[Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?

Thu Jul 27 19:02:43 MDT 2023

Like Midwestern Council,  for example?  :-)  Or VSCDA?

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Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?

I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and cornering the market in vintage racing.  I would prefer to race the K Cup with a club owned and run by members.  Ken

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Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?

FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s…

On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Great debate.  I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.  Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.  But the track time was extremely limited.  I think the KC race was only seven laps.

For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.  But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.  SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.  Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.

I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.  I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.  Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.

If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.  The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.  If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!

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On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.

We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!

Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
>
> Ronnie
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com<mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.

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