From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul  1 11:15:01 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 11:15:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <A4E3FBB9-99B9-4BEA-A612-7DBFA3691073@sbcglobal.net>
References: <A4E3FBB9-99B9-4BEA-A612-7DBFA3691073.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <A4E3FBB9-99B9-4BEA-A612-7DBFA3691073@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <275edeae-11ca-501b-b2f8-f0f9660b5646@bradakis.com>

I would also appreciate getting a crew pass for the event.  I do plan on 
being there for the entire event, Thursday night, obviously, through 
Sunday.  Any assistance?

mjb.


From cudapilot at comcast.net  Sat Jul  1 12:21:21 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:21:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <275edeae-11ca-501b-b2f8-f0f9660b5646@bradakis.com>
References: <275edeae-11ca-501b-b2f8-f0f9660b5646@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <EED68C93-FD35-44C3-83FB-140F1C7C4C18@comcast.net>

Mark-

We?ll get you taken care of.  I?ll follow up with you next week.  

Bria 

> On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I would also appreciate getting a crew pass for the event.  I do plan on being there for the entire event, Thursday night, obviously, through Sunday.  Any assistance?
> 
> mjb.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  3 15:48:44 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Rain
References: <629327606.2040644.1688420924607.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <629327606.2040644.1688420924607@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I had a fun race in the rain at Thompson last week... in the BIG bore group.
Check it out: Racing in the Rain

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  3 18:03:49 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 02:03:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Rain
In-Reply-To: <629327606.2040644.1688420924607@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <629327606.2040644.1688420924607.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <629327606.2040644.1688420924607@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d9ae0b$033b9510$09b2bf30$@gmail.com>

Very nice to watch!!!!

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Lang via Fot
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 11:49 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Racing in the Rain

 

Hi,

 

I had a fun race in the rain at Thompson last week... in the BIG bore group.

 

Check it out: Racing in the Rain <https://youtu.be/uU9vCew4-ho> 

 



 










Racing in the Rain


 

l8r.

Bob Lang

 

 

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 10:04:40 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Peyote Returns
Message-ID: <68DCCCEC-FD39-4DAB-A02A-D2A6ED97C13D@gmail.com>

The legacy of Bill Ames lives on.

Making an appearance at the Kastner Cup 2023.

THE PEYOTE



The Peyote and at least one Ambro is registered.  The Peyote first appeared at Road America in about 1959.  Here we go again. Sixty Plus Years.

Just a sample of this epic and historic event??..we are in the mid-40s in registrations.

Kas would be very proud of his namesake event.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jul  4 11:09:07 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] The Peyote Returns
In-Reply-To: <68DCCCEC-FD39-4DAB-A02A-D2A6ED97C13D@gmail.com>
References: <68DCCCEC-FD39-4DAB-A02A-D2A6ED97C13D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aca8c2bc-1461-6362-a031-f33d6baa3a91@bradakis.com>

Very nice!  Can hardly wait to get there!

mjb.


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 11:55:38 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 13:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Peyote Returns
In-Reply-To: <68DCCCEC-FD39-4DAB-A02A-D2A6ED97C13D@gmail.com>
References: <68DCCCEC-FD39-4DAB-A02A-D2A6ED97C13D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DF237B3-A706-4C78-BFE7-0D4839648BD2@gmail.com>

Who owns that car now?

Chuck

> On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The legacy of Bill Ames lives on.
> 
> Making an appearance at the Kastner Cup 2023.
> 
> THE PEYOTE
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> The Peyote and at least one Ambro is registered.  The Peyote first appeared at Road America in about 1959.  Here we go again. Sixty Plus Years.
> 
> Just a sample of this epic and historic event??..we are in the mid-40s in registrations.
> 
> Kas would be very proud of his namesake event.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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> 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Jul  4 13:04:49 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 14:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Peyote Returns
Message-ID: <49703.1688497489@mitchelplumbing.com>

Bill Hart, owner of the 250K.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

On Tue 04/07/23 10:55 AM , Chuck Gee via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> Who owns that car now?
> 
> Chuck
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot  wrote:
> 
> ?The legacy of Bill Ames lives on.
> Making an appearance at the Kastner Cup 2023. 
> THE PEYOTE
> The Peyote and at least one Ambro is registered.  The Peyote first
> appeared at Road America in about 1959.  Here we go again. Sixty Plus
> Years.
> Just a sample of this epic and historic event??..we are in the
> mid-40s in registrations.
> Kas would be very proud of his namesake event.
> 
> Joe Alexander4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA
> 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell:  319.464.4711
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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> 
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From bill at ponostyle.com  Tue Jul  4 15:39:02 2023
From: bill at ponostyle.com (Bill@ponostyle.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 14:39:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The Peyote Returns
In-Reply-To: <49703.1688497489@mitchelplumbing.com>
References: <49703.1688497489@mitchelplumbing.com>
Message-ID: <50EE0A0E-4A96-4796-89A1-D8BE0E7D606C@ponostyle.com>

Will Hart. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Charly via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill Hart, owner of the 250K.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> 
> On Tue 04/07/23 10:55 AM , Chuck Gee via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
>> Who owns that car now?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot  wrote:
>> 
>> ?The legacy of Bill Ames lives on.
>> Making an appearance at the Kastner Cup 2023. 
>> THE PEYOTE
>> The Peyote and at least one Ambro is registered.  The Peyote first
>> appeared at Road America in about 1959.  Here we go again. Sixty Plus
>> Years.
>> Just a sample of this epic and historic event??..we are in the
>> mid-40s in registrations.
>> Kas would be very proud of his namesake event.
>> 
>> Joe Alexander4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA
>> 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell:  319.464.4711
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Jul  6 08:48:25 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 10:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominations
References: <EDFE71D1-19F3-4E2E-81D4-ABEA1E2B4EAB.ref@aol.com>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul  6 11:03:25 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 11:03:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nominations
In-Reply-To: <EDFE71D1-19F3-4E2E-81D4-ABEA1E2B4EAB@aol.com>
References: <EDFE71D1-19F3-4E2E-81D4-ABEA1E2B4EAB.ref@aol.com>
 <EDFE71D1-19F3-4E2E-81D4-ABEA1E2B4EAB@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c5ea904b-9efc-f4ac-10ca-bf1cdc6cedc8@bradakis.com>

Okay, they are on the list.

mjb.


From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 07:54:18 2023
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 09:54:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tony Drews
Message-ID: <005701d9b0da$8a4a3b20$9edeb160$@gmail.com>

Tony I sent an email to tony at tonydrews.com <mailto:tony at tonydrews.com>  but
must not have found you.

 

I was hoping you could bring a spindle stiffening kit for the standard
spindles with you to RA.

 

I can PayPal you if you have a PayPal account. I will need that email
address reference.

 

See you in a few days.

 

JVV

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 09:04:33 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 10:04:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
Message-ID: <CC3CF742-AFBF-40E4-BD81-1391DB7A4D7E@gmail.com>

Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.

This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph Headquarters.

Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.

This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.


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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jul  7 12:39:05 2023
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 14:39:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <CC3CF742-AFBF-40E4-BD81-1391DB7A4D7E@gmail.com>
References: <CC3CF742-AFBF-40E4-BD81-1391DB7A4D7E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67BA1D83-B36B-4F34-B6ED-D49849348D2C@rogers.com>

Nice one Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.
> 
> This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
> He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph Headquarters.
> 
> Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.
> 
> This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.
> 
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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> 
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  7 18:41:16 2023
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 20:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <67BA1D83-B36B-4F34-B6ED-D49849348D2C@rogers.com>
References: <67BA1D83-B36B-4F34-B6ED-D49849348D2C@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <4E57A771-5FA3-45A1-A78D-B493438E5B7F@yahoo.com>

Great, Ted!

Related Question:  does anyone have a set of instructions for an Arkay turbo installationI can copy?  Especially TR6 but any would help!  Thanks!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:15 PM, MACDONALD via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Nice one Ted
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.
>> 
>> This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
>> He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph Headquarters.
>> 
>> Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.
>> 
>> This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.
>> 
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 19:38:19 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 20:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <4E57A771-5FA3-45A1-A78D-B493438E5B7F@yahoo.com>
References: <4E57A771-5FA3-45A1-A78D-B493438E5B7F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD05B124-889C-456A-800A-2FF8728CB11A@gmail.com>

Perhaps Shawn Frank. I had one but lost it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jul 7, 2023, at 7:41 PM, James Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Great, Ted!
> 
> Related Question:  does anyone have a set of instructions for an Arkay turbo installationI can copy?  Especially TR6 but any would help!  Thanks!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:15 PM, MACDONALD via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Nice one Ted
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.
>>> 
>>> This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
>>> He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph Headquarters.
>>> 
>>> Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.
>>> 
>>> This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 21:53:37 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 22:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <DD05B124-889C-456A-800A-2FF8728CB11A@gmail.com>
References: <4E57A771-5FA3-45A1-A78D-B493438E5B7F@yahoo.com>
 <DD05B124-889C-456A-800A-2FF8728CB11A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaxojKdBaT6LTKjVW5O2K-w1vJzpbQpUN8Vo+2KipTLDA@mail.gmail.com>

I have the brochure for TR-6. I will scan it tomorrow and send.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023, 8:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Perhaps Shawn Frank. I had one but lost it.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2023, at 7:41 PM, James Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Great, Ted!
> >
> > Related Question:  does anyone have a set of instructions for an Arkay
> turbo installationI can copy?  Especially TR6 but any would help!  Thanks!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:15 PM, MACDONALD via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Nice one Ted
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers
> for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an
> automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it
> at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.
> >>>
> >>> This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
> >>> He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph
> Headquarters.
> >>>
> >>> Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is
> graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.
> >>>
> >>> This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented
> to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <image0.jpeg>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Joe Alexander
> >>> 4505 Donald Dr
> >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >>> The-vintage-racer.com
> >>> Gasketinnovations.com
> >>> Cell:  319.464.4711
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>>
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> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive
> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  8 08:25:51 2023
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:25:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <CAJRV2eaxojKdBaT6LTKjVW5O2K-w1vJzpbQpUN8Vo+2KipTLDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJRV2eaxojKdBaT6LTKjVW5O2K-w1vJzpbQpUN8Vo+2KipTLDA@mail.gmail.com>
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 08:55:07 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 07:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <AF4EAB4B-2D84-41B0-BDCA-CF57AB1FB1BF@yahoo.com>
References: <AF4EAB4B-2D84-41B0-BDCA-CF57AB1FB1BF@yahoo.com>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 09:53:33 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:53:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hall of Fame Inductees at Road America. During the Kastner
 Cup Weekend.
Message-ID: <517DEEF2-E3EA-4272-9AA2-27BDA6B8C6B2@gmail.com>

The BSCHOF is a separate entity from the FOT, but many of us are involved and current inductees. 

Our FOT Mark BRadakis will be inducted Thursday evening at Road America. 

Congratulations Mark.  See you at Road America.


Presentations by Gary Kincel, President BSCHOF.
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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 13:04:32 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Arkay Turbo for TR-6 brochure
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaNiMn7_gktTjHh5jF8KvGK1Dw5rMcgik7-ida79p0bdg@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a scanned copy of the original Arkay Turbo brochure
"Turbocharging the Triumph TR-6" single sheet, front and back side. It
shows a 1972 TR-6 in the brochure, but no specific printed year on the
brochure itself. This original brochure will be inserted into Kas's
physical photo archives and will end up in the British Sports Car Hall of
Fame for future reference. I have digitized all of the images in my
possession (near 1000 photos) with more scans to come. I have saved a copy
in the digital archives, backed up twice. I am working with Joe Alexander
and Kas's daughter to do something cool. More to come on that.

In the meantime, we will see many of you at Road America! Look for my neon
Converse shoes and give me a wave as you blurrr by. I should be everywhere,
pointing my camera at you. Let's go have some fun! Kas would be proud!

*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 13:28:22 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Guide
Message-ID: <23CCD2DF-A0C1-418A-A37E-4969AED2A355@comcast.net>

All-

I put together an event guide for the Kastner Cup.  It was too large to distribute through the list so I sent it directly to Everyone that has registered to compete.  If you are planning to attend as crew or to spectate or would just like to check it out please email me directly and I?ll send one to you.  

Thanks!

Brian Garcia
Cudapilot at comcast.net
   

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jul  8 13:34:08 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 21:34:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
In-Reply-To: <517DEEF2-E3EA-4272-9AA2-27BDA6B8C6B2@gmail.com>
References: <517DEEF2-E3EA-4272-9AA2-27BDA6B8C6B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEPE-4HOs4R+hwX9d_ez5Za5w23a2vFzsqG_uKZD16GRhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks?

Cheers
Chris
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 14:19:07 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:19:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Arkay Turbo brochure
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eZ_iAzg6FTbM4zDGmCZxsaTjUiBCDHs0LV8hSYsLqfFow@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a scanned copy of the original Arkay Turbo brochure
"Turbocharging the Triumph TR-6" single sheet, front and back side. It
shows a 1972 TR-6 in the brochure, but no specific printed year on the
brochure itself. This original brochure will be inserted into Kas's
physical photo archives and will end up in the British Sports Car Hall of
Fame for future reference. I have digitized all of the images in my
possession (near 1000 photos) with more scans to come. I have saved a copy
in the digital archives, backed up twice. I am working with Joe Alexander
and Kas's daughter to do something cool. More to come on that.

In the meantime, we will see many of you at Road America! Look for my neon
Converse shoes and give me a wave as you blurrr by. I should be everywhere,
pointing my camera at you. Let's go have some fun! Kas would be proud!

*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 14:44:36 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher Donate ARKAY TURBO TO HALL OF FAME.
In-Reply-To: <DD05B124-889C-456A-800A-2FF8728CB11A@gmail.com>
References: <4E57A771-5FA3-45A1-A78D-B493438E5B7F@yahoo.com>
 <DD05B124-889C-456A-800A-2FF8728CB11A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eZ9KtN-vHWVSQ4fq2xcgUZ0LAoU1xqF6TempJkPWfagwA@mail.gmail.com>

This is the 3rd try to post this. Hopefully this goes through this time...

Attached is a scanned copy of the original Arkay Turbo brochure
"Turbocharging the Triumph TR-6" single sheet, front and back side. It
shows a 1972 TR-6 in the brochure, but no specific printed year on the
brochure itself. This original brochure will be inserted into Kas's
physical photo archives and will end up in the British Sports Car Hall of
Fame for future reference. I have digitized all of the images in my
possession (near 1000 photos) with more scans to come. I have saved a copy
in the digital archives, backed up twice. I am working with Joe Alexander
and Kas's daughter to do something cool. More to come on that.

In the meantime, we will see many of you at Road America! Look for my neon
Converse shoes and give me a wave as you blurrr by. I should be everywhere,
pointing my camera at you. Let's go have some fun! Kas would be proud!
*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*


On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 8:56?PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Perhaps Shawn Frank. I had one but lost it.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2023, at 7:41 PM, James Palmer <tr6driver at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Great, Ted!
> >
> > Related Question:  does anyone have a set of instructions for an Arkay
> turbo installationI can copy?  Especially TR6 but any would help!  Thanks!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:15 PM, MACDONALD via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Nice one Ted
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Kas launched a Turbocharger company in the 70s. He made turbochargers
> for British & Domestic Cars for a period of time. He even made one for an
> automotive engine that was converted to aircraft applications and showed it
> at the EAA Convention at Osh Kosh.
> >>>
> >>> This Turbocharger was installed in a TR7 in California by Kas Kastner.
> >>> He then drove it cross country to Mike Cook in New York at Triumph
> Headquarters.
> >>>
> >>> Somewhere along the way, Ted acquired the Turbocharger. Ted is
> graciously donating this turbo to The British Sports Car Hall of Fame.
> >>>
> >>> This TURBOCHARGER will be on display at the Kastner Cup, and presented
> to Gary Kincel of the BSCHOR.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <image0.jpeg>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Joe Alexander
> >>> 4505 Donald Dr
> >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >>> The-vintage-racer.com
> >>> Gasketinnovations.com
> >>> Cell:  319.464.4711
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>>
> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  8 16:17:40 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (kekjacobsen)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 17:17:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Guide
In-Reply-To: <23CCD2DF-A0C1-418A-A37E-4969AED2A355@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1210355761.4755231.1688854665317@yahoo.com>

Just finished reading through it, it's awesome Thank you!I managed to get appropriately moved to Group 2 also.? No big deal, just FYI!KAREN(And by proxy Jake...!)Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Brian Garcia via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 7/8/23  3:34 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Guide All-I put together an event guide for the Kastner Cup.? It was too large to distribute through the list so I sent it directly to Everyone that has registered to compete.? If you are planning to attend as crew or to spectate or would just like to check it out please email me directly and I?ll send one to you.? Thanks!Brian GarciaCudapilot at comcast.net?? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Jul  8 17:07:40 2023
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:07:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Arkay charger
Message-ID: <EAD85EBF-3D75-481D-8BC8-AEB450B9FECE@woh.rr.com>



Sent from my iPhone

From cudapilot at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 19:29:42 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Guide
In-Reply-To: <1210355761.4755231.1688854665317@yahoo.com>
References: <1210355761.4755231.1688854665317@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <104584E1-A274-4196-890B-83FA766D6F49@comcast.net>

Thanks Kim. See you next week.

> On Jul 8, 2023, at 6:19 PM, kekjacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just finished reading through it, it's awesome Thank you!
> 
> I managed to get appropriately moved to Group 2 also.  No big deal, just FYI!
> 
> KAREN
> (And by proxy Jake...!)
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brian Garcia via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 7/8/23 3:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Guide
> 
> All-
> 
> I put together an event guide for the Kastner Cup.  It was too large to distribute through the list so I sent it directly to Everyone that has registered to compete.  If you are planning to attend as crew or to spectate or would just like to check it out please email me directly and I?ll send one to you.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Brian Garcia
> Cudapilot at comcast.net
>    
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> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jul  8 21:55:27 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 05:55:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEPE-4HOs4R+hwX9d_ez5Za5w23a2vFzsqG_uKZD16GRhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517DEEF2-E3EA-4272-9AA2-27BDA6B8C6B2@gmail.com>
 <CAPrGtEPE-4HOs4R+hwX9d_ez5Za5w23a2vFzsqG_uKZD16GRhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtENSfaE0jOMwcwdewVFSkUV7kjPupa6KPxN9fv=zNc3_dw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys,

Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply slicks.

The Hoosiers are radials.
I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower
with 30 psi hot.

Not sure which direction to go?
34psi or 27psi hot?

Cheers Chris

Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023,
21:34:

> Hi guys,
>
> Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jul  9 08:38:51 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 16:38:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
In-Reply-To: <CAL43nSmyjQRL5AP0L8h8M+Kmt11GTRVmqnzNHJa4XFnfHX-HDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517DEEF2-E3EA-4272-9AA2-27BDA6B8C6B2@gmail.com>
 <CAPrGtEPE-4HOs4R+hwX9d_ez5Za5w23a2vFzsqG_uKZD16GRhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPrGtENSfaE0jOMwcwdewVFSkUV7kjPupa6KPxN9fv=zNc3_dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL43nSmyjQRL5AP0L8h8M+Kmt11GTRVmqnzNHJa4XFnfHX-HDw@mail.gmail.com>
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I first tried high pressure.
Again 5 secon slower in total 10 seconds.

Then I tried low pressure....faster then my other tries.
Only 3 seconds slower than the Avon Times.

Cheers
Chris

Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 9. Juli 2023, 12:08:

> 27 is my bet.
>
> The radials will be a few seconds slower than slicks because less grip
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:08 AM Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>> Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply
>> slicks.
>>
>> The Hoosiers are radials.
>> I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower
>> with 30 psi hot.
>>
>> Not sure which direction to go?
>> 34psi or 27psi hot?
>>
>> Cheers Chris
>>
>> Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023,
>> 21:34:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Sun Jul  9 11:57:52 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 10:57:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
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It is a setup and may require changes in spring rates, sway bar settings, camber and toe to get the most out of the tire.  The way the car is driven on the new tires; braking points, turn in, power out can also be a learning curve.  The ?feel? of these tires is going to be different than the old tire and possible as you get to the edge more subtle before losing all grip.  Just takes a bit of track time and you will no doubt get it.  Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Christian Marx via Fot
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:11 AM
To: fot at autox. team. net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

I first tried high pressure.?
Again 5 secon slower in total 10 seconds.?

Then I tried low pressure....faster then my other tries.?
Only 3 seconds slower than the Avon Times.?

Cheers?
Chris?

Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 9. Juli 2023, 12:08:
27 is my bet.?

The radials will be a few seconds slower than slicks because less grip

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:08 AM Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Thanks guys,?

Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply slicks.?

The Hoosiers are radials.
I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower with 30 psi hot.

Not sure which direction to go?
34psi or 27psi hot?

Cheers Chris?

Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023, 21:34:
Hi guys,?

Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks??

Cheers?
Chris?
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From cak at dimebank.com  Sun Jul  9 12:51:43 2023
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 13:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup guide
Message-ID: <ECEDD744-53CB-4B55-A8DF-354096C17404@dimebank.com>

I'd love to see this, please.

I'm going to show up Thursday for the induction ceremony if I can figure out where and when :-)

I have to fly out of O'Hare on Friday but hope to at least walk the paddock Friday morning - what's the ticket situation?

Thanks.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jul  9 14:39:50 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 22:39:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
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Dear Ken,

 

When I got the tires made little changes like camber, ride height, sway bar settings.

 

For sure the high pressure on the tires make them feel nice to ride?.but the laptime says -> SLOW.

 

Interestingly the low tire pressure felt even better, and the tops speed chart is also interesting:

32psi ? 194kph

30psi ? 208kph

34psi ? 197kph

27psi ? 216kph ? 5th fastest  car in that race.

 

Means, low pressure is the way to go.

But I?ll get a softer compound for the back end. The tire man said, the rear tires don?t reach the necessary temperature.

 

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:58 PM
To: Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot at autox. team. net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

It is a setup and may require changes in spring rates, sway bar settings, camber and toe to get the most out of the tire.  The way the car is driven on the new tires; braking points, turn in, power out can also be a learning curve.  The ?feel? of these tires is going to be different than the old tire and possible as you get to the edge more subtle before losing all grip.  Just takes a bit of track time and you will no doubt get it.  Ken

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows

 

From: Christian Marx via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:11 AM
To: fot at autox. team. net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

I first tried high pressure. 

Again 5 secon slower in total 10 seconds. 

 

Then I tried low pressure....faster then my other tries. 

Only 3 seconds slower than the Avon Times. 

 

Cheers 

Chris 

 

Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com <mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com> > schrieb am So., 9. Juli 2023, 12:08:

27 is my bet. 

 

The radials will be a few seconds slower than slicks because less grip

 

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:08 AM Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Thanks guys, 

 

Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply slicks. 

 

The Hoosiers are radials.

I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower with 30 psi hot.

 

Not sure which direction to go?

34psi or 27psi hot?

 

Cheers Chris 

 

Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> > schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023, 21:34:

Hi guys, 

 

Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks? 

 

Cheers 

Chris 

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jul  9 15:03:22 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 23:03:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
In-Reply-To: <013001d9b2a5$82a1cc90$87e565b0$@gmail.com>
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I need to add?fastest lap with low tire pressure was in lap 2.

Means?.going lower to move the fastest lap to lap 10.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 10:40 PM
To: 'Ken Knight' <kknight at klaenv.com>; 'Christian Marx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

Dear Ken,

 

When I got the tires made little changes like camber, ride height, sway bar settings.

 

For sure the high pressure on the tires make them feel nice to ride?.but the laptime says -> SLOW.

 

Interestingly the low tire pressure felt even better, and the tops speed chart is also interesting:

32psi ? 194kph

30psi ? 208kph

34psi ? 197kph

27psi ? 216kph ? 5th fastest  car in that race.

 

Means, low pressure is the way to go.

But I?ll get a softer compound for the back end. The tire man said, the rear tires don?t reach the necessary temperature.

 

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:58 PM
To: Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> >; fot at autox. team. net <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

It is a setup and may require changes in spring rates, sway bar settings, camber and toe to get the most out of the tire.  The way the car is driven on the new tires; braking points, turn in, power out can also be a learning curve.  The ?feel? of these tires is going to be different than the old tire and possible as you get to the edge more subtle before losing all grip.  Just takes a bit of track time and you will no doubt get it.  Ken

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows

 

From: Christian Marx via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:11 AM
To: fot at autox. team. net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

I first tried high pressure. 

Again 5 secon slower in total 10 seconds. 

 

Then I tried low pressure....faster then my other tries. 

Only 3 seconds slower than the Avon Times. 

 

Cheers 

Chris 

 

Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com <mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com> > schrieb am So., 9. Juli 2023, 12:08:

27 is my bet. 

 

The radials will be a few seconds slower than slicks because less grip

 

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:08 AM Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Thanks guys, 

 

Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply slicks. 

 

The Hoosiers are radials.

I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower with 30 psi hot.

 

Not sure which direction to go?

34psi or 27psi hot?

 

Cheers Chris 

 

Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> > schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023, 21:34:

Hi guys, 

 

Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks? 

 

Cheers 

Chris 

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 15:53:29 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 17:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
In-Reply-To: <013701d9b2a8$cc177700$64466500$@gmail.com>
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Chris, I know there might be some problems for you to contact Hoosier in
the US but I've spoken to their support engineers a couple of times. They
had good information for setup and starting pressures/ending temps. The
contact link below also has email info

Oops, never mind the time difference, I see they have a German support
office in Hanover as well.

https://www.hoosiertire.com/contact/

mike h

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:34?PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I need to add?fastest lap with low tire pressure was in lap 2.
>
> Means?.going lower to move the fastest lap to lap 10.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tr4racing at googlemail.com <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2023 10:40 PM
> *To:* 'Ken Knight' <kknight at klaenv.com>; 'Christian Marx' <
> tr4racing at googlemail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
>
>
>
> Dear Ken,
>
>
>
> When I got the tires made little changes like camber, ride height, sway
> bar settings.
>
>
>
> For sure the high pressure on the tires make them feel nice to ride?.but
> the laptime says -> SLOW.
>
>
>
> Interestingly the low tire pressure felt even better, and the tops speed
> chart is also interesting:
>
> 32psi ? 194kph
>
> 30psi ? 208kph
>
> 34psi ? 197kph
>
> 27psi ? 216kph ? 5th fastest  car in that race.
>
>
>
> Means, low pressure is the way to go.
>
> But I?ll get a softer compound for the back end. The tire man said, the
> rear tires don?t reach the necessary temperature.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:58 PM
> *To:* Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot at autox. team. net <
> fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
>
>
>
> It is a *setup* and may require changes in spring rates, sway bar
> settings, camber and toe to get the most out of the tire.  The way the car
> is driven on the new tires; braking points, turn in, power out can also be
> a learning curve.  The ?feel? of these tires is going to be different than
> the old tire and possible as you get to the edge more subtle before losing
> all grip.  Just takes a bit of track time and you will no doubt get it.  Ken
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:11 AM
> *To: *fot at autox. team. net <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
>
>
>
> I first tried high pressure.
>
> Again 5 secon slower in total 10 seconds.
>
>
>
> Then I tried low pressure....faster then my other tries.
>
> Only 3 seconds slower than the Avon Times.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 9. Juli 2023, 12:08:
>
> 27 is my bet.
>
>
>
> The radials will be a few seconds slower than slicks because less grip
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:08 AM Christian Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
>
> Wit AVON I started with 14psi cold and got up to 22psi hot. Biasply
> slicks.
>
>
>
> The Hoosiers are radials.
>
> I'm currently 5 seconds slower using 32psi hot and was 6 seconds slower
> with 30 psi hot.
>
>
>
> Not sure which direction to go?
>
> 34psi or 27psi hot?
>
>
>
> Cheers Chris
>
>
>
> Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> schrieb am Sa., 8. Juli 2023,
> 21:34:
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> Anyone has some input about the target pressure on these slicks?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  9 18:22:15 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 00:22:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
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 Are you talking about actual Hoosier radial slicks, or are you talking about the Hoosier R7 tires, which some people call slicks?? Both are radial, but very different construction.? I use the radial slicks on my FP Miata with cold pressures around 20-22 psi at Hoosier's recommendation.? I use R7s on my TR3 with cold tire pressures around 30 psi.? I have also used the Hoosier SM 7.5 tires on my Miata.? They are similar to the R7s and also are around 30 psi cold.? JoeB
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 06:30:28 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Chris, I know there might be some problems for you to contact Hoosier in the US?but I've spoken to their support engineers a couple of times. They had good information for setup and starting pressures/ending temps. The contact link below also has email info
Oops, never mind the time difference, I see they have a German support office in Hanover as well.

https://www.hoosiertire.com/contact/

mike h
On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:34?PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I need to add?fastest lap with low tire pressure was in lap 2.

Means?.going lower to move the fastest lap to lap 10.

?

Cheers

Chris

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 10 00:26:06 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:26:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
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Hi Joe,

 

the tires are:

H295/35ZR 15 A7

H25.5/13.75R15 R35B

I would say they are real radial slicks.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Boruch via Fot
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 2:22 AM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 

Are you talking about actual Hoosier radial slicks, or are you talking about the Hoosier R7 tires, which some people call slicks?  Both are radial, but very different construction.  I use the radial slicks on my FP Miata with cold pressures around 20-22 psi at Hoosier's recommendation.  I use R7s on my TR3 with cold tire pressures around 30 psi.  I have also used the Hoosier SM 7.5 tires on my Miata.  They are similar to the R7s and also are around 30 psi cold.  JoeB

 

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 06:30:28 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Chris, I know there might be some problems for you to contact Hoosier in the US but I've spoken to their support engineers a couple of times. They had good information for setup and starting pressures/ending temps. The contact link below also has email info

 

Oops, never mind the time difference, I see they have a German support office in Hanover as well.

 

https://www.hoosiertire.com/contact/

 

mike h

 

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:34?PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I need to add?fastest lap with low tire pressure was in lap 2.

Means?.going lower to move the fastest lap to lap 10.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 10 06:36:16 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:36:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks
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 Chris, the A7s are DOT racing tires, not classified as a "slick" having very small tread grooves.? The A7s are the autocross version, with a softer compound than the R7s, which some racers use on the track, but they don't last as long as the R7s.
I am not familiar with the?H25.5/13.75R15 R35B and don't see them listed in their catalog. Perhaps they are only available in Europe or have been discontinued?? There are some similar tires listed as slicks in the Vintage section of the Circuit racing tire list in the below link.? Looks like they are intended to fit a wide wheel, though the listing does not show them as radials.? ?The R35B is a soft compound.? Some racers would use the R35 compound (which has mostly been discontinued in the States) to turn some fast qualifying laps, but did not usually use them to race, since they would get too hot and get greasy in a race. JoeBhttps://www.hoosiertire.com/assets/Circuit58.pdf

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 03:35:22 AM EDT, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Hi Joe,

 ?

the tires are:

H295/35ZR 15 A7

H25.5/13.75R15 R35B

I would say they are real radial slicks.

 ?

Cheers

Chris

 ?

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Boruch via Fot
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 2:22 AM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier radial slicks

 ?

Are you talking about actual Hoosier radial slicks, or are you talking about the Hoosier R7 tires, which some people call slicks?? Both are radial, but very different construction.? I use the radial slicks on my FP Miata with cold pressures around 20-22 psi at Hoosier's recommendation.? I use R7s on my TR3 with cold tire pressures around 30 psi.? I have also used the Hoosier SM 7.5 tires on my Miata.? They are similar to the R7s and also are around 30 psi cold.? JoeB

 ?

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 06:30:28 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 ?

 ?

Chris, I know there might be some problems for you to contact Hoosier in the US?but I've spoken to their support engineers a couple of times. They had good information for setup and starting pressures/ending temps. The contact link below also has email info

 ?

Oops, never mind the time difference, I see they have a German support office in Hanover as well.

 ?

https://www.hoosiertire.com/contact/

 ?

mike h

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On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:34?PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I need to add?fastest lap with low tire pressure was in lap 2.

Means?.going lower to move the fastest lap to lap 10.

?

Cheers

Chris

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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 11:26:51 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Road America!!!
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eb6ce5V2NzPuvD29aJvHoRNc-BDCOG2GLrTDT3623ZG9A@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen a couple FOT guys wondering about coverage of the race as well
as photographs from the upcoming weekend. If any racers want copies of
photos that I take of them, please let me know. I do not charge FOT for
photos, so I will email them to you at no charge. I do, however, accept
donations... :-)

My plan at Road America is to stick close to the FOT. There are a lot of
distractions upcoming, but my main focus throughout the WIC weekend is the
Kastner Cup and the Triumphs on track. I am not sure if I will be doing the
group photo or not, but I will go with the flow, see what happens. This may
be a bigger event than I can handle and I don't have the Erics with me
this year, but I will do my best to give the Friends of Triumph the
exposure that you deserve.

I will post updates, results, live video, and photos throughout the weekend
on my Facebook page North American Triumphs, if you are unable to make it.

Follow along here:
www.facebook.com/northamtriumphs

Look for my dayglo yellow Chuck Taylors and give me a wave!

*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
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From cak at dimebank.com  Mon Jul 10 20:32:59 2023
From: cak at dimebank.com (Christopher A Kantarjiev)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 19:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup guide
Message-ID: <0aff590e-b365-8e2a-9949-967d90d278d2@dimebank.com>

I'd love to see this, please.

I'm going to show up Thursday for the induction ceremony if I can figure 
out where and when :-)

I have to fly out of O'Hare on Friday but hope to at least walk the 
paddock Friday morning - what's the ticket situation?

Thanks.

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jul 11 02:41:30 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 02:41:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup guide
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Message-ID: <0387bc05-66f2-800a-384b-1a33fc88e452@bradakis.com>

On 7/10/23 8:32 PM, Christopher A Kantarjiev via Fot wrote:
> I'd love to see this, please.
> 
> I'm going to show up Thursday for the induction ceremony if I can figure 
> out where and when :-)

I too will need to find out exactly where the induction ceremony will 
be.  I don't want to be late!

A recent development - a severe toothache.  Went to the dentist this 
afternoon, looks like the tooth will have to come out.  Scheduled for 
Monday after I return from the Kastner Cup.  Hope the meds I was given 
will keep the pain down and I will be a happy camper this coming 
weekend, and not some grumpy, irritable old fart!

mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 06:55:35 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 07:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup guide
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319. 464.4711.    Call if you need help.  

Registration first.

Call . We will come after you. 



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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> On Jul 11, 2023, at 3:44 AM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?On 7/10/23 8:32 PM, Christopher A Kantarjiev via Fot wrote:
>> I'd love to see this, please.
>> I'm going to show up Thursday for the induction ceremony if I can figure out where and when :-)
> 
> I too will need to find out exactly where the induction ceremony will be.  I don't want to be late!
> 
> A recent development - a severe toothache.  Went to the dentist this afternoon, looks like the tooth will have to come out.  Scheduled for Monday after I return from the Kastner Cup.  Hope the meds I was given will keep the pain down and I will be a happy camper this coming weekend, and not some grumpy, irritable old fart!
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From Dave at microworks.net  Tue Jul 11 08:14:29 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 07:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-MED:  Re:  Kastner cup guide
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Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EC790E0DA@mainserver>

I'll bet we could find a pair of pliers in the paddock to help take the tooth out.  LOL

Seriously, hope the meds can keep the pain away.


Dave Riddle
dave at microworks.net
602.692.5276


-----Original Message-----
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [Fot] Kastner cup guide

On 7/10/23 8:32 PM, Christopher A Kantarjiev via Fot wrote:
> I'd love to see this, please.
> 
> I'm going to show up Thursday for the induction ceremony if I can 
> figure out where and when :-)

I too will need to find out exactly where the induction ceremony will be.  I don't want to be late!

A recent development - a severe toothache.  Went to the dentist this afternoon, looks like the tooth will have to come out.  Scheduled for Monday after I return from the Kastner Cup.  Hope the meds I was given will keep the pain down and I will be a happy camper this coming weekend, and not some grumpy, irritable old fart!

mjb.


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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 13 02:22:50 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 02:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Away we go!
Message-ID: <3a368118-56bb-c1e1-337c-9e4d548aa524@bradakis.com>

Heading to the airport to catch my 5 am flight.  Not looking forward to 
the 3 hour layover in Denver.  Hope I make it on time, though, see you 
all soon!

mjb.

From emanteno at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 19:49:49 2023
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:49:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road
America
this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a
duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who
weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews.
Congratulations Tony.

Irv Korey
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul 16 21:17:52 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 21:17:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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On 7/16/23 7:49 PM, Irv Korey via Fot wrote:
> I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road 
> America
> this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a 
> duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those 
> who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony 
> Drews. Congratulations Tony.

Way to go Tony, well deserved!   Wish I had been able to stay.

Snd the team.net server is fine, but the mail system on bradakis.com was 
not running.  A quick fis took care of it.  Now to deal with the 4 days 
of incoming email....

mjb.



From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 17 06:41:10 2023
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:41:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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 Congratulations Tony! Kas would totally agree with the choice for the recipient of the Kastner Cup.
Ken Suhre
    On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 09:34:27 PM CDT, Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road Americathis weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.
Irv Korey
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From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 07:18:59 2023
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 08:18:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] more from Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <CAFWFMyiaxAR5_vP2ngerQe7eqym+YMjGmGKByOH0UgOWxijtRg@mail.gmail.com>

This article in the local Sheboygan newspaper features many pics of FOT
from this past weekend. Enjoy.

https://www.sheboyganpress.com/picture-gallery/news/2023/07/16/road-america-weathertech-international-challenge-brian-redman/12262112002/

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Jul 17 07:30:39 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 09:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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Congratulations Tony, this honor is well deserved!

John
?



On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:49:49 -0500, Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America

this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.

?

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jul 17 08:37:17 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 07:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
In-Reply-To: <CAFWFMyiJdDq-nTCYZY6PKTvt4vFh=ZB8tV-Pn4xGHAEYfAV7fA@mail.gmail.com>
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Congratulations Tony!  This was a long time coming and well deserved.
Dave H. 

> On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America
> this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.
>  
> Irv Korey
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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 08:41:09 2023
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] more from Kastner Cup
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Nice, thanks for the link, Irv.  Even a few Spitfires made the photos!

Looking good Mike & David.

Cheers,
Dave and Shelby
Spitfire #42

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 9:39?AM Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This article in the local Sheboygan newspaper features many pics of FOT
> from this past weekend. Enjoy.
>
>
> https://www.sheboyganpress.com/picture-gallery/news/2023/07/16/road-america-weathertech-international-challenge-brian-redman/12262112002/
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 09:17:36 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas=E2=80=99_Legacy_Lives_On___Thank_you_Everyon?=
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I think there are some posters still available.  This was an epic event.  

Congratulations to Tony Drew?s.  

And the future looks good for the young hot shoes coming up in the ranks. The field of 40 plus cars revealed extraordinarily prepared Triumphs, well prepared and well driven. Kas would be very proud.
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Mon Jul 17 09:46:00 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 11:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup race results posted
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Take a look at fot-racing.com for the results of the Kastner Cup race!

From Dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul 17 09:45:54 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 08:45:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Local Paper Write up
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Has a bunch of Kastner Cup participants photos.


https://www.sheboyganpress.com/picture-gallery/news/2023/07/16/road-america-weathertech-international-challenge-brian-redman/12262112002/?fbclid=IwAR22gYzGj2Ol7Hze0cZguF63cF326LbxRl_1_w_UPl6G9ArB922n9YvJ4pg

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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 17 11:53:58 2023
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 18:53:58 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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Hi Tony, toy gave worked so hard for so long, you deserve this. The first father and son winners?

Anyhow, top job from a top man. 

Keith 

> On 17 Jul 2023, at 16:23, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Congratulations Tony!  This was a long time coming and well deserved.
> Dave H. 
>> On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America
>> this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.
>>  
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul 17 14:07:59 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 15:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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Thanks all for the congratulation!? I'm so honored.? Yes, first father / 
son winners.? Kas was very interested in the father / son deal back when 
Jack was racing.

Cheers, Tony

On 7/17/2023 12:53 PM, Keith Files via Fot wrote:
> Hi Tony, toy gave worked so hard for so long, you deserve this. The 
> first father and son winners?
>
> Anyhow, top job from a top man.
>
> Keith
>
>> On 17 Jul 2023, at 16:23, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Congratulations Tony!? This was a long time coming and well deserved.
>> Dave H.
>>> On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at 
>>> Road America
>>> this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be 
>>> a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to 
>>> those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient 
>>> is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.
>>> Irv Korey
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 17 16:51:57 2023
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 17:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A very nice plaque from Jim Hassall
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FOT,

FOT Jim Hassall and long term friend, took the time to commemorate the Kastner Cup and to honor Kas and me.   Thank you very much, Jim.

Jim took one of my favorite pictures of Kas and me together in the Ambro. He had a plaque made out of it.

We hope to see Jim at the next Kastner Cups.  He has worked behind the scenes, supporting the Kastner Cups. An unsung hero, methinks.

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Best Regards, Jim.

Joe Alexander
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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jul 17 17:36:21 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 19:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 17:40:49 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 18:40:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GROUP PHOTOS and Kastner Cup coverage on Facebook!
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eZTNrWdbebdmD2Yg0YAPXvRcQnSwJiUUtFV4OuYSN+3Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a dropbox link to some of my favorite group photos from high above
the front straight of Road America. No one else but Jessica Johnk was able
to go up on the lift with me to take these shots, so this is as official as
we get.

Group shots Dropbox link:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2mv3zkef24vsgfwy1sb10/h?rlkey=dcfb529v1luqr19icgncynnij&dl=0

I have a ton of videos and photos from the weekend. I have posted a bunch
of live video, photos, and reports to my Facebook page North American
Triumphs, if you are on Facebook. I plan to do so much more, so check it
out.

North American Triumphs link:
www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs

So far, I have posted a really cool article with photos announcing Tony
Drews as our 2023 Kastner Cup Champion as well as my favorite group photos
on the Facebook page. I plan to feature each racer in separate posts
throughout the next couple weeks. I have 8779 photos and quite a bit of
video to go through, so this will be a process.

In the meantime, there is a bunch of live video from the entire weekend
including the awards ceremony in its entirety (emotional and great moments
captured), paddock walk-throughs, driver interviews, race coverage, and fun
sights already on the page. Stay tuned for so much more.

If you see any photos of your cars that you would like, please let me know.
Facebook photos are not very high resolution (about 75 pixels per inch), so
if you wanted to print any off, they wouldn't look great if blown up. I
have full resolution (300 pixels per inch) that you can blow up to poster
size.

The attached group photos are full resolution, so feel free to save and
print them. Please do not sell these photos, as I am offering them to the
FOT at no charge, but would happily take donations. A couple of you have
reached out for photos and I will get back to you soon.

I hope you all enjoy. I will keep you posted on upcoming cool stuff,
because I have a buttload (an actual measurement, fyi...). Let me know what
you think of the group photos.

Thank you, FOT for welcoming my wife and I to another Kastner Cup. We had
an absolute blast!!!
*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 17 17:50:27 2023
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Lyman Scherer)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 18:50:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Kas=E2=80=99_Legacy_Lives_On___Thank_you_Everyon?=
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Team Baja Triumph missed out on purchasing a few posters at RA.
Would want (3) three?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I think there are some posters still available.  This was an epic event.  
> 
> Congratulations to Tony Drew?s.  
> 
> And the future looks good for the young hot shoes coming up in the ranks. The field of 40 plus cars revealed extraordinarily prepared Triumphs, well prepared and well driven. Kas would be very proud.
> <image0.jpeg>
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 08:11:08 2023
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:11:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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 Congrats, Tony.? Much deserved!-- Jay De Pol

    On Monday, July 17, 2023, 6:13:19 PM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  
Thanks all for the congratulation!? I'm so honored.? Yes, first father / son winners.? Kas was very interested in the father / son deal back when Jack was racing.
 
Cheers, Tony
 
 On 7/17/2023 12:53 PM, Keith Files via Fot wrote:
  
 
 Hi Tony, toy gave worked so hard for so long, you deserve this. The first father and son winners? 
  Anyhow, top job from a top man.?
 
 Keith? 
 
On 17 Jul 2023, at 16:23, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
 
  
 ? 
 Congratulations Tony!? This was a long time coming and well deserved.   Dave H.?  
  On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?    I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America   this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony.   ?   Irv Korey   _______________________________________________ 
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 08:15:33 2023
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:15:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A very nice plaque from Jim Hassall
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 Very nice,? Joe!? Jim is indeed an unsung hero.? He helped to get me started in vintage racing.? Very grateful for that, Jim!-- Jay De PolPS- Joe, Do you know whom I can speak to about getting a t shirt and poster?

    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 12:18:33 AM EDT, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 FOT,

FOT Jim Hassall and long term friend, took the time to commemorate the Kastner Cup and to honor Kas and me.? Thank you very much, Jim.

Jim took one of my favorite pictures of Kas and me together in the Ambro. He had a plaque made out of it.

We hope to see Jim at the next Kastner Cups.? He has worked behind the scenes, supporting the Kastner Cups. An unsung hero, methinks.



Best Regards, Jim.

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Jul 18 08:43:19 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 07:43:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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Tony, a great honor for you and your dad must be smiling.

Cheers, Mate

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: kkjjk--- via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 7:32 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Tony Drews
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023

Congrats, Tony.? Much deserved!-- Jay De Pol

On Monday, July 17, 2023, 6:13:19 PM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 


Thanks all for the congratulation!? I'm so honored.? Yes, first father / son winners.? Kas was very interested in the father / son deal back when Jack was racing.
Cheers, Tony
On 7/17/2023 12:53 PM, Keith Files via Fot wrote:
Hi Tony, toy gave worked so hard for so long, you deserve this. The first father and son winners? 

Anyhow, top job from a top man.?
Keith?


On 17 Jul 2023, at 16:23, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
? 
Congratulations Tony!? This was a long time coming and well deserved. 
Dave H.? 
On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
? 
? 
I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America 
this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony. 
? 
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 10:19:39 2023
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (jeffsnook01 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
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Well deserved Tony.  You have been a faithful and determined FOT member.  I just read you have been to almost every Kastner Cup!  I?m proud to have your name join us on the Cup!
 
Regards,
 
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com
 
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 4:08 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023
 
Thanks all for the congratulation!  I'm so honored.  Yes, first father / son winners.  Kas was very interested in the father / son deal back when Jack was racing.
Cheers, Tony
On 7/17/2023 12:53 PM, Keith Files via Fot wrote:
Hi Tony, toy gave worked so hard for so long, you deserve this. The first father and son winners? 
 
Anyhow, top job from a top man. 
Keith 



On 17 Jul 2023, at 16:23, DAVE HOGYE via Fot  <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
? 
Congratulations Tony!  This was a long time coming and well deserved. 
Dave H.  
On 07/16/2023 6:49 PM PDT Irv Korey via Fot  <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
  
  
I haven't seen anything yet, but it could be that with Mark B at Road America 
this weekend, the FOT list could be down. So if this turns out to be a duplicate, please accept my apologies. If however this is news to those who weren't with us this year, your 2023 Kastner Cup recipient is Tony Drews. Congratulations Tony. 
  
Irv Korey 
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 18 10:30:29 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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Hi,
I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,? Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.
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Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.
Awesome job? Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.

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From sonomascot at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 12:29:45 2023
From: sonomascot at aol.com (Scott Meredith)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:29:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:06:56 AM PDT, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Holy smokes, that was some mighty fine driving. I learned some things, so I'm considering that a "teaching" video -Thanks . . .sm.
Hi,
I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,? Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.
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I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)
Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.
Awesome job? Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.

l8r,Bob Lang

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 12:31:59 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jul 18 14:00:41 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:00:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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Excellent racing.

That was fun watching.

Good Stuff.

Very fast Bass player.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Lang via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 6:30 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video

 

Hi,

 

I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,  Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.

 

The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRMLJPsjtY> 

 



 










2023 Kastner Cup


 

 

I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)

 

Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.

 

Awesome job  Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.

 

l8r,

Bob Lang

 

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jul 18 14:19:35 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:19:35 +0200
Subject: [Fot] K-Cup
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Hi Joe,

 

when is Road Atlanta on the schedule for the K-Cup?

 

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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 14:22:55 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 16:22:55 -0400
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Tue Jul 18 14:32:06 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 16:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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That was some impressive driving, great job Bob!? I'm impressed.

John
?



On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC), Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

Hi,

?

I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,? Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.

?

The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup

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I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)

?

Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.

?

Awesome job? Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.

?

l8r,

Bob Lang

?

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From fmccjr at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 14:58:43 2023
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:58:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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What an opening!
Bob Lang:????suse me, pardon me, hot soup, make a hole, pardon me, s?cuse me? ?scuse me, pardon me, lady with a baby, make a hole, pardon me, MAKE A HOLE, I SAID!!!, excuse me, pardon me??
That was fun, Bob!
And to everyone else that ran, you guys looked great. What a terrific weekend.
Thanks to Mark and Brian, congrats to Tony. I sure hope to see you all next year, far, far away.?Stay safe, my friends.
Rick McCurdy?Newburgh, NY


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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 1:22 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi,
I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,? Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.
The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup

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I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)
Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.
Awesome job? Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.

l8r,Bob Lang

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 18 16:27:40 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:27:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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Our little train of cars got held up in the Kink and Bob took full 
advantage of that as he should.? I remember him coming by me like a bat 
out of heck on the exit of the kink.? Fun watch!

- Tony

On 7/18/2023 1:31 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> That was fun. ?You carry an enormous amount of speed through the KINK.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
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> Cell: ?319.464.4711
>
>
>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Robert Lang via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid 
>> workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet 
>> listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video 
>> of all the cars except Brian Howlett,? Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and 
>> Tony Garmey.
>>
>> The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRMLJPsjtY>
>>
>>
>> 	
>>
>> 	
>>
>>
>>     2023 Kastner Cup
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRMLJPsjtY>
>>
>>
>> I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That 
>> must be a really fast computer. ;-)
>>
>> Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a 
>> couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new 
>> talent playing with these cars.
>>
>> Awesome job? Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for 
>> putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.
>>
>> l8r,
>> Bob Lang
>>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 17:11:22 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:11:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jul 18 19:07:52 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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Okay, Bugs Bunny.  s'cuse you.
 

> On 07/18/2023 1:58 PM PDT fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> What an opening!
> 
> Bob Lang: ???suse me, pardon me, hot soup, make a hole, pardon me, s?cuse me? ?scuse me, pardon me, lady with a baby, make a hole, pardon me, MAKE A HOLE, I SAID!!!, excuse me, pardon me??
>  
> That was fun, Bob!
>  
> And to everyone else that ran, you guys looked great. What a terrific weekend.
>  
> Thanks to Mark and Brian, congrats to Tony. I sure hope to see you all next year, far, far away. 
> Stay safe, my friends.
>  
> Rick McCurdy
>  Newburgh, NY
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 1:22 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >  
> > I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,  Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.
> >  
> > The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRMLJPsjtY
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 2023 Kastner Cup
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)
> >  
> > Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.
> >  
> > Awesome job  Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.
> >  
> > l8r,
> > Bob Lang
> >  
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Jul 18 19:49:59 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
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Textbook to greatness at Road America.
 Really good Bob.
A+
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> On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Glad you joined us Rick.   Good to see you.
> 
> What a weekend!
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 5:50 PM, fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? What an opening!
>> 
>> Bob Lang: ???suse me, pardon me, hot soup, make a hole, pardon me, s?cuse me? ?scuse me, pardon me, lady with a baby, make a hole, pardon me, MAKE A HOLE, I SAID!!!, excuse me, pardon me??
>> 
>> That was fun, Bob!
>> 
>> And to everyone else that ran, you guys looked great. What a terrific weekend.
>> 
>> Thanks to Mark and Brian, congrats to Tony. I sure hope to see you all next year, far, far away. 
>> Stay safe, my friends.
>> 
>> Rick McCurdy
>>  Newburgh, NY
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 1:22 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just posted in-car video from the Kastner Cup. Turns out the grid workers were confused that my car number is 40 but the grid sheet listed the car number as 1. So, back of the grid for me. I got video of all the cars except Brian Howlett,  Alex Amys, Dan Gehweiler and Tony Garmey.
>> 
>> The video is on Utoob: 2023 Kastner Cup
>> 
>> 	
>> 2023 Kastner Cup
>> 
>> 
>> I like how the AI picked a T13 outside pass for the posting. That must be a really fast computer. ;-)
>> 
>> Side bar - like every Kastner Cup we've been to, Ned and I made a couple of new friends AND - I'm really excited to see there is new talent playing with these cars.
>> 
>> Awesome job  Brain G., the entire Alexander family and everyone for putting some really kool cars on the track. WHERE THEY BELONG.
>> 
>> l8r,
>> Bob Lang
>> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 07:26:47 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:26:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] K-Cup
In-Reply-To: <003101d9b9b5$2c18eb30$844ac190$@gmail.com>
References: <1767770835.1883924.1689697829731@mail.yahoo.com>
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A second run at Road Atlanta during the Mitty would be great. Tough to be
the event we just had at the other RA though.

mike h

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 5:31?PM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
>
>
> when is Road Atlanta on the schedule for the K-Cup?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 07:50:01 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] K-Cup
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From smyers at mac.com  Wed Jul 19 08:44:01 2023
From: smyers at mac.com (Stephen Myers)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Videos
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVYujhjwkYSnFSjv6C9JNQ_4FSqOPnRBkLCZeL7QqmQE3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1767770835.1883924.1689697829731@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi FOT,

I just posted my Kastner Cup video which includes the introduction from Brian Garcia, the view from my car, as well as the words from everyone on Kas Kastner and the awarding of the Kastner Cup to Tony Drews.

Watch my Kastner Cup video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ndaiT-IdY

In case you missed it I also shared the tv coverage of the Kastner Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuee8g7rik

I also edited together a video of the entire British Sports Car Hall of Fame Ceremony and posted it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wFzYgs9es

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 08:58:04 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Videos
References: <CC66B206-CC55-4D48-BD13-E5B26C77D144@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A65AEED3-1BB5-4BDF-B1ED-88C4E33CB953@gmail.com>


More stuff courtesy of Steve Myers, Skunk River Restorations.


It was good to see Steve driving the Ex-Dennis Delap TR4.

Thank you Steve.


> From: Stephen Myers <smyers at mac.com>
> Date: July 19, 2023 at 9:50:06 AM CDT
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Kastner Cup Videos
> 
> ?Hey Joe,
> 
> I tried to send this to the FOT I don?t know if it didn?t go through or if my email needs to be approved by a moderator first?
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Stephen Myers <smyers at mac.com>
>> Subject: Kastner Cup Videos
>> Date: July 19, 2023 at 9:44:01 AM CDT
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> 
>> Hi FOT,
>> 
>> I just posted my Kastner Cup video which includes the introduction from Brian Garcia, the view from my car, as well as the words from everyone on Kas Kastner and the awarding of the Kastner Cup to Tony Drews.
>> 
>> Watch my Kastner Cup video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ndaiT-IdY
>> 
>> In case you missed it I also shared the tv coverage of the Kastner Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuee8g7rik
>> 
>> I also edited together a video of the entire British Sports Car Hall of Fame Ceremony and posted it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wFzYgs9es
>> 
>> -Steve
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From mleccese1 at verizon.net  Wed Jul 19 09:02:11 2023
From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:02:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] K-Cup
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVYujhjwkYSnFSjv6C9JNQ_4FSqOPnRBkLCZeL7QqmQE3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1767770835.1883924.1689697829731@mail.yahoo.com>
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Congrats to Tony D, great guy who helped me with my car TR4 at mid Ohio and shout out to Phil G who helped me with my car last year, great guys, thanks
Michael L

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 19 09:12:32 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] K Cup race YouTube video
Message-ID: <1502679755.347714.1689779552766@connect.xfinity.com>

Race video from the event organizer.
Super impressive drive by 2nd place Dan Gehweiler in his GT6.  He and his car must be very fast.  
Dave H.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuee8g7rik&t=1594s
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 09:22:59 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] KCup Champ and P1 announcements
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaLcMQXDmTCE5J=abfRdMo5OkQmfjWfnBK4Djv5phZepg@mail.gmail.com>

Attached are links to my Facebook page with write-ups and quite a few of my
photos about our 2023 Kastner Cup Champion Tony Drews and another link for
P1 in the Cup Race, Tony Garmey.

Tony Drews link:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0YbjX2X8wpZQDfwbvhpvNRnbgYM3GdumJK16f4Sx5RkwK88MRPn4Ronw8Hty6iCKLl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Tony Garmey link:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0dVa4wFhCesWQdFLAwH5w288tJXC9im6hqfAefTQawNhxRSNEaN66mSfjULkACQG6l&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

I will have a complete series of all racers, multiple angles at multiple
corners, paddock shots, awards, etc that I will be posting throughout the
next month or so.

There is also a ton of live video, interviews, paddock walks, info,
results, and candid shots already on the page while you wait for your turn
in the series. I have a lot of fun doing this, although a lot of work, but
I hope this helps some of you get good shots on track.

Facebook automatically dulls the photos to a low quality, but I have high
resolution photos. If you see any photos on the page that you want, just
let me know and I can email full resolution.

There will be articles in multiple places in the next month, so be on the
lookout. Magazines, websites, etc. Stay tuned, I will keep you apprised.

I also want you all to know that I do this for the love of Triumph, my
friends and historic figures involved, and for the better education of
Triumph. These stories need to be told before they are lost! We are writing
them right now...

Nice work, FOT. Thank you!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 09:58:42 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:58:42 +0200
Subject: [Fot] K-Cup
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 15:41:46 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:41:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] K Cup race YouTube video
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Not only is he fast, the car is also exquisitely prepared!  Nice family too.  

It was great to meet them.

Chuck Gee

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:38 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Race video from the event organizer.
> Super impressive drive by 2nd place Dan Gehweiler in his GT6.  He and his car must be very fast.  
> Dave H.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuee8g7rik&t=1594s
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Jul 19 16:07:00 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 22:07:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] KCup Champ and P1 announcements
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Tanks very much, Shawn: A lot of excellent work here.Regards,Phil G


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 19, 2023 4:27 pm
Subject: [Fot] KCup Champ and P1 announcements

Attached are links to my Facebook page with write-ups and quite a few of my photos about our 2023 Kastner Cup Champion Tony Drews and another link for P1 in the Cup Race, Tony Garmey.
Tony Drews link:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0YbjX2X8wpZQDfwbvhpvNRnbgYM3GdumJK16f4Sx5RkwK88MRPn4Ronw8Hty6iCKLl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Tony Garmey link:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0dVa4wFhCesWQdFLAwH5w288tJXC9im6hqfAefTQawNhxRSNEaN66mSfjULkACQG6l&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz
I will have a complete series of all racers, multiple angles at multiple corners, paddock shots, awards, etc that I will be posting throughout the next month or so.
There is also a ton of live video, interviews, paddock walks, info, results, and candid shots already on the page while you wait for your turn in the series. I have a lot of fun doing this, although a lot of work, but I hope this helps some of you get good shots on track.
Facebook automatically dulls the photos to a low quality, but I have high resolution photos. If you see any photos on the page that you want, just let me know and I can email full resolution.?
There will be articles in multiple places in the next month, so be on the lookout. Magazines, websites, etc. Stay tuned, I will keep you apprised.
I also want you all to know that I do this for the love of Triumph, my friends and historic figures involved, and for the better education of Triumph. These stories need to be told before they are lost! We are writing them right now...?
Nice work, FOT. Thank you!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 19 17:01:43 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 16:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] K Cup race YouTube video
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Excuse me for not mentioning Alex's performance as well.  He and his GT6 are obviously super fast as well.  To basically keep the 250K in sight is amazing.  It's great seeing such a strong field of Triumphs overall. 
Dave H. 
 

> On 07/19/2023 8:12 AM PDT DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Race video from the event organizer.
> Super impressive drive by 2nd place Dan Gehweiler in his GT6.  He and his car must be very fast.  
> Dave H.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuee8g7rik&t=1594s
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Thu Jul 20 07:35:48 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:35:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] torque plate
References: <1593074994.2864683.1689860148666.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,
Does anyone have a CNC ready drawing for the torque plate to set the figure of 8 gaskets on the TR3-4 wet liner engines??
Thank you,
Greg Thompson?
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu Jul 20 09:44:47 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
Message-ID: <A7C8D0A6-14BD-40B9-8A50-D2214D0D8A58@me.com>

Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.

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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 10:00:19 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:00:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
In-Reply-To: <A7C8D0A6-14BD-40B9-8A50-D2214D0D8A58@me.com>
References: <A7C8D0A6-14BD-40B9-8A50-D2214D0D8A58@me.com>
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 Scott,Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.?
Jake?
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
Scott Janzen'68 GT6


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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Jul 20 10:14:05 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:14:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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Amici-
 
This is several days overdue but as typically happens the real world was waiting to bash me over the head as soon as I got back from Road America and I've been playing catch up all week.  I wanted to take a moment to thank each and every one of you that attended the Kastner Cup last weekend.  All that were there can attest to the fact that this was no small event.  With 500+ cars and thousands of spectators it is difficult for a group to stand out but we did.  From the cars on display at the welcome dinner, to the FOT members involved with and honored at the HOF induction, to the parade and concourse Friday night, and all weekend on the track you shined in the spotlight.  I hope you enjoyed your time there.  I can tell you first hand that we made a great impression on the Road America staff as I'd knew we would.  
 
Thanks too to all that supported the event through your donations of time, materials, and/or labor.  There are a lot of moving pieces involved in executing a good event and it takes a village.  The event would not have happened without you.  I personally wish I would have had more time to hang out with all of you but my own Vintage ride demanded a lot of my time and attention last weekend as they are prone to do.  It was great to meet so many of you though and I look forward to seeing you at other events in the future.  Big thanks to my co-chair Mark Alexander for all of his efforts over the past year to help bring all of this together. It started with a phone call from him to me when I was on my way to GingerMan in April of last year.  I think we met our expectations, Mark.  Thanks to our special guests Peter Brock and Bob Johns for gracing us with their presence, history, and insight that made the event all that much more special. Thanks to Shawn Frank for his time spent capturing the event for all to enjoy in the future.  And finally thanks to Joe Alexander for being our Grand Marshal and keeping Kas' spirit alive.  He would have been proud of you last weekend and of all of you that raced.  Exquisite cars and racing all weekend long.   
 
Congrats to our Kastner Cup winner Tony Drews.  The selection process is not an easy one but Tony exemplifies the pillars that the award stands for.  Congrats also go to our marque award winners:
 
Triumph Special - Bill Hart
TR3 - Mike Jackson
TR4 -  Brian Howlett
TR6 - Bob Lang
TR7 - Curt Johnston
TR8 - Joe Carr
GT6 - Dan Gehweiler
Spitfire - Dave Amys
 
 
One last bit of housekeeping - for those interested in event posters they are still available through Mark Alexander.  If you still would like to order a Kastner Cup shirt the online sale is still opens but closes this Sunday.  Here is the link: 
    * http://www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link__;!!KLD-3XdobhZF!EROZVvuNbKVFBGWXK65m1L5giW7dvhqwmAxMZO7hdg_SVaX6Y7Y1esgmxWuOjNIRhTsEo35UTZ9okkiVLWZgVF4rlw$
 
As I said last weekend - FOT and the Kastner Cup represent the best parts of Vintage Racing.  As a driver of several orphan cars I have no equivalent to this group or the Cup but I thank you for allowing me to be a Friend of Triumph.  Thanks again and best of luck with the rest of your racing seasons.
 
Brian Garcia
Co-Chair  2023 Kastner Cup
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 10:15:26 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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We have run a QUAIFE for 30 years and it has been flawless in the TR4.

Joe Alexander
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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
> 
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 10:33:55 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:33:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Scott, I went from a welded diff to a Quaife last year. Easier in the
paddock etc to drive and push around. In the corners, less fighting the
wheel, more point and shoot. Downside, I'm getting some wheel hop when I
hit the gas. I've been making suspension, tire pressure and shock
adjustments to dial it out, almost there. For the K Cup (and not one of the
fast cars), I put an old welded diff in to get a better ratio (3.89) vs the
normal 4.11 Quaife. Not sure I made the right call, no idea how many hills
were at RA, but with all the settings the same, no wheel hop so it must be
caused by the Quaife.

GT6 diff in the car for the big stub axles, Quaife PN QDF8K. I ordered it
last spring directly from Quaife when the exchange rate was pretty good.

mike


On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:58?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I
> currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any
> advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what
> the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 20 10:38:23 2023
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 10:38:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Safety gear
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Safety gear for the driver, from about when the dinosaurs roamed the 
Earth.  Courtesy of Bob Johns.

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 10:54:24 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:54:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Hi Scott,
I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80. ?On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out. ?Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver. ? However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn. ? I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help. ?Lap times were the same on both cars.
1. ?Do you drive like a madman? ?If yes, run the welded diff2. Are you a smooth driver? ?If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness. ?

LOL
I have not driven a Gripper diff

I hope that helps!
Dave Gott


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On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Scott,Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.?
Jake?
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
Scott Janzen'68 GT6


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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 20 11:05:05 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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I don't know what the "Gripper" is, but if it is anything like "Phantom Grip" that you add to a stock diff to create friction to "lock" the two sides, It doesn't work.  The Quaife works fine until you lose drive on one of the two sides and then it totally uncouples the diff from the drive train.  You end up pushing the car off the track.
 
Joe C. 

> On 07/20/2023 12:00 PM EDT Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> Scott,
> Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive. 
>  
> Jake 
>  
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>  
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
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From jhouathome at aol.com  Thu Jul 20 11:49:45 2023
From: jhouathome at aol.com (jhouathome at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 17:49:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Scott,?My experience is that the Quaiffe is the best, most reliable option. ?Very expensive, but worth the price. ?Bulletproof. ?The Gripper is junk. ?Total waste of money for the racetrack. ?I also love my Detroit Lockers! ?Somewhat crude but effective.John


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On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 10:54 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu Jul 20 11:57:14 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:57:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Thu Jul 20 12:31:53 2023
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 18:31:53 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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The k car uses the Quaife  ? Torson? design . It?s average ! But that?s all that was available 20 something years ago when I restored that car.

My preference is a clutch style ( Tran-x/ 3D) . They?re tune able ( break away- the amount of Lbs it takes to loc up) and can buy individual parts should you need them .

T



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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> We have run a QUAIFE for 30 years and it has been flawless in the TR4.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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> 
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>> 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu Jul 20 14:23:59 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:23:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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thanks, Dave.  Well, I have a welded diff - it requires some input to work - does that mean I drive like a madman?  Interesting, your results are the opposite of what I would have expected.  I assumed the welded diff is more of an inhibitor in tight turns where it wants the car to understeer, and on sweepers the wheel speed differential would have less of an effect.
Guess I?ll just have to try and find out.  Don?t like the idea of any wheel spin though.

On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80.  On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out.  Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver.   However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn.   I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help.  Lap times were the same on both cars.

1.  Do you drive like a madman?  If yes, run the welded diff
2. Are you a smooth driver?  If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness.  


LOL

I have not driven a Gripper diff


I hope that helps!

Dave Gott


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On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Scott,
Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive. 

Jake 

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.

Scott Janzen
'68 GT6


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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu Jul 20 14:24:52 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Mike, any relevant same-track comparisons in lap times, welded vs quaife?

On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:

Scott, I went from a welded diff to a Quaife last year. Easier in the paddock etc to drive and push around. In the corners, less fighting the wheel, more point and shoot. Downside, I'm getting some wheel hop when I hit the gas. I've been making suspension, tire pressure and shock adjustments to dial it out, almost there. For the K Cup (and not one of the fast cars), I put an old welded diff in to get a better ratio (3.89) vs the normal 4.11 Quaife. Not sure I made the right call, no idea how many hills were at RA, but with all the settings the same, no wheel hop so it must be caused by the Quaife.

GT6 diff in the car for the big stub axles, Quaife PN QDF8K. I ordered it last spring directly from Quaife when the exchange rate was pretty good.

mike


On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:58?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 14:35:20 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 20:35:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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 From the web site, the Gripper is a clutch-type differential like a Salisbury.
If you want adjustable ramps, then Gripper looks like a good option. If you want a no-drama diff, get a Quaife and drive s-m-o-o-t-h.
l8r.rml

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 04:13:44 PM EDT, JOE CURRY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
   I don't know what the "Gripper" is, but if it is anything like "Phantom Grip" that you add to a stock diff to create friction to "lock" the two sides, It doesn't work.? The Quaife works fine until you lose drive on one of the two sides and then it totally uncouples the diff from the drive train.? You end up pushing the car off the track.   ?   Joe C.?  
  On 07/20/2023 12:00 PM EDT Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?    ?   Scott,   Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.?   ?   Jake?   ?      On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?     Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.  ?   Scott Janzen   '68 GT6 
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From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 14:35:18 2023
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:35:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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What about for a smooth madman?

If such a person exists?!

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:53 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the
> #80.  On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much
> better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle
> to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out.  Last
> turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same
> driver.   However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better
> performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating
> wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a
> turn.   I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help.  Lap times were the
> same on both cars.
>
> 1.  Do you drive like a madman?  If yes, run the welded diff
> 2. Are you a smooth driver?  If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness.
>
>
> LOL
>
> I have not driven a Gripper diff
>
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Dave Gott
>
>
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>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Scott,
> Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in
> the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this
> weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits
> or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever
> been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my
> Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.
>
> Jake
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I
> currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any
> advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what
> the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
>
>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 14:52:13 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:52:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Thompson fall finale and Watkins Glen, July Sprints, same diff, welded
(2021) vs Quife(2022), in both cases marginally faster with the Quaife.  In
the case of the Quaife results, I was still getting wheel hop, backing off
exiting the corners, so not the best I expect to get from it. New rear
spring, less camber, this year but track conditions (wet) at Thompson make
the 2023 comparison (not included) moot.
Best lap welded -
Thompson -
1:34.692
The Glen
2:46.708


Best Lap Quaife -
Thompson
1:34.372
the glen
2:46.202





On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 4:24?PM Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Mike, any relevant same-track comparisons in lap times, welded vs quaife?
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Scott, I went from a welded diff to a Quaife last year. Easier in the
> paddock etc to drive and push around. In the corners, less fighting the
> wheel, more point and shoot. Downside, I'm getting some wheel hop when I
> hit the gas. I've been making suspension, tire pressure and shock
> adjustments to dial it out, almost there. For the K Cup (and not one of the
> fast cars), I put an old welded diff in to get a better ratio (3.89) vs the
> normal 4.11 Quaife. Not sure I made the right call, no idea how many hills
> were at RA, but with all the settings the same, no wheel hop so it must be
> caused by the Quaife.
>
> GT6 diff in the car for the big stub axles, Quaife PN QDF8K. I ordered it
> last spring directly from Quaife when the exchange rate was pretty good.
>
> mike
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:58?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I
>> currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any
>> advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what
>> the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>>
>> Scott Janzen
>> '68 GT6
>>
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From ajamys at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 15:09:53 2023
From: ajamys at yahoo.com (alex amys)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 21:09:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Scott,
I was in the 184 GT6.? I run a welded diff.? Never ran anything else.
Alex184 GT6

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 16:24:17 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:24:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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 No one has mentioned the other Quaiffe diff, which is a plate type diff, aka Tran-x, which Quaiffe bought.? I have had a Tran-x in my car for years.? Had Detroit lockers prior to that, but after breaking a few of them I went with the Tran-x.? I chose the Tran-x over a Quaiffe to avoid the issue with loss of traction from lifting the inside rear wheel.? Quaiffe needs both rear wheels to have traction.? My Miata uses a Torsen, which is similar to the Quaiffe and it works great, but the Miata is an independent rear suspension, un-like the TR3's solid rear axle.?
The Tran-x is also easier to drive in the rain than the Detroit locker.? The DL would sometimes lock unexpectedly in a corner in the rain, sending the back end around.? Torsen is also great in the rain.? JoeB
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:02:33 PM EDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 17:30:02 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 18:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu Jul 20 17:31:14 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:31:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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I thought the Tran X was made by Quaife? in any event their disc?s fit my old Salisbury unit.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 20, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

? thanks, Dave.  Well, I have a welded diff - it requires some input to work - does that mean I drive like a madman?  Interesting, your results are the opposite of what I would have expected.  I assumed the welded diff is more of an inhibitor in tight turns where it wants the car to understeer, and on sweepers the wheel speed differential would have less of an effect.
Guess I?ll just have to try and find out.  Don?t like the idea of any wheel spin though.

On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com<mailto:triumphsix at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80.  On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out.  Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver.   However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn.   I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help.  Lap times were the same on both cars.

1.  Do you drive like a madman?  If yes, run the welded diff
2. Are you a smooth driver?  If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness.


LOL

I have not driven a Gripper diff


I hope that helps!

Dave Gott


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Scott,
Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.

Jake

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.

Scott Janzen
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 20 18:31:07 2023
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 00:31:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Agree.  Driving with a Quaife taught me tons about managing weight transfer.

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -

>From the web site, the Gripper is a clutch-type differential like a Salisbury.

If you want adjustable ramps, then Gripper looks like a good option. If you want a no-drama diff, get a Quaife and drive s-m-o-o-t-h.

l8r.
rml

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 04:13:44 PM EDT, JOE CURRY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I don't know what the "Gripper" is, but if it is anything like "Phantom Grip" that you add to a stock diff to create friction to "lock" the two sides, It doesn't work.  The Quaife works fine until you lose drive on one of the two sides and then it totally uncouples the diff from the drive train.  You end up pushing the car off the track.

Joe C.
On 07/20/2023 12:00 PM EDT Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



Scott,
Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.

Jake

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.

Scott Janzen
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Jul 20 18:34:04 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 19:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Keep in mind that the question was a GT6 question, 
The top 3 GT6?s at the Kastner Cup were all running welded Differentials. 
I have run both a limited slip and welded in more than one GT6 racecar. 
To me there is no comparison.
Welded wins.
You have to be a very deliberate and a careful downshifter for certain. 
But, All the power you need is ALWAYS there.
Without exaggerating....The fastest times ever turned by A GT6 at Road America Were recorded this past weekend during the Kastner cup. 
The welded Diff is the fastest setup for a GT6, period. 
With a minimum of an additional $600 fee For the limited slip, I see no reason to switch unless maybe it might last longer and you would like to go slower.
If you are a good driver, The winning answer seems to point toward welded.

Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 6:59 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, any relevant same-track comparisons in lap times, welded vs quaife?
> 
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I went from a welded diff to a Quaife last year. Easier in the paddock etc to drive and push around. In the corners, less fighting the wheel, more point and shoot. Downside, I'm getting some wheel hop when I hit the gas. I've been making suspension, tire pressure and shock adjustments to dial it out, almost there. For the K Cup (and not one of the fast cars), I put an old welded diff in to get a better ratio (3.89) vs the normal 4.11 Quaife. Not sure I made the right call, no idea how many hills were at RA, but with all the settings the same, no wheel hop so it must be caused by the Quaife.
> 
> GT6 diff in the car for the big stub axles, Quaife PN QDF8K. I ordered it last spring directly from Quaife when the exchange rate was pretty good.
> 
> mike
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:58?AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>> 
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>> '68 GT6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 20 18:57:16 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 19:57:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Can't keep my mouth shut on this one, lots of great advice so far.

Jack ran welded diff in TR-3 back in the day, he reported push unless he 
kicked the tail out.? Taught him bad habits he had to unlearn when he 
went to a formula vee where smoothness rules. When he built his TR-4 he 
did the Quaiffe diff so I have experience with that one.

The three main LSD's are

Gear type (Quaiffe), clutch type (Gripper / Salisbury), detroit locker, 
I guess also viscous coupling but I'm going to ignore that one.? This 
would be like a Nissan or Subaru LSD probably.

As mentioned, the gear type diffs reward smooth driving.? If you lift an 
inside rear wheel, it WILL spin and you will lose some but not all of 
your drive (open diff you lose all).? In Jack's car, I suffered from 
that but Jack didn't after learning to be smooth in the FV.? Forced me 
to pat attention to smoothness.? Gear type diffs are pretty bullet 
proof, they rely on some creative use of worm drive gears as I 
understand it.? If both wheels are on the ground, it will transfer 
torque to both properly and not spin the inside tire.? Overheating 
doesn't appear an issue.? There are very smooth in engagement - can't 
feel it.

Clutch type have many adjustment options if you choose to use them.? 
They require some care in what lubrication you use since they are using 
clutches in an oil bath.? The clutches can wear over time so there is 
some maintenance needed.? They can also produce heat when being actively 
used, that can be an issue in longer events.? They can keep an inside 
wheel from spinning when off the ground.? They are progressive in takeup.

Detroit Locker is not generally available in the TR diffs, they are rare 
in the big TR's, not sure if they are even available in GT-6 / spit.? 
They act like an open diff on corner entry so no push but act like a 
welded diff on power on exit of turns.? They are mechanical, reliable 
and not sensitive to which lube you're using.? This is the one that fits 
MY driving style.? You can feel them engage at times - I don't notice 
while racing but do notice it in the rain or when pussy footing around.? 
Would be horrible on the street I'd think.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 7/20/2023 10:44 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I 
> currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether 
> any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as 
> to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 18:57:25 2023
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 00:57:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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I had a locker in my 62tr4 which broke on the Dyno. I went to a LSD out of England. I liked it better. I don't recall who I bought it from but it came in a week for$45 shipping?

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  On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:27 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

We have run a QUAIFE for 30 years and it has been flawless in the TR4.

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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?? I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.? Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
> 
> Scott Janzen
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 18:59:39 2023
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 00:59:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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I bought the LSD from Revington

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  On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:57 PM, Mike Mehl<mike.mehl at yahoo.com> wrote:   I had a locker in my 62tr4 which broke on the Dyno. I went to a LSD out of England. I liked it better. I don't recall who I bought it from but it came in a week for$45 shipping?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:27 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

We have run a QUAIFE for 30 years and it has been flawless in the TR4.

Joe Alexander
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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?? I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.? Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
> 
> Scott Janzen
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 19:01:43 2023
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 01:01:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Safety gear
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Love it

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  On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:47 AM, Mark Bradakis via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   Safety gear for the driver, from about when the dinosaurs roamed the 
Earth.? Courtesy of Bob Johns.

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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Jul 20 19:04:17 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 20:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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I am the smooth madman.
And a further fact analysis has to do with oil volume 
The limited slip unit installed inside the tiny GT6 diff case takes up way wore space than the welded spider gears. Thus the welded setup allows you to use more oil which is critical. 
Generally speaking the GT6 Differential requires more oil volume not less.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars

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> On Jul 20, 2023, at 7:48 PM, Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> What about for a smooth madman? 
> 
> If such a person exists?!
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:53 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80.  On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out.  Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver.   However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn.   I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help.  Lap times were the same on both cars.
>> 
>> 1.  Do you drive like a madman?  If yes, run the welded diff
>> 2. Are you a smooth driver?  If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness.  
>> 
>> 
>> LOL
>> 
>> I have not driven a Gripper diff
>> 
>> 
>> I hope that helps!
>> 
>> Dave Gott
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive. 
>> 
>> Jake 
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>> 
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>> '68 GT6
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 20 20:25:51 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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That is like "Old Bold" Race Car Drivers.
 
Joe C.

> On 07/20/2023 4:35 PM EDT Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> What about for a smooth madman? 
>  
> If such a person exists?!
> 
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:53 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Scott,
> >  
> > I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80.  On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out.  Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver.   However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn.   I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help.  Lap times were the same on both cars.
> >  
> > 1.  Do you drive like a madman?  If yes, run the welded diff
> > 2. Are you a smooth driver?  If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness.  
> >  
> >  
> > LOL
> >  
> > I have not driven a Gripper diff
> >  
> >  
> > I hope that helps!
> >  
> > Dave Gott
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > >  
> > > Scott,
> > > Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive. 
> > >  
> > > Jake 
> > >  
> > > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
> > >  
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Jul 20 21:16:47 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:16:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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From lunkercars at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 21 00:13:48 2023
From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:13:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Fascinating and accurate run down Tony.
Since I sent you a personal congrats a few hours ago I?ve been mentally reminiscing about when you graciously let me drive the Red Rocket in the RA enduro years ago.
Remember when I went out for practice and came in after a lap or two and told you about the banging I heard coming out of corners?
With helmet on and car running you explained I was only hearing the Detroit Locker engaging, said ?don?t worry about it? and sent me back out. I had never used a DL in anything but a straight line and although I found the noise a bit disconcerting, I took your advice. Sure didn?t want to )and didn?t) break a borrowed car but boy was that fun! 
Congratulations again and all the best.
Greg ? Lunker? Hilyer
Albuquerque NM

> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:52 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Can't keep my mouth shut on this one, lots of great advice so far.
> 
> Jack ran welded diff in TR-3 back in the day, he reported push unless he kicked the tail out.  Taught him bad habits he had to unlearn when he went to a formula vee where smoothness rules. When he built his TR-4 he did the Quaiffe diff so I have experience with that one.
> 
> The three main LSD's are
> 
> Gear type (Quaiffe), clutch type (Gripper / Salisbury), detroit locker, I guess also viscous coupling but I'm going to ignore that one.  This would be like a Nissan or Subaru LSD probably.
> 
> As mentioned, the gear type diffs reward smooth driving.  If you lift an inside rear wheel, it WILL spin and you will lose some but not all of your drive (open diff you lose all).  In Jack's car, I suffered from that but Jack didn't after learning to be smooth in the FV.  Forced me to pat attention to smoothness.  Gear type diffs are pretty bullet proof, they rely on some creative use of worm drive gears as I understand it.  If both wheels are on the ground, it will transfer torque to both properly and not spin the inside tire.  Overheating doesn't appear an issue.  There are very smooth in engagement - can't feel it.
> 
> Clutch type have many adjustment options if you choose to use them.  They require some care in what lubrication you use since they are using clutches in an oil bath.  The clutches can wear over time so there is some maintenance needed.  They can also produce heat when being actively used, that can be an issue in longer events.  They can keep an inside wheel from spinning when off the ground.  They are progressive in takeup.
> 
> Detroit Locker is not generally available in the TR diffs, they are rare in the big TR's, not sure if they are even available in GT-6 / spit.  They act like an open diff on corner entry so no push but act like a welded diff on power on exit of turns.  They are mechanical, reliable and not sensitive to which lube you're using.  This is the one that fits MY driving style.  You can feel them engage at times - I don't notice while racing but do notice it in the rain or when pussy footing around.  Would be horrible on the street I'd think.
> 
> Cheers, Tony Drews
> 
>> On 7/20/2023 10:44 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>> 
>> Scott Janzen
>> '68 GT6
>> 
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Fri Jul 21 04:14:06 2023
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:14:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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Very well summarised, thank you Tony and congratulations for the Cup, great to follow the legacy !

I do run a Gripper in my TR3, which is indeed a plate type LSD, but with the advantage over the other Salisbury plate LSDs that the clutch discs do not have a friction material coating.
 
Therefore they (almost) do not wear vs the usual coated discs, which can wear very quickly under hard use.

Advantage over a Quaife : again, as the other plate LSDs the Gripper is fully adjustable and does not need traction on both wheels to work, meaning it works on snow (very useful here for Winter rallies in the Alps), slippery surfaces, and in case of wheel lift, where the Quaife is lost, as it needs an amount of grip both sides.

I run the car mostly in hillclimbing (and road as well, it is street legal) and the gripper does its job very well. Some track as well, but no experience with a welded diff to compare.

It would be interesting to see what the other Tony in the UK (Tony Sheach) who is road rallying intensively in the UK uses and says (Here is a hint: he wrote to the list in 2014 "Conversely, real men have rear wheel drive with plate type limited slip diffs .... I rest my case m'lud.")

Take care dear Foters!
Alex Camoletti  
(TR3A, period rally prepped, Geneva, Switzerland)



-----Message d'origine-----
De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Tony Drews via Fot
Envoy? : vendredi 21 juillet 2023 02:57
? : fot at autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -

Can't keep my mouth shut on this one, lots of great advice so far.

Jack ran welded diff in TR-3 back in the day, he reported push unless he 
kicked the tail out.  Taught him bad habits he had to unlearn when he 
went to a formula vee where smoothness rules. When he built his TR-4 he 
did the Quaiffe diff so I have experience with that one.

The three main LSD's are

Gear type (Quaiffe), clutch type (Gripper / Salisbury), detroit locker, 
I guess also viscous coupling but I'm going to ignore that one.  This 
would be like a Nissan or Subaru LSD probably.

As mentioned, the gear type diffs reward smooth driving.  If you lift an 
inside rear wheel, it WILL spin and you will lose some but not all of 
your drive (open diff you lose all).  In Jack's car, I suffered from 
that but Jack didn't after learning to be smooth in the FV.  Forced me 
to pat attention to smoothness.  Gear type diffs are pretty bullet 
proof, they rely on some creative use of worm drive gears as I 
understand it.  If both wheels are on the ground, it will transfer 
torque to both properly and not spin the inside tire.  Overheating 
doesn't appear an issue.  There are very smooth in engagement - can't 
feel it.

Clutch type have many adjustment options if you choose to use them.  
They require some care in what lubrication you use since they are using 
clutches in an oil bath.  The clutches can wear over time so there is 
some maintenance needed.  They can also produce heat when being actively 
used, that can be an issue in longer events.  They can keep an inside 
wheel from spinning when off the ground.  They are progressive in takeup.

Detroit Locker is not generally available in the TR diffs, they are rare 
in the big TR's, not sure if they are even available in GT-6 / spit.  
They act like an open diff on corner entry so no push but act like a 
welded diff on power on exit of turns.  They are mechanical, reliable 
and not sensitive to which lube you're using.  This is the one that fits 
MY driving style.  You can feel them engage at times - I don't notice 
while racing but do notice it in the rain or when pussy footing around.  
Would be horrible on the street I'd think.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 7/20/2023 10:44 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe?  I 
> currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether 
> any advantage could be gained by making a swap.  Certainly curious as 
> to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
>
> Scott Janzen
> '68 GT6
>
>
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jul 21 06:52:18 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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That is good to know, thanks John.

John
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:31:14 +0000, "John H. Hasty via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I thought the Tran X was made by Quaife? in any event their disc?s fit my old Salisbury unit.
?
Sent from my iPhone

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On Jul 20, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?



? thanks, Dave. ?Well, I have a welded diff - it requires some input to work - does that mean I drive like a madman? ?Interesting, your results are the opposite of what I would have expected. ?I assumed the welded diff is more of an inhibitor in tight turns where it wants the car to understeer, and on sweepers the wheel speed differential would have less of an effect.
Guess I?ll just have to try and find out. ?Don?t like the idea of any wheel spin though.
?
On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote:
?


Hi Scott,
?

I?ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80. ?On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out. ?Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver. ? However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn. ? I?ve developed a simple questionnaire to help. ?Lap times were the same on both cars.

?

1. ?Do you drive like a madman? ?If yes, run the welded diff

2. Are you a smooth driver? ?If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness. ?

?

?

LOL

?

I have not driven a Gripper diff

?

?

I hope that helps!

?

Dave Gott

?
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?

On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:





?

Scott,

Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.?

?

Jake?

?





On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

?



Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? ?I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. ?Certainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
?

Scott Janzen

'68 GT6
?

?



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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 07:55:00 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] British Sports Car Hall of Fame coverage
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Below is a link to my coverage on Facebook of the British Sports Car Hall
of Fame Class of 2023 induction ceremony, including our very own Mr Mark
Bradakis with a well-deserved recognition and induction. His name is etched
into British sports car history. It was great to see you, sir!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02GsW5J7rdEp5kzesLBbRxf9BGpYSwvoLArKxPcVP9wNfNcAwJYaK3SfFGcUkbioaXl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 09:25:07 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:25:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] British Sports Car Hall of Fame coverage
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Wow!  That is truly outstanding.

Thank you for doing this.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Below is a link to my coverage on Facebook of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame Class of 2023 induction ceremony, including our very own Mr Mark Bradakis with a well-deserved recognition and induction. His name is etched into British sports car history. It was great to see you, sir!
> 
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02GsW5J7rdEp5kzesLBbRxf9BGpYSwvoLArKxPcVP9wNfNcAwJYaK3SfFGcUkbioaXl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz
> 
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> Friends of Triumph - Media
> 515-339-4228
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From jeffreykelley at charter.net  Fri Jul 21 09:40:16 2023
From: jeffreykelley at charter.net (Jeff Kelley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

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From markarthuralexander at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 10:17:28 2023
From: markarthuralexander at gmail.com (Mark Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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Brian's write-up is incredible. I think I have read it 4 times to figure
out how to extend additional thoughts to express gratitude that Brian
succinctly conveys.

To build upon Brian's well articulated message I'll do my best here by
simply adding a few additional thoughts to underline and reiterate:

Every year, the Kastner Cup has always adapted to the event, venue, and
sanctioning body. This, of course, brings both opportunities and challenges
all at the same time.

   - Brian and I did our best to align with the fundamental tenets of the
   Kastner Cup set forth by our predecessors.
   - Road America was incredible to work with as a sanctioning body.  They
   were flexible and supportive leading up to the event and through-out the
   weekend.  This said, we did run into some challenges with this size of an
   event but Road America staff made note on several occasions the
   professionalism of Kastner Cup participants.  We all really represented Kas
   well here.
   - We worked hard at making sure both race entries and street Triumphs
   were accommodated, presented, and together in the paddock. With the number
   of overall race entries to the WIC, we were making adjustments in the weeks
   and days  leading up to the event  for street and race paddock parking. We
   really appreciated everyone's flexibility in changes and approach.

A peek behind the scenes for just a moment:

   -  Grid position for the Kastner Cup race was determined by the very
   seasoned and helpful timing and scoring staff at Road America based on the
   qualifying sessions on Saturday.  Not all cars participated in qualifying
   which resulted in the grid presented for Sunday's race.  Good feedback from
   drivers and the Grand Marshal proved very helpful and is an example of
   where RA staff were flexible in working with us.  3 trips to timing and
   scoring Sunday morning corrected the grid but didn't perfectly translate to
   false grid staff and running order.  For those racing participants on
   false-grid on Sunday, you experienced a bit of delay as we continued to
   work with the grid marshal to make "most" of the corrections.  Thanks for
   your patience and feedback.


To add to Brian's comment, "it takes a village":


   - Throught-out the past year, Grand Marshal, Joe Alexander, provided
   invaluable feedback and counsel to make this event happen.  The important
   relationship with Kas firmly sustains the future of the Kastner Cup.
   - Curt.  Your process oriented approach we simply tried to build-upon
   your success.
   - 2017 Kastner Cup Chairs: Brian Garcia and Jason Ostrowski.  Their
   experience hosting the 2017 Kastner Cup and connections with RA proved
   invaluable.  We were able to leverage many of their ideas and efforts and
   for this event Brian Garcia really laid the groundwork with RA to make it
   all happen.  Many meetings and phone calls.
   - The topic of the Kastner Cup grid for Sunday is important as it is a
   great example of how well everyone works together for the Kastner Cup event
   each year and this is where I really want to highlight *Henry Frye*.
   Henry was back in Connecticut working up spreadsheets for the running
   order.  This was never asked of Henry, not planned, but immensely
   valuable.  We were able to take Henry's analysis to timing and scoring and
   make changes to the grid.   So, thanks to Henry.  Well played at an
   important moment.
   - Bob Johns and family:  Your feedback is always on-point.  Your
   attendance is very much a highlight of the Kastner Cup weekend.  Thank-you.


Mark

2023 Kastner Cup Co-Chair's:

*Brian Garcia*

Email: cudapilot at comcast.com

Mobile: 847.452.2246

*Mark Alexander*

Email: markarthuralexander at gmail.com

Mobile: 952.412.6683




On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:54?PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you, Brian & Mark.
>
>
> Curt Johnston took the Kastner Cup up a notch and you guys built on his
> successes.
>
> The Kastner Cup and Gary Kincel?s Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony were
> unqualified successes.  I am proud to be a part of this.
>
> Venues and sanctioning bodies have been coming to us. I think Kas
> Kastner?s Legacy is secure with the Kastner Cup Series leading the way.
>
> See many of you at Sonoma. KCup 2024.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
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>
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:05 PM, Brian Garcia via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Amici-
>
> This is several days overdue but as typically happens the real world was
> waiting to bash me over the head as soon as I got back from Road America
> and I've been playing catch up all week.  I wanted to take a moment to
> thank each and every one of you that attended the Kastner Cup last
> weekend.  All that were there can attest to the fact that this was no small
> event.  With 500+ cars and thousands of spectators it is difficult for a
> group to stand out but we did.  From the cars on display at the welcome
> dinner, to the FOT members involved with and honored at the HOF induction,
> to the parade and concourse Friday night, and all weekend on the track you
> shined in the spotlight.  I hope you enjoyed your time there.  I can tell
> you first hand that we made a great impression on the Road America staff as
> I'd knew we would.
>
> Thanks too to all that supported the event through your donations of time,
> materials, and/or labor.  There are a lot of moving pieces involved in
> executing a good event and it takes a village.  The event would not have
> happened without you.  I personally wish I would have had more time to hang
> out with all of you but my own Vintage ride demanded a lot of my time and
> attention last weekend as they are prone to do.  It was great to meet so
> many of you though and I look forward to seeing you at other events in the
> future.  Big thanks to my co-chair Mark Alexander for all of his efforts
> over the past year to help bring all of this together. It started with a
> phone call from him to me when I was on my way to GingerMan in April of
> last year.  I think we met our expectations, Mark.  Thanks to our special
> guests Peter Brock and Bob Johns for gracing us with their presence,
> history, and insight that made the event all that much more special. Thanks
> to Shawn Frank for his time spent capturing the event for all to enjoy in
> the future.  And finally thanks to Joe Alexander for being our Grand
> Marshal and keeping Kas' spirit alive.  He would have been proud of you
> last weekend and of all of you that raced.  Exquisite cars and racing all
> weekend long.
>
> Congrats to our Kastner Cup winner Tony Drews.  The selection process is
> not an easy one but Tony exemplifies the pillars that the award stands
> for.  Congrats also go to our marque award winners:
>
> Triumph Special - Bill Hart
> TR3 - Mike Jackson
> TR4 -  Brian Howlett
> TR6 - Bob Lang
> TR7 - Curt Johnston
> TR8 - Joe Carr
> GT6 - Dan Gehweiler
> Spitfire - Dave Amys
>
>
> One last bit of housekeeping - for those interested in event posters they
> are still available through Mark Alexander.  If you still would like to
> order a Kastner Cup shirt the online sale is still opens but closes this
> Sunday.  Here is the link:
>
>    -
>    http://www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link
>    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.customink.com/fundraising/2023-kastner-cup-9528?utm_campaign=fr_organizer_email&utm_content=2023-kastner-cup-9528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link__;!!KLD-3XdobhZF!EROZVvuNbKVFBGWXK65m1L5giW7dvhqwmAxMZO7hdg_SVaX6Y7Y1esgmxWuOjNIRhTsEo35UTZ9okkiVLWZgVF4rlw$>
>
>
> As I said last weekend - FOT and the Kastner Cup represent the best parts
> of Vintage Racing.  As a driver of several orphan cars I have no equivalent
> to this group or the Cup but I thank you for allowing me to be a Friend of
> Triumph.  Thanks again and best of luck with the rest of your racing
> seasons.
>
> Brian Garcia
> Co-Chair  2023 Kastner Cup
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 11:25:14 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:25:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 11:28:20 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
References: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <DFC6641C-DED9-4670-AA84-D373F3E870E0@gmail.com>

It will be disturbing to some, but the name will live on.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jul 21, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Jeff Kelley via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
> 
> Jeff Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri Jul 21 11:31:59 2023
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:31:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
References: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <SN4P221MB08119B37ECDF935EED7BE712C33FA@SN4P221MB0811.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hideous.

The return of the Triumph nameplate as been touted several times before, to no avail.  If the car shown is all they have, I hope the name stays as a footnote in automotive history.

Terry Stetler

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 11:40:16 AM
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Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 21 12:54:22 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:54:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2024
Message-ID: <bcaa71d9-2626-429c-9d9f-87c9b6a239cc@bradakis.com>

Sonoma could be within driving distance for me.  Hopefully nice weather 
over the Sierras at the time.  This could be a record for me, 3 Kastner 
Cups in a row!

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 21 13:21:52 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:21:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
References: <42F44493-7819-4DDF-9A6C-26E06103CCF0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <2c7acb8a-4a60-a4aa-f8de-0bfba778cdf5@bradakis.com>

Definite styling cues from the TR2/3, too bad the doors don't swoop 
down.  Could be interesting.

mjb.


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 13:41:39 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:41:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A couple of pics from RA
Message-ID: <C37E1FAD-68C6-4AF9-AF31-790222A93214@gmail.com>

Here are a couple of pics I took from the Kastner Cup weekend.  I hope you enjoy them.


The newly minted Kastner Cup winner in his environment.


Mike Jackson carrying contraband across state lines.


They are 65mm chokes, I measured!


I didn?t get a chance to talk with him, but he seemed a little two dimensional.


Triumph royalty!


Curt and crew working way to hard.  They made it though.

Chuck
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 14:09:08 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:09:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <DFC6641C-DED9-4670-AA84-D373F3E870E0@gmail.com>
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Concept cars never go into production.  That being said - it would be great for the marque to return!

> On Jul 21, 2023, at 21:16, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?It will be disturbing to some, but the name will live on.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Jeff Kelley via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
>> 
>> Jeff Kelley
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 21 14:17:32 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 20:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <SN4P221MB08119B37ECDF935EED7BE712C33FA@SN4P221MB0811.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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 Is there a description worse than that?(of course asking for the proverbial friend)
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 03:50:29 PM EDT, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Hideous.

 ?
 
The return of the Triumph nameplate as been touted several times before, to no avail.? If the car shown is all they have, I hope the name stays as a footnote in automotive history.

 ?
 
Terry Stetler

 ?
 
Sent from Mail for Windows

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 From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Kelley via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 11:40:16 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph???
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

Jeff Kelley_______________________________________________
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jul 21 18:47:47 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 00:47:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
In-Reply-To: <SN4P221MB08119B37ECDF935EED7BE712C33FA@SN4P221MB0811.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Sign me up.  I think it looks cool!

Scott (B.)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 12:31:59 PM
To: Jeff Kelley <jeffreykelley at charter.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??


Hideous.



The return of the Triumph nameplate as been touted several times before, to no avail.  If the car shown is all they have, I hope the name stays as a footnote in automotive history.



Terry Stetler



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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 11:40:16 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 21 19:24:18 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:24:18 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Power outage
Message-ID: <7ac339ab-9306-908f-7399-31dfa87e7407@bradakis.com>

House lost power for several hours, more than the UPS team.net is 
plugged into could handle.  Hopefully no more power interruptions in the 
near future, and email will continue to flow.

mjb.


From incidentalslip at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 21 19:15:52 2023
From: incidentalslip at yahoo.com (Jesse Darrow)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:15:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jul 21 19:41:52 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -
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From jgtrudeau at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 16:39:54 2023
From: jgtrudeau at comcast.net (James Trudeau)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 18:39:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The rebirth of Triumph??
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 20:04:33 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:04:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2024
In-Reply-To: <bcaa71d9-2626-429c-9d9f-87c9b6a239cc@bradakis.com>
References: <bcaa71d9-2626-429c-9d9f-87c9b6a239cc@bradakis.com>
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I am thinking ?Hall of Fame Reunion?.  We will not have induction in 2023.

You will want to be there. It is a GREAT track.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jul 21, 2023, at 8:57 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Sonoma could be within driving distance for me.  Hopefully nice weather over the Sierras at the time.  This could be a record for me, 3 Kastner Cups in a row!
> 
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 20:06:21 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:06:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 20:12:43 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:12:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P2 and P3 Coverage
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eZi97u-MLuxYruN=4kFpTiYerUcOuHYfp+OwmjPKvZjZg@mail.gmail.com>

Attached are links to my Facebook coverage of P2, Dan Gehweiler and P3 Alex
Amys...

P2 Dan Gehweiler
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0SGF4CFNdNjPcBYxdduTWJ5cDwJKSreEeYdLCPERYQYU9MZWqQXmCD89KP5EkFrjMl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

P3 Alex Amys
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02XCouCpu5zCLLpzVkUPnSpHAHB7yhByBPT4a33qNFn19B9wQVbyd9q1eyQCWB65bBl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 21:34:57 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 20:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A couple of pics from RA
In-Reply-To: <C37E1FAD-68C6-4AF9-AF31-790222A93214@gmail.com>
References: <C37E1FAD-68C6-4AF9-AF31-790222A93214@gmail.com>
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Wow!  Look at the headers on that GT6!  I want to see more.
Thanks, Chuck.
Dave H. 

> On 07/21/2023 12:41 PM PDT Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Here are a couple of pics I took from the Kastner Cup weekend.  I hope you enjoy them.
>  
> [image0.jpeg]
> The newly minted Kastner Cup winner in his environment.
>  
> [image1.jpeg]
> Mike Jackson carrying contraband across state lines.
>  
> [image2.jpeg]
> They are 65mm chokes, I measured!
>  
> [image3.jpeg]
> I didn?t get a chance to talk with him, but he seemed a little two dimensional.
>  
> [image4.jpeg]
> Triumph royalty!
>  
> [image6.jpeg]
> Curt and crew working way to hard.  They made it though.
>  
> Chuck
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 22:15:59 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:15:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
Message-ID: <AF0EE6BE-4D03-452A-BB68-E69265F22412@comcast.net>

I couldn?t agree more with Joe.  Fabulous job Mark and Brian!  You have raised the bar once again.

Any FOT willing to be on the 2024 Sonoma Committee, please let me know.  All Committee positions are open.  Having co-chairs this year seemed to work well.

Curt Johnston
curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667

Sent by Curt Johnston from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jul 21 23:08:34 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 00:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup video
Message-ID: <8c3bb0e8-f6a8-8773-298f-e60eec84e622@tonydrews.com>

Here's in-car video and some pictures (in the video) from the Kastner 
Cup last weekend at Road America.

https://youtu.be/qP4qyo8CgzQ <https://youtu.be/qP4qyo8CgzQ>

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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 09:42:41 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2023 Kastner Cup - Thank You
In-Reply-To: <AF0EE6BE-4D03-452A-BB68-E69265F22412@comcast.net>
References: <AF0EE6BE-4D03-452A-BB68-E69265F22412@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2ea=0m=KDkVR6-n4CLf+whDn5ZmtvcdYEaAtSHxmuO9=1g@mail.gmail.com>

You know you can count on me for media.

*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*


On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 4:02?AM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I couldn?t agree more with Joe.  Fabulous job Mark and Brian!  You have
> raised the bar once again.
>
> Any FOT willing to be on the 2024 Sonoma Committee, please let me know.
> All Committee positions are open.  Having co-chairs this year seemed to
> work well.
>
> Curt Johnston
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667
>
> Sent by Curt Johnston from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 09:43:34 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:43:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup video
In-Reply-To: <8c3bb0e8-f6a8-8773-298f-e60eec84e622@tonydrews.com>
References: <8c3bb0e8-f6a8-8773-298f-e60eec84e622@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eYYW_ysc9_hjMVEnW1Dqbpkq8oooiOMukGg9fqBWDvNeA@mail.gmail.com>

Nice work, Champ!

*Shawn Frank*



*The Vintage Triumph Magazine - EditorNorth American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire
& GT6 Magazine) - OwnerContinued Legacy Photo - OwnerIowa British Car
ClubFriends of Triumph - Media515-339-4228'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV
"Gertrude"*


On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 4:25?AM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Here's in-car video and some pictures (in the video) from the Kastner Cup
> last weekend at Road America.
>
> https://youtu.be/qP4qyo8CgzQ
>
> Regards, Tony Drews
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From jeffreykelley at charter.net  Sat Jul 22 10:24:20 2023
From: jeffreykelley at charter.net (Jeff Kelley)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 09:24:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Standard Triumph History Lesson
Message-ID: <43BE330D-5FD0-4960-8AB6-9DD1822C4CA1@charter.net>

Today the 22nd of July 2023 marks the 70th Birthdays of the two of the most famous Triumph TRs in the world TS1 and TS2.
This rare image from the Triumph Register Ireland archives shows TS2 on the day she was presented to the world's press in 1953 at the Standard Triumph factory in Coventry UK.
TS2 was exported to Ireland where she received her registration number IR-6360. 

Today TS2 is owned and driven by the members of TR Register UK.
Happy Birthday TS1 and TS2.
Image courtesy of BMIHT.

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TS141L, TS778L

From jhassall at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 14:34:09 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 16:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Recurving a distributor
Message-ID: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>

Amici
I?m having a CRS moment. Years ago i sent a TR4 distributor to a fellow (Jeff Schlemmer?) to be rebuilt and recurved. I *think* the company name was something like Advanced Distributors. I can?t find my build notes so hope that someone in this august group knows who I?m talking about. 

Thanks! 

?
jim    W4BEA
Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7

From 4msonset at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 15:05:44 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 14:05:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Recurving a distributor
In-Reply-To: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
References: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9AA4C54-DA29-48E0-88C6-BEFADD391D9F@gmail.com>

Maybe here?

Advanced Distributors, LLC
https://www.advanceddistributors.com/



> On Jul 22, 2023, at 1:42 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici
> I?m having a CRS moment. Years ago i sent a TR4 distributor to a fellow (Jeff Schlemmer?) to be rebuilt and recurved. I *think* the company name was something like Advanced Distributors. I can?t find my build notes so hope that someone in this august group knows who I?m talking about. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> ?
> jim    W4BEA
> Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
> _______________________________________________
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 15:10:23 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Recurving a distributor
In-Reply-To: <F9AA4C54-DA29-48E0-88C6-BEFADD391D9F@gmail.com>
References: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
 <F9AA4C54-DA29-48E0-88C6-BEFADD391D9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=iLWZafSqtXvhhV+Ns7wDKiPaxijWLwaGMjOYb=kiyQxvxDg@mail.gmail.com>

YES!  Thank you Justin.

jim

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 5:06?PM J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe here?
>
> Advanced Distributors, LLC
> https://www.advanceddistributors.com/
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 2023, at 1:42 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Amici
> > I?m having a CRS moment. Years ago i sent a TR4 distributor to a fellow
> (Jeff Schlemmer?) to be rebuilt and recurved. I *think* the company name
> was something like Advanced Distributors. I can?t find my build notes so
> hope that someone in this august group knows who I?m talking about.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ?
> > jim    W4BEA
> > Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul 22 15:33:52 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 16:33:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Recurving a distributor
In-Reply-To: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
References: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <180D342C-6061-4ECF-9729-483189D303F4@sbcglobal.net>

J. C.

I had Jeff build a distributor for my GT6 about a year ago. He is very knowledgeable and distributor looks great. 

There is a good article about him in Kas?s book on page 35. 

His info is:

Jeff Schlemmer
www.advanceddistributors.com.  
612 804 5543


I haven?t talked to him in a while, but assume he is still in business. 

Hope that helps.  

Dennis Walje
67 GT6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2023, at 3:44 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici
> I?m having a CRS moment. Years ago i sent a TR4 distributor to a fellow (Jeff Schlemmer?) to be rebuilt and recurved. I *think* the company name was something like Advanced Distributors. I can?t find my build notes so hope that someone in this august group knows who I?m talking about. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> ?
> jim    W4BEA
> Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 16:00:52 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:00:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Recurving a distributor
In-Reply-To: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
References: <DDE71C13-42BD-4654-B6B1-5DC7F0E99D1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22638E76-C823-4CBC-8B0F-F96712BC74E4@gmail.com>

Yes. He does out stuff.   

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jul 22, 2023, at 3:53 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici
> I?m having a CRS moment. Years ago i sent a TR4 distributor to a fellow (Jeff Schlemmer?) to be rebuilt and recurved. I *think* the company name was something like Advanced Distributors. I can?t find my build notes so hope that someone in this august group knows who I?m talking about. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> ?
> jim    W4BEA
> Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jul 22 17:02:38 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:02:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More videos from Road America last weekend
Message-ID: <f0daa8c3-f25d-3b6b-d6ac-6d6d35ba37f6@tonydrews.com>

Here's video from the Saturday Qualifying race at Weathertech 
International Challenge on July 15, 2023 (last weekend).? Fun battle 
with a group of cars.

https://youtu.be/_yg2gbz0RN0

Here's video from Sunday's Group 2 race at Weathertech International 
Challenge on July 16, 2023.? Had an EPIC battle with Jason Ostrowski in 
his very period correct yellow Triumph GT-6.

https://youtu.be/qacft3Q95UM

Cheers, Tony Drews


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 09:34:16 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] J-Type Overdrive INSIGHTS. PARTS. REBUILD KITS. Resources?
Message-ID: <68D0D4D5-E0AB-43CD-B049-FC6743FC75FE@gmail.com>

FOT 

We have a damaged J-Type Overdrive to be rebuilt or replaced over the winter.

We have no experience with J Type Overdrives so we have a blank sheet of paper.

Any help, insights would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 15:33:34 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:33:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P4, P5, P6, and P7 coverage
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eYpVZp4RYrV7vEeH189=SKS4rO5KtosR0_iZrbfLwjqOg@mail.gmail.com>

Below are links to my coverage of P4 thru P7 on my Facebook page North
American Triumphs.

Brian Howlett P4
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02LWpmtkYjK6NVyGCLyWYV3DHDRzExyistP81cyg3A7XCdBQEFXTyXji9PtdzxXz1Cl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Mordy Dunst P5
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0w7zsN3Ms65v9EWB3j4kmq36NGRgT8EbCS1ZoKdHeLehyP1nZQrzApUfkuNPcu7dtl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Bob Lang P6
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0NSmNji3tKbUfNwa9K4QZPLTbofbERkcXaBisLXQwEEZpTQMu7oQFw2wRaHRYsnFbl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Jason Ostrowski P7
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0rwLJmiLeFXor9Qz53G3KSYud3ChD14gqzwaNR2izVQKQvXTQsqJsnJmmBeeDysqHl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jul 24 07:21:24 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:21:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
References: <1496041904.4333500.1690204884226.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1496041904.4333500.1690204884226@mail.yahoo.com>

We have seen video from several of the front running cars. Now comes a video of a backmarker. I started P24 and finished P22. My first Kasner Cup of what I hope will be followed by many more. Enjoy.?
Greg Thompson KastnerCup2023 - YouTube

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Jul 24 10:55:33 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:55:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] J-Type Overdrive INSIGHTS. PARTS. REBUILD KITS. Resources?
In-Reply-To: <68D0D4D5-E0AB-43CD-B049-FC6743FC75FE@gmail.com>
References: <68D0D4D5-E0AB-43CD-B049-FC6743FC75FE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c6829687-a1e4-76ed-36f5-20528d34a92f@pobox.com>

Joe, Buckeye Triumphs have a nice series of articles on J type 
overdrives. - Larry

On 7/23/2023 10:34 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> FOT
>
> We have a damaged J-Type Overdrive to be rebuilt or replaced over the winter.
>
> We have no experience with J Type Overdrives so we have a blank sheet of paper.
>
> Any help, insights would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon Jul 24 11:32:41 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:32:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] J-Type Overdrive INSIGHTS. PARTS. REBUILD KITS. Resources?
In-Reply-To: <c6829687-a1e4-76ed-36f5-20528d34a92f@pobox.com>
References: <68D0D4D5-E0AB-43CD-B049-FC6743FC75FE@gmail.com>
 <c6829687-a1e4-76ed-36f5-20528d34a92f@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <787910147.4502266.1690219961495@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yeah there's plenty of info on the 'net, re servicing, checks, & repair.The fundamentals are as the A-type but the hydraulics differ.Most important is to identify the cause of whatever failed.Often an inspection of the "hidden" internal filter will reveal clues if there's question; if the primary screen is packed it's likely pretty ducked.Replacement parts are a problem, depending on needs.They're also pretty labor-intensive to go through if badly trashed.
Glen Efinger

    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 01:11:26 PM EDT, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Joe, Buckeye Triumphs have a nice series of articles on J type 
overdrives. - Larry

On 7/23/2023 10:34 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> FOT
>
> We have a damaged J-Type Overdrive to be rebuilt or replaced over the winter.
>
> We have no experience with J Type Overdrives so we have a blank sheet of paper.
>
> Any help, insights would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:? 319.464.4711
>
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Mon Jul 24 20:59:41 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:59:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Video
In-Reply-To: <1496041904.4333500.1690204884226@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1496041904.4333500.1690204884226@mail.yahoo.com>
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From john at linneyweb.com  Mon Jul 24 23:12:49 2023
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:12:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] J-Type Overdrive INSIGHTS. PARTS. REBUILD KITS. Resources?
In-Reply-To: <68D0D4D5-E0AB-43CD-B049-FC6743FC75FE@gmail.com>
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I haven?t watched it but this video series looks right up that street? https://youtu.be/Gvg8_9Odrfc - J-Type Overdrive Overhauling - Part 1 - Disassembling and Assessing - Elin Yakov's Rusty Beauties

> On Jul 23, 2023, at 8:34 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> FOT 
> 
> We have a damaged J-Type Overdrive to be rebuilt or replaced over the winter.
> 
> We have no experience with J Type Overdrives so we have a blank sheet of paper.
> 
> Any help, insights would be appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 14:27:11 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New Triumph racer
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVbM=hVDGU66-98fmvMDzvcE9T12GBHk9rsJ7Lk6QtfmUA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list. A new Spitfire owner from
Wooster, Mass (Dave Gott, he's a regular at the Devins autocross events),
he's converting the car to first autocross and eventually Road Racing (once
he's out of college). He's asking all the right questions and doing his
research as the project evolves. I couldn't think of a better resource for
him than the old farts here.

Thanks

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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jul 25 15:31:13 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 15:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New Triumph racer
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On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list. 

I made it so.  Welcome, Cole!

mjb.



From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 25 15:37:06 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New Triumph racer
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Welcome Cole!

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 4:34 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list. 

I made it so.? Welcome, Cole!

mjb.


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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 15:58:59 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:58:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Turning 3D printed parts into polished aluminum with sand
 casting
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?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?.  ?Justin 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwP6AO0Wh18

From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 18:13:19 2023
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turning 3D printed parts into polished aluminum with sand
 casting
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Cool!

Kg

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:42 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?.  ?Justin 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwP6AO0Wh18
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From ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com  Tue Jul 25 20:16:07 2023
From: ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
Message-ID: <4A7EC1B3-61DB-4154-A2E1-1C1B49DECA7D@icloud.com>

Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 

Ronnie

From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 20:28:25 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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That would be fun.

The Spitfire made 3 consecutive appearances in the ARRC, 1971-73. All DNF?

Would be fun to get it back there and see a checkered flag.

Brad Eells
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> On Jul 25, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
> 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 21:21:22 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Would it have to be at the Mitty?

Chuck

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
> 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 22:40:18 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 06:40:18 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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That would be great!

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 04:20, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 26 05:03:06 2023
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:03:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup. at Rd Atl
Message-ID: <ec93e620-28ac-4aec-8350-345ed2745baa@earthlink.net>

sort of depends upon whether the KCup must be at a huge public event.
smaller organizations such as VDCA have much smaller events at some nice race tracks.
VDCA is at Rd Atl in November and our event is normally under subscribed and we search for partner groups to help pay the bills.

Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

Would it have to be at the Mitty?

Chuck

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
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> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com  Wed Jul 26 07:21:40 2023
From: ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:21:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran at Road Atlanta. 

Ronnie

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
>> 
>> Ronnie
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Jul 26 09:31:23 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>> During the Mitty.

From jsukey at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:15:13 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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A vote for the "club" type events!

Although the spectator experience at the big time events can't be beat,
being a driver at a big festival event doesn't do anything for me.  For my
vintage racing approach, I prefer the low key events.


Keep it simple, keep it fun, keep it accessible.

Jason Sukey



On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:59?AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:18:02 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:18:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Club events for me.

Marty



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 7/26/23 12:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
>
> Ronnie
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>> During the Mitty.
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:30:39 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:30:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <e06dd67a7ebb4374f9a55e8f999787b0@tr4racer.com>
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HSR also has a Fall event the 3rd week of September.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 9:03 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> Ronnie
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> Chuck
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:31:24 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:31:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with
the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after
Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump
one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute,
Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission
for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor
Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday
because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage
festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside,
festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more
(~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

Just putting this out there as we look into the future.

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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:43:05 2023
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:43:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.

I choose my limited race weekends in this order
- track distance from home (closer is best)
- event (historical event?, quality, organizer)
- combination (I?ll fly or drive for something special)

I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it?s stupid close for me and a great
track.

I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid Ohio because they are
sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractiveness.

I think Kastner Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to
try to demonstrate the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and
introduce Kastner Cup to new audiences.

And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.

So, I?d choose to do it in a semi regular pattern.
One year big stage.
One year medium/smaller stage.
That kind of mentality.

Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organizers respect that.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:48:57 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P8 John Frymark
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eb6ht=xpNPNAiGBrp7Y4LoV3TnTb5fudDkDpUA5HMV+iw@mail.gmail.com>

Below is a link to my coverage of P8 John Frymark during the Kastner Cup
2023 from my Facebook page, North American Triumphs

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02hvSGB4Ky9AJTod9xNYuTMNe6sLemiqya8QTic8bH758VGcm6SyqV6MwiKiXvqcc9l&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 11:01:39 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:01:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Henry,
I'm all for running Mosport again as a Cup Race. We traditionally have a
grid of MG vs Triumph plus we will get our own race grid. and we have the
typical run groups so lots of track time on a fast track.
It would be REALLY COOL to return to Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
(MOSPORT) on a 25th anniversary year. (that would be in 2028)
I believe Mosport was the "Official" 1st Kastner Cup race so returning
there in 2028 would be super cool as an Anniversary Race, (Lots of PR for
that)

Personally I like the smaller tracks that are better suited to our cars so
Club events are favoured at the "smaller" racetracks, Don't get me wrong,
Road America was fantastic! A top notch facility and very nice to run on
track.
but it wasn't the best value vs track time, value vs experience YES!  (I
had a fantastic time there with no regrets at all).

Is the VRG event at the Glen in September too late in the year? (big track
I know).

We will travel within reason to the Cup regardless, in the middle America
region and to the east coast regions. It is the pinnacle of my year to race
at the Kastner Cup.






On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Jul 26 11:20:49 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:20:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. 

We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are
trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would
prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more
intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! 

Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific
(bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I
would love to get back to Road Atlanta. 

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote: This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event
we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted

by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is

all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed Jul 26 11:27:38 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:27:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
 

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From fintouch at ptd.net  Wed Jul 26 11:30:37 2023
From: fintouch at ptd.net (Finishing Touch)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I?ll vote for maximum track time, and suggest Summit Point for a future event. 
Mike
Yellow #51 TR6

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:11 PM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing


From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 26 11:59:26 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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 My wife and I both feel that the smaller "club level" events are more fun to race at and typically give more of the vintage feel and companionship that we find so fun about racing vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blackhawk Kastner were really great, with good, vintage appropriate feel and plenty of track time. Portland was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more geared towards providing for the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sort-of an "also-ran". Track time was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or Eagles.?The RA event is a bit of an exception for us as we live here and the parade on Friday night is, quite frankly the "main event" of the race weekend. Having the Kastner Cup at this year's event was just icing on the cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limited, and even though group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very little time lost to yellows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules. I think the Can-Am race Sunday only had one green lap before things went pear shaped in 14. I suspect the Watkins Glen race and parade are a similar deal.?The costs are also another consideration, but not as big a one to my thinking, since none of us got into racing because it was inexpensive.?
Cheers!Jake and Karen Jacobsen
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:03:00 AM CDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>> During the Mitty.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jul 26 12:04:35 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:04:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 at Vintage Races @ Schenley Park
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Amici,

Here?s a brief summary of the weekend and some pics

Had a great time! The course was challenging with its 22 corners and crowning for drainage but lap after lap it became more comfortable. Times continued to drop each day. Sunday morning warm up was great until we blew the rear diff.  Somehow developed a leak and then blew a piece through the cover.  At least I drove it on to the trailer.  This too, is racing.    Was great to meet Tim Suddard and Mike Moore and his very fast TR4. Some other FoT?ers stopped by to say hi.  I?m sorry I don?t remember the names. 

We?ll get it fixed and get back out there soon!

Best
Todd
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Wed Jul 26 12:57:55 2023
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:57:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I am for club events

Thanks, Mike

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 12:31 PM
To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

Just putting this out there as we look into the future.

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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
>
> Ronnie
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com<mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>> During the Mitty.
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 13:08:19 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:08:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Club events!

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:04, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> Ronnie
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> Chuck
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Wed Jul 26 13:56:40 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:56:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Additional Photos from the Kastner Cup
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All-
 
In addition to all of the great photos that Shawn Frank has/is making available from the 2023 Kastner Cup, another photographer, Jessica Johnk, has made full resolution copies of all her Triumph shots from that weekend available to FOT.  The files can be accessed and dowloaded by using the link below. 
 
Regards,
 
Brian
 
 
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  Kastner Cup 2023 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jhcylfwkq38y8t6/AAA1Vw5w6R3CxGfdfk5F0yWNa?dl=0
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jul 26 14:20:57 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:20:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I?m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I like the idea of being on a bucket list track.  

Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great place but limited facilities for campers/hookups for rigs. I?ve done both the two day events there (lots of track time, like 3-4 sessions/day) and the Fall Festival - amazing sights/cars, but probably just two 20 minute sessions per day, and as Mike said, no racing on Sunday due to a longstanding agreement with the church across the road.


On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

Just putting this out there as we look into the future.

mike h

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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com <mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>> During the Mitty.
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Wed Jul 26 15:26:04 2023
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:26:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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 Although I'm no longer on track, I much preferred the smaller club events; they generally have more track time, better organization, lower entry fees, & more focus on racing & comradery.Some like all of the pomp & hype of the big events but it seems to detract from the aforementioned...Savannah.Sebring.Atlanta?????

Glen Efinger

    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:17:12 PM EDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>> During the Mitty.
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Wed Jul 26 16:45:26 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:45:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I love small club events. The friendly atmosphere, local flavor, and the seat time can?t be beat. 

love as central/south options:
Hallet
The new ECR
COTA would be awesome too. I?ve run there several times now and absolutely love this track. 

Greg


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:17, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> Ronnie
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> Chuck
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jul 26 16:47:41 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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I prefer club events (lower key, lower cost, more track time), but am OK 
with festival type ones if we get enough track time and the fees aren't 
through the roof.? It's helpful (especially for festival type events 
with lower track time) if there is an extra practice day ahead of time 
if I need to learn the track (like we did at Mid-Ohio and PVGP).? I'm 
not a huge fan of SVRA, but they have event dates out west that are 
favorable next year.

East coast-ish tracks I really like:

Road Atlanta

Mosport

VIR (but I do this one every year)

Lime Rock is one I've never been to and is very historic so that's in 
the running too.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 7/26/2023 12:20 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote:
> I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are 
> trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would 
> prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more 
> intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific 
> (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, 
> I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
> wrote:
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
> Atlanta during the Mitty.
>
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 26 18:12:27 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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COTA would be a great venue

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
> 
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From hpspitfire at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 18:16:24 2023
From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 20:16:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
of the triumph motors?  Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?

Can talk off line but trying to research.

From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Thu Jul 27 00:06:24 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 23:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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Great debate.  I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.  Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.  But the track time was extremely limited.  I think the KC race was only seven laps.
 
For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.  But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.  SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.  Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.
 
I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.  I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.  Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list. 
 
If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.  The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.  If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!
 
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> On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
>  
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
>  
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 27 04:20:02 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:20:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Hi Aaron,
I?ve watched Patten Machine develop a kit that uses the Stromburg and SU carbs as the throttle body, inserting in GM fuel injectors in place of the dampers, for quite some time. ?The components are from the GM narrow angle V6 TBI. ?Like, the 2.8l v6, with an aim at the TR6. ?Doesn?t improve performance really, but huge gains in economy they say. ? Never tried myself, but here is a link:
https://www.pattonmachine.com/
Hope that helps answer your question!
Dave Gott


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Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
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Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Jul 27 04:44:31 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:44:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours before or after,
So the locale matters as well.

Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?COTA would be a great venue
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Jul 27 05:12:10 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Further to my previous message, the link to the Lime Rock video is: https://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0

I did not get the title quite right. It?s worth spending the hour or so to watch. You?ll want to race there once you see it?

Phil

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott <Vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours before or after,
> So the locale matters as well.
> 
> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
> 
> Phil Gott
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?COTA would be a great venue
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>>> 
>>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>> 
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>> 
>>> Festival Events
>>> 
>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> Club Events
>>> 
>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>> 
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>> 
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Henry Frye
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>> 
>>>> Ronnie
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Jul 27 05:27:01 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:27:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Hi Aaron,

I am in the process of fuel injecting a TR-3 using Luminition throttle bodies that look
just like Weber carbs, and an MBE ECU.  Not a kit, though.? I am still finishing up
the last of the wiring, so I don't have any data yet.

John
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Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
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Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 27 05:40:08 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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 I can't give you any data on HP gains, but with proper engine management, you should be able to increase the efficiency of the engine. And if you care to play with the fuel maps, you can def. wring some HP out. The drawback is that if you try too hard, things go bad... fast.
There's no question that fuel injection is better. But it also flies in the face of "vintage", so it depends on what you're after. I'd say for a vintage racer - it's a non-starter. For anyone else looking for power, maybe and for anyone looking for efficiency, repeatability and dependability - fuel injection, electronic fuel injection, is a no brainer.
Carbs, on the other hand are simple, once you get past the notion that they are simple. And you just live with the compromises.
As far as kits go, there's a guy in ME Rick Patton that sells a setup using the stock Zenith Stromberg carb bodies and a re-mapped pre OBD computer. That setup has been installed in a lot of cars going back around 20 years. It's a pretty good system and can be made to look almost stock. There's another series of kits designed by Ramin Mirshab that uses port injection and a throttle body paired with a MicroSquirt 3 controller. This setup can be made to look very much like the TR6 PI setup with the intake air "log". rat-co.com has been listing this kit for 6-pot Triumphs as well as 4-pot TR's and Spitfires. The setup looks pretty good. I haven't seen any numbers on either setup, but they offer better efficiency and tuneability - especially the MicroSquirt controlled setup. With a laptop, a chassis dyno and some time and money, you should be able to squeeze some HP out of pretty much any setup.

Didn't answer your question, but there you are.
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 Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
of the triumph motors?? Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?

Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:16:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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Curt,
Thank you for the details about the 2024 K-Cup in Sonoma. We will be towing from Minnesota so storage of the car during the week between events and some planned activities during the week would be awesome. I am new to this game but am having a blast and looking forward to K-Cup 2024.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 04:57:01 AM CDT, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
   Great debate.? I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.? Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.? But the track time was extremely limited.? I think the KC race was only seven laps.   ?   For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.? But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.? SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.? Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.   ?   I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.? I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.? Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.?    ?   If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.? The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.? If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!   ?   Curt Johnston   curt.johnston at comcast.net   707-249-1667  
  On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?   I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.   ?   We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!   ?   Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.   ?   
   On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events. 
 
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows: 
 
Festival Events 
 
Typically higher entrance fees. 
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions. 
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule. 
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media. 
 
~ 
 
Club Events 
 
Typically lower entrance fees. 
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. 
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources. 
 
~ 
 
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. 
 
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? 
 
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well! 
 
Cheers 
 
Henry Frye 
 
 
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: 
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
> at Road Atlanta. 
> 
> Ronnie 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: 
>> 
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty? 
>> 
>> Chuck 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.   _______________________________________________ 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 07:21:29 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Anyone_racing_at_the_Ozark=E2=80=99s_track_in_Oc?=
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Sorry to hijack the thread but my phone does not seem to be able to send emails to the list, so I?ll ask it this way. 

There is a race at the new track in the Ozarks, October 13-15 I think. Tony attended last year. This event is on the weekend following our CVAR weekend at Hallett. It's another 5 hours tow for me but it would be worth it if a gaggle of Triumphs are coming from the other direction. Does anyone have this race on their calendar this year. Tony liked it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:08 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Club events!
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:04, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> Ronnie
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> Chuck
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 27 08:00:51 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:00:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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I don't have any empirical data on performance gains because the EFI system was installed for reliability and driveability rather than performance.  That said, I do feel like there is a significant power gain, but it may be the "placebo effect".  At any rate, I like the no choke starting and the pot on the dash lets me dile up the air/fuel ratio on the fly rather than having to change jetting when going to a different altitude.

Here is a link that shows what I did:  http://www.spitlist.info/EFI.htm

Joe C.

> On 07/26/2023 8:16 PM EDT Aaron Johnson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
> of the triumph motors?  Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?
> 
> Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 08:04:08 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:04:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Anyone_racing_at_the_Ozark=E2=80=99s_track_in_Oc?=
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We were there. It is an exceptional track with exceptional infrastructure.

It would be a great venue for a mid-west Kastner Cup, someday.

I am glad you brought this up.  

ARE recommends it.  Strongly.

Joe Alexander
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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 8:54 AM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Sorry to hijack the thread but my phone does not seem to be able to send emails to the list, so I?ll ask it this way. 
> 
> There is a race at the new track in the Ozarks, October 13-15 I think. Tony attended last year. This event is on the weekend following our CVAR weekend at Hallett. It's another 5 hours tow for me but it would be worth it if a gaggle of Triumphs are coming from the other direction. Does anyone have this race on their calendar this year. Tony liked it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:08 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Club events!
>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:04, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>> 
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>> 
>>> Festival Events
>>> 
>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> Club Events
>>> 
>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>>> 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>> 
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>> 
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Henry Frye
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>> Ronnie
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 08:09:00 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:09:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header question
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Hi folks, I've been looking over my setup (1296, billet crank, head work, 2
SUs etc) and I'm wondering about a header change. I currently have one of
the Stahl headers from Joe Siam but I was wondering if I'd gain some power
(high end) with a 2 into 1 style, taking advantage of the scavenging.  I
have one now in the parts bin, 1 5/8" diameter that I only need to weld a
bung on for the AFR probe. I've used it in the past with an engine (SCCA
legal) without this level of prep so I'm not sure it's up to the task.

My Stahl header needs the engine out (current condition) to be removed so
it seems like a good time to try it but I'd hate to take a step backwards
and have to pull the engine to put the Stahl back in.

Any thoughts on this?

thanks
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:41:07 -0600
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On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:

> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.

Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it. 
  Good stuff!


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mjb.


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 27 09:31:10 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Make that "Dial Up".  I don't want any more fluifs following me around!  ;)


> On 07/27/2023 10:00 AM EDT JOE CURRY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I don't have any empirical data on performance gains because the EFI system was installed for reliability and driveability rather than performance.  That said, I do feel like there is a significant power gain, but it may be the "placebo effect".  At any rate, I like the no choke starting and the pot on the dash lets me dile up the air/fuel ratio on the fly rather than having to change jetting when going to a different altitude.
> 
> Here is a link that shows what I did:  http://www.spitlist.info/EFI.htm
> 
> Joe C.
> 
> > On 07/26/2023 8:16 PM EDT Aaron Johnson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
> > of the triumph motors?  Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?
> > 
> > Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 09:37:24 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:37:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:01:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header question
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Mike,

Jon Wolfe in his Spitfire racing guide says: "UK aftermarket exhaust are
available...on the Spitfire they are of the 4 into 2 into 1 design which is
often considered best for tuned road use whereas the 4 into 1 configuration
is generally preferred for high revving race and rally cars...I have
experimented with both designs and the 4-2-1 does have a significant
mid-torque range advantage, whereas the 4-1 gives better top end power."

Nothing explicit in the Kastner material, but seems to imply 4-1, i.e. the
Chuck Gee collector pictured p.235.

Cheers, Dave





On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 11:38?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi folks, I've been looking over my setup (1296, billet crank, head work,
> 2 SUs etc) and I'm wondering about a header change. I currently have one of
> the Stahl headers from Joe Siam but I was wondering if I'd gain some power
> (high end) with a 2 into 1 style, taking advantage of the scavenging.  I
> have one now in the parts bin, 1 5/8" diameter that I only need to weld a
> bung on for the AFR probe. I've used it in the past with an engine (SCCA
> legal) without this level of prep so I'm not sure it's up to the task.
>
> My Stahl header needs the engine out (current condition) to be removed so
> it seems like a good time to try it but I'd hate to take a step backwards
> and have to pull the engine to put the Stahl back in.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> thanks
> mike h
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From ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com  Thu Jul 27 11:07:53 2023
From: ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.  

Ronnie

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
> 
>> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
> 
> Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it.  Good stuff!
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0
> 
> mjb.
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 27 12:16:52 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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On the Engine Masters show on Motor Trend tv, they have done a number of tests on V8 engines of carbs vs fuel injection. In most cases the carbs make more power or the same.  I think their tests with port injection showed some gain, though.  Not sure that big V8s with Holley carbs is all that directly comparable to our 4 or 6 cyl engines with sidedraft carbs?  

As someone noted in a response, there are many other factors to consider such as drivability, cold starting and tuning for conditions.
 
JoeB

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 5:30 AM, Aaron Johnson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
> of the triumph motors?  Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?
> 
> Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 27 12:20:59 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Anyone_racing_at_the_Ozark=E2=80=99s_track_in_Oc?=
 =?utf-8?q?tober?=
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I'm planning to be at Ozarks in October, race gods willing.? That track 
is a blast!

Regards, Tony Drews

On 7/27/2023 8:21 AM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
> Sorry to hijack the thread but my phone does not seem to be able to send emails to the list, so I?ll ask it this way.
>
> There is a race at the new track in the Ozarks, October 13-15 I think. Tony attended last year. This event is on the weekend following our CVAR weekend at Hallett. It's another 5 hours tow for me but it would be worth it if a gaggle of Triumphs are coming from the other direction. Does anyone have this race on their calendar this year. Tony liked it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:08 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Club events!
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:04, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>>
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>>
>>> Festival Events
>>>
>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>>>
>>> ~
>>>
>>> Club Events
>>>
>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>>>
>>> ~
>>>
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>>
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>>
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Henry Frye
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>> Ronnie
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 27 12:27:49 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:27:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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 Terry SVRA has pissed off more than a few vintage racers over the years.What started out as a fairly small group down here in Florida, the Southeast Vintage Racers Association, has evolved over the decades, gone through multiple owners & management, & now they're just like any other business trying to stay afloat & make $$.Also, like many other groups, they're accommodating more modern cars nowadays, which usually means more classes/groups/confusion, & less track time.Some folks like that festival atmosphere, but it seems like most here are more back-to-basics club-racers .
Glen Efinger

    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 01:38:21 PM EDT, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?

On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? 
 Great debate.? I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.? Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.? But the track time was extremely limited.? I think the KC race was only seven laps.   ?   For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.? But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.? SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.? Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.   ?   I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.? I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.? Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.?    ?   If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.? The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.? If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!   ?   Curt Johnston   curt.johnston at comcast.net   707-249-1667  
  On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?   I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.   ?   We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!   ?   Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.   ?   
   On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events. 
 
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows: 
 
Festival Events 
 
Typically higher entrance fees. 
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions. 
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule. 
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media. 
 
~ 
 
Club Events 
 
Typically lower entrance fees. 
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. 
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources. 
 
~ 
 
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. 
 
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? 
 
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well! 
 
Cheers 
 
Henry Frye 
 
 
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: 
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
> at Road Atlanta. 
> 
> Ronnie 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: 
>> 
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty? 
>> 
>> Chuck 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.   _______________________________________________ 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Jul 27 12:42:08 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:42:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 at Vintage Races @ Schenley Park
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Nice looking car. I like the black trim strip from front to back. Looks clean.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 7:19 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici,
> 
> Here?s a brief summary of the weekend and some pics
> 
> Had a great time! The course was challenging with its 22 corners and crowning for drainage but lap after lap it became more comfortable. Times continued to drop each day. Sunday morning warm up was great until we blew the rear diff.  Somehow developed a leak and then blew a piece through the cover.  At least I drove it on to the trailer.  This too, is racing.    Was great to meet Tim Suddard and Mike Moore and his very fast TR4. Some other FoT?ers stopped by to say hi.  I?m sorry I don?t remember the names. 
> 
> We?ll get it fixed and get back out there soon!
> 
> Best
> Todd
> <IMG_7060.jpg>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 12:47:39 2023
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
 Festival or club events?
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Yep, it?s a for profit business and current owner knows how to spend money to attract money

He had a lead guy who I knew well but has since passed away. We sat and talked at RRR one Feb and he told me they wouldn?t even talk to a potential sponsor for less than $50K

And that was before he bought F4, F3 and Trans Am

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On 7/27/23, 11:37 AM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?

On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Great debate. I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues. Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the track time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven laps.

For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend. Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.

I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.

If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!

Curt Johnston

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707-249-1667

On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.

We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!

Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)> wrote:

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we

racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options

are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many

aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of

event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check

out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our

cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the

fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are

as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.

Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a

wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility

of incidents, shortening sessions.

Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility

with the packed schedule.

Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from

a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.

More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run

group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't

usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted

by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.

Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good

exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the

biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated

track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is

all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer

friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the

success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and

very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer

future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run

at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:

> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very

> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran

> at Road Atlanta.

>

> Ronnie

>

>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com (mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com) wrote:

>>

>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?

>>

>> Chuck

>>

>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot

>>> <fot at autox.team.net (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)> wrote:

>>>

>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 12:53:01 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
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Henry
I understand and appreciate the goal here. I?m interested in knowing where future Kastner Cups will be held. For me, in the southern half of Texas, the distance to the events will continue to my challenge. 

I wasn?t actually suggesting the Ozark track for a K Cup. I?m just wondering if anyone is coming to that track this year!

Let me know if I can help in any way. the TxFOT group can always host another event at Hallett or Eagles Canyon if the desire was there.   Could even do COTA.


Bob

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?We were there. It is an exceptional track with exceptional infrastructure.
> 
> It would be a great venue for a mid-west Kastner Cup, someday.
> 
> I am glad you brought this up.  
> 
> ARE recommends it.  Strongly.
> 
> Joe Alexander
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> 
>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 8:54 AM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Sorry to hijack the thread but my phone does not seem to be able to send emails to the list, so I?ll ask it this way. 
>> 
>> There is a race at the new track in the Ozarks, October 13-15 I think. Tony attended last year. This event is on the weekend following our CVAR weekend at Hallett. It's another 5 hours tow for me but it would be worth it if a gaggle of Triumphs are coming from the other direction. Does anyone have this race on their calendar this year. Tony liked it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:08 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Club events!
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:04, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>>> 
>>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> Festival Events
>>>> 
>>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>>>> 
>>>> ~
>>>> 
>>>> Club Events
>>>> 
>>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>>>> 
>>>> ~
>>>> 
>>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>>> 
>>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>>> 
>>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Henry Frye
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>>> Ronnie
>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 12:58:20 2023
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:58:20 +0000
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Yes SVRA is all about the big money boys. However, The Mid-Ohio Kastner cup was a total train wreck for all parties involved due to the Covid lockdown. Things literally were changing on a daily basis. I will say that Tony Perella (sp?)  worked directly with me before, during and immediately after the event to try and make it work for us.  The track management itself I felt was a real PIA however.

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Thu Jul 27 13:21:08 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner
 Cups?Festival or club events?
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I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and cornering the market in vintage racing.  I would prefer to race the K Cup with a club owned and run by members.  Ken

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From: Terry Sopher via Fot
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 10:42 AM
To: Curt Johnston
Cc: yellow04 via Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?

FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?


On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
? 
Great debate.? I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.? Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.? But the track time was extremely limited.? I think the KC race was only seven laps. 
? 
For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.? But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.? SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.? Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. 
? 
I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.? I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.? Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.? 
? 
If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.? The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.? If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time! 
? 
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On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
? 
? 
I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. 
? 
We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! 
? 
Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta. 
? 

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events. 

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows: 

Festival Events 

Typically higher entrance fees. 
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions. 
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule. 
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media. 

~ 

Club Events 

Typically lower entrance fees. 
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. 
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources. 

~ 

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. 

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? 

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well! 

Cheers 

Henry Frye 


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: 
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
> at Road Atlanta. 
> 
> Ronnie 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: 
>> 
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty? 
>> 
>> Chuck 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty. 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 13:34:47 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Ronnie - Yes! Roebling Road is owned by the Buccaneer Region of the SCCA and was just repaved earlier this year.

Mike Jackson - Grand Potentate of VDCA & FOT member has multiple scheduled weekends at RR annually and can recommend what it would take to have a Kcup at this club track!

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 15:13, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.  
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
>> 
>> Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it.  Good stuff!
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0
>> 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Jul 27 15:09:04 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:09:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Typically I would chose a smaller club type event. But a big festival event every few years makes sense for exposure, something different, and for those that Might prefer a festival type event.
I never in a million years Would have thought that our most recent RA event would have provided the amount of racing action that we needed and thought that some may have been disappointed by ?lack of this or that? , too much ?pomp and circumstance? ?to busy?, ?too expensive?
All of which I get...but everything came together perfectly by and for our Group and it will go down in my book as perhaps the best racing event I have ever been involved in. The racing, the special non racing stuff really came together as something I feel blessed to have been a part of.
So, go figure.
To me, Here?s what is the most import thing...
Having a race chairman or small group of people that will bring a good Kastner Cup event to ANY given Track or event.
People can suggest this or that track, like or dislike this type of event, but the most important thing is the ACTION TAKEN to plan and execute the event.
The quality of the Kastner Cup starts with a dedicated race chair who is going to be doing everything on the behalf of the driver?s needs.
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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.  
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
>> 
>> Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it.  Good stuff!
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0
>> 
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu Jul 27 15:52:13 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:52:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Restored TR3 wanted
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Dear FOT,

I recently met a guy who is looking for a super clean, concours quality TR3 that is turn-key ready to enjoy. 

He?s eager to re-live his youth and ready to buy.  Please let me know if you have any leads and I?ll pass along the info 

~Steve Belfer


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 18:25:30 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid-Ohio
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Yes. I thought Tony Parella worked well with you. The biggest issue that I saw as with the Mid-Ohio Track Management.  I was hoping the culture had changed after 20 years, but it hadn?t.  Nightmare.

All things considered, we ended up looking very good as a group. In spite of the adverse circumstances.

I have reason to believe that SVRA will work very well with Curt Johnston at Sonoma in 2024. They want us there.   And other factors.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 7:12 PM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yes SVRA is all about the big money boys. However, The Mid-Ohio Kastner cup was a total train wreck for all parties involved due to the Covid lockdown. Things literally were changing on a daily basis. I will say that Tony Perella (sp?)  worked directly with me before, during and immediately after the event to try and make it work for us.  The track management itself I felt was a real PIA however.
> 
> Marty
> 
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 11:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups? Festival or club events?
>  
> FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 27 19:02:43 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:02:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner
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Like Midwestern Council,  for example?  :-)  Or VSCDA?

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Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?


I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and cornering the market in vintage racing.  I would prefer to race the K Cup with a club owned and run by members.  Ken



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Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?



FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?



On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Great debate.  I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.  Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.  But the track time was extremely limited.  I think the KC race was only seven laps.



For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.  But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes.  SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.  Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.



I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible.  I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed.  Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.



If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.  The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events.  If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!



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On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:





I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.



We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!



Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.





On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye


On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com<mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>
>> Chuck
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>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:47:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Yep, if you are looking for the club atmosphere Roebling Road Savannah could be the ticket.  Just 20 min. off I 95, endless level unpaved Bermuda grass paddock space with trees to shade, great camping, good motels/restaurants  within 20 min (be sure and visit Lovazellas pizza), nice restrooms/showers, power at many spots, newly paved track, good concessions, VDCA (if Mike is willing to take it on) with true vintage classes, good track time. Similar to Blackhawk in many ways, any time but June, July, August (it is the south and it's VERY HOT in the summer) Look it up on the web.

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Ronnie - Yes! Roebling Road is owned by the Buccaneer Region of the SCCA and was just repaved earlier this year.

Mike Jackson - Grand Potentate of VDCA & FOT member has multiple scheduled weekends at RR annually and can recommend what it would take to have a Kcup at this club track!

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 15:13, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.  
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>>> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
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Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup
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I?m with Chuck, let?s have it at the Mitty. Great idea, Chuck!
Don

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> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list. A new Spitfire owner from
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>> On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
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> I made it so.  Welcome, Cole!
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> Welcome Cole!
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>>  On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 4:34 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
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> I made it so.? Welcome, Cole!
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> ?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?.  ?Justin 
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> Cool!
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>> ?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?.  ?Justin 
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> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
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> That would be fun.
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> The Spitfire made 3 consecutive appearances in the ARRC, 1971-73. All DNF?
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> Would be fun to get it back there and see a checkered flag.
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
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> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
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> That would be great!
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>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 04:20, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
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> sort of depends upon whether the KCup must be at a huge public event.
> smaller organizations such as VDCA have much smaller events at some nice race tracks.
> VDCA is at Rd Atl in November and our event is normally under subscribed and we search for partner groups to help pay the bills.
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> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
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> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran at Road Atlanta. 
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:31:23 -0400
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
> as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
> a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
> exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>>> During the Mitty.
> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:15:13 -0400
> From: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> A vote for the "club" type events!
> 
> Although the spectator experience at the big time events can't be beat,
> being a driver at a big festival event doesn't do anything for me.  For my
> vintage racing approach, I prefer the low key events.
> 
> 
> Keep it simple, keep it fun, keep it accessible.
> 
> Jason Sukey
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:59?AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:18:02 +0000
> From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>, "fot at autox.team.net"
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> Club events for me.
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> From: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 7/26/23 12:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
> 
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>> During the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:30:39 -0700
> From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> HSR also has a Fall event the 3rd week of September.
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 9:03 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> Ronnie
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> Chuck
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:31:24 -0400
> From: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with
> the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after
> Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump
> one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute,
> Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission
> for friends and family.
> 
> Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor
> Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday
> because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage
> festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside,
> festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more
> (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.
> 
> Just putting this out there as we look into the future.
> 
> mike h
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> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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>> 
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> From: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.
> 
> I choose my limited race weekends in this order
> - track distance from home (closer is best)
> - event (historical event?, quality, organizer)
> - combination (I?ll fly or drive for something special)
> 
> I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it?s stupid close for me and a great
> track.
> 
> I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid Ohio because they are
> sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractiveness.
> 
> I think Kastner Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to
> try to demonstrate the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and
> introduce Kastner Cup to new audiences.
> 
> And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.
> 
> So, I?d choose to do it in a semi regular pattern.
> One year big stage.
> One year medium/smaller stage.
> That kind of mentality.
> 
> Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organizers respect that.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> From: Shawn Frank <continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Fot] P8 John Frymark
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> Below is a link to my coverage of P8 John Frymark during the Kastner Cup
> 2023 from my Facebook page, North American Triumphs
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> Shawn Frank
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> From: Michael Deweerd <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> Henry,
> I'm all for running Mosport again as a Cup Race. We traditionally have a
> grid of MG vs Triumph plus we will get our own race grid. and we have the
> typical run groups so lots of track time on a fast track.
> It would be REALLY COOL to return to Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
> (MOSPORT) on a 25th anniversary year. (that would be in 2028)
> I believe Mosport was the "Official" 1st Kastner Cup race so returning
> there in 2028 would be super cool as an Anniversary Race, (Lots of PR for
> that)
> 
> Personally I like the smaller tracks that are better suited to our cars so
> Club events are favoured at the "smaller" racetracks, Don't get me wrong,
> Road America was fantastic! A top notch facility and very nice to run on
> track.
> but it wasn't the best value vs track time, value vs experience YES!  (I
> had a fantastic time there with no regrets at all).
> 
> Is the VRG event at the Glen in September too late in the year? (big track
> I know).
> 
> We will travel within reason to the Cup regardless, in the middle America
> region and to the east coast regions. It is the pinnacle of my year to race
> at the Kastner Cup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner
>    Cups? Festival or club events?
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> I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. 
> 
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are
> trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would
> prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more
> intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! 
> 
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific
> (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I
> would love to get back to Road Atlanta. 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote: This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event
> we 
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
> as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
> a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> 
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
> exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> 
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>, "fot at autox.team.net"
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> Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
> 
> 
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> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
> 
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:30:37 -0400
> From: Finishing Touch <fintouch at ptd.net>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
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> I?ll vote for maximum track time, and suggest Summit Point for a future event. 
> Mike
> Yellow #51 TR6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:11 PM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing
> 
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen at yahoo.com>
> To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>,  yellow04
>    <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> My wife and I both feel that the smaller "club level" events are more fun to race at and typically give more of the vintage feel and companionship that we find so fun about racing vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blackhawk Kastner were really great, with good, vintage appropriate feel and plenty of track time. Portland was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more geared towards providing for the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sort-of an "also-ran". Track time was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or Eagles.?The RA event is a bit of an exception for us as we live here and the parade on Friday night is, quite frankly the "main event" of the race weekend. Having the Kastner Cup at this year's event was just icing on the cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limited, and even though group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very little time lost to yellows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules. I think the Can-Am race Sunday only had one g
> reen lap before things went pear shaped in 14. I suspect the Watkins Glen race and parade are a similar deal.?The costs are also another consideration, but not as big a one to my thinking, since none of us got into racing because it was inexpensive.?
> Cheers!Jake and Karen Jacobsen
>    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:03:00 AM CDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
> 
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
> as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
> a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
> exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>> 
>> Ronnie
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta 
>>>> During the Mitty.
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Thu Jul 27 22:38:01 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Poster for 2024 Sonoma Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <1148513150.508727.1690519081312@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello FOT,
 
Attached is the first draft of the poster for the 2024 Kastner Cup at Sonoma Raceway.  The dates are Thursday, April 25th (test day) through Sunday, April 28th.  For reasons I've driven about SVRA was the best organization to host this event.
 
The next week, May 2-5 SVRA will host a race at Laguna Seca.  So this is a chance to get in two races at fantastic tracks with one tow.  SVRA accomodates trailer storage between events as the tracks are only about two hours or so apart.  We can set up some group tours, restaurant stops, etc. in the wine country or Monterey for some nice socializing between races.
 
BTW, the photo in the poster is the grid from PittRace last year.  The last two Kastner Cup winners are in the shot.  Thanks to Steve Belfer for the poster template from Portland in 2021.  Steve also designed the current logo we've used since then.
 
Please let me know if you're interested in serving on the Kastner Cup Committee!
 
Curt Johnston
curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 06:07:50 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Interesting that I came across this website
Last night
I have no opinion on these but it is interesting
A fuel injection take looks like webers
I will put this in the Strange but true file
Here is the link (no personal financial interest)

https://store.jenvey.co.uk/heritage

Mike Deweerd




On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:26 PM Joe via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> On the Engine Masters show on Motor Trend tv, they have done a number of
> tests on V8 engines of carbs vs fuel injection. In most cases the carbs
> make more power or the same.  I think their tests with port injection
> showed some gain, though.  Not sure that big V8s with Holley carbs is all
> that directly comparable to our 4 or 6 cyl engines with sidedraft carbs?
>
> As someone noted in a response, there are many other factors to consider
> such as drivability, cold starting and tuning for conditions.
>
> JoeB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 27, 2023, at 5:30 AM, Aaron Johnson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
> > of the triumph motors?  Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?
> >
> > Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jul 28 06:33:50 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Mid-Ohio
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Too many bad stories about SVRA experiences on the east coast in the past few years, including Watkins glen and Virginia. I would not attend one of these.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2023, at 1:43 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes. I thought Tony Parella worked well with you. The biggest issue that I saw as with the Mid-Ohio Track Management.  I was hoping the culture had changed after 20 years, but it hadn?t.  Nightmare.
> 
> All things considered, we ended up looking very good as a group. In spite of the adverse circumstances.
> 
> I have reason to believe that SVRA will work very well with Curt Johnston at Sonoma in 2024. They want us there.   And other factors.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 7:12 PM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Yes SVRA is all about the big money boys. However, The Mid-Ohio Kastner cup was a total train wreck for all parties involved due to the Covid lockdown. Things literally were changing on a daily basis. I will say that Tony Perella (sp?)  worked directly with me before, during and immediately after the event to try and make it work for us.  The track management itself I felt was a real PIA however.
>> 
>> Marty
>> 
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry Sopher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 11:37 AM
>> To: Curt Johnston <curt.johnston at comcast.net>
>> Cc: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups? Festival or club events?
>>  
>> FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s?
>> 
>>> 
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From incidentalslip at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 28 07:11:41 2023
From: incidentalslip at yahoo.com (Jesse Darrow)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:11:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Additional Photos from the Kastner Cup
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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 07:14:51 2023
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:14:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
Message-ID: <CAC5qWeCJYqmX412iJ8UbJ0Ow+UCo4bV9c-Rkq-82bBt92pqfPQ@mail.gmail.com>

All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.
Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night,
thanks!

Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added events
in:

Heartland, KS
Coatsville, PA

If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!

Vintage Racing Map
<https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&usp=sharing>

Cheers,
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jul 28 08:14:23 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Those are very similar to the ones that I am using.? Mine were marketed by
Luminition, but they might well be the same ones.

John
?



On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:07:50 -0400, Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Interesting that I came across this website?

Last night?

I have no opinion on these but it is interesting?

A fuel injection take looks like webers?

I will put this in the Strange but true file?

Here is the link (no personal financial interest)?

?


https://store.jenvey.co.uk/heritage

?

Mike Deweerd?


?

?

?

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:26 PM Joe via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

On the Engine Masters show on Motor Trend tv, they have done a number of tests on V8 engines of carbs vs fuel injection. In most cases the carbs make more power or the same.? I think their tests with port injection showed some gain, though.? Not sure that big V8s with Holley carbs is all that directly comparable to our 4 or 6 cyl engines with sidedraft carbs??

As someone noted in a response, there are many other factors to consider such as drivability, cold starting and tuning for conditions.

JoeB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 5:30 AM, Aaron Johnson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone out there have data on throttle body fuel injection on any
> of the triumph motors?? Any Hp gains? Kits out there etc?
>
> Can talk off line but trying to research.
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 08:49:51 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 07:49:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece 
together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.

Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds, 
and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies based up 
the DCOE configuration.

When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or 
transformed into Borla Induction

https://www.borlainduction.com

Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI components.

TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who still 
offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.

https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm

So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies, 
position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together as a 
system.

itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four using 
TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The 
critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still being 
mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter (I have 
one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part number 
28-JC-50.

itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the minimum 
distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no negative 
affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing the 
inner diameter of the air horn by four.

I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel 
injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a computer to 
add the "E".

TeriAnn


From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 28 09:03:56 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:03:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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 RR is a great track, everything is low-key, good race atmosphere, about as basic as it gets.The course appears to be very simple & straightforward but in reality is very challenging & hard to put together, which isn't surprising since it was originally used for not just road racing but also as a driver-training course...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 03:04:36 AM EDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Yep, if you are looking for the club atmosphere Roebling Road Savannah could be the ticket.? Just 20 min. off I 95, endless level unpaved Bermuda grass paddock space with trees to shade, great camping, good motels/restaurants? within 20 min (be sure and visit Lovazellas pizza), nice restrooms/showers, power at many spots, newly paved track, good concessions, VDCA (if Mike is willing to take it on) with true vintage classes, good track time. Similar to Blackhawk in many ways, any time but June, July, August (it is the south and it's VERY HOT in the summer) Look it up on the web.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Terry Sopher via Fot
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 3:35 PM
To: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

Ronnie - Yes! Roebling Road is owned by the Buccaneer Region of the SCCA and was just repaved earlier this year.

Mike Jackson - Grand Potentate of VDCA & FOT member has multiple scheduled weekends at RR annually and can recommend what it would take to have a Kcup at this club track!

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 15:13, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.? 
> 
> Ronnie
> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is? a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.? Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues? it is a great place for a family vacation? They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
>> 
>> Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it.? Good stuff!
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0
>> 
>> mjb.
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 09:06:30 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P9 Cesar Granados
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eZnyePZZmBb4nveH2V2sHLfdwhiGgVdkwZRzebLzdv6VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a link to my Facebook page, North American Triumphs with my coverage
of Cesar Granados.

I've got to tell you all that Cesar epitomizes what Vintage racing is all
about. I saw him greet a couple spectators and even offered the seat of his
racecar in the paddock to inspire and welcome these people. He did all of
this, unaware that I was watching, so I made it a point to photograph the
event. I have added a couple of those photos to the paddock, pits, and
on-track photos in the stream.

His enthusiasm throughout the weekend was infectious. Thanks Cesar!!!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0wjVdPKVDqwFnRxvySzACr3TFj8yZDQU5QmUs5pNr6K8NG1s9o5Tc9zgnhMZmumGFl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

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From mceldowneyandsons at msn.com  Fri Jul 28 10:36:47 2023
From: mceldowneyandsons at msn.com (Brian McEldowney)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:36:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] P9 Cesar Granados
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I saw him in action?..
such a gentleman
Way to go Cesar!
He can cook too?

Brian McEldowney

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Here's a link to my Facebook page, North American Triumphs with my coverage of Cesar Granados.

I've got to tell you all that Cesar epitomizes what Vintage racing is all about. I saw him greet a couple spectators and even offered the seat of his racecar in the paddock to inspire and welcome these people. He did all of this, unaware that I was watching, so I made it a point to photograph the event. I have added a couple of those photos to the paddock, pits, and on-track photos in the stream.

His enthusiasm throughout the weekend was infectious. Thanks Cesar!!!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0wjVdPKVDqwFnRxvySzACr3TFj8yZDQU5QmUs5pNr6K8NG1s9o5Tc9zgnhMZmumGFl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
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Iowa British Car Club
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 11:22:15 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Hi TeriAnn,

That's great info, very extensive.  Months ago I asked ITG UK if they had
one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").  They said that they had no stock
(last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be bespoke and cost 71 UK pounds
plus carriage, etc. Needless to say I declined.

All the best

jim

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece
> together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.
>
> Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds,
> and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies based up
> the DCOE configuration.
>
> When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
> transformed into Borla Induction
>
> https://www.borlainduction.com
>
> Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI components.
>
> TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who still
> offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.
>
>
> https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm
>
> So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies,
> position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together as a
> system.
>
> itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four using
> TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
> critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still being
> mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter (I have
> one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part number
> 28-JC-50.
>
> itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the minimum
> distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no negative
> affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing the
> inner diameter of the air horn by four.
>
> I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel
> injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a computer to
> add the "E".
>
> TeriAnn
>
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Jul 28 11:34:20 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:34:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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Another interesting fact is that it was built at no charge by the contractor who was working on the adjacent highway in exchange for the owner allowing the contractor to store his equipment on the site.  It is named after a son of the engineer who built the Brooklyn Bridge who was a racing buff.  The eventual owner was also into racing and basically gave the track to the SCCA region.  I can remember back in the 70?s having to stop racing my bike while the owner landed his twin engine plane on the front straight.

From: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 11:04 AM
To: Terry Sopher <terrysopher at gmail.com>; Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com>; John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

RR is a great track, everything is low-key, good race atmosphere, about as basic as it gets.
The course appears to be very simple & straightforward but in reality is very challenging & hard to put together, which isn't surprising since it was originally used for not just road racing but also as a driver-training course...

Glen Efinger

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 03:04:36 AM EDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Yep, if you are looking for the club atmosphere Roebling Road Savannah could be the ticket.  Just 20 min. off I 95, endless level unpaved Bermuda grass paddock space with trees to shade, great camping, good motels/restaurants  within 20 min (be sure and visit Lovazellas pizza), nice restrooms/showers, power at many spots, newly paved track, good concessions, VDCA (if Mike is willing to take it on) with true vintage classes, good track time. Similar to Blackhawk in many ways, any time but June, July, August (it is the south and it's VERY HOT in the summer) Look it up on the web.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Terry Sopher via Fot
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 3:35 PM
To: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com<mailto:ronnie.babbitt at icloud.com>>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

Ronnie - Yes! Roebling Road is owned by the Buccaneer Region of the SCCA and was just repaved earlier this year.

Mike Jackson - Grand Potentate of VDCA & FOT member has multiple scheduled weekends at RR annually and can recommend what it would take to have a Kcup at this club track!

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 15:13, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
> ?You know that Roebling Rd in Savannah is a private track that you can rent fairly cheaply.
>
> Ronnie
>
>>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?On 7/27/23 4:44 AM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see ?The Secret Valley of Motor Racing? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.
>>
>> Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it.  Good stuff!
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0
>>
>> mjb.
>>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 28 12:01:44 2023
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:01:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
Message-ID: <9dc779ed-3e9b-b427-c637-3eb6caba8ed6@earthlink.net>

The map is very cool!  I had not looked at it before

The lovely dot in South Florida however appears to be my house ?
While it is Intergalactic HQ for VDCA, there is no race track.
See www,vintagedrive.com for tracks we do sanction races.

Mike Jackson - TR3, same one I went to drivers school in 37 yrs ago
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From: David Cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>
Sent: Jul 28, 2023 10:25 AM
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated

All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.   Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night, thanks! 
Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added events in:
 
Heartland, KS
Coatsville, PA
 
If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!
 
Vintage Racing Map (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&amp;usp=sharing)
 
Cheers,
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 12:42:15 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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On 7/28/23 10:22 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> Hi TeriAnn,
>
> That's great info, very extensive.? Months ago I asked ITG UK if they 
> had one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").? They said that they had no 
> stock (last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be bespoke and cost 71 
> UK pounds plus carriage, etc. Needless to say I declined.

I bet they have the pattern on file. It is just a sheet of aluminum with 
holes drilled in it. They should be able to make them up on demand 
cheaper than that. But maybe they have a min. price for specials.

At worst someone could just trace their back plate and hand it to 
someone who has the special tools to cut one or more out.

TeriAnn



> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot 
> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece
>     together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.
>
>     Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds,
>     and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies
>     based up
>     the DCOE configuration.
>
>     When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
>     transformed into Borla Induction
>
>     https://www.borlainduction.com
>
>     Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI
>     components.
>
>     TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who
>     still
>     offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.
>
>     https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm
>
>     So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies,
>     position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together
>     as a
>     system.
>
>     itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four
>     using
>     TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
>     critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still
>     being
>     mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter
>     (I have
>     one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part
>     number
>     28-JC-50.
>
>     itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the
>     minimum
>     distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no
>     negative
>     affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing
>     the
>     inner diameter of the air horn by four.
>
>     I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel
>     injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a
>     computer to
>     add the "E".
>
>     TeriAnn
>
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 13:48:36 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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After they said that they had no stock and were out of production, I asked
if they'd send a copy of the engineering drawing.  Um, no, it was only on
paper.  And apparently no one there oowns a cell phone with camera.  :-p

Are you offering to trace your backplate?  :-)

jim

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 2:39?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 7/28/23 10:22 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>
> Hi TeriAnn,
>
> That's great info, very extensive.  Months ago I asked ITG UK if they had
> one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").  They said that they had no stock
> (last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be bespoke and cost 71 UK pounds
> plus carriage, etc. Needless to say I declined.
>
> I bet they have the pattern on file. It is just a sheet of  aluminum with
> holes drilled in it. They should be able to make them up on demand cheaper
> than that. But maybe they have a min. price for specials.
>
> At worst someone could just trace their back plate and hand it to someone
> who has the special tools to cut one or more out.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece
>> together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.
>>
>> Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds,
>> and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies based up
>> the DCOE configuration.
>>
>> When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
>> transformed into Borla Induction
>>
>> https://www.borlainduction.com
>>
>> Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI
>> components.
>>
>> TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who still
>> offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.
>>
>>
>> https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm
>>
>> So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies,
>> position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together as a
>> system.
>>
>> itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four using
>> TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
>> critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still being
>> mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter (I have
>> one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part number
>> 28-JC-50.
>>
>> itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the minimum
>> distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no negative
>> affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing the
>> inner diameter of the air horn by four.
>>
>> I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel
>> injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a computer to
>> add the "E".
>>
>> TeriAnn
>
>
>

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jul 28 13:49:38 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:49:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Hi Jim,

It can't have been 14 years since they last sold one, because I bought one from
them about a year and a half ago.?

John
?



On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:22:15 -0400, "J.C. Hassall via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Hi TeriAnn,
?

That's great info, very extensive.? Months ago I asked ITG UK if they had one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").? They said that they had no stock (last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be bespoke and cost 71 UK pounds plus carriage, etc. Needless to say I declined.

?

All the best?

?

jim

?


On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece
together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.

Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds,
and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies based up
the DCOE configuration.

When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
transformed into Borla Induction

https://www.borlainduction.com

Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI components.

TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who still
offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.

https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm

So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies,
position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together as a
system.

itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four using
TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still being
mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter (I have
one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part number
28-JC-50.

itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the minimum
distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no negative
affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing the
inner diameter of the air horn by four.

I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel
injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a computer to
add the "E".

TeriAnn

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From jhassall at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 14:25:01 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:25:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
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Hi John, 

Good info, tnx. I?ll? hassall ? them again. 

Fingers crossed

jim

?
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Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7

> On Jul 28, 2023, at 3:49 PM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Jim,
> 
> It can't have been 14 years since they last sold one, because I bought one from
> them about a year and a half ago. 
> 
> John  
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:22:15 -0400, "J.C. Hassall via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Hi TeriAnn,
>  
> That's great info, very extensive.  Months ago I asked ITG UK if they had one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").  They said that they had no stock (last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be bespoke and cost 71 UK pounds plus carriage, etc. Needless to say I declined.
>  
> All the best 
>  
> jim
>  
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to piece
>> together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.
>> 
>> Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake manifolds,
>> and major EFI conversion components, including throttle bodies based up
>> the DCOE configuration.
>> 
>> When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
>> transformed into Borla Induction
>> 
>> https://www.borlainduction.com
>> 
>> Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major EFI components.
>> 
>> TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds, who still
>> offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.
>> 
>> https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm
>> 
>> So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle bodies,
>> position sensors & such, all originally designed to work together as a
>> system.
>> 
>> itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR four using
>> TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
>> critical component is the back plate which I don't think is still being
>> mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air filter (I have
>> one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate part number
>> 28-JC-50.
>> 
>> itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates the minimum
>> distance between the horn opening and the facing element for no negative
>> affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by dividing the
>> inner diameter of the air horn by four.
>> 
>> I think this is probably enough to piece together a mechanical fuel
>> injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a computer to
>> add the "E".
>> 
>> TeriAnn
>> 
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From philhyer at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:07:16 2023
From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
In-Reply-To: <9dc779ed-3e9b-b427-c637-3eb6caba8ed6@earthlink.net>
References: <9dc779ed-3e9b-b427-c637-3eb6caba8ed6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CABLtXDh2y1497Ss8xqrpjbdNi-Uye3yinSXQZCGT42eqKg5S-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'll bet that one was PBIR ... RIP!

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 5:15 PM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The map is very cool!  I had not looked at it before
>
>
>
> The lovely dot in South Florida however appears to be my house ?
>
> While it is Intergalactic HQ for VDCA, there is no race track.
>
> See www,vintagedrive.com for tracks we do sanction races.
>
>
>
> Mike Jackson - TR3, same one I went to drivers school in 37 yrs ago
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>
> Sent: Jul 28, 2023 10:25 AM
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
>
>
> All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.
> Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night,
> thanks!
>
> Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added
> events in:
>
> Heartland, KS
> Coatsville, PA
>
> If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!
>
> Vintage Racing Map
> <https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&usp=sharing>
>
> Cheers,
> Dave and Shelby
>
>
>
>
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 17:46:32 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:46:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
In-Reply-To: <b15ab5f1-cfa0-c4e0-fc51-6f2605a0bc0c@gmail.com>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 18:13:29 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:13:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel injection
In-Reply-To: <CAO=iLWaPoWQV2YH-RorjUz8UO4hLAfc84nJhRuA+iekYJp6b9A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/28/23 12:48 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
> After they said that they had no stock and were out of production, I 
> asked if they'd send a copy of the engineering drawing.? Um, no, it 
> was only on paper.? And apparently no one there oowns a cell phone 
> with camera.? :-p
>
> Are you offering to trace your backplate?? :-)

Only as a last possibility. I'm working on 3 projects that are taking 
all my time & energy. If you have a way to get them produced in hand & 
no other source for a pattern, I can remove mine, go out & buy a big 
sheet of paper, trace it then mail you the tracing. I expect to have 
more time in a couple months.

TeriAnn

>
> jim
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 2:39?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman 
> <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     On 7/28/23 10:22 AM, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>>     Hi TeriAnn,
>>
>>     That's great info, very extensive.? Months ago I asked ITG UK if
>>     they had one in stock (NLA in the "colonies").? They said that
>>     they had no stock (last sale was 14 years ago), so it would be
>>     bespoke and cost 71 UK pounds plus carriage, etc. Needless to say
>>     I declined.
>
>     I bet they have the pattern on file. It is just a sheet of?
>     aluminum with holes drilled in it. They should be able to make
>     them up on demand cheaper than that. But maybe they have a min.
>     price for specials.
>
>     At worst someone could just trace their back plate and hand it to
>     someone who has the special tools to cut one or more out.
>
>     TeriAnn
>
>
>
>>     On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:39?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
>>     <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>         Here are a couple of possible resources for people trying to
>>         piece
>>         together an EFI system with a focus for TR3-4A engines.
>>
>>         Before TWM went out of business they offered DCOEs, intake
>>         manifolds,
>>         and major EFI conversion components, including throttle
>>         bodies based up
>>         the DCOE configuration.
>>
>>         When TWM went out of business they sold their EFI business or
>>         transformed into Borla Induction
>>
>>         https://www.borlainduction.com
>>
>>         Who produces the DCOE based throttle bodies and other major
>>         EFI components.
>>
>>         TWM sold their intake manifold business to Pierce Manifolds,
>>         who still
>>         offers the TWM DCOE conversion kit for the TR four.
>>
>>         https://www.piercemanifolds.com/TRIUMPH_TR3_TR4_HIGH_PORT_WEBER_40_DCOE_p/k131.htm
>>
>>         So you can still get the manifolds, linkage, EFI throttle
>>         bodies,
>>         position sensors & such, all originally designed to work
>>         together as a
>>         system.
>>
>>         itg makes an air filter with holes properly spaced for the TR
>>         four using
>>         TWM/Pierce manifolds and DCOEs or TWM/Borla throttle bodies. The
>>         critical component is the back plate which I don't think is
>>         still being
>>         mentioned in their web site. If you want to use a itg air
>>         filter (I have
>>         one on my TR3 with TWM manifolds & DCOEs) ask for back plate
>>         part number
>>         28-JC-50.
>>
>>         itg has a formula (for their filters only) that calculates
>>         the minimum
>>         distance between the horn opening and the facing element for
>>         no negative
>>         affect in air flow. The minimum distance is calculated by
>>         dividing the
>>         inner diameter of the air horn by four.
>>
>>         I think this is probably enough to piece together a
>>         mechanical fuel
>>         injection system & put an air filter on it. No idea about a
>>         computer to
>>         add the "E".
>>
>>         TeriAnn
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> jim W4BEA


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 05:59:26 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 06:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P11 Curt Johnston
Message-ID: <CAJRV2ebNJs3SS0vE6xsLmrcibdNPP5sCkooR62qhJB4Vn8V4Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Below is a link to my coverage of P11 Curt Johnston during the Kastner Cup
2023, from my Facebook page North American Triumphs.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid022ykhKBpS7yPwUstSpD7H2GNzgMHPf4rcrNkGdSuCU4Lp1xdZLoBnXk64Nb2JAVt4l&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 06:11:15 2023
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 08:11:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New member
Message-ID: <CAGctxs4vraTw4Bn0h7iTv-m-=mwGjZTzeuK+m9CpLBMASgZf6g@mail.gmail.com>

Bryan Deane has just purchased a '64 Spitfire and plans on racing it next
year. He purchased it from Pete Passon. Please add him to the FOT list.

Regards,
Doug Mitchell
dbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jul 29 06:33:10 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 14:33:10 +0200
Subject: [Fot] P11 Curt Johnston
In-Reply-To: <CAJRV2ebNJs3SS0vE6xsLmrcibdNPP5sCkooR62qhJB4Vn8V4Ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJRV2ebNJs3SS0vE6xsLmrcibdNPP5sCkooR62qhJB4Vn8V4Ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301d9c218$d61786d0$82469470$@gmail.com>

Curt is really a great guy and nice to have around in the paddock.

A real gentleman.

 

Chris

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Shawn Frank via Fot
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 1:59 PM
To: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] P11 Curt Johnston

 

Below is a link to my coverage of P11 Curt Johnston during the Kastner Cup 2023, from my Facebook page North American Triumphs. 

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid022ykhKBpS7yPwUstSpD7H2GNzgMHPf4rcrNkGdSuCU4Lp1xdZLoBnXk64Nb2JAVt4l <https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid022ykhKBpS7yPwUstSpD7H2GNzgMHPf4rcrNkGdSuCU4Lp1xdZLoBnXk64Nb2JAVt4l&id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz> &id=100063520364860&mibextid=Nif5oz

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 29 11:42:21 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 11:42:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New member
In-Reply-To: <CAGctxs4vraTw4Bn0h7iTv-m-=mwGjZTzeuK+m9CpLBMASgZf6g@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay, Bryan is on the list, welcome aboard!

mjb.



From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Sat Jul 29 13:29:36 2023
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:29:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] P11 Curt Johnston
Message-ID: <2D95811D-0B93-4CF3-AA91-45FF8AE5BF2E@comcast.net>

Thanks Chris!  Hoping we see you at the next Kastner Cup in Sonoma.

Sent by Curt Johnston from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:01 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From Dave at microworks.net  Sun Jul 30 12:20:48 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 11:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Off in the Kink
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EC790E18D@mainserver>

First time to Road America and the whole week I never put a wheel off track in the grass until Lap 1 of the Katsner Cup Race during the WeatherTech International with Brian Redmond. Of course that off had to be in The Kink. LOL.

Slight lift off the throttle (slowed from 86 mph to 77 mph) and gently straightening the wheel allowing the Track to come back to me rather than try to force the issue.

Just like when we teach Kids during a B.R.A.K.E.S. with Doug Herbert Class. Don't jerk the wheel to try and get the car back on the Road or jump on the brakes. Instead give a lift off the throttle to allow the car to slow a bit and bring the car back on the road in a smooth and controlled fashion.

Would love to see if Karen Jacobsen has video since she was behind me in her TR6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA58Rfc32SI


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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jul 30 16:51:20 2023
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 18:51:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
In-Reply-To: <CAC5qWeCJYqmX412iJ8UbJ0Ow+UCo4bV9c-Rkq-82bBt92pqfPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <01b401d9c338$5c29f9e0$147deda0$@twcny.rr.com>

Might want to add:

Shannonville in Belleville, Ontario, a stone?s throw off the 401, is a VARAC event and one many of us in the NE used to attend. It now hosts a VARAC regional event. It was the former home of the Vintage racing festival before that moved to Mosport (ehh!) Totally flat. 

 

Russ Moore

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Cutter via Fot
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 9:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated

 

All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.   

Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night, thanks!

 

Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added events in:

 

Heartland, KS

Coatsville, PA

 

If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!

 

Vintage Racing Map <https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&usp=sharing> 

 

Cheers,

Dave and Shelby

 

 

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From mceldowneyandsons at msn.com  Sun Jul 30 17:38:02 2023
From: mceldowneyandsons at msn.com (Brian McEldowney)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 23:38:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated
In-Reply-To: <01b401d9c338$5c29f9e0$147deda0$@twcny.rr.com>
References: <CAC5qWeCJYqmX412iJ8UbJ0Ow+UCo4bV9c-Rkq-82bBt92pqfPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Rumor has it they are reinventing the Lake Garnett
Kansas Vintage Races on the track used in the
SCCA races 1959 thru 1972??a regular stop for
the Cobra and Corvette factory teams.
In a YouTube video you can see TR 3?s racing on
the circuit back in the day??
1972 races drew 60,000 spectators.
Food for thought for you heartland racers?.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Russ Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Might want to add:
Shannonville in Belleville, Ontario, a stone?s throw off the 401, is a VARAC event and one many of us in the NE used to attend. It now hosts a VARAC regional event. It was the former home of the Vintage racing festival before that moved to Mosport (ehh!) Totally flat.

Russ Moore

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Cutter via Fot
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 9:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated

All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.
Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night, thanks!

Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added events in:

Heartland, KS
Coatsville, PA

If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!

Vintage Racing Map<https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&usp=sharing>

Cheers,
Dave and Shelby


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From Dave at microworks.net  Sun Jul 30 19:20:45 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 18:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-MED:  Re:  Vintage Racing Map - updated
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Need to add Podium Club at Attessa to that Map.  This is the newest Track in our Metro area. It opened last year.

The address is: 6870 S Bianco Rd, Casa Grande, AZ 85193

https://www.podiumclub.com/

VARA was there earlier this year in Feburary

https://www.vararacing.com/k-n-vara-oktoberfest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUwWXImo6L0

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Dave Riddle
dave at microworks.net
602.692.5276

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore via Fot
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 3:51 PM
To: 'David Cutter'; 'Amici Triumphi'
Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated

Might want to add:
Shannonville in Belleville, Ontario, a stone?s throw off the 401, is a VARAC event and one many of us in the NE used to attend. It now hosts a VARAC regional event. It was the former home of the Vintage racing festival before that moved to Mosport (ehh!) Totally flat.

Russ Moore

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of David Cutter via Fot
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 9:15 AM
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Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Map - updated

All this talk of race venues sure is exciting.
Phil, Shelby and I enjoyed watching the Lime Rock documentary last night, thanks!

Motivated us to update the shared Vintage Racing Google Map.   Added events in:

Heartland, KS
Coatsville, PA

If there are other venues not depicted, let us know!

Vintage Racing Map<https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1vwMVKme7CP38Lw-1MOhdHtvpBMTSCdL-&usp=sharing>

Cheers,
Dave and Shelby


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 04:46:31 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 05:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] P12 Bill Hart
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Below is a link to my coverage of P12 Bill Hart from my Facebook page North
American Triumphs.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02S93EgULYkPKbMKxjihv8YjKwF9bZV114yw2UVer8Ewm1eRdn6JoqZrhy8qFs7SMxl&id=100063520364860&mibextid=ZbWKwL

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 31 05:34:05 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 11:34:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] O/D Gearbox
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FoT,After the post-race work on the TR3, I found that the A type O/D gearbox has a rather significant crack in the case near the bell housing. It's been welded before, so additional welding is not looking promising. Like most A type units, it leaks like a sieve and this one seems to only intermittently engage. Therefore, I'm considering going to a 5-speed set up. Any experience with either the HVDA (Toyota based) or the Vitesse (Miata based) units? I'm a fan of originality, but I'm also tired of fighting the fun of O/D units and the fact that getting one properly rebuilt in the US seems to be very difficult.
Thanks!
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 05:53:18 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 07:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] O/D Gearbox
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JS performance!

> On Jul 31, 2023, at 07:38, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FoT,
> After the post-race work on the TR3, I found that the A type O/D gearbox has a rather significant crack in the case near the bell housing. It's been welded before, so additional welding is not looking promising. Like most A type units, it leaks like a sieve and this one seems to only intermittently engage. Therefore, I'm considering going to a 5-speed set up. Any experience with either the HVDA (Toyota based) or the Vitesse (Miata based) units? I'm a fan of originality, but I'm also tired of fighting the fun of O/D units and the fact that getting one properly rebuilt in the US seems to be very difficult.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jake Jacobsen
> <0730231557.jpg>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jul 31 06:10:37 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:10:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] O/D Gearbox
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Erik;
I?m using the HVDA conversion to the Aisin W-58 5-speed. The first four gears are almost identical to the TR gearbox. 5th is very deep. The W-58 shifts smoothly and there is little chance of selecting the wrong gear as long as you have a gentle touch on the shifter. Mine was rebuilt before I installed it, yet the third gear synchro is a little weak. Using Redline  MT 90.
I have been told that there are upgrades for both the synchros and fifth gear, but so far I know nothing about them or where to source them.
The clutch disc that comes with the kit is a bit weak for an uprated engine. Updated competition clutches are available from both Spec and California Clutch.
Installation of the kit is straightforward and relatively simple.
Regards,
Phil 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FoT,
> After the post-race work on the TR3, I found that the A type O/D gearbox has a rather significant crack in the case near the bell housing. It's been welded before, so additional welding is not looking promising. Like most A type units, it leaks like a sieve and this one seems to only intermittently engage. Therefore, I'm considering going to a 5-speed set up. Any experience with either the HVDA (Toyota based) or the Vitesse (Miata based) units? I'm a fan of originality, but I'm also tired of fighting the fun of O/D units and the fact that getting one properly rebuilt in the US seems to be very difficult.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jake Jacobsen
> <0730231557.jpg>
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 07:04:20 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:04:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] O/D Gearbox
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Build it up in the newest tr6 case you can find.  That?s exactly why they updated the case over the years.

Chuck

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> On Jul 31, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FoT,
> After the post-race work on the TR3, I found that the A type O/D gearbox has a rather significant crack in the case near the bell housing. It's been welded before, so additional welding is not looking promising. Like most A type units, it leaks like a sieve and this one seems to only intermittently engage. Therefore, I'm considering going to a 5-speed set up. Any experience with either the HVDA (Toyota based) or the Vitesse (Miata based) units? I'm a fan of originality, but I'm also tired of fighting the fun of O/D units and the fact that getting one properly rebuilt in the US seems to be very difficult.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jake Jacobsen
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From alanb at alanberrydesign.com  Mon Jul 31 07:09:51 2023
From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 06:09:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jul 31 08:15:45 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] O/D Gearbox
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Yes on what Chuck said.  That is the common failure of the earlier non-syncro first gear transmissions.  Especially for racing, the later case is a must have.  But you would still have the o.d. issues.  
Dave H.
p.s. if you have leaks, as a last resort, try to catch them with absorbent material and not drip freely to the pavement and race track.  

> On 07/31/2023 4:34 AM PDT Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> FoT,
> After the post-race work on the TR3, I found that the A type O/D gearbox has a rather significant crack in the case near the bell housing. It's been welded before, so additional welding is not looking promising. Like most A type units, it leaks like a sieve and this one seems to only intermittently engage. Therefore, I'm considering going to a 5-speed set up. Any experience with either the HVDA (Toyota based) or the Vitesse (Miata based) units? I'm a fan of originality, but I'm also tired of fighting the fun of O/D units and the fact that getting one properly rebuilt in the US seems to be very difficult.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Jake Jacobsen
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 11:22:23 2023
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:22:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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I like the club racing and VIR or Road Alanta sound good to me?.also on the east coast

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:31 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I love small club events. The friendly atmosphere, local flavor, and the seat time can?t be beat. 
> 
> love as central/south options:
> Hallet
> The new ECR
> COTA would be awesome too. I?ve run there several times now and absolutely love this track. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:17, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> Ronnie
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> Chuck
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty.
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