[Fot] Kastner Cup.

Thu Jul 27 05:12:10 MDT 2023

Further to my previous message, the link to the Lime Rock video is: https://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0

I did not get the title quite right. It’s worth spending the hour or so to watch. You’ll want to race there once you see it…

Phil

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott <Vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours before or after,
> So the locale matters as well.
> 
> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see “The Secret Valley of Motor Racing” on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
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> Phil Gott
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>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> COTA would be a great venue
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>>> 
>>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>> 
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>> 
>>> Festival Events
>>> 
>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> Club Events
>>> 
>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>> 
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>> 
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Henry Frye
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>> I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>> 
>>>> Ronnie
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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