[Fot] Kastner Cup.

Wed Jul 26 14:20:57 MDT 2023

I’m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I like the idea of being on a bucket list track.  

Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great place but limited facilities for campers/hookups for rigs. I’ve done both the two day events there (lots of track time, like 3-4 sessions/day) and the Fall Festival - amazing sights/cars, but probably just two 20 minute sessions per day, and as Mike said, no racing on Sunday due to a longstanding agreement with the church across the road.

On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

Just putting this out there as we look into the future.

mike h

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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com <mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>> During the Mitty.
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