the car to buy a Formula
Ford, I didn't see as much of him.? I had been thinking of him
recently, and wondered how he was doing.

This is very sad news.

John
?





On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:53:44 -0400, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK
Jackson had died.

I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he
took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His
guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from
neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you
followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If
it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK
who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes
the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his
formula on every gearbox I build.

As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still
think is this clean, or is it JK clean...

RIP, my friend.

Henry Frye
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jun 30 07:20:29 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023
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Yes indeed, that was wonderful sound.  And, with the OD set up
so that he could split shift, it almost sounded like a motorcycle
when he shifted.

John
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:38:36 -0600, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

On 6/30/23 4:53 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote:
> The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK
> Jackson had died.

So sorry to hear this! First met him in person at the Asheville VTR
convention. When his TR-6 came down the hill at the autocross, I swear
on a stack of Kastner manuals his engine was turning at least 20,000 rpm!

mjb.


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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 08:07:30 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson
Message-ID: <CADK3t97xJJ4vzNS4ExH-3EntdFZcnACZKm-pUvfA4iqpg3mdig@mail.gmail.com>

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JK was a real stand up guy
#20   VTR convention in Gainsville GA.  Aug 1, 1987.
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jun 30 09:06:06 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:06:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023
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 yes in conversation with Ted S just yesterday, in a discussion on gorgeous racecar sounds, I mentioned that JK blasting down the front straight @ Sebring was about at the top of my list...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:30:10 AM EDT, R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Yes indeed, that was wonderful sound.? And, with the OD set up
so that he could split shift, it almost sounded like a motorcycle
when he shifted.

John
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:38:36 -0600, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

On 6/30/23 4:53 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote:
> The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK
> Jackson had died.

So sorry to hear this! First met him in person at the Asheville VTR
convention. When his TR-6 came down the hill at the autocross, I swear
on a stack of Kastner manuals his engine was turning at least 20,000 rpm!

mjb.


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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 09:48:28 2023
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:48:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires
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2 more cents, be sure to look at the tread pattern.  15" TDs are aggressive
and good in the resin, the 13s look like cheater slicks and to me NG in the
rain
Cheers
Brian

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 12:02 AM James Trudeau via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the great information.
>
> I didn?t realize the TD-Rs were so capable on a wet track. I equate
> Hoosiers with the slicks I ran in FV last year.
>
> Since Bob L got multiple podium?s in the rain this weekend on TD-Rs I
> should give them a shot in wet conditions (though I also like the idea of
> lapping the field on dedicated rain tires!).
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2023, at 11:01 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> My experience is that Hoosier rains, in rain, not wet track, produce
> better straight-line stability, stop better and slide a little less in the
> turns, but they still slide.  In just wet conditions sportsters are all you
> need especially if you are accustomed to a ?loose? car.  Toyo?s don?t come
> in a 60-profile needed for my car or in a rain tire and I can?t say about
> them.  So I?m not sure rains are worth it unless it is really raining with
> puddles etc. on the track.  Rain Sportsters also come in a 50 profile and
> the changes to the set up are apparent.
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Boruch via Fot
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 29, 2023 10:35 PM
> *To:* fot at autox.team.net; James Trudeau <jgtrudeau at comcast.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Racing Rain Tires
>
>
>
> Hoosier H2O DOT rain tires work well, but I do not know if the vintage
> groups approve them.
>
> JoeB
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 09:37:34 PM EDT, James Trudeau via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> After sliding around the wet track sessions at Thompson last weekend (on
> hard all-season ?rain?  road tires) and with scattered rain on the horizon
> for VSCCA?s next event at Club Motorsport, I?m looking into intermediate
> rain tires for my Spitfire.
>
>
>
> Wheel will be 5.5x13 Minilites and use 6.0x20.5 Hoosier TD-R in the dry.
>
>
>
> Mike Harmuth showed me his Toyo Proxes (I think), but I didn?t catch the
> size - which I need.
>
>
>
> The #19 GT6 also had Hoosier mud tires, very sticky but wear fast on a
> drying track.
>
>
>
> Suggestions please!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 30 11:37:32 2023
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
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A M I C I
Joan and I are driving up to Road America to watch the Kastner Cup race. Does anyone have an available crew pass or over crew spot for that Sunday?
Thanks 
Dennis DeLap

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